[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Classic - Saving Issues
Hi Christoph, > But a few days ago, I encountered saving problems in my wiki, all of a > sudden. Saving always worked so far, and I have the TiddlySaver.jar file in > the folder, to enable saving via Safari and Chrome, both which I use > (mostly Safari). The problems occured out of the blue: I was working on my > wiki offline, while on the train to work. It saved normally first. > So, you haven't updated Java that time, right? Were you working with TW only, or did some other activities? Were you online? What's the size of your biggest tiddler (number of symbols)? > But when I tried to save a second time after doing some more changes, > nothing worked anymore with the saving feature. Since then, I tried > everything there is to fix the problem. Here are a few information about my > TiddlyWiki configuration and what I tried so far: > > My TiddlyWiki: > - I don't know the exact version I use (is there a way to check?), but I > know I haven't used the upgrade feature ever while working with it. Still > never had problems though. > use the <> macro to find out > - I use a german translation plugin, created at some point back then. > - I have many Tiddlers using german umlauts (ä., ö, ü, ß). More on that > later. > - I use the HaemoglobinTheme and have it tweaked a little, in terms of > colours and a custom sidebar > these things shouldn't matter, I think > - I have the following Plugins installed: AttachFile, AttachFileFormat, > MapPlugin, CheckboxPlugin, PlayerPlugin, Slideshow, TableOfContents, > sortableTable. I downloaded them all from the TiddlyTools.com website back > then (must have been years ago). > what's the size of your TW? of the largest attachment? AttachFile seems to be most suspicious, in terms of saving problems, in your assembly. > - At least three of them (CheckboxPlugin, sortableTable and > TableOfContents I find pretty much essential for my wiki work) > - I have many pictures in my wiki and keep them stored in an "images" > folder in the same folder as my wiki > - I always made use of the backup option, so I had various .html versions > of my wiki stored. I deleted them regularly. > just in case, check your backup folder > - My starting page uses a html div-script. but only this one. > this is not quite clear, could you provide more details? > - I used Dropbox to keep my wiki synchronized on two machines, but I keep > Dropbox offline recently, due to space reasons > but your TWs are still in Dropbox folder? If so, try another one (may be Dropbox prevents the folder to grow even without syncing) > - So, I work on my wiki on two computers, bot MacBooks with Safari 5.1.10 > and OS X Snow Leopard (10.6.8) > > I don't know much about OS X, so you'd better ask somebody if, say, Java can be updated without you knowing it in this OS. > What I've tried so far: > - I've tried jumping on the TW5 train... TW5 managed to import the > tiddlers I've created over the years, but as none of my plugins work with > this version and I don't think there are replacements yet, I'll refrain > from using it. I realized that I find the new saving system weird as well, > with the wiki downloading a new copy everytime you save, which you have to > relocate to your folder. It's cumbersome. > - I've tried to exchange the TiddlySaver file for a newer one. No change. > - I've tried to migrate my wiki files to the newest available TiddlyWiki > Classic version. That didn't work at all. No matter what I do, the empty > wiki just doesn't import my tiddlers, always with the same error: "Error > retrieving tiddlers from local file, please make sure the file is in the > same directory as your TiddlyWiki." And what can I say, it is. > - I've tried this in all browsers inmagineable, except Internet Explorer, > 'coz Microsoft doesn't support it anymore. I cleared the cache of > everything, tweaked the browser preferences, everything. Nothing for the > better. > Is there FireFox version for OS X? Ok, let's start with that. Best regards, Yakov. > - I tried to tweak the tiddlywiki options to the best of my ability > (autosave off and on, backup of and on, create clear file off and on). > Nothing. > - I've tried to upgrade my wiki via the Upgrade button, but it gives back > an error like this: "A problem with saving the backup file occured". > - Migrating the stuff by hand via copy/paste, tiddler for tiddler, didn't > work out either, though it has been my best shot so far. During the process > I realized that the saving feature in the new version is somewhat broken as > well. More on it here: > > 1. When I save, the wiki creates a new version, which is downloaded by my > browser and I have to relocate it to the folder, just like with TW5, but > maybe that's intended > 2. My old german translation plugin doesn't work with it; well, actually > it did, but it didn't display any umlauts (ä, ö, ü, ß) at all. Instead I > got weird ? placeholders (
[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Classic - Saving Issues
Hi Yakov, thank you, that you help me. I have checked everything you wanted to know. So, you haven't updated Java that time, right? Were you working with TW > only, or did some other activities? Were you online? > No I didn't update Java, but OS X tells you when there is a new version and asks you to download it, I suppose (or does it automatically, once you run the software update application of the OS - so yeah, there might have been an update of Java and I didn't realize). I also installed Java Vesion 17 on my drive manually, but the problem didn't get solved through this. As far as I can remember, I did nothing else while working on the TiddlyWiki, except having TextEdit open, to copy some text from there to the wiki. But aside of that, I did not have any other applications running. I was not online. What's the size of your biggest tiddler (number of symbols)? > Looking at my wiki, I think my biggest Tiddler has about 65000 Symbols use the <> macro to find out > Okay, my Version number is 2.5.6 > what's the size of your TW? of the largest attachment? AttachFile seems to > be most suspicious, in terms of saving problems, in your assembly. > > My wiki has a size of about 2,4 mb. Yet, while I have the attach file plugin installed, I don't have any files attached yet. It was installed just in case. > just in case, check your backup folder > > I haven't filled in the backup folder box in the options menu in my wiki and that hasn't been necessary so far. I tried to fill it in, but that didn't solve my problem. Originally, the wiki created a backup file in the same folder as the wiki file. The backup files had titles showing the name of my wiki file, plus a long number. But they worked, when I wanted to open them. > - My starting page uses a html div-script. but only this one. >> > > this is not quite clear, could you provide more details? > > It's a div style element... It includes formated text and a picture, loaded from the internet and put in the background of the text. It looks like this: http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/95/3761995/3838383062383633.jpg');background-repeat:no-repeat;"> Followed by text and then div and html closers. I already deleted it from a wiki version, yet this did not make a difference regarding my problem. > - I used Dropbox to keep my wiki synchronized on two machines, but I keep >> Dropbox offline recently, due to space reasons >> > > but your TWs are still in Dropbox folder? If so, try another one (may be > Dropbox prevents the folder to grow even without syncing) > I already tried to save the wiki outside of Dropbox. I copied it and pasted it in another folder on my PC, but still, same problem. Is there FireFox version for OS X? > There is and I tried it in Firefox as well, but it was no use. Best Regards, Christoph -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Classic - Saving Issues
Hi Christoph, > So, you haven't updated Java that time, right? Were you working with TW >> only, or did some other activities? Were you online? >> > > No I didn't update Java, but OS X tells you when there is a new version > and asks you to download it, I suppose (or does it automatically, once you > run the software update application of the OS - so yeah, there might have > been an update of Java and I didn't realize). I also installed Java Vesion > 17 on my drive manually, but the problem didn't get solved through this. > > > Actually, updating Java can break elder TiddlySavers and I'm using an outdated version -- that's why I've asked about updating. But as you were not online, that shouldn't be the source of the issue (unless the update could be pre-downloaded and installed by the system without you knowing it). > > What's the size of your biggest tiddler (number of symbols)? >> > > Looking at my wiki, I think my biggest Tiddler has about 65000 Symbols > > > But that tiddler was created previously, right? Just for the record, I had problems in TW+Opera once when I had a big tiddler (tests showed that it had to be ~32000 symbols to cause the bug), but the bug was data corruption on saving, not being unable to save. Anyway, if I understood you correctly, you have now problems with all your TWs, so it shouldn't be the problem caused by a certain wiki/its content. Speaking of which: you are using TiddlySaver for saving, right? > use the <> macro to find out >> > > Okay, my Version number is 2.5.6 > > A side note: since the 2.8.1 version, there's the "download saving" fallback in the core. > >> what's the size of your TW? of the largest attachment? AttachFile seems >> to be most suspicious, in terms of saving problems, in your assembly. >> >> > > My wiki has a size of about 2,4 mb. Yet, while I have the attach file > plugin installed, I don't have any files attached yet. It was installed > just in case. > > > I see. You'd better test AttachFilePlugin after the main issue is resolved: as far as I understand, AttachFilePlugin no longer works because of browsers' security restrictions. > >> just in case, check your backup folder >> >> > > I haven't filled in the backup folder box in the options menu in my wiki > and that hasn't been necessary so far. I tried to fill it in, but that > didn't solve my problem. Originally, the wiki created a backup file in the > same folder as the wiki file. The backup files had titles showing the name > of my wiki file, plus a long number. But they worked, when I wanted to open > them. > > >> - My starting page uses a html div-script. but only this one. >>> >> >> this is not quite clear, could you provide more details? >> >> > > It's a div style element... It includes formated text and a picture, > loaded from the internet and put in the background of the text. It looks > like this: > > > > > http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/95/3761995/3838383062383633.jpg');background-repeat:no-repeat > ;"> > > > > Followed by text and then div and html closers. > > > Ah, ok, that shouldn't cause the problem. Unless.. well.. is it in MarkupPreHeader or other such tiddler? Or in PageTemplate? Or you have manually edited the TiddlyWiki html file? (the last thing may be not that harmless). > I already deleted it from a wiki version, yet this did not make a > difference regarding my problem. > > >> - I used Dropbox to keep my wiki synchronized on two machines, but I keep >>> Dropbox offline recently, due to space reasons >>> >> >> but your TWs are still in Dropbox folder? If so, try another one (may be >> Dropbox prevents the folder to grow even without syncing) >> > > I already tried to save the wiki outside of Dropbox. I copied it and > pasted it in another folder on my PC, but still, same problem. > > > Is there FireFox version for OS X? >> > > There is and I tried it in Firefox as well, but it was no use. > > With TiddlyFox [1]? Also, have you tried TiddlyDesktop? As I'm not familiar with OS X and can't test anything, I suggest you to try [1] and [2] first, but also write here your whole "assembly": OS X version Java version browser version TW version TiddlySaver.. "version".. well, attach it here at least list of modified shadow tiddlers list of tiddlers tagged systemConfig (or, to reduce the complexity, try to save in an empty TW of latest version and probably latest Java and latest TiddlySaver) regardless of whether you succeed with [1] or [2], this info will be useful for a more consistent solution/fix for other users (may be it deserves creating a ticket at GitHub [3]). Best regards, Yakov. [1] https://github.com/TiddlyWiki/TiddlyFox [2] https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop [3] https://github.com/tiddlywiki/tiddlywiki/issues -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, s
[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki Classic - Saving Issues
Hi Yakov, okay, before I give you my setup, I have to thank you! My TW works and saves as usual, when I edit it with TiddlyDesktop. Nevertheless, it still doesn't work in the browser, so I think we'll proceed with solving the problem, if only as a basis for other users or the TW QA. Am Mittwoch, 15. Oktober 2014 19:19:55 UTC+2 schrieb Yakov: > > Ah, ok, that shouldn't cause the problem. Unless.. well.. is it in > MarkupPreHeader or other such tiddler? Or in PageTemplate? Or you have > manually edited the TiddlyWiki html file? (the last thing may be not that > harmless). > > I'm pretty sure it is neither of those. Just an ordinary Page set as a starting page with a html style div tag. With TiddlyFox [1]? > Just tried it. It actually works here, with this configuration. Saving works normally! > Also, have you tried TiddlyDesktop? > Yes, and that also works. So I guess the problem might lie with the browsers (Safari and Chrome) OS X version > Java version > browser version > TW version > TiddlySaver.. "version".. well, attach it here at least > list of modified shadow tiddlers > list of tiddlers tagged systemConfig > (or, to reduce the complexity, try to save in an empty TW of latest > version and probably latest Java and latest TiddlySaver) > My system: OS X 10.6.8. Java 13.9.8 Safari 5.1.10, Chrome 40.0.2194.2 Tiddly Wiki 2.5.6 TiddlySaver see attachment Modified Shadow Tiddlers: There a feature where to check this. I'd say I definitely changed MainMenu, SiteTitle, SiteSubtitle, StyleSheet, StyleSheetLayout, StyleSheetColors, WindowTitle, DefaultTiddlers. With everything else, I'm not quite sure. SystemConfigTiddlers: - AttachFilePlugin - AttachFilePluginFormatters - CheckboxPlugin - GermanTranslation - MapPlugin - PlayerPlugin - Slideshow - sortableTable - Table of Contents But, thanks again Yakuv for getting my Wiki back on track. :-D -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TiddlyWiki" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. TiddlySaver.jar Description: application/java-archive
