Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Interesting! Conan Doyle made that statement about Houdini. On Jun 9, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Christopher Green wrote: > He does all of this so apparently effortlessly that some True Believers have > claimed he is deluded about not having true psychical powers. :-) > > All in all, a very entertaining evening. > > Chris Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18320 or send a blank email to leave-18320-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
I appointed myself nothing of the kind Scott. I stated an opinion (which is not exactly unknown on this list). Chris ... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo On 2012-06-10, at 10:06 AM, "Lilienfeld, Scott O" wrote: > Gee, now that Chris Green has apparently appointed himself unilaterally as > the arbiter of when a TIPS thread is no longer interesting, are we now > required to seek formal permission from him for all future posts on the Bem > matter - or any other matter that he decides has already been resolved > conclusively? > > Scott > > > > From: Christopher Green [chri...@yorku.ca] > Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:38 AM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem > > It connotes a general defensiveness about the topic being discussed. Do I > think that (especially experimental) psychologists are (still) defensive > about anyone even asking questions about telepathy under the guise of > psychological research? You bet your sweet bippy (for those who are old > enough to remember Laugh In). > > Bem did some research. I have no reason to believe he faked anything. He got > a bunch of marginally significant effects, often having to resort to > one-tailed tests. They failed to be replicated, and a more reasonable > Bayesian analysis by Wagenmakers showed the alleged effects were not big > enough to be worth talking about anyway. > > Next? > > Chris > ... > Christopher D Green > Department of Psychology > York University > Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 > > chri...@yorku.ca > http://www.yorku.ca/christo > > On 2012-06-09, at 4:52 PM, Jeffry Ricker > wrote: > >> On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Christopher Green wrote: >>> Y''know, guys, the BemBash-alooza is getting a little >>> methinks-thou-doth-protest-too-much-ish now. >> >> The phrase, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks," usually means >> that a person asserts something so fervently that others infer that >> the person actually believes the opposite--in this context, that we >> actually believe Bem's claims to be well-supported by the evidence he >> presented. You surely can't mean that, so I'm not certain what you're >> trying to communicate. >> >> Best, >> Jeff >> -- >> - >> Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. >> SCC: Professor of Psychology >> MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative >> PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ >> - >> Scottsdale Community College >> 9000 E. Chaparral Road >> Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 >> Office: SB-123 >> Phone: (480) 423-6213 >> Fax: (480) 423-6298 >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. >> To unsubscribe click here: >> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=18297 >> or send a blank email to >> leave-18297-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: slil...@emory.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9b2f&n=T&l=tips&o=18303 > or send a blank email to > leave-18303-13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=18316 > or send a blank email to > leave-18316-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18317 or send a blank email to leave-18317-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Gee, now that Chris Green has apparently appointed himself unilaterally as the arbiter of when a TIPS thread is no longer interesting, are we now required to seek formal permission from him for all future posts on the Bem matter - or any other matter that he decides has already been resolved conclusively? Scott From: Christopher Green [chri...@yorku.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 12:38 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem It connotes a general defensiveness about the topic being discussed. Do I think that (especially experimental) psychologists are (still) defensive about anyone even asking questions about telepathy under the guise of psychological research? You bet your sweet bippy (for those who are old enough to remember Laugh In). Bem did some research. I have no reason to believe he faked anything. He got a bunch of marginally significant effects, often having to resort to one-tailed tests. They failed to be replicated, and a more reasonable Bayesian analysis by Wagenmakers showed the alleged effects were not big enough to be worth talking about anyway. Next? Chris ... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo On 2012-06-09, at 4:52 PM, Jeffry Ricker wrote: > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Christopher Green wrote: >> Y''know, guys, the BemBash-alooza is getting a little >> methinks-thou-doth-protest-too-much-ish now. > > The phrase, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks," usually means > that a person asserts something so fervently that others infer that > the person actually believes the opposite--in this context, that we > actually believe Bem's claims to be well-supported by the evidence he > presented. You surely can't mean that, so I'm not certain what you're > trying to communicate. > > Best, > Jeff > -- > - > Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. > SCC: Professor of Psychology > MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative > PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ > - > Scottsdale Community College > 9000 E. Chaparral Road > Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 > Office: SB-123 > Phone: (480) 423-6213 > Fax: (480) 423-6298 > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=18297 > or send a blank email to > leave-18297-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: slil...@emory.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9b2f&n=T&l=tips&o=18303 or send a blank email to leave-18303-13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18316 or send a blank email to leave-18316-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re:[tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
On Sat, 9 Jun 2012 19:54:21 +, Paul C Bernhardt wrote: >Do we know exactly when Bem did the studies that were published >in JPSP? > >If he'd been doing studies for decades he could eventually have gathered >enough type 1 errors to result in the publication we saw in JPSP. I have spent only a little bit of time looking at this issue but here is what I found. Bem (2011) acknowledges in a footnote that some of the research was done before 2003. Quoting from his article for Exp 5: |4 This experiment was our first psi study and served as a pilot for the |basic procedures adopted in all the other studies reported in this article. |When it was conducted, I had not yet introduced the hardware-based |random number generator or the stimulus seeking scale. Preliminary results |were reported at the 2003 convention of the Parapsychological Convention i|n Vancouver, Canada (Bem, 2003); subsequent results and analyses have |revised some of the conclusions presented there. (p9) The Parapsychological Association which sponsors the convention mentioned above has a website and it provides some of the abstracts for certain years; see: http://www.parapsych.org/section/24/convention_abstracts.aspx I did a superficial examination of the experiments reported in Bem (2011) and those Bem reported at the Parapsychological Association convention. Here is the list: NOTE: Matching on number of subjects used in the experiment was done because the presentations were written somewhat differently from the description provided in Bem (2011). Bem presented several experiments in 2008 under the title "Feeling the Future III" which implies that there may be a "Feeling the Future 1" and Feeling the Future 2" somewhere. Not all of the convention proceedings are available (e.g., 2003 is not). (1) Exp 1: Precognitive Detection of Erotic Stimuli Subjects: 100 Cornell UG, 50 women & 50 men Date Unknown (2) Exp 2: Precognitive Avoidance of Negative Stimuli Subjects 150 Cornell UG, 107 women & 43 men Also Exp 1 in 2008 Feeling the Future III. NOTE: Although Bem mentions that Exp 5 comes from Bem (2003) he does not acknowledge that Exp 2 & 3 are from his 2008 presentation. The proceedings with Bem's paper is available on the Association's website. A third experiment is presented in 2008 but it does not appear to one of those in Bem (2011). (3) Exp 3: Retroactive Priming Subjects: 100 Cornell UG, 69 women & 31 men Also Exp 2 in 2008 Feeling the Future III (4) Exp 4: Retroactive Priming II Subjects: 100 Cornell UG, 57 women & 43 men Date Unknown (5) Exp 5: Retroactive Habituation I Subjects: 100 Cornell UG, 63 women & 37 men Also Bem, D. J. (2003, August). Precognitive habituation: Replicable evidence for a process of anomalous cognition. Paper presented at the meeting of the Parapsychological Association, Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. (6) Exp 6: Retroactive Habituation II Subjects: 150 Cornell UG, 87 women & 63 men NOTE: Bem reports Savva, Child, & Smith (2004) replicated study (7) Exp 7: Retroactive induction of Boredom Subjects: 200 Cornell UG, 140 women & 60 men Date Unknown (8) Exp 8: Retroactive Facilitation of Recall I Subjects: 100 Cornell UG, 64 women & 36 men Date Unknown (9) Exp 9: Retroactive Facilitation of Recall II Subjects: 50 Cornell UG, 34 women & 16 men Date Unknown Perhaps a closer reading of Bem (2011) would provide more information about the studies listed above with "date unknown". I believe that Bem has also published in some of the journals in this area, such as "The Journal of Parapsychology" and "Journal of Scientific Exploration", which might provide additional info but both require membership in their societies to get full access to their publications. Perhaps some enterprising graduate student/junior faculty will take the bait, er, challenge. So, in summary, some of Bem's (2011) research ranges back to before 2003 and as recent as 2008; there may be some research between 2008 and the acceptance of his manuscript for publication. I would love to write more on this topic but friends keep telling me that I need to read a book about 50 shades of gray. I think its a book about perception. ;-) -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18315 or send a blank email to leave-18315-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
It connotes a general defensiveness about the topic being discussed. Do I think that (especially experimental) psychologists are (still) defensive about anyone even asking questions about telepathy under the guise of psychological research? You bet your sweet bippy (for those who are old enough to remember Laugh In). Bem did some research. I have no reason to believe he faked anything. He got a bunch of marginally significant effects, often having to resort to one-tailed tests. They failed to be replicated, and a more reasonable Bayesian analysis by Wagenmakers showed the alleged effects were not big enough to be worth talking about anyway. Next? Chris ... Christopher D Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M6C 1G4 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo On 2012-06-09, at 4:52 PM, Jeffry Ricker wrote: > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Christopher Green wrote: >> Y''know, guys, the BemBash-alooza is getting a little >> methinks-thou-doth-protest-too-much-ish now. > > The phrase, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks," usually means > that a person asserts something so fervently that others infer that > the person actually believes the opposite--in this context, that we > actually believe Bem's claims to be well-supported by the evidence he > presented. You surely can't mean that, so I'm not certain what you're > trying to communicate. > > Best, > Jeff > -- > - > Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. > SCC: Professor of Psychology > MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative > PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ > - > Scottsdale Community College > 9000 E. Chaparral Road > Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 > Office: SB-123 > Phone: (480) 423-6213 > Fax: (480) 423-6298 > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=18297 > or send a blank email to > leave-18297-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18303 or send a blank email to leave-18303-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
He does a super show. We managed to have him visit us a few years ago and I did his Intro, but this was before his current Project Alpha show, which sounds fascinating! Would be a good show for a History and Systems class? G.L. (Gary) Peterson,Ph.D Psychology@SVSU On Jun 9, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Christopher Green wrote: > Y''know, guys, the BemBash-alooza is getting a little > methinks-thou-doth-protest-too-much-ish now. > > On related, but not so personal note, I went to see the "mentalist" who goes > by the stage name Banachek last night. He was originally trained, as a > teenager, by James Randi to fool psychologists at Washington U. who were > conducting "scientific" investigations of psi phenomena into believing he was > the real deal. It worked; they "certified" him. Then Randi and he (and one > other "plant") held a press conference to expose what they had done. > > Banachek's current show, "Project Alpha," is all about deconstructing > telepathy. He demonstrates a bunch of classic telepathy and telekinesis > phenomena, showing them to be "tricks." He also does the famous 19th-century > "Spirit Cabinet," Uri Geller-style fork-bending/breaking, and a past-lives > regression (with two audience members who say they believe in past lives). > His ongoing commentary includes mentions of a bunch of philosophers and > psychologists who tried to deomonstrate psi phenomena, such as Henry > Sidgwick, Gestalt psychologist Wolfgang Metzger, Duke psychologist Karl Zener > (who invented the psi cards with the circle, square, star, plus, wavy lines). > No mention of William James though. > > He does all of this so apparently effortlessly that some True Believers have > claimed he is deluded about not having true psychical powers. :-) > > All in all, a very entertaining evening. > > Chris > --- > Christopher D. Green > Department of Psychology > York University > Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 > Canada > > chri...@yorku.ca > http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ > == > > > > On 2012-06-09, at 3:54 PM, Paul C Bernhardt wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Do we know exactly when Bem did the studies that were published in JPSP? >> >> If he'd been doing studies for decades he could eventually have gathered >> enough type 1 errors to result in the publication we saw in JPSP. >> >> Paul >> >> On Jun 9, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Michael Palij wrote: >> >>> Just another comment on the above: Bem has a website which can be >>> accessed at: >>> http://dbem.ws/ >>> >>> On it, Bem has a list of his publications, organized chronologically and >>> in other groups. If one examines the chronological list, Bem's first >>> publication involving PSI don't appear until 1990; see: >>> >>> http://dbem.ws/pubs.html#1990 >>> >>> He does have an 1989 book review of a book on parapsychology but >>> nothing on parapsychology or the ganzfeld experiments before that >>> (it appears the first ganzfeld experiment paper was published in 1994). >>> >>> So, if Bem was doing PSI work circa 1978-1982, why was he in the >>> "closet", so to speak, about his work in parapsychology? What happened >>> around 1990 to make Bem "go off the rails"? >> >> >> --- >> >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. >> >> To unsubscribe click here: >> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=18295 >> >> (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) >> >> or send a blank email to >> leave-18295-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu >> >> >> >> >> > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: peter...@svsu.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd94b&n=T&l=tips&o=18296 > or send a blank email to > leave-18296-13445.e3edca0f6e68bfb76eaf26a8eb6dd...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18299 or send a blank email to leave-18299-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Speaking for Chris Green (dare I do that without seeming to attempt to channel his thoughts?? heh, heh, just a little psi-humor), I have to believe that he's trying to convey that this topic is being beaten to death. (But maybe that's just because it conveys what I'm thinking.) My gmail counter indicates that there have been 22 posts on this topic. (Sorry to add mine, but maybe I can be the epilogue that ends this thread.) Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Jeffry Ricker < jeff.ric...@sccmail.maricopa.edu> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Christopher Green > wrote: > > Y''know, guys, the BemBash-alooza is getting a little > methinks-thou-doth-protest-too-much-ish now. > > The phrase, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks," usually means > that a person asserts something so fervently that others infer that > the person actually believes the opposite--in this context, that we > actually believe Bem's claims to be well-supported by the evidence he > presented. You surely can't mean that, so I'm not certain what you're > trying to communicate. > > Best, > Jeff > -- > > - > Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. > SCC: Professor of Psychology > MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative > PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ > > - > Scottsdale Community College > 9000 E. Chaparral Road > Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 > Office: SB-123 > Phone: (480) 423-6213 > Fax: (480) 423-6298 > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: beth.ben...@gmail.com. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aaf72&n=T&l=tips&o=18297 > or send a blank email to > leave-18297-13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aa...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18298 or send a blank email to leave-18298-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Christopher Green wrote: > Y''know, guys, the BemBash-alooza is getting a little > methinks-thou-doth-protest-too-much-ish now. The phrase, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks," usually means that a person asserts something so fervently that others infer that the person actually believes the opposite--in this context, that we actually believe Bem's claims to be well-supported by the evidence he presented. You surely can't mean that, so I'm not certain what you're trying to communicate. Best, Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18297 or send a blank email to leave-18297-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Y''know, guys, the BemBash-alooza is getting a little methinks-thou-doth-protest-too-much-ish now. On related, but not so personal note, I went to see the "mentalist" who goes by the stage name Banachek last night. He was originally trained, as a teenager, by James Randi to fool psychologists at Washington U. who were conducting "scientific" investigations of psi phenomena into believing he was the real deal. It worked; they "certified" him. Then Randi and he (and one other "plant") held a press conference to expose what they had done. Banachek's current show, "Project Alpha," is all about deconstructing telepathy. He demonstrates a bunch of classic telepathy and telekinesis phenomena, showing them to be "tricks." He also does the famous 19th-century "Spirit Cabinet," Uri Geller-style fork-bending/breaking, and a past-lives regression (with two audience members who say they believe in past lives). His ongoing commentary includes mentions of a bunch of philosophers and psychologists who tried to deomonstrate psi phenomena, such as Henry Sidgwick, Gestalt psychologist Wolfgang Metzger, Duke psychologist Karl Zener (who invented the psi cards with the circle, square, star, plus, wavy lines). No mention of William James though. He does all of this so apparently effortlessly that some True Believers have claimed he is deluded about not having true psychical powers. :-) All in all, a very entertaining evening. Chris --- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ == On 2012-06-09, at 3:54 PM, Paul C Bernhardt wrote: > > > > > > > Do we know exactly when Bem did the studies that were published in JPSP? > > If he'd been doing studies for decades he could eventually have gathered > enough type 1 errors to result in the publication we saw in JPSP. > > Paul > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Michael Palij wrote: > >> Just another comment on the above: Bem has a website which can be >> accessed at: >> http://dbem.ws/ >> >> On it, Bem has a list of his publications, organized chronologically and >> in other groups. If one examines the chronological list, Bem's first >> publication involving PSI don't appear until 1990; see: >> >> http://dbem.ws/pubs.html#1990 >> >> He does have an 1989 book review of a book on parapsychology but >> nothing on parapsychology or the ganzfeld experiments before that >> (it appears the first ganzfeld experiment paper was published in 1994). >> >> So, if Bem was doing PSI work circa 1978-1982, why was he in the >> "closet", so to speak, about his work in parapsychology? What happened >> around 1990 to make Bem "go off the rails"? > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: chri...@yorku.ca. > > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62bd92&n=T&l=tips&o=18295 > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > > or send a blank email to > leave-18295-430248.781165b5ef80a3cd2b14721caf62b...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18296 or send a blank email to leave-18296-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Do we know exactly when Bem did the studies that were published in JPSP? If he'd been doing studies for decades he could eventually have gathered enough type 1 errors to result in the publication we saw in JPSP. Paul On Jun 9, 2012, at 2:23 PM, Michael Palij wrote: Just another comment on the above: Bem has a website which can be accessed at: http://dbem.ws/ On it, Bem has a list of his publications, organized chronologically and in other groups. If one examines the chronological list, Bem's first publication involving PSI don't appear until 1990; see: http://dbem.ws/pubs.html#1990 He does have an 1989 book review of a book on parapsychology but nothing on parapsychology or the ganzfeld experiments before that (it appears the first ganzfeld experiment paper was published in 1994). So, if Bem was doing PSI work circa 1978-1982, why was he in the "closet", so to speak, about his work in parapsychology? What happened around 1990 to make Bem "go off the rails"? --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18295 or send a blank email to leave-18295-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:14:17 -0700, Scott O Lilienfeld wrote: >Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He was >beginning to conduct work on psi (using the ganzfeld procedure, if I recall) >even back then. He also spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of >paranormal phenomena in his courses. So he has certainly been open to the >existence of psi for many decades. The article's implication that data >"changed his mind" following many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as >exceedingly dubious. Just another comment on the above: Bem has a website which can be accessed at: http://dbem.ws/ On it, Bem has a list of his publications, organized chronologically and in other groups. If one examines the chronological list, Bem's first publication involving PSI don't appear until 1990; see: http://dbem.ws/pubs.html#1990 He does have an 1989 book review of a book on parapsychology but nothing on parapsychology or the ganzfeld experiments before that (it appears the first ganzfeld experiment paper was published in 1994). So, if Bem was doing PSI work circa 1978-1982, why was he in the "closet", so to speak, about his work in parapsychology? What happened around 1990 to make Bem "go off the rails"? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu P.S. Emily Nussbaum's article on Bem's "Exotic become Erotic" theory may also be relevant given that it also appears at about this time; see: http://www.emilynussbaum.com/lingua_franca/1998/05/does_the_exotic_become_erotic.php --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18294 or send a blank email to leave-18294-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 10:47 AM, Paul Brandon wrote: > In the Skeptical Inquirer, among other places! > And if you search on 'quantum' and 'precognition' you will get some hits. Yes, some of these were the articles I was vaguely recalling. It's been a long time since I've read them--my interests have changed markedly over the years (I'm not even sure I'm the same person I was 10 years ago)--and I couldn't remember specifics. > On Jun 9, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote: > I believe that physicist Victor Stenger of UC-Boulder has written about such > issues Yes, he was the physicist whose name I was trying to remember. Thanks. Best, Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18293 or send a blank email to leave-18293-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
In the Skeptical Inquirer, among other places! And if you search on 'quantum' and 'precognition' you will get some hits. On Jun 9, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote: > I believe that physicist Victor Stenger of UC-Boulder has written about such > issues. See: > > http://www.amazon.com/Unconscious-Quantum-Victor-J-Stenger/dp/1573920223 > > ...Scott > From: Jeffry Ricker [jeff.ric...@sccmail.maricopa.edu] > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 12:56 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem > > > > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Paul Brandon wrote: > contemporary physics (quantum theory -> string theory) seems to be in an > 'anything is possible' mode, so I'm not sure that a working physicist would > make an a priori judgement on precognition. > > I tried to see if an actual working physicist had written something showing > that quantum field theory was agnostic with respect to psi phenomena. When I > entered the following keywords "quantum physics psi" into Google, I hit an > unexpected roadblock--psi is a term used in quantum mechanics: > "The wavefunction which describes the state of a particle is often denoted by > the letter Y (spelled 'psi' and pronounced 'sigh'). It is a complex function > which is defined everywhere in space..." (Felder & Felder, 2003; > http://snipurl.com/23ve8x2). > > Anyways, I recall reading critiques written by physicists showing why quantum > field theory cannot be used to explain at least some of the specific claims > that have been made about psi. I also wonder if there are any physicists > prepared to claim that quantum field theory contravenes the laws of > thermodynamics. If not, then I'm not certain that "spooky action at a > distance" or other quantum phenomena are relevant. > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote: > Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He > spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of paranormal phenomena in his > courses The article's implication that data "changed his mind" following > many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as exceedingly dubious. > > That's why I posted the link to the article. When the JPSP article was first > published, I read in several places that he had been studying paranormal > phenomena for years. It sounded to me a bit like the claims made by Freud's > followers that he had to be 'pulled kicking and screaming' to the conclusions > that led to the development of the psychoanalytic approach. > > Best, > Jeff > > -- > - > Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. > SCC: Professor of Psychology > MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative > PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ > - > Scottsdale Community College > 9000 E. Chaparral Road > Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 > Office: SB-123 > Phone: (480) 423-6213 > Fax: (480) 423-6298 > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: slil...@emory.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9b2f&n=T&l=tips&o=18288 > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > or send a blank email to > leave-18288-13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > > This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. If the reader of this message is not the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution > or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly > prohibited. > > If you have received this message in error, please contact > the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the > original message (including attachments). > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: pkbra...@hickorytech.net. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a64900b&n=T&l=tips&o=18290 > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > or send a blank email to > leave-18290-13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a649...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18291 or send a blank email to leave-18291-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
I believe that physicist Victor Stenger of UC-Boulder has written about such issues. See: http://www.amazon.com/Unconscious-Quantum-Victor-J-Stenger/dp/1573920223 ...Scott From: Jeffry Ricker [jeff.ric...@sccmail.maricopa.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 12:56 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Paul Brandon mailto:pkbra...@hickorytech.net>> wrote: contemporary physics (quantum theory -> string theory) seems to be in an 'anything is possible' mode, so I'm not sure that a working physicist would make an a priori judgement on precognition. I tried to see if an actual working physicist had written something showing that quantum field theory was agnostic with respect to psi phenomena. When I entered the following keywords "quantum physics psi" into Google, I hit an unexpected roadblock--psi is a term used in quantum mechanics: "The wavefunction which describes the state of a particle is often denoted by the letter Y (spelled 'psi' and pronounced 'sigh'). It is a complex function which is defined everywhere in space..." (Felder & Felder, 2003; http://snipurl.com/23ve8x2). Anyways, I recall reading critiques written by physicists showing why quantum field theory cannot be used to explain at least some of the specific claims that have been made about psi. I also wonder if there are any physicists prepared to claim that quantum field theory contravenes the laws of thermodynamics. If not, then I'm not certain that "spooky action at a distance" or other quantum phenomena are relevant. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Lilienfeld, Scott O mailto:slil...@emory.edu>> wrote: Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of paranormal phenomena in his courses The article's implication that data "changed his mind" following many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as exceedingly dubious. That's why I posted the link to the article. When the JPSP article was first published, I read in several places that he had been studying paranormal phenomena for years. It sounded to me a bit like the claims made by Freud's followers that he had to be 'pulled kicking and screaming' to the conclusions that led to the development of the psychoanalytic approach. Best, Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: slil...@emory.edu<mailto:slil...@emory.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9b2f&n=T&l=tips&o=18288 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-18288-13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-18288-13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message (including any attachments) is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please contact the sender by reply e-mail message and destroy all copies of the original message (including attachments). --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18290 or send a blank email to leave-18290-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 8:20 AM, Paul Brandon wrote: > contemporary physics (quantum theory -> string theory) seems to be in an > 'anything is possible' mode, so I'm not sure that a working physicist would > make an a priori judgement on precognition. I tried to see if an actual working physicist had written something showing that quantum field theory was agnostic with respect to psi phenomena. When I entered the following keywords "quantum physics psi" into Google, I hit an unexpected roadblock--psi is a term used in quantum mechanics: "The wavefunction which describes the state of a particle is often denoted by the letter Y (spelled 'psi' and pronounced 'sigh'). It is a complex function which is defined everywhere in space..." (Felder & Felder, 2003; http://snipurl.com/23ve8x2). Anyways, I recall reading critiques written by physicists showing why quantum field theory cannot be used to explain at least some of the specific claims that have been made about psi. I also wonder if there are any physicists prepared to claim that quantum field theory contravenes the laws of thermodynamics. If not, then I'm not certain that "spooky action at a distance" or other quantum phenomena are relevant. On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 5:14 AM, Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote: > Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He > spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of paranormal phenomena in > his courses The article's implication that data "changed his mind" > following many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as exceedingly dubious. That's why I posted the link to the article. When the JPSP article was first published, I read in several places that he had been studying paranormal phenomena for years. It sounded to me a bit like the claims made by Freud's followers that he had to be 'pulled kicking and screaming' to the conclusions that led to the development of the psychoanalytic approach. Best, Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18288 or send a blank email to leave-18288-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
What might fit in here is something that I stumbled across yesterday in reading about open instruction initiatives at Carnegie Mellon and University of Pittsburgh. Mischel talked in an APS Observer editorial about "The Toothbrush Problem" which describes that many psychologists tend to use their own pet theories instead of others' much like a person always uses their own toothbrush. That is, you would never use another person's toothbrush, right? The idea is that this creates fragmentation and lack of progress in psychology because we spend too much time trying to create our own theory rather than really building on other solid work. Mischel suggests that this is somewhat due to the pressures of the tenure process at large research universities. Read it here: http://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/getArticle.cfm?id=2430 Paul On Jun 9, 2012, at 8:14 AM, Lilienfeld, Scott O wrote: > Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He was > beginning to conduct work on psi (using the ganzfeld procedure, if I recall) > even back then. He also spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of > paranormal phenomena in his courses. So he has certainly been open to the > existence of psi for many decades. The article's implication that data > "changed his mind" following many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as > exceedingly dubious. > > ..Scott > > > > From: Helweg-Larsen, Marie [helw...@dickinson.edu] > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 2:18 AM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem > > When Bem came to give a talk at Dickinson he said that he had been > investigating paranormal events for many years. He said it was a long > interest of his and he always worked with undergraduate students so as to not > harm the career of graduate students. Surely you would not keep testing > hypotheses if you didn't think they were likely or possibly true. > > Also, just like his precognition paper is probably not true his theory of > sexual orientation is not true (something he alluded to when he gave his > talk). But of course it is the nature of the scientific process that others > can replicate (or fail to replicate) your findings. Now if we could just get > journals to accept replications studies and null results! > > Marie > > > Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. > Associate Professor l Department of Psychology > Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College > Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 > http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html > > > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:13 PM > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem > > Hi > > Part of the problem with Bem's advice to "tell a story" (i.e., "make up a > story"?) when writing papers is that one can never be sure what is fact and > what is just for the sake of the story. Here, for example, the "tell a > story" model makes me skeptical that Bem was as unsympathetic to paranormal > phenomena as claimed in the article. After all, isn't the story better if he > was really a skeptic and then was forced to change his mind, rather than that > he set out to demonstrate something that he already believed? > > Take care > Jim > > > James M. Clark > Professor of Psychology > 204-786-9757 > 204-774-4134 Fax > j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca > >>>> "Jeffry Ricker, PhD" 06-Jun-12 7:20 pm >>>>>>> > Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to > Prove ESP Exists From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never > been one to follow the crowd. > by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee > From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 > > "...Even in the context of a career of irreverence, there was little to > suggest that Bem would end up defending the possibility of extrasensory > perception, or ESP, which most mainstream scientists consider unworthy of > serious inquiry. Through most of his career, he was as dubious about > telepathy (mind reading) or precognition (seeing the future) as any of his > colleagues. Then data changed his mind" > > FULL TEXT AT: > http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-paranormal-circumstances-scientist-mission-esp > > > -- > - > Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. > SCC: Professor of Psychology > MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representa
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Addendum: Bem's theories clearly violate classical (Newtonian) mechanics. However, contemporary physics (quantum theory -> string theory) seems to be in an 'anything is possible' mode, so I'm not sure that a working physicist would make an a priori judgement on precognition. On Jun 9, 2012, at 10:02 AM, Paul Brandon wrote: > The Skeptical Inquirer (http://www.csicop.org/) has a series of articles > about l'affaire Bem, including argument with psychologist James Alcock. I > don't think that any physicists were involved, though. > > For what it's worth, I knew Darryl slightly when he was a graduate student > (we had the same advisor; Harlan Lane, at the time) -- he seemed sane then. > > And in classic science fiction, BEM referred to Bug Eyed Monsters. > > On Jun 9, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Michael Palij wrote: > >> On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:14:17 -0700, Scott O Lilienfeld wrote: >>> Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He was >>> beginning to conduct work on psi (using the ganzfeld procedure, if I recall) >>> even back then. He also spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of >>> paranormal phenomena in his courses. So he has certainly been open to the >>> existence of psi for many decades. The article's implication that data >>> "changed his mind" following many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as >>> exceedingly dubious. >> >> My dissertation advisor, Marvin Levine, who did his original research on >> hypothesis theory (Harry Harlow was one of his advisors) and would go on >> to do research in spatial problem solving (the area of my dissertation). >> He was also a somewhat unconventional person (i.e., "flake") because he >> had he practiced yoga and studied Buddhism before it was fashionable. >> I was somewhat concerned about how these activities might influence >> his view of science until we both were exposed to some research involving >> PSI/telepathy. I was extremely skeptical of the whole business but wasn't >> sure what Marv's reaction was. I asked what he thought and his response >> impressed. Paraphrasing from a potentially faulty memory, Marv said: >> >> |"We know an awful lot about energy from physics and the big problem >> |here is the person either doesn't know physics or how what he's talking >> |about violates what we know about physics. Regardless of the results, >> |he still has to explain how his results fit into what we know is true and >> |valid in physics. >> >> Bem did not go into much detail about physics in his JPSP article but >> when I looked at some of Bem's writing in the parapsychology journals, >> he went into detail about the mechanisms (i.e., how the future affects the >> present). I think the real question is how does Bem's explanation and >> theory are inconsistent with current physical theory. Does anyone know >> of any physicist's critique of Bem's theory or model? If Bem relies >> upon empirical results for his beliefs, shouldn't be taking into account >> what the standard results are in physics? >> >> -Mike Palij >> New York University >> m...@nyu.edu >> >> --- >> You are currently subscribed to tips as: pkbra...@hickorytech.net. >> To unsubscribe click here: >> http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a64900b&n=T&l=tips&o=18283 >> or send a blank email to >> leave-18283-13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a649...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > Paul Brandon > Emeritus Professor of Psychology > Minnesota State University, Mankato > pkbra...@hickorytech.net > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: pkbra...@hickorytech.net. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a64900b&n=T&l=tips&o=18285 > or send a blank email to > leave-18285-13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a649...@fsulist.frostburg.edu Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18286 or send a blank email to leave-18286-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
The Skeptical Inquirer (http://www.csicop.org/) has a series of articles about l'affaire Bem, including argument with psychologist James Alcock. I don't think that any physicists were involved, though. For what it's worth, I knew Darryl slightly when he was a graduate student (we had the same advisor; Harlan Lane, at the time) -- he seemed sane then. And in classic science fiction, BEM referred to Bug Eyed Monsters. On Jun 9, 2012, at 8:25 AM, Michael Palij wrote: > On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:14:17 -0700, Scott O Lilienfeld wrote: >> Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He was >> beginning to conduct work on psi (using the ganzfeld procedure, if I recall) >> even back then. He also spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of >> paranormal phenomena in his courses. So he has certainly been open to the >> existence of psi for many decades. The article's implication that data >> "changed his mind" following many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as >> exceedingly dubious. > > My dissertation advisor, Marvin Levine, who did his original research on > hypothesis theory (Harry Harlow was one of his advisors) and would go on > to do research in spatial problem solving (the area of my dissertation). > He was also a somewhat unconventional person (i.e., "flake") because he > had he practiced yoga and studied Buddhism before it was fashionable. > I was somewhat concerned about how these activities might influence > his view of science until we both were exposed to some research involving > PSI/telepathy. I was extremely skeptical of the whole business but wasn't > sure what Marv's reaction was. I asked what he thought and his response > impressed. Paraphrasing from a potentially faulty memory, Marv said: > > |"We know an awful lot about energy from physics and the big problem > |here is the person either doesn't know physics or how what he's talking > |about violates what we know about physics. Regardless of the results, > |he still has to explain how his results fit into what we know is true and > |valid in physics. > > Bem did not go into much detail about physics in his JPSP article but > when I looked at some of Bem's writing in the parapsychology journals, > he went into detail about the mechanisms (i.e., how the future affects the > present). I think the real question is how does Bem's explanation and > theory are inconsistent with current physical theory. Does anyone know > of any physicist's critique of Bem's theory or model? If Bem relies > upon empirical results for his beliefs, shouldn't be taking into account > what the standard results are in physics? > > -Mike Palij > New York University > m...@nyu.edu > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: pkbra...@hickorytech.net. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a64900b&n=T&l=tips&o=18283 > or send a blank email to > leave-18283-13438.3b5166ef147b143fedd04b1c4a649...@fsulist.frostburg.edu Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato pkbra...@hickorytech.net --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18285 or send a blank email to leave-18285-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
On Sat, 09 Jun 2012 05:14:17 -0700, Scott O Lilienfeld wrote: >Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He was >beginning to conduct work on psi (using the ganzfeld procedure, if I recall) >even back then. He also spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of >paranormal phenomena in his courses. So he has certainly been open to the >existence of psi for many decades. The article's implication that data >"changed his mind" following many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as >exceedingly dubious. My dissertation advisor, Marvin Levine, who did his original research on hypothesis theory (Harry Harlow was one of his advisors) and would go on to do research in spatial problem solving (the area of my dissertation). He was also a somewhat unconventional person (i.e., "flake") because he had he practiced yoga and studied Buddhism before it was fashionable. I was somewhat concerned about how these activities might influence his view of science until we both were exposed to some research involving PSI/telepathy. I was extremely skeptical of the whole business but wasn't sure what Marv's reaction was. I asked what he thought and his response impressed. Paraphrasing from a potentially faulty memory, Marv said: |"We know an awful lot about energy from physics and the big problem |here is the person either doesn't know physics or how what he's talking |about violates what we know about physics. Regardless of the results, |he still has to explain how his results fit into what we know is true and |valid in physics. Bem did not go into much detail about physics in his JPSP article but when I looked at some of Bem's writing in the parapsychology journals, he went into detail about the mechanisms (i.e., how the future affects the present). I think the real question is how does Bem's explanation and theory are inconsistent with current physical theory. Does anyone know of any physicist's critique of Bem's theory or model? If Bem relies upon empirical results for his beliefs, shouldn't be taking into account what the standard results are in physics? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18283 or send a blank email to leave-18283-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Daryl Bem was my undergraduate advisor at Cornell from 1978 to 1982. He was beginning to conduct work on psi (using the ganzfeld procedure, if I recall) even back then. He also spoke quite favorably about the possibiilty of paranormal phenomena in his courses. So he has certainly been open to the existence of psi for many decades. The article's implication that data "changed his mind" following many years of skepticsm of psi strikes me as exceedingly dubious. ..Scott From: Helweg-Larsen, Marie [helw...@dickinson.edu] Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 2:18 AM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem When Bem came to give a talk at Dickinson he said that he had been investigating paranormal events for many years. He said it was a long interest of his and he always worked with undergraduate students so as to not harm the career of graduate students. Surely you would not keep testing hypotheses if you didn't think they were likely or possibly true. Also, just like his precognition paper is probably not true his theory of sexual orientation is not true (something he alluded to when he gave his talk). But of course it is the nature of the scientific process that others can replicate (or fail to replicate) your findings. Now if we could just get journals to accept replications studies and null results! Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:13 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem Hi Part of the problem with Bem's advice to "tell a story" (i.e., "make up a story"?) when writing papers is that one can never be sure what is fact and what is just for the sake of the story. Here, for example, the "tell a story" model makes me skeptical that Bem was as unsympathetic to paranormal phenomena as claimed in the article. After all, isn't the story better if he was really a skeptic and then was forced to change his mind, rather than that he set out to demonstrate something that he already believed? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> "Jeffry Ricker, PhD" 06-Jun-12 7:20 pm >>> >>> Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to Prove ESP Exists From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never been one to follow the crowd. by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee >From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 "...Even in the context of a career of irreverence, there was little to suggest that Bem would end up defending the possibility of extrasensory perception, or ESP, which most mainstream scientists consider unworthy of serious inquiry. Through most of his career, he was as dubious about telepathy (mind reading) or precognition (seeing the future) as any of his colleagues. Then data changed his mind" FULL TEXT AT: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-paranormal-circumstances-scientist-mission-esp -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9&n=T&l=tips&o=18207 or send a blank email to leave-18207-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=18233 or send a blank email to leave-18233-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: slil...@emory.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9b2f&n=T&l=tips&o=18277 or send a blank email to leave-18277-13509.d0999cebc8f4ed4eb54d5317367e9...@fsulist.frostburg.edu This e-mail message (including any attachments) is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. If the reader of th
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
We may not need traditional journals to 'publish' replications, http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6076/1558 . However, u nless, the topic is hot or controversial (like Bem's parapsychological work), who is going to take the time to replicate all this work, especially if it is going to be 'dumped' in these types of depositories? And fo r purposes of promotion and tenure, or even hiring, what value will an attempt at replication have? Miguel - Original Message - From: "Marie Helweg-Larsen" To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" Sent: Saturday, June 9, 2012 2:18:57 AM Subject: RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem When Bem came to give a talk at Dickinson he said that he had been investigating paranormal events for many years. He said it was a long interest of his and he always worked with undergraduate students so as to not harm the career of graduate students. Surely you would not keep testing hypotheses if you didn't think they were likely or possibly true. Also, just like his precognition paper is probably not true his theory of sexual orientation is not true (something he alluded to when he gave his talk). But of course it is the nature of the scientific process that others can replicate (or fail to replicate) your findings. Now if we could just get journals to accept replications studies and null results! Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:13 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem Hi Part of the problem with Bem's advice to "tell a story" (i.e., "make up a story"?) when writing papers is that one can never be sure what is fact and what is just for the sake of the story. Here, for example, the "tell a story" model makes me skeptical that Bem was as unsympathetic to paranormal phenomena as claimed in the article. After all, isn't the story better if he was really a skeptic and then was forced to change his mind, rather than that he set out to demonstrate something that he already believed? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> "Jeffry Ricker, PhD" 06-Jun-12 7:20 pm >>> >>> Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to Prove ESP Exists From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never been one to follow the crowd. by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee >From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 "...Even in the context of a career of irreverence, there was little to suggest that Bem would end up defending the possibility of extrasensory perception, or ESP, which most mainstream scientists consider unworthy of serious inquiry. Through most of his career, he was as dubious about telepathy (mind reading) or precognition (seeing the future) as any of his colleagues. Then data changed his mind" FULL TEXT AT: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-paranormal-circumstances-scientist-mission-esp -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9&n=T&l=tips&o=18207 or send a blank email to leave-18207-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=18233 or send a blank email to leave-18233-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: miguelr...@comcast.net. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce629&n=T&l=tips&o=18277 or send a blank email to leave-18277-466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18280 or send a blank email to leave-18280-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
When Bem came to give a talk at Dickinson he said that he had been investigating paranormal events for many years. He said it was a long interest of his and he always worked with undergraduate students so as to not harm the career of graduate students. Surely you would not keep testing hypotheses if you didn't think they were likely or possibly true. Also, just like his precognition paper is probably not true his theory of sexual orientation is not true (something he alluded to when he gave his talk). But of course it is the nature of the scientific process that others can replicate (or fail to replicate) your findings. Now if we could just get journals to accept replications studies and null results! Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor l Department of Psychology Kaufman 168 l Dickinson College Phone 717.245.1562 l Fax 717.245.1971 http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2012 12:13 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem Hi Part of the problem with Bem's advice to "tell a story" (i.e., "make up a story"?) when writing papers is that one can never be sure what is fact and what is just for the sake of the story. Here, for example, the "tell a story" model makes me skeptical that Bem was as unsympathetic to paranormal phenomena as claimed in the article. After all, isn't the story better if he was really a skeptic and then was forced to change his mind, rather than that he set out to demonstrate something that he already believed? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> "Jeffry Ricker, PhD" 06-Jun-12 7:20 pm >>> >>> Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to Prove ESP Exists From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never been one to follow the crowd. by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee >From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 "...Even in the context of a career of irreverence, there was little to suggest that Bem would end up defending the possibility of extrasensory perception, or ESP, which most mainstream scientists consider unworthy of serious inquiry. Through most of his career, he was as dubious about telepathy (mind reading) or precognition (seeing the future) as any of his colleagues. Then data changed his mind" FULL TEXT AT: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-paranormal-circumstances-scientist-mission-esp -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9&n=T&l=tips&o=18207 or send a blank email to leave-18207-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=18233 or send a blank email to leave-18233-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18277 or send a blank email to leave-18277-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Interesting point that Miguel makes. On the assumption that he is correct, that the desire to tell a story implicates telling a 'clear and easily understandable story', I wonder if psychology differs from the physical sciences on this point, and if telling about the 'glitches' is necessary if that data is never used. Paul On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:06 PM, MiguelRoig wrote: I appreciate your point about Bem's advice about writing papers, but my sense is that the notion of 'telling a story' in scientific papers predates Bem by decades and has been implicitly promoted in our best journals. It seems to me that legions of scientists have been trained to write research papers in this fashion for years. For example, most methods sections read as if most experiments were executed without the slightest glitch. Really? Perhaps I am totally wrong here, but my bet is that all sorts of events occur in most studies that should reported, but are not because such details are inconsistent with the story we wish to tell. I bet that the research paper-as-a-story is probably partly responsible for much of the selective reporting of literature, methodology, results, etc., that has been going on in most areas of science for a long time. Miguel From: "Jim Clark" mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca>> To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" mailto:tips@fsulist.frostburg.edu>> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 12:13:16 PM Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem Hi Part of the problem with Bem's advice to "tell a story" (i.e., "make up a story"?) when writing papers is that one can never be sure what is fact and what is just for the sake of the story. Here, for example, the "tell a story" model makes me skeptical that Bem was as unsympathetic to paranormal phenomena as claimed in the article. After all, isn't the story better if he was really a skeptic and then was forced to change his mind, rather than that he set out to demonstrate something that he already believed? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca<mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca> >>> "Jeffry Ricker, PhD" >>> mailto:drjeffryric...@gmail.com>> 06-Jun-12 7:20 >>> pm >>> Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to Prove ESP Exists >From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never been one to follow >the crowd. by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee >From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 "...Even in the context of a career of irreverence, there was little to suggest that Bem would end up defending the possibility of extrasensory perception, or ESP, which most mainstream scientists consider unworthy of serious inquiry. Through most of his career, he was as dubious about telepathy (mind reading) or precognition (seeing the future) as any of his colleagues. Then data changed his mind" FULL TEXT AT: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-paranormal-circumstances-scientist-mission-esp -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca<mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9&n=T&l=tips&o=18207 or send a blank email to leave-18207-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-18207-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: miguelr...@comcast.net<mailto:miguelr...@comcast.net>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce629&n=T&l=tips&o=18233 or send a blank email to leave-18233-466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-18233-466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: pcbernha...@frostburg.edu<mailto:pcbernha...@frostburg.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263003&n=T&l=tips&o=18234 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-18234-13441.4e79e96ebb5671bdb50111f18f263...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<m
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
I appreciate your point about Bem's advice about writing papers, but my sense is that the notion of 'telling a story' in scientific papers predates Bem by decades and has been implicitly promoted in our best journals. It seems to me that legions of scientists have been trained to write research papers in this fashion for years. For example, most methods sections read as if most experiments were executed without the slightest glitch. Really? Perhaps I am totally wrong here, but my bet is that all sorts of events occur in most studies that should reported, but are not because such details are inconsistent with the story we wish to tell. I bet that the research paper-as-a-story is probably partly responsible for much of the selective reporting of literature, methodology, results, etc., that has been going on in most areas of science for a long time. Miguel - Original Message - From: "Jim Clark" To: "Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS)" Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 12:13:16 PM Subject: Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem Hi Part of the problem with Bem's advice to "tell a story" (i.e., "make up a story"?) when writing papers is that one can never be sure what is fact and what is just for the sake of the story. Here, for example, the "tell a story" model makes me skeptical that Bem was as unsympathetic to paranormal phenomena as claimed in the article. After all, isn't the story better if he was really a skeptic and then was forced to change his mind, rather than that he set out to demonstrate something that he already believed? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> "Jeffry Ricker, PhD" 06-Jun-12 7:20 pm >>> Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to Prove ESP Exists >From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never been one to follow >the crowd. by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee >From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 "...Even in the context of a career of irreverence, there was little to suggest that Bem would end up defending the possibility of extrasensory perception, or ESP, which most mainstream scientists consider unworthy of serious inquiry. Through most of his career, he was as dubious about telepathy (mind reading) or precognition (seeing the future) as any of his colleagues. Then data changed his mind" FULL TEXT AT: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-paranormal-circumstances-scientist-mission-esp -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9&n=T&l=tips&o=18207 or send a blank email to leave-18207-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: miguelr...@comcast.net. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce629&n=T&l=tips&o=18233 or send a blank email to leave-18233-466839.0421d1005414eed82340aa280e7ce...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18234 or send a blank email to leave-18234-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Hi Part of the problem with Bem's advice to "tell a story" (i.e., "make up a story"?) when writing papers is that one can never be sure what is fact and what is just for the sake of the story. Here, for example, the "tell a story" model makes me skeptical that Bem was as unsympathetic to paranormal phenomena as claimed in the article. After all, isn't the story better if he was really a skeptic and then was forced to change his mind, rather than that he set out to demonstrate something that he already believed? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> "Jeffry Ricker, PhD" 06-Jun-12 7:20 pm >>> Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to Prove ESP Exists >From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never been one to follow >the crowd. by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee >From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 "...Even in the context of a career of irreverence, there was little to suggest that Bem would end up defending the possibility of extrasensory perception, or ESP, which most mainstream scientists consider unworthy of serious inquiry. Through most of his career, he was as dubious about telepathy (mind reading) or precognition (seeing the future) as any of his colleagues. Then data changed his mind" FULL TEXT AT: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-paranormal-circumstances-scientist-mission-esp -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9&n=T&l=tips&o=18207 or send a blank email to leave-18207-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18233 or send a blank email to leave-18233-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
On Jun 6, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Jeffry Ricker, PhD wrote: > Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to > Prove ESP Exists > From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never been one to follow > the crowd. > by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee > From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 I saw this article today but just noticed it was published May 14th, so it probably already was mentioned on TIPS. Sorry if it's old news to TIPSters. Jeff -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18211 or send a blank email to leave-18211-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] The Psi-chology of Darryl Bem
Paranormal Circumstances: One Influential Scientist's Quixotic Mission to Prove ESP Exists >From his research to his personal life, Daryl Bem's never been one to follow >the crowd. by Yudhijit Bhattacharjee >From the March 2012 issue; published online May 14, 2012 "...Even in the context of a career of irreverence, there was little to suggest that Bem would end up defending the possibility of extrasensory perception, or ESP, which most mainstream scientists consider unworthy of serious inquiry. Through most of his career, he was as dubious about telepathy (mind reading) or precognition (seeing the future) as any of his colleagues. Then data changed his mind" FULL TEXT AT: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/mar/09-paranormal-circumstances-scientist-mission-esp -- - Jeffry Ricker, Ph.D. SCC: Professor of Psychology MCCCD: General Studies Faculty Representative PSY 101 Website: http://sccpsy101.wordpress.com/ - Scottsdale Community College 9000 E. Chaparral Road Scottsdale, AZ 85256-2626 Office: SB-123 Phone: (480) 423-6213 Fax: (480) 423-6298 --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=18207 or send a blank email to leave-18207-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
