Orca running twice
I more or less have the Ubuntu desktop coming up although nautilus does not seem to be stable. For some reason when it starts there are two copies of orca being run. Can someone point me to where to start looking to see why this is happening? Tom -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca running twice
Hello, I was able to get more instances of orca running by pressing and holding down ctrl+s shortcut key while booting live cd after hearing the drums sound. Might this be related? Greetings Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 15:41, Tom Masterson kd7...@gmail.com napísal: I more or less have the Ubuntu desktop coming up although nautilus does not seem to be stable. For some reason when it starts there are two copies of orca being run. Can someone point me to where to start looking to see why this is happening? Tom -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca running twice
Sorry I was in a hurry and probably left out important information. This is on a sys running 11.10 using unit-2d and an older dell laptop. It is not a new install but I did attempt to rebuild the desktop environment by removing ubuntu-desktop and reinstalling it after removing what I knew of the configuration files that might be left behind. Thanks Tom On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, I was able to get more instances of orca running by pressing and holding down ctrl+s shortcut key while booting live cd after hearing the drums sound. Might this be related? Greetings Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 15:41, Tom Masterson kd7...@gmail.com napísal: I more or less have the Ubuntu desktop coming up although nautilus does not seem to be stable. For some reason when it starts there are two copies of orca being run. Can someone point me to where to start looking to see why this is happening? Tom -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
hi Dave, Wondering what has gone wrong? I tryed my usb pen drive both on a netbook and on a machine with I5 processor with 3 gb ram. My netbook has 2gb ram. I made the disk with a sighted assistant using the USB startup disk creater. I absolutely have no problems. I hear the drums sound. As I mentioned before, I wait for about 3 or 4 minutes and select try Ubuntu by just pressing tab and then enter. I again do some guessing and then I press alt + f2 and type orca and hit enter. Now just logout and I get the drum sound. Press ctrl + s and wait for a minute or so and you will hear Orca start talking and every thing is fine from now. I press tab, then enter followed by shift + tab to hear Orca say unity 2dd. Again press enter to select it and come back to username. type Ubuntu and press enter. Hit enter for password. Here I don't get the login music. I am pritty sure though that it does not take more than 15 seconds and I again press alt +f2 and type orca and enter. Now I get all accessibility on Unity 2d. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 21:06, Dave Hunt wrote: Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Hi Charlie, YOu are right, when the try Ubuntu screen comes I get the drum sound. And since I had pressed ctrl + s during the first drum sound, I get Orca talking every time I use the bootable pen drive. I even here it tell me details about Try Ubuntu screen. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 02/04/12 21:55, Charlie Kravetz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 11:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Dave Huntka1...@gmail.com wrote: Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes It looks to me like you are installing to the USB drive, instead of writing the image to it to install later. The drums sound when using the live session, before it is installed to any drive. When the screen Try Ubuntu Install Ubuntu comes up, the drums should sound. Hitting Ctrl+s after those drums starts Orca and allows a screen-reader install. I could be wrong, since I don't use USB drives to do any installations. I only run them from CD-r. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPedLlAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbASw8H/Alj/dCDF2Vx+8eUQSwa6gTc 94iP3DRo4QeIXRxCkkq6JUFb0dEkbFry9aLnLmaBA2TuMvwbodDr2O1aM8PfNPB6 pHGJWgbJvLYTqq5qlEe/6AOdNELp4cu6fw3edqYM8kHLCPc2riudoDuePrJ4HKv0 BDI9Vph92URnEcidaI/Y6/j5mltnBdzBvd0qAKGOP3S8ksJHklpikLCM21rtMExx ssVHhcDGB4HSBGtS171MUb4k/e3qEPp8EdaEE5mLBj+HZjdHwOaNyTfQ87SLW5zf WPCULyjc9xofYQwTPHGGj5phS1talLg5qjRCZIGns0reaSIBI3CaMS5IZnoz1Xc= =l00x -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Hi, I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install. It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, start orca. Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. I start orca in this session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way. This Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then the Unity Service Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and leaving me with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'. Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my user data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the partitions? If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there when I login? I've already backed up the files of interest to another machine on my home network. Cheers, Dave On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted on startup. You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. I have used command Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- - press ctrl+s to start orca - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you should land in the orca window. - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu button and space to activate it - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to launch terminal. I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do in the past. Greetintz Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt ka1...@gmail.com napísal: Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Dave Hunt ka1...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install. It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, start orca. Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. I start orca in this session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way. This Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then the Unity Service Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and leaving me with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'. Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my user data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the partitions? If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there when I login? I've already backed up the files of interest to another machine on my home network. Cheers, Dave When you install to the hard drive, you will no longer have the try Ubuntu choice, and the drums will not play. What we really need is a system sound to tell us the desktop is there now. And, of course, Orca reliable enough to work every time. I think Luke is working is that, but it gets to be a difficult thing when the main team is doing things like making sure no sound can play at login. As for keeping /home from Trisquel 5.5, I am hoping someone jumps in with the right answer. I am not familiar enough with it to say yes or no. - -- Charlie Kravetz Linux Registered User Number 425914 [http://counter.li.org/] Never let anyone steal your DREAM. [http://keepingdreams.com] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPeh0BAAoJEFNEIRz9dxbA/rYH/1tO+CSRZDQ018xgJ3BRJU6h s1Vqx1QCPbImRO+1weECRcK/fT0JU7dFhgxLNs/QqMao539z9Zt46q+0uNiUHk7T 52KYZtRTLLZ0y/TILxPdP9dEtqC0eW405ne6+c0W+hbSzRJwxhsjHyxoCwqWZfXZ SWxwJbE2LlIpbu/OoDsLcHqlyyHqeQaIrLxnabberDwf4iuc05gKeR9z9Web0vw1 syA7ZpqUwnA0se7LpMdH1lrGHYMnR4HFlXtwWQe4uBdp7/X+sO856yT/NVDhc8IY 04qqT/va4z2swR0MTJsqaU520CeFsNcSbpivUNQ4th+OkLaI9YFqXkhkwGqsWVY= =Fh0B -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
On 04/03/2012 07:41 AM, Charlie Kravetz wrote: /snip As for keeping /home from Trisquel 5.5, I am hoping someone jumps in with the right answer. I am not familiar enough with it to say yes or no. I have just updated Vinux 3.0.2 Beta to Vinux 3.0.2 on several boxes. I installed 3.0.2, formatted / partition; but selected ext4, but not check format box for /home partition. Use same user name and password. This won't work on a single partition install, of course. Hth Bill -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
On 02/04/12 16:15, Dave Hunt wrote: Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my user data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the partitions? If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there when I login? I've already backed up the files of interest to another machine on my home network. Right, if /home is on it's own partition, and you don't format it, then it'll be there after the install. One thing to watch out for though, is that if it's a major upgrade, and you use the same user ID, then some things may not work because of the changes in software between the two versions. For example, when I upgraded from Ubuntu 10.10 to Ubuntu 11.04, I couldn't get Orca to talk to me after I logged in. I ended up reinstalling Ubuntu 11.04 and just choosing a different user ID. Everything was still saved, and I could just copy data, settings and the like from my old user's home folder into my new users home folder. Sounds like you're going from Trisquel to Ubuntu 12.04, so I wouldn't be optimistic that you could just use your current home directory and have everything work. On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted on startup. You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. I have used command Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- - press ctrl+s to start orca - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you should land in the orca window. - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu button and space to activate it - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to launch terminal. I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do in the past. Greetintz Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt ka1...@gmail.com napísal: Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes -- Christopher (CJ) chalt...@gmail.com -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: My Trouble Starting Ubuntu 12.04?
Hello, I recommend you to play with live cd a bit whether the crashes are reproducible and try reporting if thats indeed possible in such a broken state you are getting. I know you can choose where to install grub during the install as well as choosing existing partitions with their mount points however i dont know if it can pick your files from other distros. Greetings Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 23:15, Dave Hunt ka1...@gmail.com napísal: Hi, I think the system was booting when I used the unetbootin method, but the thing was acting as if I'd done an install from the cd to a flash drive, and by-passed the special session from which I could install. It brought me into a session with Unity 3d, and I could, sometimes, start orca. Per your suggestion, I jusd did a 'dd' to put the image onto my flash drive. The resulting system has no persistent space but boots. I get the drums sound, I hit 'ctrl+s', get orca, and hit 'try Ubuntu. I start orca in this session. I log out, then hit 'ctrl+s'. I can go to this session selector and get into Unity 2d this way. This Unity 2d session ran for about 5 minutes, then the Unity Service Panel applet crashed, taking all the menus with it, and leaving me with a system where I couldn't even switch apps with 'alt+tab'. Assuming I ever get a sysgem that has reliable accessibility, and no components crash, can I install this to my hard drive, leaving my user data in place? If, for instance, I choose the 'advanced' option in the installer, can I just tell the insaller to not format the partitions? If I choose the same username I use with Trisquel 5.5, will my stuff be there when I login? I've already backed up the files of interest to another machine on my home network. Cheers, Dave On Mon, 2 Apr 2012, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, If you are afraid the image is not properly placed on to an USB drive you might try just dd the iso file on to the proper device while it's unmounted. I did it using this method and it worked. If you think the system is actually booting maybe the sound is muted on startup. You can try switching it on using the multimedia keys if your pc has some or you can blindly try to start a terminal and use alsa-mixer. I have used command Alsa-mixer -c 0 set Master 100% unmute Finally if you can conect the pc to the network using ethernet cable and have another spare computer you migh try installing an running ssh. To try starting the terminal when the live 2012.04 is booted you can- - press ctrl+s to start orca - assuming orca has started eventhough you cant hear the voice you should land in the orca window. - you can alt+tab once to focuss the installer window - in the installer window press tab key once to focuss try ubuntu button and space to activate it - finally wait for the desktop to reload and then press ctrl+alt+t to launch terminal. I know my advices are verry general. This is what i was trying to do in the past. Greetintz Peter Dňa 2.4.2012, o 17:36, Dave Hunt ka1...@gmail.com napísal: Yah, I know, I said I'm giving up, but have trouble doing that. LOL. When I put 12.04 onto a flash drive, I used the unetbootin program, and gave the system as much persistent space as the drive's capacity will allow. When I start the resulting system, I never get the chance to choose an accessible session (no drums or music ever sound). Should I do something differently when making the usb system?I start with the Precise desktop, found in the dailylive directory. Below is how I invoke unetbootin to make this system (ignore line breaks). Any thoughts? Dave sudo unetbootin method=diskimage isofile=/home/dave/Downloads/precise-desktop-i386.iso installtype=USB targetdrive=/dev/sdb persistentspace= autoinstall=yes -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Ubuntu 12.04, live desktop sessions, and Orca.
Hey folks, From reading a few emails on both the Ubuntu accessibility list and the Orca list, I saw many users reporting that when they enabled Orca after live CD startup and then chose to try Ubuntu, that they were taken into a Unity 3D session, which as we all know, is not as accessible as Unity 2D, which is what should load. I'm happy to report that I have reproduced the bug, and have also found a fix. This fix should be in the next daily build of Ubuntu 12.04, which is to be the April 4, 2012 build. If people could please download this daily build, enable Orca at startup as usual, and choose Try Ubuntu, that would be appreciated. You should now be taken into a Unity 2D session. Please let me know if this is not the case for you. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
