Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
snippy snip: > > I'm not going to code a fully themeable GL face-browser for gdm and > hack a ton on gdmsetup. That would make the work ahead of me explode. > Furthermore I also don't want to make to heavy "intrusions" in gdm's > overall framework. I want to make one part of gdm sweet, sexy and > simple... and finish on time :) > Sorry, I should have made clear I was thinking much wider than just the GDM screen here! If you get the face browser done, _then_ it is another argument for someone else (or you, who knows) to implement a UI setup for Ubuntu... The same idea applies to the comments snipped about usplash etc - I was just throwing all my ideas in :) Good luck for the coding, Who -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
On Friday 12/01/2006, Who wrote : > Other considerations that may need to be made are > - Is there a way to set a maximum number of users, above which no face > browser is shown (I.E if there are 300 users on a system - don't load > all the photos!)Other considerations that may need to be made are I think that a search by the first letters of the usernames with the computer only loads the corresponding photos, could be done in this case, to avoid a part of the problem. Are you capable to do that Mirco ? Just my two cents. Nicolas. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 04:13 + schrieb Who:
> > I guess that before nice effect for face browser, the most important is
> > transition effect between boot <-> login <-> session <-> logout <-> shut
> > down.
> >
>
> I think you've got a good point here - the transition is quite scrappy
> and unpolished currently - however is there any way to fix this? as I
> understand it (which is not very well...) unless we want to run GDM in
> the same graphics mode as the usplash (which we don't...) then we
> can't avoid the flashing
Making all those transitions seamless is very involved and actually a
seperate spec. But I'll look into at least the gdm->session transition
to get some bling-love in terms of a subtle fade-in/out... if it won't
distract me from the actual work on the face-browser.
All those transition-issues would not be a hard problem to solve if we
were going from text-mode (kernel booting) right into X11. And there are
also those different heads that might be running... transitions between
them or logging in as another user (while being already logged in) make
this a difficult task.
> The two things I think we could avoid would be
> - The lines of text we get between grub (which would be nicer if it
> wasn't plain text) and usplash ("what's the kernel, why is it
> unpacking an image?" says Joe User)
Hm... that sounds like it's usplash's task.
> - The plain background seen behind the lsplash after login: could we
> make the GDM and the lsplash more unified so that the GDM bg doesn't
> go until the user's desktop has loaded?
Ehm... I'm planning to use the usplash artwork in the face-browser to
provide this unified look (see the mockups).
> - Is there a way to set a maximum number of users, above which no face
> browser is shown (I.E if there are 300 users on a system - don't load
> all the photos!)
I've some ideas for those cases. But I'll have to code and test them
out.
> - How do we make it _easy_ for people to turn face browser off
> _completely_ without seriously damaging the way the GDM theme looks.
>
> Note: laoding no images is different from loading no face browser: if
> there are no images you can still see that there is a user called
> 'monkeyman' on the system, but with no face browser there is no way to
> tell who can log on at all.
>
> To me, it seems like it might be time to have a 'user experience'
> wizard as an optional part of the installer to select things like:
> theme, face browser style, whether to use aiglx, etc. Mandrake had one
> of these when I first tried Linux and it made me aware of all the
> configuration options I had - very simple but helped me discover
> features without being daunting.
I'm not going to code a fully themeable GL face-browser for gdm and
hack a ton on gdmsetup. That would make the work ahead of me explode.
Furthermore I also don't want to make to heavy "intrusions" in gdm's
overall framework. I want to make one part of gdm sweet, sexy and
simple... and finish on time :)
Best regards...
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Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
On 11/28/06, Étienne Bersac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Your work on linux desktop is incredible. Thank you. Keep up the good
> work !
>
> I guess that before nice effect for face browser, the most important is
> transition effect between boot <-> login <-> session <-> logout <-> shut
> down.
>
I think you've got a good point here - the transition is quite scrappy
and unpolished currently - however is there any way to fix this? as I
understand it (which is not very well...) unless we want to run GDM in
the same graphics mode as the usplash (which we don't...) then we
can't avoid the flashing
The two things I think we could avoid would be
- The lines of text we get between grub (which would be nicer if it
wasn't plain text) and usplash ("what's the kernel, why is it
unpacking an image?" says Joe User)
- The plain background seen behind the lsplash after login: could we
make the GDM and the lsplash more unified so that the GDM bg doesn't
go until the user's desktop has loaded?
> Seeing Vista and OS X, Vista has nice face browser, but OS X has far far
> better transition. Screen flickering and other visual noise are far more
> ugly than typing username. I would largely prefer a system with nice
> transition and consistency than a system with eye candy effects for
> basic feature.
>
Other considerations that may need to be made are
- Is there a way to set a maximum number of users, above which no face
browser is shown (I.E if there are 300 users on a system - don't load
all the photos!)
- How do we make it _easy_ for people to turn face browser off
_completely_ without seriously damaging the way the GDM theme looks.
Note: laoding no images is different from loading no face browser: if
there are no images you can still see that there is a user called
'monkeyman' on the system, but with no face browser there is no way to
tell who can log on at all.
To me, it seems like it might be time to have a 'user experience'
wizard as an optional part of the installer to select things like:
theme, face browser style, whether to use aiglx, etc. Mandrake had one
of these when I first tried Linux and it made me aware of all the
configuration options I had - very simple but helped me discover
features without being daunting.
The idea looks really cool, by the way!
Who
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Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
On Fri, 2006-12-01 at 11:54 +0900, Alex Fraser wrote: > > So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be > interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their > username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will > need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still > interactive. That is true. Then it would appear broken which wouldn't be so hot. Mirco's greyed out idea might look neat. It could still contain color but it would be muted. Dreaming here but wouldn't hit be cool if the GDM theme just sorta blended right into the desktop after logging in? I must admit, I wouldn't have even mentioned that had MacSlow not been included in the thread. ;) > -- Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 11:54 +0900 schrieb Alex Fraser: > So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be > interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their > username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will > need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still > interactive. And I should add... make things more transparent (to counter the case every user chose a b/w photo of her/himself). I'll update the mockups for this case. Best regards... MacSlow -- email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] www - http://macslow.thepimp.net lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
Am Freitag, den 01.12.2006, 11:54 +0900 schrieb Alex Fraser: > So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be > interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their > username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will > need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still > interactive. A first idea for this would be to make everything greyed out in this case. Thus it would stick to the look, but clearly indicate that the "some mode" has changed That way Best regards... MacSlow -- email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] www - http://macslow.thepimp.net lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
Hi! Having any browser at all lowers the security a little, because it gives away user names or at least tells you how many users are on the system. That said, I'd love to use a browser like this on my system! On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 18:15 -0800, Chuck Huber wrote: > Well, it was an after thought, that you could keep a similar look by > simply swapping out the faces for a single image that is just as > attractive and maybe shares similar characteristics to the face-browser > itself. So, you're suggesting that the browser should remain, but not be interactive (purely aesthetic)? So the user still needs to type in their username. Sounds good to me, although whatever replaces the browser will need to look different enough that the user doesn't think it's still interactive. Cheers, Alex -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:05 +0100, Mirco Müller wrote: > Greetings Chuck! > The face-browser can be disabled, of course. It's only new that is will > be enabled by default. > OK, this was my main point and I wasn't sure whether your GDM theme would be able to work as a face-browser and non face-browser. > > That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1 > > out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be > > possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in > > place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same > > great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the > > "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers. > > Hm... so do I get you right here... you suggest that in addition to > having the option to simply turn off the face-browser (thus using the > normal gdm-code which is in place already), it should offer mode of > operation using fall-back photos not revealing _any_ actual user-photos > (btw a fall-back photo will be used in the case of the face-browser > being enabled and some user not having provided a photo for the > face-browser)? If that's the case, this would be a bit odd and not make > much sense :) > > Please explain your idea a bit more in detail. > Well, it was an after thought, that you could keep a similar look by simply swapping out the faces for a single image that is just as attractive and maybe shares similar characteristics to the face-browser itself. > -- Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
On Thu, 2006-11-30 at 15:05 +0100, Mirco Müller wrote: > Ok. I've learned that Mark has the final word on what goes in and what > does not "visual appeal"-wise. The spec shows screenshots against a black background. I hope Mark is coordinating that design of the default GDM with the default look for Feisty. There has _always_ existed a design gap between the developers and the design, but perhaps pushing the issue this early could be one baby step towards remedying this problem. Hopefully the 'design' of the system will go a little further in discourse than having the decision based on a few screenshots. The entire orchestration with the rest of Ubuntu's design should be considered -- especially at the point where we have a good deal of latitude. Great work Mirco -- can't wait to see the end product! Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
Greetings Chuck! Am Mittwoch, den 29.11.2006, 21:07 -0800 schrieb Chuck Huber: > As Troy mentioned, you'll have to speak with Mark about "any non-obvious > things in the pipe". :( Ok. I've learned that Mark has the final word on what goes in and what does not "visual appeal"-wise. > I had a thought about your(or any) face chooser and concerns you raised > at the bottom of your wiki page regarding security. As an IT manager > there are times that I don't want to give away ANY more information than > I absolutely have to-- so a face chooser probably won't be a fit on > every machine in any one organization. The face-browser can be disabled, of course. It's only new that is will be enabled by default. > That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1 > out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be > possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in > place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same > great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the > "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers. Hm... so do I get you right here... you suggest that in addition to having the option to simply turn off the face-browser (thus using the normal gdm-code which is in place already), it should offer mode of operation using fall-back photos not revealing _any_ actual user-photos (btw a fall-back photo will be used in the case of the face-browser being enabled and some user not having provided a photo for the face-browser)? If that's the case, this would be a bit odd and not make much sense :) Please explain your idea a bit more in detail. Best regards... Mirco "MacSlow" Müller -- email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] www - http://macslow.thepimp.net lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
Mirco, yes, your work is fantastic and this project looks especially promising. As Troy mentioned, you'll have to speak with Mark about "any non-obvious things in the pipe". :( I had a thought about your(or any) face chooser and concerns you raised at the bottom of your wiki page regarding security. As an IT manager there are times that I don't want to give away ANY more information than I absolutely have to-- so a face chooser probably won't be a fit on every machine in any one organization. That said, your design looks excellent and it would be a shame to let 1 out of a 100 machines slow your progress. Therefore would it be possible to have your face chooser put(non-scrolling) Ubuntu artwork in place of the faces via an option? That way, managers can keep the same great aesthetics as typical desktop computers, but by selecting the "Turn off face browser" feature it can be used for servers. Just an idea, Chuck On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 22:15 +0100, Mirco Müller wrote: > Greetings pixel/vector-pushers! > > I'm new here and as a quick introduction I want to point you to my page > on the ubuntu-wiki... > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Macslow > > For the spec on the face-browser I want to get any possible ideas to > further streamline the mockups with any planned artwork for feisty. Thus > I'm exposing myself and the spec I wrote at UDS 2006 on this > mailing-list. > > Have a look here... > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin > > How to achieve those effects will be my concern so don't just go > "That's impossible!" :) I had the general idea, I'll make sure to put > that into working code. > > I tried to keep the "visual gap" between usplash and gdm (for the case > of the face-browser, which is planned to be on by default for feisty) as > small as possible. But if there are any non-obvious things in the pipe > for feisty in the domain of artwork or general themes/colors, please let > me know. > > Thanks in advance! > > Best regards... > > Mirco "MacSlow" Müller > > -- > email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www - http://macslow.thepimp.net > lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it > > -- Chuck Huber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
Hi, Your work on linux desktop is incredible. Thank you. Keep up the good work ! I guess that before nice effect for face browser, the most important is transition effect between boot <-> login <-> session <-> logout <-> shut down. Seeing Vista and OS X, Vista has nice face browser, but OS X has far far better transition. Screen flickering and other visual noise are far more ugly than typing username. I would largely prefer a system with nice transition and consistency than a system with eye candy effects for basic feature. Also, beware of makeing funky effects instead of professionnal effects. Kind regards, Étienne. -- Verso l'Alto ! signature.asc Description: Ceci est une partie de message numériquement signée -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
2006/11/28, Mirco Müller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Greetings pixel/vector-pushers! I'm new here and as a quick introduction I want to point you to my page on the ubuntu-wiki... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Macslow For the spec on the face-browser I want to get any possible ideas to further streamline the mockups with any planned artwork for feisty. Thus I'm exposing myself and the spec I wrote at UDS 2006 on this mailing-list. Have a look here... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin How to achieve those effects will be my concern so don't just go "That's impossible!" :) I had the general idea, I'll make sure to put that into working code. That's impossible - I mean telling you that there is something you can't do... That's impossible :-) Sounds like a great challenge. If anyone can pull this of, I put my money on you. Cheers, Mikkel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
On Tue, 2006-11-28 at 22:15 +0100, Mirco Müller wrote: > I tried to keep the "visual gap" between usplash and gdm (for the case > of the face-browser, which is planned to be on by default for feisty) as > small as possible. But if there are any non-obvious things in the pipe > for feisty in the domain of artwork or general themes/colors, please let > me know. Unfortunately, the art team has no control over the default look for Feisty. To get it in alignment with the rest of the 'look', whatever it ends up being, this discussing should be taking place between Mark, Cliff, and yourself. Sincerely, TJS signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] getting face-browser visually inline with artwork-plans for feisty
Greetings pixel/vector-pushers! I'm new here and as a quick introduction I want to point you to my page on the ubuntu-wiki... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Macslow For the spec on the face-browser I want to get any possible ideas to further streamline the mockups with any planned artwork for feisty. Thus I'm exposing myself and the spec I wrote at UDS 2006 on this mailing-list. Have a look here... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FaceBrowserLogin How to achieve those effects will be my concern so don't just go "That's impossible!" :) I had the general idea, I'll make sure to put that into working code. I tried to keep the "visual gap" between usplash and gdm (for the case of the face-browser, which is planned to be on by default for feisty) as small as possible. But if there are any non-obvious things in the pipe for feisty in the domain of artwork or general themes/colors, please let me know. Thanks in advance! Best regards... Mirco "MacSlow" Müller -- email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] www - http://macslow.thepimp.net lowfat - http://macslow.thepimp.net/sponsor-it -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
