Re: [ubuntu-uk] Operating System Observation

[Matthew Holder]

Hi,

I was using two examples. My software and the telescope software are
completely different. My software was written in visual studio so
could probably be ported.  Unfortunately I am using a windows API for
the military bus protocol which would not work.

matt

On 10/10/2007, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matthew
>
> No gripes from me, just a bit of curiosity.
>
> The data sampling protocol you referred to, was it re-coded to work in Linux
> using a Linux IDE, or did you use something like the Mono Project to make it
> transportable?
>
> E
>
>
> E
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Holder
> Sent: 10 October 2007 21:41
> To: British Ubuntu Talk
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Operating System Observation
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> Please note, I am merely telling you all about an observation I have
> made, I do not mean to cause a flame war.
>
> I am currently visiting one of the largest satellite building
> companies in Europe. I work for a large University in the UK on the
> same satellite project as the company I am visiting.
>
> When walking around the buildings every room has PCs running windows.
> All of the documents they produce are using word. This amazes me.
> Every four years all of the PCs are replaced (thousands of them), and
> the deal goes to a rather well know company.
>
> I can kind of understand using windows and office for office usage.
> Personally I don't do this, I use Ubuntu on my office PC and I also
> write all of my technical documents using LaTeX as I cannot abide the
> cross referencing tools on either Word or openoffice.org writer.
>
> I suppose in a way I have spat in the face of the people I work with,
> they all recommended I used windows and word, yet I have ignored it. I
> do not believe that I have caused any problems with document
> collaboration because some word docs do not open correctly in
> openoffice (they also dont open correctly on my VM using office), so I
> have to ask the original creator to make changes.
>
> I have written some software using visual studio and visual c++, this
> software acquires data from some hardware and dumps it to a binary
> file. My work is not particularly time critical. However, there is a
> piece of hardware we use that needs to convert from RS422 to another
> standard. Data is generated on the RS422 every 10ms, and conversion
> needs to take place within 30ms.
>
> The timings here are quite tight, and windows just cannot keep up. The
> amount of duff data we receive from the conversion unit because one
> never knows what windows is doing is unbelievable. The software for
> this unit was also written in visual studio using c#.
>
> The person writing this software uses Microsoft IDE, Microsoft
> Programming language and even a Microsoft Access database to store
> configuration information. It appears that his Uni degree was somehow
> linked to microsoft. I cannot understand why a simple text file would
> not be better to store the config data. There are not SO many fields
> that a database file is needed and if the format changes in future
> versions of Visual Studio, then this work could become useless.
>
> I also know of similar timing problems from a linux system. A
> telescope would not track correctly due to linux polling USB. The
> advantage though is that the solution was easier to find in Linux.
>
> I think the EC idea of unbundling windows from new PCs is a good one.
> I have shown at work that I can produce documents on a daily basis
> that are as good or better than those on windows with office. I wish
> more people would give it the chance, and also that they are allowed
> to give it the chance!
>
> Sorry for such a long message. I hope I do not cause arguments, this
> was not my intention!
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Testing a machine with a Live CD

[Mac]

Neil Greenwood wrote:
> I can report that the laptop (Acer TravelMate) worked perfectly out of
> the box with Feisty

Neil >>> Which TravelMate model?

Mac



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] When server is rebooted need to restart cupsys

[Tony Arnold]

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 23:12 +0100, Tom Bamford wrote:
> Does running "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start" work as well as a restart? 
> If cupsys isn't being started at boot, add a symlink in the /etc/rc2.d 
> directory to "/etc/init.d/cupsys" (where 2 is the default runlevel).

You might want to look at the update-rc.d command that will do this for
you. There is a man page for it.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] When server is rebooted need to restart cupsys

[Tom Bamford]

Does running "sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys start" work as well as a restart? 
If cupsys isn't being started at boot, add a symlink in the /etc/rc2.d 
directory to "/etc/init.d/cupsys" (where 2 is the default runlevel).

Regards,
Tom


Mark Allison wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I have ubuntu-server 7.04 running headless. If I reboot the server I 
> can't access my Printer web page - you know the http://localhost:631 
> page? Anyway I hope you know what I mean, lol. It works if I do a
> 
> sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart
> 
> Everything is then fine. I don't want to have to run that command every 
> time the server gets rebooted, any ideas what I need to do? Which logs 
> do I need to look at?
> 
> Cups is version 1.2.8.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mark.
> 


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Operating System Observation

[Ian Pascoe]

Matthew

No gripes from me, just a bit of curiosity.

The data sampling protocol you referred to, was it re-coded to work in Linux
using a Linux IDE, or did you use something like the Mono Project to make it
transportable?

E


E

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Matthew Holder
Sent: 10 October 2007 21:41
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Operating System Observation


Hi All,

Please note, I am merely telling you all about an observation I have
made, I do not mean to cause a flame war.

I am currently visiting one of the largest satellite building
companies in Europe. I work for a large University in the UK on the
same satellite project as the company I am visiting.

When walking around the buildings every room has PCs running windows.
All of the documents they produce are using word. This amazes me.
Every four years all of the PCs are replaced (thousands of them), and
the deal goes to a rather well know company.

I can kind of understand using windows and office for office usage.
Personally I don't do this, I use Ubuntu on my office PC and I also
write all of my technical documents using LaTeX as I cannot abide the
cross referencing tools on either Word or openoffice.org writer.

I suppose in a way I have spat in the face of the people I work with,
they all recommended I used windows and word, yet I have ignored it. I
do not believe that I have caused any problems with document
collaboration because some word docs do not open correctly in
openoffice (they also dont open correctly on my VM using office), so I
have to ask the original creator to make changes.

I have written some software using visual studio and visual c++, this
software acquires data from some hardware and dumps it to a binary
file. My work is not particularly time critical. However, there is a
piece of hardware we use that needs to convert from RS422 to another
standard. Data is generated on the RS422 every 10ms, and conversion
needs to take place within 30ms.

The timings here are quite tight, and windows just cannot keep up. The
amount of duff data we receive from the conversion unit because one
never knows what windows is doing is unbelievable. The software for
this unit was also written in visual studio using c#.

The person writing this software uses Microsoft IDE, Microsoft
Programming language and even a Microsoft Access database to store
configuration information. It appears that his Uni degree was somehow
linked to microsoft. I cannot understand why a simple text file would
not be better to store the config data. There are not SO many fields
that a database file is needed and if the format changes in future
versions of Visual Studio, then this work could become useless.

I also know of similar timing problems from a linux system. A
telescope would not track correctly due to linux polling USB. The
advantage though is that the solution was easier to find in Linux.

I think the EC idea of unbundling windows from new PCs is a good one.
I have shown at work that I can produce documents on a daily basis
that are as good or better than those on windows with office. I wish
more people would give it the chance, and also that they are allowed
to give it the chance!

Sorry for such a long message. I hope I do not cause arguments, this
was not my intention!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] RM ?169 linux-ok notebook

[Ian Pascoe]

Ah yes I remember them well.

3D O and X - great fun!

A couple of the guys even managed to get a fairly decent gorse race
simulation running on a 480Z - we had a white and a black one at school with
cassette storage - the bees knees!

First introduction to basic and Z80 assembly language too.

Mind you innocence is so nice - in the early 80s the question would have
been what's Unix?

Oh, and we were all self taught as the school didn't start formal computer
lessons until the early 90s - 7 years after I left!

E

-Original Message-
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Sent: 10 October 2007 09:40
To: British Ubuntu Talk
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] RM ?169 linux-ok notebook



>
> Wow, that is real nostalga, they had one of those RML 380-Z machines
> at
> my school but it was considered an antique when I was there back in
> the
> early 90's.  First taste of RM I had was the RM Nimbus PCs.
>


AAAHHAHAHAA!!! RM!

*Runs screaming as fast as possible in opposite direction.

There's a name for cowboys like RM. Its not a good one.

Their kit and software tends to be:
a) buggy
b) overpriced
c) buggy
d) proprietory lock-in (Yes, worse than just MS Windoze)
e) slow
f) buggy

I used to go to a school, who got all computers & services from RM. We had
at least one major system failure a year. (As in, all computers down.) The
Sasser worm was great fun. Running round every PC with a floppydisk,
containing the norton free fix... all 250 of them. One. At. A. Stupidly.
Slow. Time.

At the time, I was trying to do my ICT A levels... great fun having a popup
on the screen telling you your systems shutting down, in the middle of a
lesson...

Oh yes, and never *ever* shutdown the servers. Never. They don't like it.
Oh, and reboot at least once every two weeks. (As I left, there were 5
servers, up from 2 when I started to get involved in the ICT department...)

Ahh.. the fun days before I ever knew about Ubuntu...

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[ubuntu-uk] Gutsy Release Party

[Darren Mansell]

Just to let everyone know the SBLUG (Birmingham) is having a release 
party for Gutsy a week tomorrow on launch date (18th Oct)

I'm booked to do a small talk and demo of the new features of Gutsy so 
everything is likely to go wrong with my laptop.

Details are here:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/GutsyReleaseParty (top section)

Should be a good turnout :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tag Lines?

[Chris Rowson]

> Well, I'm still working on it :D You can see a prototype ad in the
> sidebar of my blog. See http://crunchbang.org/ and look down the right
> column for the Ubuntu add - if you refresh the page the add copy
> should change.

Great I love it!

When you've finished I'd love to put it on my blog.

Cheers

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[ubuntu-uk] Operating System Observation

[Matthew Holder]

Hi All,

Please note, I am merely telling you all about an observation I have
made, I do not mean to cause a flame war.

I am currently visiting one of the largest satellite building
companies in Europe. I work for a large University in the UK on the
same satellite project as the company I am visiting.

When walking around the buildings every room has PCs running windows.
All of the documents they produce are using word. This amazes me.
Every four years all of the PCs are replaced (thousands of them), and
the deal goes to a rather well know company.

I can kind of understand using windows and office for office usage.
Personally I don't do this, I use Ubuntu on my office PC and I also
write all of my technical documents using LaTeX as I cannot abide the
cross referencing tools on either Word or openoffice.org writer.

I suppose in a way I have spat in the face of the people I work with,
they all recommended I used windows and word, yet I have ignored it. I
do not believe that I have caused any problems with document
collaboration because some word docs do not open correctly in
openoffice (they also dont open correctly on my VM using office), so I
have to ask the original creator to make changes.

I have written some software using visual studio and visual c++, this
software acquires data from some hardware and dumps it to a binary
file. My work is not particularly time critical. However, there is a
piece of hardware we use that needs to convert from RS422 to another
standard. Data is generated on the RS422 every 10ms, and conversion
needs to take place within 30ms.

The timings here are quite tight, and windows just cannot keep up. The
amount of duff data we receive from the conversion unit because one
never knows what windows is doing is unbelievable. The software for
this unit was also written in visual studio using c#.

The person writing this software uses Microsoft IDE, Microsoft
Programming language and even a Microsoft Access database to store
configuration information. It appears that his Uni degree was somehow
linked to microsoft. I cannot understand why a simple text file would
not be better to store the config data. There are not SO many fields
that a database file is needed and if the format changes in future
versions of Visual Studio, then this work could become useless.

I also know of similar timing problems from a linux system. A
telescope would not track correctly due to linux polling USB. The
advantage though is that the solution was easier to find in Linux.

I think the EC idea of unbundling windows from new PCs is a good one.
I have shown at work that I can produce documents on a daily basis
that are as good or better than those on windows with office. I wish
more people would give it the chance, and also that they are allowed
to give it the chance!

Sorry for such a long message. I hope I do not cause arguments, this
was not my intention!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Alec Wright]

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 21:31 +0100, Philip Newborough wrote:
> Well I was going to download the Beta tonight while at work, however
> it appears to have been pulled from the servers to make way for the
> release candidate. Oh well.
Daily builds work just as well: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[norman]

< snip >
> > 
> > Thanks, I can understand that, it's just that I thought I would have to
> > give permission for something to be loaded.
 
> > 
> You probably did. The packages stored in the archives are packages that 
> you downloaded, or dependencies for those packages (which you would have 
> agreed to download when you downloaded the original package) - at least 
> as far as I know. I think the main point is that it keeps copies of the 
> packages you download so that if you decide to reinstall them it doesn't 
> have to get them again. Also, it means that if a download halts partway 
> through, you dont have to re-download the packages you have already got.
> 
> I hope all that is right - i'm sure i'll be corrected if it isn't

Right or wrong it all sounds very reasonable and understandable, thanks.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Philip Newborough]

On 10/10/2007, Alec Wright <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 10:19 +0100, Philip Newborough wrote:
> > I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
> > organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
> > opinions on which version to take along?
> Gutsy. When I'm installing Ubuntu for anyone else, I use a beta if it's
> available. I'd never give anyone anything pre-beta (eg RC1) though.
>
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Well I was going to download the Beta tonight while at work, however
it appears to have been pulled from the servers to make way for the
release candidate. Oh well.

The front page of ubuntu.com is still advertising it though!?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[Wulfy]

Alan Pope wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 11:35 +0100, Wulfy wrote:
>   
>> norman wrote:
>> 
>>> However, I am still puzzled. How can a package which I have removed
>>> reappear all by itself?
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>   
>> If the plugin depends on the version of Gimp that you removed, dpkg 
>> would reinstall it as a (reverse) dependency...
>> 
>
> dpkg doesn't do dependancies. gdebi, add/remove, synaptic and
> apt/aptitude do however.
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>   
Yes, of course.  I should have said "the package management system would 
reinstall..."

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[Chris Oattes]

norman wrote:
>>> Do you mean that even though I think I have removed a package it is
>>> stored somewhere on the hard drive and is accessible to some utility
>>> or other in Ubuntu?
>> Yes there is a cache in /var/cache/apt/archives/ so it might have still
>> been there, but if it wasn't and was a dependency of the plugin you
>> installed apt would have downloaded the package from the repository
>> server on the internet.
> 
> Thanks, I can understand that, it's just that I thought I would have to
> give permission for something to be loaded.
> 
> Norman
> 
> 
You probably did. The packages stored in the archives are packages that 
you downloaded, or dependencies for those packages (which you would have 
agreed to download when you downloaded the original package) - at least 
as far as I know. I think the main point is that it keeps copies of the 
packages you download so that if you decide to reinstall them it doesn't 
have to get them again. Also, it means that if a download halts partway 
through, you dont have to re-download the packages you have already got.

I hope all that is right - i'm sure i'll be corrected if it isn't

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[norman]

> > Do you mean that even though I think I have removed a package it is
> > stored somewhere on the hard drive and is accessible to some utility
> > or other in Ubuntu?
> 
> Yes there is a cache in /var/cache/apt/archives/ so it might have still
> been there, but if it wasn't and was a dependency of the plugin you
> installed apt would have downloaded the package from the repository
> server on the internet.

Thanks, I can understand that, it's just that I thought I would have to
give permission for something to be loaded.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [ADMIN] Next meeting 13/10/07 @ 20:30 BST in #ubuntu-uk

[Chris Oattes]

> 
> I saw this today on Planet Debian: http://layer-acht.org/blog/debian/#1-129
> 
> The wiki page is at: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
> 
> Not sure if the team uses bots already but thought I'd at least
> suggest looking into it.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Philip

MeetBot is a brilliant idea (but I would say that - I wrote the first 
versions of it :P)

MeetBot is a copy of the code of Mootbot, which I wrote at the beginning 
of the year for Ubuntu-UK meetings, when I realised that compiling the 
minutes of the meeting was a real pain.

Mootbot is currently in the ubuntu-uk channel, and is (afaik) used for 
meetings already.

Chris Oattes. (irc.freenode.net - Seeker`)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [ADMIN] Next meeting 13/10/07 @ 20:30 BST in #ubuntu-uk

[Matthew Larsen]

Just letting you know I'm gonna be out of the area with no net
connection :( sorry! E-mail me the minutes though

Regards,

On 10/10/2007, Philip Newborough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 06/10/2007, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The next Ubuntu-UK Team meeting will be held via IRC at 20:30 BST
> > (that's 19:30 UTC) on Saturday 13th October 2007 in #ubuntu-uk.
> >
> > We encourage everyone who is a member of the UKTeam to attend whether to
> > take part or merely watch from the sidelines.
> >
> > If you have anything in particular you would like to table for
> > discussion at the meeting, please add it to the following page:-
> >
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20071013Meeting
> >
> > You will need a launchpad account to edit this page.
> >
> > If you would rather not register on launchpad then feel free to mail me
> > or reply to this post with items for discussion and someone else can add
> > the item(s) for you.
> >
> > Please note however if you wish to discuss something then it makes sense
> > for you to turn up at the meeting or it may get passed over.
> >
> > We try to keep the meeting to just one hour, but if there is a lot to
> > discuss then we may overrun. Once the meeting is over we usually post
> > the log to the page linked above pretty much immediately, then over the
> > next few days whoever chaired the meeting disseminates the information
> > into a more manageable summary on the same page.
> >
> > Hope to see you there.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Al.
>
> I saw this today on Planet Debian: http://layer-acht.org/blog/debian/#1-129
>
> The wiki page is at: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot
>
> Not sure if the team uses bots already but thought I'd at least
> suggest looking into it.
>
> Regards
>
> Philip
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [ADMIN] Next meeting 13/10/07 @ 20:30 BST in #ubuntu-uk

[Philip Newborough]

On 06/10/2007, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The next Ubuntu-UK Team meeting will be held via IRC at 20:30 BST
> (that's 19:30 UTC) on Saturday 13th October 2007 in #ubuntu-uk.
>
> We encourage everyone who is a member of the UKTeam to attend whether to
> take part or merely watch from the sidelines.
>
> If you have anything in particular you would like to table for
> discussion at the meeting, please add it to the following page:-
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/MeetingNotes/20071013Meeting
>
> You will need a launchpad account to edit this page.
>
> If you would rather not register on launchpad then feel free to mail me
> or reply to this post with items for discussion and someone else can add
> the item(s) for you.
>
> Please note however if you wish to discuss something then it makes sense
> for you to turn up at the meeting or it may get passed over.
>
> We try to keep the meeting to just one hour, but if there is a lot to
> discuss then we may overrun. Once the meeting is over we usually post
> the log to the page linked above pretty much immediately, then over the
> next few days whoever chaired the meeting disseminates the information
> into a more manageable summary on the same page.
>
> Hope to see you there.
>
> Cheers,
> Al.

I saw this today on Planet Debian: http://layer-acht.org/blog/debian/#1-129

The wiki page is at: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

Not sure if the team uses bots already but thought I'd at least
suggest looking into it.

Regards

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tag Lines?

[Matthew Larsen]

sweet, that would be awesome on my companies intranet ;)

On 10/10/2007, Philip Newborough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > So phill, whatever happened to the stuff you were working on?
> >
>
> Well, I'm still working on it :D You can see a prototype ad in the
> sidebar of my blog. See http://crunchbang.org/ and look down the right
> column for the Ubuntu add - if you refresh the page the add copy
> should change.
>
> However, that is just the output. I'm trying to put together the
> beginnings of an advocacy project - once it's at a stage where it's at
> least works I'll stick it up on Launchpad and so that anyone can feel
> free to hack it to pieces :D
>
> Cheers
>
> Philip
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[Robert McWilliam]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 17:44:03 +0100
norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Do you mean that even though I think I have removed a package it is
> stored somewhere on the hard drive and is accessible to some utility
> or other in Ubuntu?

Yes there is a cache in /var/cache/apt/archives/ so it might have still
been there, but if it wasn't and was a dependency of the plugin you
installed apt would have downloaded the package from the repository
server on the internet.


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[ubuntu-uk] When server is rebooted need to restart cupsys

[Mark Allison]

Hi there,

I have ubuntu-server 7.04 running headless. If I reboot the server I can't
access my Printer web page - you know the http://localhost:631 page? Anyway
I hope you know what I mean, lol. It works if I do a

sudo /etc/init.d/cupsys restart

Everything is then fine. I don't want to have to run that command every time
the server gets rebooted, any ideas what I need to do? Which logs do I need
to look at?

Cups is version 1.2.8.

Thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tag Lines?

[Philip Newborough]

On 10/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So phill, whatever happened to the stuff you were working on?
>

Well, I'm still working on it :D You can see a prototype ad in the
sidebar of my blog. See http://crunchbang.org/ and look down the right
column for the Ubuntu add - if you refresh the page the add copy
should change.

However, that is just the output. I'm trying to put together the
beginnings of an advocacy project - once it's at a stage where it's at
least works I'll stick it up on Launchpad and so that anyone can feel
free to hack it to pieces :D

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Alec Wright]

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 10:19 +0100, Philip Newborough wrote:
> I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
> organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
> opinions on which version to take along?
Gutsy. When I'm installing Ubuntu for anyone else, I use a beta if it's
available. I'd never give anyone anything pre-beta (eg RC1) though.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[norman]

O
> > 
> > > > However, I am still puzzled. How can a package which I have removed
> > > > reappear all by itself?
> > > >
> > > > Norman
> > > If the plugin depends on the version of Gimp that you removed, dpkg 
> > > would reinstall it as a (reverse) dependency...
> > 
> > I am not very computerate, obviously, but from where did dpkg get the
> > package?
> 
> apt will download packages from the repositories to satisfy
> dependencies. 

Do you mean that even though I think I have removed a package it is
stored somewhere on the hard drive and is accessible to some utility or
other in Ubuntu?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] idea for screencast

[Matthew Holder]

Links as requested:

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Encrypted-Ubuntu-7-04-61312.shtml
http://www.howtoforge.com/truecrypt_data_encryption
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedFilesystemHowto
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/?action=fullsearch&value=encryptedfilesystem&titlesearch=Titles

On 10/10/2007, Skippy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > If it could touch on making encrypted loop back files too
> > (say a file on a hard drive or USB pen drive) that
> > would be good.  I'm sure it would certainly be interesting
> > for those users who have sensitive documents on?
> > their computers (who may be moving over from the likes of
> > Windows XP Home which doesn't support encryption as
> > far as I'm aware).
>
> You can get halfway there with TrueCrypt, but it has to be sorted before
> anything that depends on the files is loaded.
>
>  - http://portableapps.com/node/239 for a view
>
> However TC requires run as an Administrator on the computer you are on, as
> it loads its self as device drivers.
>
> Also saw this http://www.richskills.com/products/7/freeversion.asp, not sure
> what it is...
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tag Lines?

[Matthew Larsen]

So phill, whatever happened to the stuff you were working on?

On 08/10/2007, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On 08/10/2007, James Grabham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ubuntu - cos were better than you.  And we know it.  :D
> >
> > (yes I did steal it from dodgeball)
> >
> > Seriously though
> >
> > I think it needs to explain what Ubuntu is, and what an OS is, as well as
> saying how easy it is, and of course that its free, and up to date.  -  This
> could be difficult
> >
> >
> > On 10/2/07, Philip Newborough < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Hello list
> > >
> > > I'm working on some web based adverts to do a little Ubuntu advocacy.
> > > Now I know you 'orrible lot are a talented bunch [FYI - that was some
> > > flattery] so I thought I'd ask for your ideas and opinions.
> > >
> > > Basically there's an image based link along with a text based link.
> > > The images are already sorted but the text based links need a little
> > > creative thinking. The format goes like this:
> > >
> > > Ubuntu Linux, <--insert tag line with 10 words or less-->
> > >
> > > The tag line needs to sell Ubuntu as best as it can. Serious and
> > > comical suggestions welcome :-)
> > >
> > > Any help is greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Phil/.
> > >
> > > P.S. No points for suggesting "Linux for Human Beings!" :D
> >
>
> Hi there- Ubuntu for troublefree excitement, or Free rides with Ubuntu or
> The Best Things in Life are trouble-free- including Ubuntu...
>
> Caroline
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[ubuntu-uk] Interesting article - "Why don't Windows users switch to Macs" we could learn from

[Mark Harrison]

Interesting article at Zdnet about why Windows Users don't switch to Mac.

http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=847&tag=nl.e539


One of the core reasons that the author quotes is: "The Linux effect"

 > The “anything but Microsoft” card that Apple is playing is losing 
traction
 > given that Linux distros are now becoming a credible alternative.
 > Why pay for a Mac when you can load Linux onto your existing rig
 > and still be rid of Microsoft? Also, the Linux communities seem to
 > be far more open and trustworthy that Apple is being as of late.

One of the reasons that he also quotes is that the Microsoft-bashing in the
Mac camp is putting Windows users off.

Well worth a read - interesting to see that WE are seen as a big reason
why people aren't turning to Apple any more :-)

Mark



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] idea for screencast

[Skippy]

> If it could touch on making encrypted loop back files too 
> (say a file on a hard drive or USB pen drive) that
> would be good.  I'm sure it would certainly be interesting 
> for those users who have sensitive documents on?
> their computers (who may be moving over from the likes of 
> Windows XP Home which doesn't support encryption as
> far as I'm aware).

You can get halfway there with TrueCrypt, but it has to be sorted before
anything that depends on the files is loaded.

 - http://portableapps.com/node/239 for a view

However TC requires run as an Administrator on the computer you are on, as
it loads its self as device drivers. 

Also saw this http://www.richskills.com/products/7/freeversion.asp, not sure
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] idea for screencast

[Rob Beard]

Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 14:14 +0100, Matthew Holder wrote:
>> Maybe I am missing one that already exists, I propose a screencast to
>> be made about encrypting partitions.
>>
> 
> Great idea.
> 
>> I have seen many guides and think that a video may make things clearer.
>>
> 
> Throw some links at us and I'm sure we can knock something up :)
> 
>> Any thoughts on the matter? Or people willing to make the video?
>>
> 
> o/
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

If it could touch on making encrypted loop back files too (say a file on 
a hard drive or USB pen drive) that would be good.  I'm sure it would 
certainly be interesting for those users who have sensitive documents on 
their computers (who may be moving over from the likes of Windows XP 
Home which doesn't support encryption as far as I'm aware).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] idea for screencast

[Matthew Holder]

On 10/10/2007, Dave Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 14:25 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 14:14 +0100, Matthew Holder wrote:
> > > Maybe I am missing one that already exists, I propose a screencast to
> > > be made about encrypting partitions.
> > >
> >
> > Great idea.
> >
> > > I have seen many guides and think that a video may make things clearer.
> > >
> >
> > Throw some links at us and I'm sure we can knock something up :)
> 
>
> Are you aware the new Ubiquity installer for Gutsy offers this as an
> 'advanced option', with the choice of encrypting everything except /boot
> (obviously).
>

I was aware of this, but, on downloading the alternate install disk
(like I read somewhere) I could not see the option. Can you advise
please? Maybe on a different mail?

matt

> Kind Regards,
> Dave Walker
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Dave Walker]

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 13:54 +0100, Rob Beard wrote:

> 
> Not sure how well Ubuntu Gutsy would run on an Athlon XP 1700 with 512MB 
> memory though.
> 
> Rob
> 

Suck it and see?  I've ran Feisty on a 650Mhz 192Mb RAM machine - so i'd
think your comparable 'powerhorse' should run Gutsy without any problems
(maybe not Compiz tho).

If it does appear sluggish, there is also the Xubuntu (XFCE) release
that runs better on lower spec machines.

Kind Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] idea for screencast

[Dave Walker]

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 14:25 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 14:14 +0100, Matthew Holder wrote:
> > Maybe I am missing one that already exists, I propose a screencast to
> > be made about encrypting partitions.
> > 
> 
> Great idea.
> 
> > I have seen many guides and think that a video may make things clearer.
> > 
> 
> Throw some links at us and I'm sure we can knock something up :)


Are you aware the new Ubiquity installer for Gutsy offers this as an
'advanced option', with the choice of encrypting everything except /boot
(obviously).

Kind Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] idea for screencast

[Alan Pope]

Hi,

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 14:14 +0100, Matthew Holder wrote:
> Maybe I am missing one that already exists, I propose a screencast to
> be made about encrypting partitions.
> 

Great idea.

> I have seen many guides and think that a video may make things clearer.
> 

Throw some links at us and I'm sure we can knock something up :)

> Any thoughts on the matter? Or people willing to make the video?
> 

o/


Cheers,
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[ubuntu-uk] idea for screencast

[Matthew Holder]

Hi All,

Maybe I am missing one that already exists, I propose a screencast to
be made about encrypting partitions.

I have seen many guides and think that a video may make things clearer.

Any thoughts on the matter? Or people willing to make the video?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Rob Beard]

Philip Newborough wrote:
> On 10/10/2007, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Philip Newborough wrote:
>>> Hello list
>>>
>>> I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
>>> organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
>>> opinions on which version to take along?
>>>
>>> I've got a feeling I'll probably end up taking a mix, however it'd be
>>> nice to hear what your opinions are.
>>>
>>> BTW - I'm still running Feisty and have yet to try Gutsy, I really
>>> should pull my finger out and try the Beta but my systems are running
>>> very smoothly at the mo and I have quite a bit of work on.
>>>
>>> More info about the meeting can be read at:
>>> http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/09/lincs-lug-meeting-and-install-party/
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Philip
>>>
>> Are the participants going to be new users?
>>
> To be honest, I'm not sure. It's at the University and I'm assuming
> it's been advertised on the notice boards and such like. I know the
> Uni already uses some Ubuntu and Debian based machines so it maybe
> only those already with some Linux experience turn up.
> 
>> I'd say take along both and try both versions and see how they run.  I'm
>> in a similar situation, I'm installing Ubuntu on a work colleague's home
>> PC, I'm not sure if I should install 7.04 or ask them to hang on a
>> fortnight and install 7.10 (although saying that, I have a feeling their
>> hard drive is on the way out, at least something in their PC is making a
>> knocking noise) so that might decide it for them.
>>
>> Rob
> 
> Good luck with that - it sounds a bit ominous :D
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Philip
> 

Thanks, yep turns out the drive is duff, I've let them know, by the time 
they're back from holiday Gutsy will be out anyway :-)

Not sure how well Ubuntu Gutsy would run on an Athlon XP 1700 with 512MB 
memory though.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[Alan Pope]

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 11:35 +0100, Wulfy wrote:
> norman wrote:
> > However, I am still puzzled. How can a package which I have removed
> > reappear all by itself?
> >
> > Norman
> If the plugin depends on the version of Gimp that you removed, dpkg 
> would reinstall it as a (reverse) dependency...

dpkg doesn't do dependancies. gdebi, add/remove, synaptic and
apt/aptitude do however.

Cheers,
Al.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[Robert McWilliam]

On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 12:38:21 +0100, "norman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> 
> > > However, I am still puzzled. How can a package which I have removed
> > > reappear all by itself?
> > >
> > > Norman
> > If the plugin depends on the version of Gimp that you removed, dpkg 
> > would reinstall it as a (reverse) dependency...
> 
> I am not very computerate, obviously, but from where did dpkg get the
> package?

apt will download packages from the repositories to satisfy
dependencies. 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[norman]

> > However, I am still puzzled. How can a package which I have removed
> > reappear all by itself?
> >
> > Norman
> If the plugin depends on the version of Gimp that you removed, dpkg 
> would reinstall it as a (reverse) dependency...

I am not very computerate, obviously, but from where did dpkg get the
package?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Pete Stean]

Gutsy is still breaking things from time to time for me - not
something you want to put a new user through, and would hardly give a
good impression. Get hold of some of the nice shiny pre-pressed Feisty
live disks if you can...

Pete

On 10/10/2007, Philip Newborough <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/10/2007, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 10:19 +0100, Philip Newborough wrote:
> > > I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
> > > organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
> > > opinions on which version to take along?
> > >
> >
> > Personally I would not install gutsy on someone elses computer. My
> > computers are my responsibility, if I balls them up I have nobody else
> > to blame but me.
> >
> > How about installing feisty and giving them instructions on how to
> > upgrade to gutsy when it releases - maybe show them a screencast :)
> >
> > http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/11_Updating_and_Upgrading
> >
> > That one shows how to upgrade from one release to another.
> >
> > > I've got a feeling I'll probably end up taking a mix, however it'd be
> > > nice to hear what your opinions are.
> > >
> >
> > You could also take Gutsy alternate CDs, so that you could install
> > feisty, and give them the alternate CD to upgrade from (if they wish),
> > then it's their responsibility if they naff it up.
> >
> > > BTW - I'm still running Feisty and have yet to try Gutsy, I really
> > > should pull my finger out and try the Beta but my systems are running
> > > very smoothly at the mo and I have quite a bit of work on.
> > >
> >
> > I run Gutsy on three laptops and one server and Feisty on one desktop
> > and my main server. I'm loving Gutsy.
> >
> > > More info about the meeting can be read at:
> > > http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/09/lincs-lug-meeting-and-install-party/
> > >
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Take photos, and if you spend a lot of time doing ubuntu based
> > activities you could blog it and submit the link to Ubuntu Weekly News.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Al.
>
> Thanks Al, you confirmed what I was thinking. Even though I've only
> heard good things about Gutsy I'd still feel more comfortable using
> the current version.
>
> I think I'll end up burning a few disks and also taking my laptop
> along with the iso files -- that way if anyone wants a copy I can
> quickly burn one off.
>
> And thanks too for the idea about the photos!
>
> Cheers
>
> Philip
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Philip Newborough]

On 10/10/2007, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Philip Newborough wrote:
> > Hello list
> >
> > I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
> > organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
> > opinions on which version to take along?
> >
> > I've got a feeling I'll probably end up taking a mix, however it'd be
> > nice to hear what your opinions are.
> >
> > BTW - I'm still running Feisty and have yet to try Gutsy, I really
> > should pull my finger out and try the Beta but my systems are running
> > very smoothly at the mo and I have quite a bit of work on.
> >
> > More info about the meeting can be read at:
> > http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/09/lincs-lug-meeting-and-install-party/
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Philip
> >
>
> Are the participants going to be new users?
>
To be honest, I'm not sure. It's at the University and I'm assuming
it's been advertised on the notice boards and such like. I know the
Uni already uses some Ubuntu and Debian based machines so it maybe
only those already with some Linux experience turn up.

> I'd say take along both and try both versions and see how they run.  I'm
> in a similar situation, I'm installing Ubuntu on a work colleague's home
> PC, I'm not sure if I should install 7.04 or ask them to hang on a
> fortnight and install 7.10 (although saying that, I have a feeling their
> hard drive is on the way out, at least something in their PC is making a
> knocking noise) so that might decide it for them.
>
> Rob

Good luck with that - it sounds a bit ominous :D

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Philip Newborough]

On 10/10/2007, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 10:19 +0100, Philip Newborough wrote:
> > I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
> > organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
> > opinions on which version to take along?
> >
>
> Personally I would not install gutsy on someone elses computer. My
> computers are my responsibility, if I balls them up I have nobody else
> to blame but me.
>
> How about installing feisty and giving them instructions on how to
> upgrade to gutsy when it releases - maybe show them a screencast :)
>
> http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/11_Updating_and_Upgrading
>
> That one shows how to upgrade from one release to another.
>
> > I've got a feeling I'll probably end up taking a mix, however it'd be
> > nice to hear what your opinions are.
> >
>
> You could also take Gutsy alternate CDs, so that you could install
> feisty, and give them the alternate CD to upgrade from (if they wish),
> then it's their responsibility if they naff it up.
>
> > BTW - I'm still running Feisty and have yet to try Gutsy, I really
> > should pull my finger out and try the Beta but my systems are running
> > very smoothly at the mo and I have quite a bit of work on.
> >
>
> I run Gutsy on three laptops and one server and Feisty on one desktop
> and my main server. I'm loving Gutsy.
>
> > More info about the meeting can be read at:
> > http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/09/lincs-lug-meeting-and-install-party/
> >
>
> Good luck!
>
> Take photos, and if you spend a lot of time doing ubuntu based
> activities you could blog it and submit the link to Ubuntu Weekly News.
>
> Cheers,
> Al.

Thanks Al, you confirmed what I was thinking. Even though I've only
heard good things about Gutsy I'd still feel more comfortable using
the current version.

I think I'll end up burning a few disks and also taking my laptop
along with the iso files -- that way if anyone wants a copy I can
quickly burn one off.

And thanks too for the idea about the photos!

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[Wulfy]

norman wrote:
> However, I am still puzzled. How can a package which I have removed
> reappear all by itself?
>
> Norman
If the plugin depends on the version of Gimp that you removed, dpkg 
would reinstall it as a (reverse) dependency...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[norman]

< snip >
> 
> You didn't say, but I'm assuming that you're installing the plugin
> through synaptic too.

No, I downloaded the file ans installed it the usual way by double
clicking the icon produced.
> 
> I would guess that the plugin you're trying to install is targetted at
> the old version of Gimp. So it's a problem with the dependencies of
> that plugin package.

You are absolutely correct. I looked carefully at the website with the
plugin and it is targeted to the old version of Gimp. To be pedantic,
the so called old version of gimp is not so old and the new version is
beta, I think.
> 
> The easiest thing to do is raise a bug against the plugin package,
> asking for it to support the new Gimp version. Other than that, you'd
> have to download the package source and hack the dependencies -- I've
> never tried this, so I don't know how easy/hard it is.

I hope that by the time Gimp 2.4 is released the plugins, where
necessary, will also be updated.

However, I am still puzzled. How can a package which I have removed
reappear all by itself?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Rob Beard]

Philip Newborough wrote:
> Hello list
> 
> I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
> organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
> opinions on which version to take along?
> 
> I've got a feeling I'll probably end up taking a mix, however it'd be
> nice to hear what your opinions are.
> 
> BTW - I'm still running Feisty and have yet to try Gutsy, I really
> should pull my finger out and try the Beta but my systems are running
> very smoothly at the mo and I have quite a bit of work on.
> 
> More info about the meeting can be read at:
> http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/09/lincs-lug-meeting-and-install-party/
> 
> Regards
> 
> Philip
> 

Are the participants going to be new users?

I'd say take along both and try both versions and see how they run.  I'm 
in a similar situation, I'm installing Ubuntu on a work colleague's home 
PC, I'm not sure if I should install 7.04 or ask them to hang on a 
fortnight and install 7.10 (although saying that, I have a feeling their 
hard drive is on the way out, at least something in their PC is making a 
knocking noise) so that might decide it for them.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Alan Pope]

Hi,

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 10:19 +0100, Philip Newborough wrote:
> I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
> organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
> opinions on which version to take along?
> 

Personally I would not install gutsy on someone elses computer. My
computers are my responsibility, if I balls them up I have nobody else
to blame but me.

How about installing feisty and giving them instructions on how to
upgrade to gutsy when it releases - maybe show them a screencast :)

http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/MoS2007/11_Updating_and_Upgrading

That one shows how to upgrade from one release to another.

> I've got a feeling I'll probably end up taking a mix, however it'd be
> nice to hear what your opinions are.
> 

You could also take Gutsy alternate CDs, so that you could install
feisty, and give them the alternate CD to upgrade from (if they wish),
then it's their responsibility if they naff it up.

> BTW - I'm still running Feisty and have yet to try Gutsy, I really
> should pull my finger out and try the Beta but my systems are running
> very smoothly at the mo and I have quite a bit of work on.
> 

I run Gutsy on three laptops and one server and Feisty on one desktop
and my main server. I'm loving Gutsy.

> More info about the meeting can be read at:
> http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/09/lincs-lug-meeting-and-install-party/
> 

Good luck!

Take photos, and if you spend a lot of time doing ubuntu based
activities you could blog it and submit the link to Ubuntu Weekly News.

Cheers,
Al.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] war stories, was: RM £169 linux-ok notebook

[Philip Newborough]

On 10/10/2007, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Kirrus,
>
> On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 09:40 +0100, Kirrus wrote:
> > AAAHHAHAHAA!!! RM!
> >
>
> Heh. I know a few people who have that same reaction :(.
>
> > I used to go to a school, who got all computers & services from RM. We
> > had at least one major system failure a year. (As in, all computers
> > down.) The Sasser worm was great fun. Running round every PC with a
> > floppydisk, containing the norton free fix... all 250 of them. One.
> > At. A. Stupidly. Slow. Time.
>
> To be fair I've been at a few corporate sites where viruses have taken
> out most of the machines.
>
> Best example I have is..
>
> About 3-4 years ago I was asked to do a weeks work in the USA - Palo
> Alto. I decided to take my own personal laptop with me so I could watch
> programmes on the plane, and generally entertain myself when bored. It
> was running Debian at the time.
>
> I arrived at the customer office on the first day and was taken to a
> Dilbert-style cube where I had a chair, a desk, network cable and power
> socket. The head of the office said "I'll send over the network guy to
> help you setup your laptop". At which point I said "but it's my own
> personal laptop, not a work one". He didn't seem bothered by this (most
> companies I work at won't let you plug your own laptop into their
> network).
>
> I grabbed a coffee and sat down in my cube waiting for the network guy.
> A few minutes later someone turned up with an IP address written on a
> post-it note. This was the network guy. He said "before I give you this
> static IP, I need to ask a couple of questions about your laptop". "Uh,
> ok" I said. "Firstly, what anti-virus software do you use on your
> laptop?".
>
> At this point I thought it could all go horribly wrong, and I could get
> ejected from the building, however it went better than I thought.
>
> "Well, I don't run Windows you see.." is how I started. At which point
> the guy said "Oh, you run Linux, oh that's fine then, here, here's your
> IP address, I'm sure you can sort yourself out." and away he went.
>
> Sure enough I was able to connect to the networked laserjet printer,
> access other network applications and basically do my job effectively.
>
> About half an hour after I was given access there was a lot of wailing
> and gnashing of teeth coming from another cube. (I had never worked in a
> Dilbert-style cube-farm before, and noticed that everyone stands up like
> mere-cats, looking over the partitions when there is a comotion).
>
> One of the guys had been hit by some virus or worm on his work windows
> machine. He actually said something to the effect of "stuff this, I'm
> off to play golf" because his computer was completely unusable.
>
> So there's me, with my Linux laptop, working, and him, with his windows
> machine, constantly rebooting, while he is out playing golf.
>
> I'm sure there's a moral there, and I'm not sure who was the "winner"
> overall. You decide for yourself :)
>
> (by the way, I hate golf).
>
> Cheers,
> Al.
>
I was once that guy :| Back in the day when I was responsible for IIS
servers at a company I once worked. One morning every system got hit
by the CodeRed worm. From what I can remember [I try to forget those
dark days] I spent the entire week checking and cleaning files. It
wouldn't have been so bad except that it hit both development and
production environments and infected not only our company files but
those of our clients too.

Needless to say, I learned a few important lessons that week!

Cheers

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] RM £169 linux-ok notebook

[Rob Beard]

Kirrus wrote:
> d) proprietory lock-in (Yes, worse than just MS Windoze)

Oh yes, I remember when I was at school, educational software was 
written specifically for the RM Nimbus, it would run on an RM Machine 
but not on any other PC forcing the schools who bought the software to 
invest solely in RM machines.  The school I was at started to get rid of 
the RM machines and started to get generic white box desktops running 
Windows 3.1 by the time I left.

> 
> I used to go to a school, who got all computers & services from RM. We had at 
> least one major system failure a year. (As in, all computers down.) The 
> Sasser worm was great fun. Running round every PC with a floppydisk, 
> containing the norton free fix... all 250 of them. One. At. A. Stupidly. 
> Slow. Time.
> 
> At the time, I was trying to do my ICT A levels... great fun having a popup 
> on the screen telling you your systems shutting down, in the middle of a 
> lesson...
> 
> Oh yes, and never *ever* shutdown the servers. Never. They don't like it. Oh, 
> and reboot at least once every two weeks. (As I left, there were 5 servers, 
> up from 2 when I started to get involved in the ICT department...)
> 
> Ahh.. the fun days before I ever knew about Ubuntu...
> 

Were they NT servers?  When I was at school they started with a RM 
Nimbus VX/2 (or something like that) which was a 286 Machine with 4MB 
ram, something like a massive 60MB hard drive all running OS/2.  By the 
time I left they had upgraded to a couple of servers, with one being a 
meaty 486-DX/2 66 with 16MB Ram and about 200MB of storage.

For those fortunate to not know what we're talking about, have a look here:

http://old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=1011&st=1

Rob

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[ubuntu-uk] Gutsy or Feisty for install party?

[Philip Newborough]

Hello list

I'm off to an install party tomorrow night and I've arranged with the
organiser to take along some Ubuntu disks. Basically, what are your
opinions on which version to take along?

I've got a feeling I'll probably end up taking a mix, however it'd be
nice to hear what your opinions are.

BTW - I'm still running Feisty and have yet to try Gutsy, I really
should pull my finger out and try the Beta but my systems are running
very smoothly at the mo and I have quite a bit of work on.

More info about the meeting can be read at:
http://crunchbang.org/archives/2007/10/09/lincs-lug-meeting-and-install-party/

Regards

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[ubuntu-uk] war stories, was: RM £169 linux- ok notebook

[Alan Pope]

Hi Kirrus,

On Wed, 2007-10-10 at 09:40 +0100, Kirrus wrote:
> AAAHHAHAHAA!!! RM!
> 

Heh. I know a few people who have that same reaction :(.

> I used to go to a school, who got all computers & services from RM. We
> had at least one major system failure a year. (As in, all computers
> down.) The Sasser worm was great fun. Running round every PC with a
> floppydisk, containing the norton free fix... all 250 of them. One.
> At. A. Stupidly. Slow. Time. 

To be fair I've been at a few corporate sites where viruses have taken
out most of the machines. 

Best example I have is.. 

About 3-4 years ago I was asked to do a weeks work in the USA - Palo
Alto. I decided to take my own personal laptop with me so I could watch
programmes on the plane, and generally entertain myself when bored. It
was running Debian at the time.

I arrived at the customer office on the first day and was taken to a
Dilbert-style cube where I had a chair, a desk, network cable and power
socket. The head of the office said "I'll send over the network guy to
help you setup your laptop". At which point I said "but it's my own
personal laptop, not a work one". He didn't seem bothered by this (most
companies I work at won't let you plug your own laptop into their
network).

I grabbed a coffee and sat down in my cube waiting for the network guy.
A few minutes later someone turned up with an IP address written on a
post-it note. This was the network guy. He said "before I give you this
static IP, I need to ask a couple of questions about your laptop". "Uh,
ok" I said. "Firstly, what anti-virus software do you use on your
laptop?".

At this point I thought it could all go horribly wrong, and I could get
ejected from the building, however it went better than I thought.

"Well, I don't run Windows you see.." is how I started. At which point
the guy said "Oh, you run Linux, oh that's fine then, here, here's your
IP address, I'm sure you can sort yourself out." and away he went.

Sure enough I was able to connect to the networked laserjet printer,
access other network applications and basically do my job effectively.

About half an hour after I was given access there was a lot of wailing
and gnashing of teeth coming from another cube. (I had never worked in a
Dilbert-style cube-farm before, and noticed that everyone stands up like
mere-cats, looking over the partitions when there is a comotion).

One of the guys had been hit by some virus or worm on his work windows
machine. He actually said something to the effect of "stuff this, I'm
off to play golf" because his computer was completely unusable.

So there's me, with my Linux laptop, working, and him, with his windows
machine, constantly rebooting, while he is out playing golf.

I'm sure there's a moral there, and I'm not sure who was the "winner"
overall. You decide for yourself :)

(by the way, I hate golf).

Cheers,
Al.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] package removal.

[Neil Greenwood]

Hi Norman,

On 09/10/2007, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I had 2 versions of Gimp on my machine and I only wanted one, so I
> removed the old, unwanted package using synaptic. I then tried to
> install a plugin in the remaining package. Imagine my amazement when not
> only was the plugin not installed in the version of Gimp remaining but
> it was installed in the old version which had miraculously reappeared.
>
> What must I do to ensure that the old version stays well and truly
> removed, please?
>
> Norman

You didn't say, but I'm assuming that you're installing the plugin
through synaptic too.

I would guess that the plugin you're trying to install is targetted at
the old version of Gimp. So it's a problem with the dependencies of
that plugin package.

The easiest thing to do is raise a bug against the plugin package,
asking for it to support the new Gimp version. Other than that, you'd
have to download the package source and hack the dependencies -- I've
never tried this, so I don't know how easy/hard it is.

Hwyl,
Neil.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Testing a machine with a Live CD

[Neil Greenwood]

On 09/10/2007, Colin Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wednesday 03 October 2007 15:55:26 Neil Greenwood wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > What programs do people run on a new machine that's booted off the
> > Live CD to check that everything is working/supported?
> >
> It may be obvious, but I check for things that I know to be broken, to some
> extent, in the current, installed, version.  For me, this was Kaffeine and
> the need the for the cx88-dvb module to be loaded manually.  In 7.10 I can
> say it works out of the box.
>

I was checking a new machine, rather than the next version of Ubuntu.

I can report that the laptop (Acer TravelMate) worked perfectly out of
the box with Feisty, including Compiz on the ATI Radeon mobile (open
source drivers)! Going to Gutsy as soon as the CD finishes downloading
and I can burn it...


Hwyl,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] RM £169 linux-ok notebook

[Kirrus]

> 
> Wow, that is real nostalga, they had one of those RML 380-Z machines
> at 
> my school but it was considered an antique when I was there back in
> the 
> early 90's.  First taste of RM I had was the RM Nimbus PCs.
> 


AAAHHAHAHAA!!! RM!

*Runs screaming as fast as possible in opposite direction.

There's a name for cowboys like RM. Its not a good one. 

Their kit and software tends to be:
a) buggy
b) overpriced
c) buggy
d) proprietory lock-in (Yes, worse than just MS Windoze)
e) slow
f) buggy

I used to go to a school, who got all computers & services from RM. We had at 
least one major system failure a year. (As in, all computers down.) The Sasser 
worm was great fun. Running round every PC with a floppydisk, containing the 
norton free fix... all 250 of them. One. At. A. Stupidly. Slow. Time.

At the time, I was trying to do my ICT A levels... great fun having a popup on 
the screen telling you your systems shutting down, in the middle of a lesson...

Oh yes, and never *ever* shutdown the servers. Never. They don't like it. Oh, 
and reboot at least once every two weeks. (As I left, there were 5 servers, up 
from 2 when I started to get involved in the ICT department...)

Ahh.. the fun days before I ever knew about Ubuntu...

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] RM £169 linux-ok notebook

[Rob Beard]

Sean Miller wrote:
> 
> http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/10/09/rm_asus_launches_minibook/
> 
> 
> 
> Ah, nostalgia... I still remember the RML 380-Z that we had at school... 
> vt220 presentation (or maybe it was vt100) and the most clunky keys 
> imaginable...
> 
> Wonder if the "Hangman" on this laptop is as good as the one I remember 
> from school ;-)
> 
> Sean
> 

Wow, that is real nostalga, they had one of those RML 380-Z machines at 
my school but it was considered an antique when I was there back in the 
early 90's.  First taste of RM I had was the RM Nimbus PCs.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] RM £169 linux-ok notebook

[Mac]

Sean Miller wrote:
> Ah, nostalgia... I still remember the RML 380-Z that we had at school...



Oh, yes!  Cutting edge stuff, that.  And at the time brilliant - a 
revelation!

Mac



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