Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/03/2016 04:09 AM, Felmon Davis wrote:
> I used to use POP (and it's still set up on a couple of my machines
> albeit not currently in use) but mainly I'm on IMAP. what I liked
> about POP was the ease of making local backups of email. it's been a
> couple of yrs since I've explored options in IMAP but that's probably
> not a big issue now.

You should be able to configure your IMAP client to download messages
for "offline" mode.  There is also an archive function.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 05:57 PM, toki wrote:
>> Also, if you're leaving email on a POP server for a period of time,
> it's going to be there when someone comes looking for it.
>
> That is not the threat model I was addressing.

Then what was it?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 05:08 PM, toki wrote:
> If, as is usually done with IMAP, the email is stored on a server that
> is neither owned, nor operated, nor controlled by the recipient of the
> email, then the security issue is the IMAP vendor turning that email
> over to third parties without your knowledge, authorization, or consent.
> US Law is clear that such email _can_ legally be turned over to third
> parties, if certain specific conditions are met. It is extremely
> difficult for IMAP users to be out of compliance with those specific
> conditions. The irony here is that when the law was passed, not only was
> the norm to be out of compliance, but the being in compliance with those
> conditions took a series of active steps, on the part of the end user.
> Back then, no matter how hard Joe Sixpack tried, he would not have in
> compliance with those conditions.(Ah, the days when 100 kb mailboxes
> were the norm, and mail sysadmins were ruthless about delting your
> email, regardless of your desires.)

If you're worried about that then any email server is a risk, other than
your own.  Until recently, all email was sent as plain text over the
public Internet.  It was very easy to intercept.  Also, if you're
leaving email on a POP server for a period of time, it's going to be
there when someone comes looking for it.  If you really want security,
the answer is, as it has been for centuries, use encryption.  Many
people already do that with PGP or X.509 certificates.  Always assume
the "enemy" can eavesdrop on your communications, so protect the content
with encryption.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 03:46 PM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
> Thunderbird is a database of information.  The fact that there is no
> data replication built in is not the inhibiting factor to doing so.

It is an email client, nothing more.  If you want replication, you're
going to need some means for all clients to sync.  An IMAP server does
precisely that.

> The  use of Key Exchange for the data replication suggests a way of
> safely internally exchanging the replicated data.
> Most of the engine to use it is already in Thunderbird.
> Please see
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/digitally-signing-and-encrypting-messages
>
>
> Why are they not applicable "serverless mail synchronization of local
> mail stores"?

Key exchange is simply a method of exchanging encryption keys.  I
mentioned this earlier in the context of directory servers.  However
those are not the same as syncing email over multiple devices and,
again, key exchange requires a server.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 12:06 PM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> IMAP is a security risk that increases the attack surface area. YaHoo, 
>> > should I say more.
> No, you really shouldn't, because you obviously don't know what you're
> talking about.
>
> The only thing IMAP *might* have in common with Yahoo is that Yahoo
> *may* support the protocol (whether or not it does, and if so how well,
> is another question that I have zero interest in, because anyone who
> uses it for email is someone who doesn't have a clue).

Yahoo has supported IMAP for a few years now.  Of course they're not the
only IMAP provider. 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 03/02/2016 11:32 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
> IMAP is a pre-existing condition.
>
> The ability for POP clients to keep all of their shared clients
> current is a glaring omission that should be rectified.
> I regret not having the ability to do this myself.

I guess you don't know much about the history of email.  Originally,
people read their email on the computer it was delivered to.  Then POP
allowed them to download to another computer, such as those new fangled
"PCs".  POP was never intended to be used by more than one device. 
Simply leaving a message on the server for a period of time, so that it
could be read on another device, was nothing more than a hack to get
around the limitations of POP.  What you're asking for is a complete
redesign of POP and you still won't have what IMAP is designed to do. 
Also, how is IMAP a security problem, given that the entire Internet is
not secure and mail servers are finally moving to StartTSL to encrypt
between servers.  I run my own IMAP server and access it only via SSL/TLS

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 02/29/2016 11:18 AM, Paul D. Mirowsky wrote:
> The unique possibility to SyncPOP instead of IMAP is an interesting
> proposal.
> I would feel far more secure if Thunderbird directly re-aligned itself
> on different machines I use then have it floating out on the web.
> If LibreOffice where to take control of Thunderbird, would it be able
> to become part of an overall system to legitimize document sharing in
> both e-mail client and documents?

To have synced POP, you'd need all devices to sync with each other. 
Given that many are only on part time, that would be a real task.  You'd
need a server somewhere to manage it.  Perhaps an IMAP server?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Thunderbird potential as the official/default email-client for LO? Re: [board-discuss] BoD decision from 2015-10-05

[James Knott]

On 02/28/2016 11:21 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
> The only thing about Thunderbird, for me right now, was the "chore" it
> was to to switch systems when the one it was on, since 2010, is now
> down for repairs.  It was not geared for syncing your email between
> two or more systems - i.e. desktop, laptop, and maybe tablet -
> according to everything I have read.

Then you're using the wrong protocol.  If you are using POP, you will
not have syncing between systems.  If you use IMAP, you will.  With
IMAP, the messages, including sent email, are retained on the server,
where any device or app can access them.  I have two computers, with my
choice of Linux, Windows 7 or Windows 10, a tablet and smart phone.  All
of them have access to all my email.

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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.1: Sweet, subtle, and necessary polish - TechRepublic

[James Knott]

I came across this article today.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/libreoffice-5-1-sweet-subtle-and-necessary-polish/?ftag=TRE475558a=12825460


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Avery 8167 label printing

[James Knott]

On 02/11/2016 03:33 AM, Steve Edmonds wrote:
> And there is the distinction between precision and accuracy. You can
> be very precisely inaccurate.

I guess you've never studied Calculus, where the answer often
approaches, but never actually reaches some value.  You can get closer
and closer, but never actually get that value.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re:

[James Knott]

And it's all nonsense.  The bible is provably fiction.


On 01/21/2016 06:32 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> and also we and all belivers of divine religions convince monotheism
> and eternity of god.
> also we believe that prophet jesus is alive and appeare with emam
> mahdi peace be upon him. who is rescue for all mankind.
>
> On 1/21/16, James E. Lang  wrote:
>> -Original Message-
>> From: nasrin khaksar < >
>> To: jim+...@lang.hm
>> Sent: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 1:39
>> Subject:
>>
>> hi jim.
>> thanks for your answer.
>>
>> [You are very welcome. You were entitled the respect of the best answer I
>> could give. My primary usage of LibreOffice is its spreadsheet
>> functionality. -- jl]
>>
>> -->8=
>>
>> we believe that prophet jesus is divine messenger and servant of god.
>>
>> [We believe much more. We believe that there is one God, the creator of
>> everything including time itself, who exists eternally (with neither
>> beginning nor end) in three persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit). Jesus of
>> Nazareth (Christ, the Anointed One, Messiah) is God the Son himself who
>> lived on earth in human form and who died a physical death on a Roman cross
>> in our place as the only final and perfect sacrifice for our sins. He rose
>> from the grave on the third day. See Philippians chapter 2 verses 1 through
>> 11 in the Holy Bible. We believe there is no other way to reconcile with God
>> (Jehovah) than to accept His sacrifice in our place for our sin. I am aware
>> that Islamic theology teaches differently but I pray that you will receive
>> the teachings in the Holy Bible with an open mind and a joyful heart. Jesus
>> said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but
>> by Me." He also said, speaking of Jehovah, "I and my Father are one." He is
>> who He says He is or He is a false prophet being either a blatant blasphemer
>> or a lunatic. You cannot simply classify Him as a "divine messenger and
>> servant of god (sic)." -- jl]
>>
>> -->8=
>>
>> --
>> Jim
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re:

[James Knott]

On 01/21/2016 08:12 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
> but the religion of islam
> is the last divine religion that all prophets

That is until the next one comes along.  Before Islam, Jews and then
Christians both claimed they had the last word.  No doubt there will be
some other "prophet" coming along claiming to know the "truth".

Bottom line, it's all nonsense that ignores reality.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] question about the best version of libreoffice:

[James Knott]

On 01/20/2016 03:15 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
> Please leave superstitious nonsense (like the stuff below) out of
> posts to lists that are about real-world technology.

+1


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice:

[James Knott]

On 01/20/2016 03:49 AM, Erik Jan wrote:
>
> The beauty of the free world is that everyone is free to speak their
> mind. You are free to think and proclaim that religion is
> superstition, and others are free to think and proclaim God's mercy. 

As history and recent events have proven, those who believe in religion
are all too often the cause of violence.  When you believe in a
delusion, you can use it to justify anything, up to and including the
recent murders committed in "God's" name.  Religion is a cancer this
world can well do without.

If "believers" kept their delusions to themselves, this world would be a
much better place.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Use of Spanish accents in Libreoffice

[James Knott]

On 12/30/2015 04:08 PM, Arthur Luthold wrote:
> How do you type in accents, the tilda, or the two dots (umlaut in german)?
>
> Arthur Luthold
>

One method I use is to have more than one keyboard layout available. 
Both Linux and Windows support this so that you can select the layout
you wish at any time.  I have my system configured with U.S. English,
U.S. International and Greek layouts.  I don't work in any other
language, but sometimes want the special characters that come with those
layouts.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Win 10

[James Knott]

On 12/12/2015 05:21 PM, John Boyle wrote:
> To Users: I belong to a computer club, and today we had a presentation
> on WIN 10 and how much of a headache it really is to install, even for
> professionals. I would like to know what version of LibreOffice has
> even a chance to work with WIN 10???
>

The latest version of LibreOffice works in W10.

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Re: [libreoffice-users]

[James Knott]

On 11/29/2015 12:11 PM, Al Leibovitch wrote:
> Program installed successfully, but can not open.
>
> On Sun, Nov 29, 2015 at 7:09 AM, James Knott <james.kn...@rogers.com
> <mailto:james.kn...@rogers.com>> wrote:
>
> On 11/28/2015 09:53 PM, Al Leibovitch wrote:
> > I had Libre Office for a few years, but when my laptop was
> formatted, the
> > program was lost. I have tried many times to recover and Volcy
> .com has
> > also tried unsuccessfully. Can you offer any suggestions? Thank
> you   Al
> > Leibovitch
> >
>
> What do you mean by "recover"?  Are you trying to restore from a
> backup?  Why not just install the latest version from
> www.libreoffice.org <http://www.libreoffice.org>?
>
>

What happens?  Any error messages?

BTW, your reply should have gone to the list, not just me.


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[libreoffice-users] The UK government embraces open source with the help of LibreOffice - TechRepublic

[James Knott]

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/the-uk-government-embraces-open-source-with-the-help-of-libreoffice/?tag=nl.e011_cid=e011=e011=TRE475558a


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Re: [libreoffice-users] The UK government embraces open source with the help of LibreOffice - TechRepublic

[James Knott]

On 11/11/2015 12:36 PM, jorge wrote:
> It looks like a Troll with a web site, isn't it ?



What are you talking about???

Jack Wallen has long written articles about open source software.

BTW, it's not necessary to send to both me and the list.  I read the
list and prefer to keep the mail there.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Too many messages on this mailing list?? How to avoid being swamped ...

[James Knott]

On 10/18/2015 11:15 PM, jorge wrote:
>   As I remember there is an option for example in Evolution mail program
> to let or not the original mail in the server. Is an option of the user.
> This option we check when start a new account.

Other email apps, such as Thunderbird and Seamonkey, also allow you to
leave email on a POP server for a specified period of time.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] introducing my self and a gift for appreciation to you:

[James Knott]

Apparently his religion allows him to violate this list by posting
religious crap.


On 10/07/2015 08:29 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote:
> Can this junk be stopped please?
>
>
> On 2015-10-06 20:54, nasrin khaksar wrote:
>> in the name of god the most compassionate the most merciful.
>> hello every one.
>> my name is zahra.
>> i used microsoft office before.
>> but since we can not buy the payed softwares and my religion does not
>> allow to violate the right of others,
>> and i wanted to use the computer according to my religion and with the
>> legal way,
>> i decided to use free softwares since last year.
>> i searched in the internet for the free softwares for one year.
>> my sleep was only 2 or 3 hours in the night and most of the times i
>> tried and tested different free softwares.
>> since i am blind, i should test programs first for to select free
>> softwares and the second accessibility for me was very important to
>> use this programs.
>> after one year efferts and search, i found my favorite programs in
>> different aspects. like: multemedia, screen reader, writing program,
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>> i spent many times for finding an accessible, free and opensource
>> program replacement for microsoft office.
>> i found your program libreoffice the best.
>> for its translation to most languages, for accessibility, for its
>> compatibility to the microsoft documents, for its completeness and the
>> best point: the intimacy, kindness, support and help between the
>> members of your group.
>> for this reason i wanted to appreciate you for sincere efferts and
>> your great program libreoffice.
>> i have a gift for you for all of you one of the english translations
>> of the holy quran.
>> the message of god for all mankind, in the all universe in all times,
>> the message for salvation of mankind in this world and the hereafter,
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>> justice, friendship, goodness and happiness for all mankind.
>> the holy quran encourages his followers to appreciate kindness of
>> others.
>> reply them better or returnthere goodness and do good with the same.
>> And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better
>> [greeting] than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all
>> things.
>> for this reason its my duty to be grateful to you, your kindness, for
>> your great software and efferts for helping other people, and i offer
>> my gift to you.
>> for any question about the english translation of the holy quran, for
>> any question about the islam and your idea andyour  experiment, be in
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>> and for reading more books and morerecognition about islam, please
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>> this website has many useful books in different aspects of islam.
>>
>> for recieving my giftplease  download it from one of the following
>> links:
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>>
>> or
>> https://docs.google.com/uc?authuser=0=0B0IwVPzAoZd6Y2NzNnhtNWo4Wk0=download
>>
>>
>> the best website address that i mentioned has many books about islam
>> in various languages is:
>> www.al-islam.org
>>
>> i am very happy to be contact with me and share your ideas, questions,
>> and so on.
>>
>> god bless you. from: zahra.
>


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[James Knott]

On 09/16/2015 02:20 PM, Robert Watt wrote:
> Taking the above in account, which ‘version’ of Libre Office is compatible  
> with the latest version of Mac OSX (my Mac Mini is at v’10.10.5 Yosemite).

Go to www.libreoffice.org and download the latest version.  While I
can't speak specifically about your situation, LibreOffice is an
excellent office suite that's compatible with MS Office formats, as well
as the ISO standard OpenDocument formats.  As the help desk suggested
it, I assume it's OK for your needs.  So, why not give it a try?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[James Knott]

On 09/17/2015 03:25 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
> In particular, this is not an alternative
> editor for MS Office documents.

Your comments are contrary to the experiences of many who have used
LibreOffice and OpenOffice for years.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Libra Office on a Mac Mini (compared to Ms Office or default installed iWorks Apps)

[James Knott]

On 09/17/2015 08:04 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
> Am 17.09.2015 um 13:08 schrieb James Knott:
>> On 09/17/2015 03:25 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
>>> In particular, this is not an alternative
>>> editor for MS Office documents.
>> Your comments are contrary to the experiences of many who have used
>> LibreOffice and OpenOffice for years.
>>
>>
>>
> As an ODF suite, it is an alternative to MSOffice indeed. However it is
> not a good alternative if you store your work in MSOffice formats all
> the time. Macro compatibility is close to zero (nice try at best).
>
>

Well, I've never had any issue with MS documents and I have never run MS
Office on my own computers.  Given the comments made by the OP, I
suspect LibreOffice is entirely suitable form them.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Android version

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On 09/14/2015 08:41 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
> Does anyone know if it installs onto the device itself so that it's usable
> off-line?

AndrOffice works off line.  However, your friend should test it before
he goes.  Also, while it works on a tablet, I'd hate to use it on a phone.

There are currency converters, on Google Play, that might be more
appropriate, though I haven't used any of them.



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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0.1 Open-Source Productivity Suite at a Glance

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I came across this article recently:

http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/slideshows/libreoffice-5.0.1-open-source-productivity-suite-at-a-glance.html?utm_medium=email_campaign=EWK_NL_WHN_20150907_STR6L1=272322735=22079222


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Help asked

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On 08/26/2015 05:12 AM, Derrence Ross wrote:
 I have created a Document under Libreoffice
 I had an attachment that I wanted to send with it
 but could not see how to do it.
 Can you help me?
 D.Ross



Normally, attachments are used with email.  Is that what you're trying
to do?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

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On 08/20/2015 06:12 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
 I miss the depth of old BYTE! magazine reviews.

I have every print issue of Byte on my shelf, right from the first,
Sept. 1975.  I bought my first subscription, at the Ottawa Hamfest in
1975, from the original publisher, Wayne Green.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

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On 08/18/2015 04:24 PM, zed wrote:
 James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:

 I just came across this article.


 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992

 The review seems to be of LibreOfice v4.0.  So, a little out of date :-)

 David

Someone else, possibly from Australia also saw 4.0, whereas I see 5.0. 
I guess that's what happens when you're upside down.  ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Is anybody else having problems with Windows 10 / LO 5.0

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On 08/19/2015 06:25 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 LO 5 is experimental (beta at best).

Not according to www.libreoffice.org.

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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

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I just came across this article.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review Rating | PCMag.com

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Yeah, I noticed it wasn't the greatest article too.


On 08/18/2015 04:35 PM, elderdanlewis wrote:
  He found LibreOffice lacking somewhat; I find his article lacking as 
 well. He said that it will create flat databases which it will.But he failed 
 to mention that it also creates relational databases. Nor did he mention that 
 it can be used as the front end for other databases.
 ( Just spouting off a little. )

 Dan

  Original message 
 From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com 
 Date:08/18/2015  2:22 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
 To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org 
 Subject: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 5.0 Review  Rating | PCMag.com 

 I just came across this article.

 http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2418419,00.asp?mailing_id=1431647mailing=whatsnewnowmailingID=E2768DCC83E0602F9C1DB70A73032992




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: bad links on Libreoffice download page

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On 08/06/2015 08:52 PM, V Stuart Foote wrote:
 All LibreOffice archive builds  (including the latest 5.0.0.5 release) in
 the packaging of your choice:

  

I see there's now a 64 bit Windows version available.  Does the 32 bit
version have to be uninstalled first?

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [OT] Operating Environment Survey

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On 07/25/2015 09:35 AM, Graham P Davis wrote:
 We only had log tables; standard slide rules weren't allowed as they
 were too inaccurate. Drifting a bit more OT, ball-point pens weren't allowed 
 either, only fountain pens.

 To put this in some sort of perspective, I left school in 1962 aged 18.

Did they have slide rules way back then?  ;-)

We used them in physics and electricity  electronics classes.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey

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On 07/23/2015 04:40 AM, Gary Collins wrote:
 We didn't have computers at all at school

We didn't either.  I had a FORTRAN class in grade 12 and filled in
pencil mark cards, which the teacher took to the board office, to run on
the computer there.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]

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On 07/22/2015 07:28 PM, anne-ology wrote:
I thoroughly enjoyed the way these massive machines were portrayed
 in the movies -
 filling an entire room, whirrin' with lights a-flashin'

I used to maintain that sort of computer.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey [Kubuntu Linux]

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On 07/22/2015 04:38 PM, toki wrote:
 Not even the science fiction of the fifties and sixties anticipated that
 by the end of the twentieth century, computers would be as  ubiquitous
 as they were.

I have a Tricorder app for my Android phone.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey

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On 07/21/2015 07:15 AM, Gary Collins wrote:
 My first home computer was a BBC micro (anyone remember those?) That was back 
 in the days when programming had to be really tight, only had 32Kb (yes, Kb) 
 of RAM; long term storage was all external on cassette tapes

My first computer was an IMSAI 8080, which I built up from bare boards
and a bag of parts.  I also had to buy a memory card and some I/O for
it.  I initially loaded in software via switches on the front panel and
then saved to cassette.  Back in those days, you knew your computer
inside out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMSAI_8080

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

[James Knott]

On 07/19/2015 07:52 AM, Rob Jasper wrote:
 Getting a system running by inserting the bootstrapper papertape on the first 
 punched holes

On my first computer, I had to use the front toggle several bytes into
memory, before there was anything to run.  I also worked on some Data
General Nova computers which had the boot loader option.  I also worked
on a PDP-8i, where I had to toggle in the RIM loader before it could boot.


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Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

[James Knott]

On 07/18/2015 05:56 PM, Tom Williams wrote:
 Comments about how
 Linux is good for basic things and not good for productivity.

Tell that to all the scientists who use supercomputers.  The vast
majority of them, including my cousin, run Linux.  Also, a while ago,
all the computers on the International Space Station were switched from
Windows to Linux.

http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/open-source-insider/2013/05/international-space-station-adopts-debian-linux-drop-windows-red-hat-into-airlock.html

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-space-station-switches-from-windows-to-linux-for-improved-reliability

Apparently viruses can even survive in space!

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/nov/12/international-space-station-virus-epidemics-malware

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

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On 07/18/2015 11:00 AM, Gary Dale wrote:
 And after looking at Windows 8, it seems to be getting worse, not better. 

I have to use 8.1 on my work computer and have 10 in a virtual machine. 
While 10 is an improvement on 8.1, it's still nowhere near what W7 was.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] [OT] Operating Environment Survey

[James Knott]

On 07/18/2015 09:25 PM, James E Lang wrote:
 The big discussion of Linux over the past 24+ hours has me wondering: What 
 operating environment(s) do other members of this list use at home and at 
 work? What factors influence the choice?


Personal:
All computers run openSUSE 13.1
ThinkPad E520 came with Windows 7 and can dual boot
Run Windows 10 in VirtualBox
Google Nexus 5 phone and Nexus 7 tablet

Work: (I didn't choose either of these.)
ThinkPad X131e running Windows 8.1
iPhone 6


I like Linux, ThinkPads and Android.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Editing an html page

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On 07/01/2015 02:55 PM, Regina Henschel wrote:
 Hi Luuk,

 Luuk schrieb:
 On 1-7-2015 20:21, Regina Henschel wrote:
 Hi John,

 I guess, you run into this bug
 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=48887


 If it is true that LO cannot open a file, .

 than you have a point

 No, the issue is not about opening the file (that is fixed already)
 but the issue is, that images are no longer linked, but converted to
 Base64 and embedded. 

Then perhaps you should submit a bug report.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)

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On 06/25/2015 10:05 AM, James E Lang wrote:
 PDF? I'm not sure I know where to look for LO documentation in this format?

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)

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On 06/24/2015 08:01 PM, toki wrote:
 Microsoft program specifications have defined F1 as the help key for
 at least two decades.

Ah...  So, it's fairly new then.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice's documentation (pdf and online)

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On 06/24/2015 12:58 PM, dallen wrote:
 Hi All,

I'm an experienced Technical Writer beginning work on LibreOffice's
 documentation, but I have some questions for LibreOffice users:

1) Does anyone EVER look at the pdf documentation? If not, why not?
I have occasionally used the PDFs
2) Does anyone EVER click the F1 key for help? If not, why not?

Yes.
3) Do you see any overall issues concerning the documentation?
4) If the presentation of the documentation were to change to make it
 more useful, what would it look like?

Epub as well as PDF would be nice.

 Thanks for anyone's help.

 Davidaa



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Re: [libreoffice-users] download problems

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On 06/10/2015 08:23 AM, Darius Saulenas wrote:
 Hello
 I am new with open source products, so I decide to try your product, as I
 am fed up with microsoft.However I writing to let you know that I've tried
 to download the software, but in the mid of 150 Mb it fails to download,
 I've tried two times, and both times it failed. I am using windows 7 and
 google browser to download the file.
 let me know what is an issue and how to fix it if it's to do with my laptop



Where are you downloading from?  You should only download from
www.libreoffice.org.  If you go elsewhere, you may be charged for the
download and/or get a load of crapware.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: open files automatically

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On 05/28/2015 01:12 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 Am 28.05.2015 um 18:57 schrieb James Knott:
 On 05/28/2015 12:38 PM, James Knott wrote:
 On 05/28/2015 12:21 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 I don't understand why any application should do this.
 Put your files into your assumed auto-start folder. I would use links
 instead of the real files.
 Open that folder, hit Ctrl+A and Enter to open all the files with the
 default application.
 That was possible in OS/2, but I haven't seen it anywhere else.  With
 OS/2, you could create a Work Area folder and whenever that folder was
 opened, whatever was in it would also open.

 Forgot to mention, closing the folder also closed the open documents. 
 So, you could create a work area folder for a project, place all the
 files for that project in the folder and then open or close them all at
 once.   You could also create shadows for those documents in the work
 area folder, but leave the originals elsewhere.  A shadow is another
 instance of the exact same file, so changes in a shadow automagically
 appear in the original.


 With any popular Linux desktop and (Windows too) Ctrl+A selects all file
 icons in a folder window.
 And the Enter key does the same as the double-click. It triggers the
 standard action which should be open for all document files.
 I would not be surprised if something similar works with OSX as well.



With those OS/2 work area folders, you don't have to select anything,
beyond opening the folder.  When it opens, all the documents that had
been open previously would open again, taking you back to exactly where
you were when you closed it previously.  It even survives reboots, which
virtual desktops don't.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: open files automatically

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On 05/28/2015 01:08 PM, Cley Faye wrote:
 To launch LibreOffice, you either use a shortcut of some sort, or directly
 run a command in a run dialog. That's true for any OS.

No, as I mentioned, it's not true with OS/2 and work area folders.  If
you had a document in that folder opened, then closed the folder, the
document also closes.  When you open the folder again, the document also
opens.

As I mentioned, this is very handy for projects.  The only thing that's
similarly useful for projects is a virtual deskop.  They have been
commonplace in Linux  Unix for many years, but only recently been
available in Windows.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: open files automatically

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On 05/28/2015 12:21 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 I don't understand why any application should do this.
 Put your files into your assumed auto-start folder. I would use links
 instead of the real files.
 Open that folder, hit Ctrl+A and Enter to open all the files with the
 default application.

That was possible in OS/2, but I haven't seen it anywhere else.  With
OS/2, you could create a Work Area folder and whenever that folder was
opened, whatever was in it would also open.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: open files automatically

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On 05/28/2015 12:38 PM, James Knott wrote:
 On 05/28/2015 12:21 PM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 I don't understand why any application should do this.
 Put your files into your assumed auto-start folder. I would use links
 instead of the real files.
 Open that folder, hit Ctrl+A and Enter to open all the files with the
 default application.
 That was possible in OS/2, but I haven't seen it anywhere else.  With
 OS/2, you could create a Work Area folder and whenever that folder was
 opened, whatever was in it would also open.


Forgot to mention, closing the folder also closed the open documents. 
So, you could create a work area folder for a project, place all the
files for that project in the folder and then open or close them all at
once.   You could also create shadows for those documents in the work
area folder, but leave the originals elsewhere.  A shadow is another
instance of the exact same file, so changes in a shadow automagically
appear in the original.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Unzipped opendoc files

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On 05/13/2015 08:04 AM, mkrbins wrote:
 Oh, I'm not sure I made myself clear.
 What I was asking is
 Can soffice use a directory resulting from an unzip as if it were an odt
 document?

If I understand what you're saying, you may be able to edit it, but
unless you save it elsewhere, your changes won't be saved.  You can't
just open a zip, change something and then expect the changes to be
saved when you close the zipped file.  You'd have to save the contents
somewhere and then zip them.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] [Calc, LibO 4.4] Bug on .ODS to .XLSX file conversion?

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On 04/23/2015 10:47 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 MSO 2013
 was the first that allowed people to save in strict but the resultant
 files don't seem to be able to be opened in any version of MS Office.

Those files are probably write only.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Function names with primes

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On 04/19/2015 03:15 PM, Piet van Oostrum wrote:
 A prime is the symbol ' or also written as ′ or ’ 
 so in school math you often has variables x and x' or even x'' or x'''
 These are called x prime x double prime or x triple prime.


So, suspect' would be prime suspect?  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Notice to Appear in Court

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On 04/19/2015 05:36 PM, toki kantoor wrote:
 I am an attorney and no court in the USA would use email to summon a 
 I've forgotten the cite, but in a  pleading justifying the use of posting a 
 summons to the individual's FaceBook account, the lawyers cited half a dozen 
 cases where the courts had ruled that service via email was acceptable.
IIRC, that was to notify of some proceeding, not a summons to court. 
It's similar to sending a letter to the last know address or taking ads
in newspapers.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Test Message

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On 04/14/2015 05:52 PM, James E. Lang wrote:
 Please disregard this message.

Will do.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: converting txt to dates

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On 04/13/2015 10:16 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 But nobody does. Not my bank from where I import account statements,
 yahoo finance, amazon, ebay, you name it.

Well, I often see it, particularly on government forms.  On the other
hand, I have often seen dates and wondered what format it was, as there
is nothing to indicate it or the date it actually represents.  Some
times I can guess, based on context or by looking for other dates to
determine which format makes sense. i.e. a number greater than 12 is
likely not a month.  ;-)

Given the amount of international interchange, even ignoring the fact
that local custom is often not followed, the only way to be sure is to
use the ISO spec and nothing else.  Isn't it also part of that ISO
certification that companies follow for business practices?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: converting txt to dates

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On 04/13/2015 09:38 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 This __happens__ to work for you. What does 12-04-2015 actually mean?
 On my system this will be interpreted as 12th of April. People with US
 locale will get a date value referring to the 4th of December.

That is why people should be using only the ISO format.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: converting txt to dates

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On 04/13/2015 12:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 They prefer to have everything
 from August waaay before anything from March.

Another thing that adds to the fun is the 12 hour clock, so that 12:59
AM is before 1:00 AM.  Of course, another bit of nonsense is 12 AM or
PM.  The precise moment of 12:00 is neither AM nor PM.  It is the
boundary between the two.  So, the correct terms are 12 noon or 12
midnight, if you insist on sticking with the 12 hour clock.  The better
method is to use the 24 hour clock.  This also brings the benefit of,
when used with the ISO date format, the digits are listed in order of
descending value, going from left to right.  This makes sorting on date
 time much easier and allows for no ambiguity.

For example, I am posting this at 2005 04 13 12:37.  There is absolutely
no doubt as to when that is.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: converting txt to dates

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On 04/13/2015 12:37 PM, James Knott wrote:
 For example, I am posting this at 2005 04 13 12:37.  There is absolutely
 no doubt as to when that is.

Ooops!!! Typo.  That should be 2015, not 2005.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: converting txt to dates

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On 04/13/2015 12:46 PM, Piet van Oostrum wrote:
   For example, I am posting this at 2005 04 13 12:37.  There is absolutely
   no doubt as to when that is.

 Except for the time zone :)

If relevant, then specify.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Business Cards - Printing - Libre Writer version 4.3.5.2

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On 03/14/2015 08:18 PM, charles meyer wrote:
 I’ve never printed business cards using Libre Writer and it didn’t go
 well using the Avery online template.

In my experience, printing your own cards isn't worth it, unless you
need just a few.  In addition to the cost of the cards, they tend to be
thinner than normal cards and the ink will often stick to other cards in
your wallet.  There are lots of places that can print out hundreds of
cards at low cost.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LIBRE OFFICE DOWNLOAD.

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On 02/09/2015 11:09 AM, jaxmail2...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello LibreOffice,

 I am considering downloading LibreOffice.

 Could you please advise me if I can consequently uninstall Microsoft Works
 without detriment to my
 existing previous saved letters etc.?


Yes, you can install LibreOffice and then uninstall Works at your
convenience.

Please ensure you download only from www.libreoffice.org or one of it's
mirrors.  Getting it from elsewhere may install some malware on your
computer.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] compatibility with Microsoft Access

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On 02/01/2015 03:40 PM, Wiebe van der Worp wrote:
 Running msconfig is always a nightmare with brands like Asus, Acer,... 
Running misconfig...???   ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] OpenSource jobs

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On 01/13/2015 06:50 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 It's in England.

That would be a bit of a commute from Canada.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre office has been put on my computer by gleek squad and i am not sure how to use it.

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On 12/19/2014 06:05 PM, visajo.lj wrote:
 I need assistance with the word documents.




What sort of assistance?


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre office has been put on my computer by gleek squad and i am not sure how to use it.

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Have you used Word?  Using any word processor is similar.  To create a
new document in Writer, you just open Writer and type.  Then click on
FileSave as to save it.  If you want to save as a Word document, make
sure the appropriate file type is selected.

On 12/20/2014 07:54 AM, Lavisa Jones wrote:

 I do not know how to get into the word document so I van compose or
 set up a letter or mailing list. I have never used libre before. Can
 you please send me information. Thank you


 On Dec 20, 2014 7:45 AM, James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com
 mailto:james.kn...@rogers.com wrote:
 
  On 12/19/2014 06:05 PM, visajo.lj wrote:
   I need assistance with the word documents.
  
  
  
 
  What sort of assistance?
 



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[libreoffice-users] U.K. Cabinet Office Adopts ODF as Exclusive Standard for Sharable Documents - ConsortiumInfo.org

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http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20140722125241786


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Re: [libreoffice-users] 'exporting' Odt into Scribus

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On 12/17/2014 11:04 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Historical reasons really.  The company tries to avoids using anything
 modern and generally prefers to do things the awkward way.
Still using quills on parchment?  ;-)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Spreadsheet q

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On 12/11/2014 12:34 PM, Helen wrote:
 How can I tell LO spreadsheet that in this particular cell, I want
 to write  January 2014 and that's what I want it to say- don't change it
 to date format, just leave that text.
 Thanks,,

You could set the cell format to text.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] mongodb and base

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On 11/22/2014 10:34 AM, Rob Jasper wrote:
 I used to work for Bell Labs, and they had as standard (!) perforation the US 
 3 + the US 4 holes, and we just added Europe's 4 holes, so in total there 
 were 11 holes...

Was there any paper left?  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: rtf files

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On 11/17/2014 07:41 AM, Andreas Säger wrote:
 Windows comes with a perfect RTF editor called WordPad.

I thought it now used the new WTF format.  ;-)


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[libreoffice-users] 10 ways to help users move from Microsoft Office to LibreOffice - TechRepublic

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This could be useful to users of both LibreOffice and OpenOffice.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/10-things/10-ways-to-help-users-move-from-microsoft-office-to-libreoffice/?tag=nl.e011s_cid=e011ttag=e011ftag=TRE475558a


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice forks

[James Knott]

On 10/18/2014 07:07 AM, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
 Someone remind me. . . .

 What were all of the popular forks off from OpenOffice.org?

 I remember a European one [EuroOffice?], a Mac one [NeoOffice?], and
 OxygenOffice.  I know there were others.  Many died on their own for
 lack of supporters or developers, while others [so I heard] had their
 project developers come over to LibreOffice and stop developing their
 forked projects.

 Anyone know of a good list and what became of these forks?

 Well, in my opinion, LibreOffice is the best fork of the lot.

There was IBM's Symphony, but it was rolled back into OpenOffice, IIRC.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice forks

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On 10/17/2014 02:29 AM, Werner wrote:
 Hi Tom,

 On 10/16/2014 19:31, Tom Davies wrote:

 ...
 Of course Star Office is still floating around somewhere but it doesn't
 bear much resemblance to LibreOffice or even OpenOffice.  So it can't
 really count as a fork any more
 StarOffice never was a fork, OpenOffice forked off it and then
 LibreOffice forked off OpenOffice.  In other words it is the 'new'
 thing which is a 'fork' and the 'original' stays the original:).

I thought Sun created OpenOffice when they open sourced StarOffice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarOffice

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks

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On 10/16/2014 01:17 PM, anne-ology wrote:
and then there's ...

 The Road Not Taken
 by Robert Frost (1874–1963)

And there's ...

When you come to the fork in the road, take it!

Yogi Berra

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice forks

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On 10/16/2014 01:31 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
 Of course Star Office is still floating around somewhere but it doesn't
 bear much resemblance to LibreOffice or even OpenOffice.  So it can't
 really count as a fork any more and may not even be usable at all these
 days.

StarOffice was the version of OpenOffice that Sun sold to paying
customers and so was almost exactly the same as OpenOffice.  I first
came across StarOffice on OS/2 before it was bought by Sun.


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[libreoffice-users] Five tips for speeding up your work within LibreOffice Writer - TechRepublic

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I came across this article recently.

http://www.techrepublic.com/article/five-tips-for-speeding-up-your-work-within-libreoffice-writer/?tag=nl.e011s_cid=e011ttag=e011ftag=TRE475558a


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libreoffice on Linux does not see network shares

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On 09/03/2014 07:15 AM, John King wrote:
 LO 4.2 and 4.3 series on Opensuse 13.1 and Xubuntu 12.04

 I am presently attempting to move some users from XP to Linux on our
 peer-to-peer network, but have hit a problem with Libreoffice and
 access to files on other networked machines.

 When using LO on Windows XP, the file-open dialogue shows a 'Network
 places' icon and users can access files on other machines without a
 problem. I am trying to ensure that they get an equivalent experience
 when using LO on Linux.

 However, the file-open dialogues of LO on the different Linux
 distributions I've tried do not show network shares on either Windows
 machines or Linux machines running Samba, and so users do not have the
 same experience that they have been used to on Windows XP. If I use
 the Kate text editor, which does provide a network icon in the
 file-open dialogue, there's no problem accessing files on the same
 shares.

 I know that if we access the files on the network shares using
 dolphin/nautilus, then subsequently that network location appears in
 the LO file-open dialogue. However, I'd rather not require our users
 to do that before they can use the wordprocessing facilities; I simply
 want the same file-open dialogue on Linux LO that they had on Windows
 XP LO and MS Office.

 Is this possible?

One thing I've noticed is the Servers drop down list (top right corner
of file open panel), where you can select Windows shares.  I haven't
tried it, but that may do what you want.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing Checks

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On 08/20/2014 01:30 AM, Hal Vaughan wrote:
 This may sound like an easy one that should be easily findable, but when I 
 Google, almost all hits use check as a verb, talking about checking 
 printers.

 Are there any forms or templates or anything for LibreOffice to help with 
 printing checks?



 Hal

Try using the correct word.  Google on printing cheques and you'll
find what you want.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] What version?

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On 08/06/2014 05:29 PM, Pikov Andropov wrote:
 I'm so confused by the multiple version that I have to ask.

 Several neighbors are eligible for me to install LibreOffice.

 One has Windows XP.
 One has Windows 7 and o9ne has Windows 8.
 One has Ubuntu and one has Linux Mint.
 Another has Red Hat and another has a Mac.

 What version shall I use for each?

 Thanks.


Download the Windows version for all Windows users.  The Linux users
likely have versions tailored for their distro available.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] UK Government adopts Open Document Format

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On 08/04/2014 04:21 AM, Andrew Beverley wrote:
 Word processor files will be saved with “.odt”
 suffixes, rather than “.doc”.

I wonder how many people will try to just change the extension, without
saving as the appropriate file type?


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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Your message to LibreOffice awaits moderator approval

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On 08/02/2014 05:39 AM, Pikov Andropov wrote:
 Is everyone getting this every time some one writes a bad post?

I got one.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] DUM dynamic range (based on current date/month)

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On 07/21/2014 08:39 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
 was working on a 'wtf?'

Is that the new MS Office format?  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice questions

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On 07/05/2014 06:08 AM, Strybel wrote:
 Dear Sir or MadamI am hoping to touch base with a real live human being at 
 your end to ask a few quesitons. I am a jorunalist,. writer and translator 
 and am not into the mumbo-jumbo of computerese, so please don't refer me to 
 some online non-human source.Would it be possible to phone someone at your 
 end? My phone number is +48 22 839 0111.Thank you.Rob Strybel(A LibreOffice 
 user for the past year)


You have asked this in a mail list for users of LibreOffice.  We are all
just users here, so your best bet is to just ask your questions here, so
that one of us might be able to help you.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] which version has the best legacy importing?

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On 06/28/2014 09:23 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
 So, as soon as I get a working floppy drive working

One thing to bear in mind is some of those old floppies might be unreadable.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Your message to LibreOffice awaits moderator approval

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On 06/27/2014 12:20 AM, Thomas Taylor wrote:
 This message is NOT useful.  Whom is it for and why was it sent to the entire
 list?

 Tom - moderator


I also got one of those.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO Draw crashes importing Microsoft Publisher file (ping Brennan/Fridrich/Valek?)

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On 06/25/2014 10:41 PM, NoOp wrote:
 Recently I have been able to replicate crashes on linux LO versions
 4.1.x- 4.2.x deb versions (32bit and 64bit) when attempting to open a
 10MB Microsoft Publisher file.

I didn't know LO could open Publisher files.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Will Libreoffice have a LESS BUG version in the future?

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On 06/22/2014 09:52 AM, minhsien0330 wrote:
 Will we have a LESS BUG version

That should be fewer bug.  Use fewer if you count the item, less if
you measure.  I guess LO needs a grammar checker too.  ;-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Will Libreoffice have a LESS BUG version in the future?

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On 06/22/2014 03:27 PM, Luuk wrote:
 MS is no standard.


Correction, MS is substandard.  ;-)



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Re: [libreoffice-users]

[James Knott]

George Roberts wrote:
 Is there any connection between Libre and Open Office?

 The reason I ask, I downloaded Open Office, did a spreadsheet, and on
 advice, was told Libre was better, so I downloaded Libre.

 Then I did a copy/paste of my spreadsheet from OO to Libre, but the heading
 still shows as Open Office.

 So, thinking it was because it was a copy/paste, I produced a sample
 spreadsheet called dates using Libre, and open office is still shown in the
 saved title name?

 Could it be because I have not uninstalled Open Office yet?

LibreOffice is a fork from OpenOffice, created when Oracle hadn't
decided what to to with OpenOffice  StarOffice.  So, there is a lot of
similarity between them.  However, what are you referring to by
heading?  If it's something you put in the document, it will always
show, no matter what app you use.

You can have both OpenOffice and LibreOffice on the same computer, but
only one can be the default app for the various file formats.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE

[James Knott]

Urmas wrote:
 you are an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software.

Gee  I didn't know I was developing office software.  Thanks for
letting me know.

BTW, in case you haven't noticed, things have changed a bit in the past
16 years.  Back then, there was still a lot of Windows 3.1  DOS around,
among other things.  How much of anything still works from back then? 
How many still run Word 6?  Back in the mid '90s, I was using Wordstar
2000 (and a bit of Word Perfect 5.2) at work and Describe at home.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE

[James Knott]

Tom Davies wrote:
 Also it is still easily possible to get older versions of software that can
 read it and convert.

So, what's the latest version of LibreOffice or OpenOffice that will
read those formats?  If needed, they could be used to save those old
files in a newer format.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Windows lifecycle [was: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE ...]

[James Knott]

Jay Lozier wrote:
 Also, there is no direct upgrade path from XP to W7 and I assume this
 is true for W8 also.

I run openSUSE Linux on my computers and have for several years.  It's
generally possible to to an upgrade as new versions come out.  I
recently upgraded my motherboard  hard drive (old drive was IDE and new
MB only supports SATA), as the old MB was getting slow.  I just copied
my system to the new drive and then moved to the new motherboard and it
works fine.  With Linux, drivers also tend to be supported much longer
than in Windows, so that old hardware will generally continue to work
just fine.  For example, I have an Epson scanner, which I bought several
years ago.  It worked with both Linux and XP.  However, while it still
works fine in Linux, I cannot use it with Windows 7, as the drivers are
not available for it.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE

[James Knott]

Urmas wrote:
 Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then.

 It was called StarOffice back then.

StarOffice became OpenOffice.  LibreOffice split off from OpenOffice
when Oracle took over.  IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported
are the ancient StarOffice ones.  LibreOffice still supports the
original OpenOffice sx* formats.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: CONVERTING A MICROSOFT TEMPLATE TO BE USED WITH LIBRE OFFICE

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Urmas wrote:
 Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.

Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2

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charles meyer wrote:
 Might anyone on the list be using a Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2?

 I've been enjoying a Dickens of a time trying to get it to sync with
 my PC so I can transfer a video file *from* the tablet to the
 PC.

 Samsung tech support has been abysmal and Google results have been
 mostly older posts for older tablets or for transferring files *from* a
 PC to the tablet that don't work for transferring a video file *from*
 the tablet to the PC.



I don't have a Samsung tablet, but I do have a couple of Android
devices.  I have a couple of methods I use to transfer files.  First,
just connecting to my computer via a USB cable opens up the tablet so I
can copy or move files.  I also use an app called ES File Explorer,
which allows me to access computer file shares via WiFi.  Both methods
work well.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Samsung Galaxy Tablet 2

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charles meyer wrote:
 I only have a standard sd card - tablet requires  a micro sd card and
 the process look complicated on this tablet.

There are adapters that allow you to use a micro SD card in a standard
slot.  You just remove the micro SD from the tablet, slide it into the
adapter and then plug the SD adapter into the reader.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,

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Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote:
 Maybe I got confused.  I thought my 10 inch was from a DEC system. 
 It was sure big.  Maybe they used a different type.  I donated it to a
 college teaching staff for demoing old tech, along with my samples of
 a punched card program, and some paper tape.

No, DEC floppies were 8 too.  Back when I was a computer tech, I used
to maintain some VAX 11/780 systems.  On them, the CPU needed to have
the microcode loaded, before it could do anything.  This was done by an
LSI-11 (microprocessor version of the PDP-11), which loaded the
microcode from a floppy and loaded it into the CPU.
 I hated CP/M and had to deal with an early college computer center
 that had IBM [brand and not clones] PC-XTs and a few of them actually
 had a graphics card and not the original 80x40 characters type of
 display.  They all were double single-sided floppy 5.25 inch.  The
 other rooms had old Apple [before Macs] and they had CP/M OS options,
 and the next room had DEC terminals to the mini-mainframes. While I
 was there a math professor brought in the new Apple computer called
 a Macintosh.  We also a 10 inch screen portable PC-AT or XT that
 weighted over 40 pounds.

 The next college center had both DEC terminals and a few dual floppy
 PCs that were connected to the DEC system via a terminal emulator
 called Kermit, if my memory is correct.  I used its upload/download
 abilities to save all my work for that college onto the floppies and
 also did some editing at home.  My first PC I had at home was a
 clone from a kit that cost about half of the IBM prices.

 Those were the days of the early home PC market and the beginning of a
 PC in every home idea.  Before them, most home computer devices were
 toys.

I only used CP/M on a Supercalc course I took.  My first computer, an
IMSAI 8080 could run CP/M, *IF* you had floppy drives, which I didn't. 
I used audio cassettes.  When I was taking a Fortran course, I used
Procomm+ as a terminal emulator to connect to the school computer.  I
also had an XT clone.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE : Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Microsoft Revisits the '80s With MS-DOS, Word for Windows Source Code,

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Jean-Louis Oneto wrote:
 When Microsoft bought DRI

Microsoft didn't buy DRI.  They bought Q-DOS from Seattle Computer
Products.  Gary Kildall, creator of CP/M later took MS to court and
proved that MS-DOS contained directly copied CP/M code.


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