[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread Conrad Slater
I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this.
I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section.
Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of
trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer
 my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile.

Anyway, I "friended" 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that
number I got 6 hits to my site.

Go figure.

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> was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for 
> vloggers:
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Eric Rice

It's slow. Some videos took 12 minutes, others took hours to transcode
Thank GOODNESS our transcoders are fast! ;-)

ER
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> > Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
> > host is encoding my video into Flash.
> 
> And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really 
> terrible.
> 
> -josh
> 
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> On 3/2/06, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > The water is fine.
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> > I uploaded a short video and now it is processing.
> >
> > Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
> > host is encoding my video into Flash.
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:
> >
> > > The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a "processing"
> > > message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same
> > > video "processing" twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Enric
Yes, I've had the same problem.  I sent webmail to customer service on
this two days ago, and haven't received a response yet.

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Deirdre Straughan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I created a new MySpace Films account and have been trying for days to
> upload a video. So far, on the nth attempt, the latest attempt is still
> "processing."
> 
> On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > perhaps something like this would help  ;-o
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on
> >
> > 
> >
> > there is a huge audience there, yes?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Conrad Slater wrote:
> >
> > > I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this.
> > > I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section.
> > > Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of
> > > trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to
trasfer
> > >  my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile.
> > >
> > > Anyway, I "friended" 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that
> > > number I got 6 hits to my site.
> > >
> > > Go figure.
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has
value for
> > >> vloggers:
> > >>
> > >> 
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> cheers
> > >> r
> > >>
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> > >>
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Enric
Naw, I'm on a PC and have the same problem.  

  -- Enric

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Yes, i have the same issue, tried it with myspace film and
vids.myspace? has
> anyone had any luck with this, would really like to explore it but
there is
> no technical information? is this a mac thing? i know that none of my
> browsers accept myspace advanced post editing facilities?
> 
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> > > heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different than
> > > uploading to the filmmaker section.
> > >
> > > i just logged in and the upload form on the vids.myspace.com page is
> > > different from that on the filmmaker upload page in profile.
> >
> >
> > The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a "processing"
> > message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same
video
> > "processing" twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes
> > processing...
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread hpbatman7
I think by the very nature of how "big" myspace is would help 
vlogging 
  
I mean  I think vlogging is about expressing yourself, and who is to 
say what is right or wrong about your expression (within reason of 
course)some of my vlogs are just about my everyday life and some are 
creative outlets.  So am I a vlogger or an "artist" promoting his 
work? And "could" myspace allow me to do both?  Honestly, I don't 
know but just based on the amount of conversation this has been 
generating I would have to say yes. But who really knows?  Myspace 
may be forgetten in a year by the next big thing.

It's an interesting question and debate and one I suspect that will 
be ongoing for a while




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> > The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com 
benefit
> > vloggers / vlogging.
> 
> What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting 
vloggers/vlogging?
> Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.
> 
> Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't 
really
> look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.
> 
> :-)
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 
> On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.
> >
> > Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from 
both
> > creative and business perspectives.
> >
> > Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.
> >
> > And the flash matter - again.
> >
> > We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.
> >
> > We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other
> > codecs.
> >
> > The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com 
benefit
> > vloggers / vlogging.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
> >
> > > Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom 
gets a
> > > substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and 
return
> > > visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
> > > Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...
> > >
> > > ...
> > >
> > > Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
> > > creative control or their own freedom.
> > >
> > > -Josh
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread hpbatman7
I like your metaphor here and I do think it has merit, vlogging is 
still pretty new as well and who knows where it will lead but as 
others have said if you are looking at increasing your audience 
Myspace can not be ignored.  However, I do think that the age group 
is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to 
use it after High School and College?  Don't forget that this service 
is still pretty new in the big scheme of things, it could evlove into 
something vastly different than it is today.

But again who knows and I do think we need to be open to various 
ideas and ways to blog,vlog or whatever.

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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Sullivan" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i talked a bit about myspace in a previous thread here
> i used a metaphor that myspace was like NYC and the blogosphere was 
like the
> rest of NY.  if you dont venture into the city, you wont have as 
many
> connections to the connected to the culture, to the noise and 
chaos.  If
> you hang out outside the city,  more likely people will discover 
you based
> on your persistant efforts and quality but you can do much less 
of that
> and JUST be found by accidental persusings... people may check you 
out, move
> on.  maybe someone interesting will connect with you.  maybe not.
> 
> is it good for vloggers/vlogging?
> 
> think of it as casting a worm on a hook out into the water.  maybe 
you'll
> catch something good.  maybe nothing, maybe an old boot.  the nice 
thing is,
> you can sit back and relax while that hook and worm is out their.  
you dont
> need to be active on myspace to potentially benefit from the user 
base.
> that is, if your looking for the people connection side of it.
> 
> what about technically... the service.  is that good and beneficial 
to
> vloggers?  e. minimally, it is.  but since i think their are 
better
> services from a technical perspective, i would not recommend 
myspace for its
> tech services.
> 
> sull
> 
> On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Let's see if we can begin to figure it out.
> >
> > I thinks there are several questions.
> >
> > 1) What do videobloggers want most?
> >
> > 2) What does videoblogging need most?
> >
> > The first question is probably more complex in that personal
> > preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group 
interest.
> >
> > Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over at
> > myspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as video
> > production / audience. If this thinking is true then those 
vloggers who
> > want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it 
easier
> > to meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes?
> >
> > Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged the
> > service providers who are non-native this group to participate, 
and (b)
> > encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum 
intellectually
> > examine, alternative arenas.
> >
> > Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be 
cool to
> > hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any
> > benefit to vlogging / vloggers?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
> >
> > >> The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com 
benefit
> > >> vloggers / vlogging.
> > >
> > > What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting 
vloggers/vlogging?
> > > Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really 
sure.
> > >
> > > Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't 
really
> > > look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > -Josh
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.
> > >>
> > >> Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, 
from both
> > >> creative and business perspectives.
> > >>
> > >> Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - 
again.
> > >>
> > >> And the flash matter - again.
> > >>
> > >> We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' 
video.
> > >>
> > >> We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as 
other
> > >> codecs.
> > >>
> > >> The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com 
benefit
> > >> vloggers / vlogging.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.
> > >>>
> > >>> ...
> > >>>
> > >>> But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom 
gets a
> > >>> substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency 
and
> > >>> return
> > >>> visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
> > >>> Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...
> > >>>
> > >>> ...
> > >>>
> > >>> Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much 
about

[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread hpbatman7
I agree to some degree, I think it depends on if Myspace evloves or 
not, in it's current form you will outgrow it...but if grows and 
becomes a "true" social networking site then who knows..personaly 
I doubt it will evlove but..

I can't speak to Facebook but personaly I would like to have a site 
where you "feel" apart of a bigger community.  I have a cirle of 
friends here where I live but when I go to shows (Comic Conventions, 
Wizard World, Dragon Con) I connect with a whole other sect of people 
who are "into" the same things I am and it's fun.  I mean heck that 
is one of the reasons I am vlogging, to hopefully meet other people 
who "like" the same things I do.. 



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> > > is young but.and this is a big but.what if they 
continue to
> > > use it after High School and College?
> >
> > I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
> > wearing those clothes in 10 years.
> 
> Now Facebook on the other hand I can really see that having
> longevity because your highschool/university classmates end up
> becoming your professional network too.
> 
> Facebook may not be as loud as MySpace, but I feel like there's so
> much more potential there of course there is not yet an emphasis
> on video and most of the network is closed off if you don't have a
> .edu email address.
> 
> Someone recently told me that the difference between MySpace and
> Facebook (many users have accounts in both social networks) is that
> MySpace is the "avatar" me and Facebook is the "real" me. Identities
> on MySpace are flexible and ever changing. Identities on Facebook 
are
> more tangible and persistent.
> 
> As graduates move on from college, I'm sure they will be connected 
to
> their alumni network through Facebook. MySpace, I'm not so sure 
about.
> 
> -Josh
> 
> 
> On 3/2/06, Peter Van Dijck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > is young but.and this is a big but.what if they 
continue to
> > > use it after High School and College?
> >
> > I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
> > wearing those clothes in 10 years.
> >
> > Myspace is about unsupervised hanging out, friends and identity.
> > That's why teens like it. Tomorrow's teens might use it in 5 
years,
> > but today's teens won't. Unless the site radically changes...
> >
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Eric Rice
The format was an export from Quicktime Pro from a regular .mov to MPEG-4... 
now to be 
fair, there was no audio track, but I'd think it might take mpeg4 since AAC 
seemed to fail.

There are two other videos that I posted at the same time (like nearly 36 hours 
ago) that 
are stuck on 'processing...' Audioblog.com it ain't. ;-) /shameless and snide 
plug

In a few tries, sometimes the server timed out with I'd say about 3 different 
styles/error 
types. Weird indeed. I'll be going through all the formats since the MySpace 
Video stuff is 
important to some things I'm doing on MySpace and elsewhere.

ER

Feel free to add me: myspace.com/ericrice
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--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> please please eric.. tell us what format you uploaded in? my 1 min video had
> been 'processing' for about 2 days now on the filmmakers site, and another
> 1min film has been processing for about 7 hrs, i'm guessing there is a
> problem.. i uploaded as quicktime with Mpeg 4 video and mpeg4 audio?
> 
> be well
> 
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Eric Rice
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

> Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to 
> hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any 
> benefit to vlogging / vloggers?

I'm not a vlogfather but I'll wax the awesome science anyway. :-P

MySpace has a huge place for our podcast and part of it's video + live + on the 
streets 
efforts... Three podcasts are populated from our communities on MySpace and 
with a 
signup of some 200,000 users a day (Head of Fox Online spoke at a conference 
tonight), 
it's really an untapped audience that is growing up with new media--- we hope 
to 
entertain and we hope to teach people.

On the other hand, my circle of friends are on ericrice.com, but that's prolly 
cuz I'm 9 
years above the top end of the MySpace demographic. But my personal stuff lives 
where 
my personal side lives. For the MySpace crowd, it IS their personal space, and 
I'm 
wondering if ultimately if nomenclature or technology matters.

Cuz they are posting and watching.
Kinda like what we do with videoblogs.
Kinda like what we do with video podcasts.

Funny, it's not 'videoblogging' but golly, it's certainly 'making media' of the 
longest tail'd 
variety.

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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-03 Thread hpbatman7
Which was kinda my point from my orginal post that was somewhat taken 
out of contextit is young "now" but will it still be in 5 
years...I keep saying this but it seems to get drowned out.I 
mean bands, comedians, and now filmmakers are putting there stuff out 
in myspace to build buzz, promote feedback and to try thinngs 
out.wouldn't vlogging just be an extension of that?



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Peter Van Dijck wrote:
> >> is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue 
to
> >> use it after High School and College?
> > 
> > I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
> > wearing those clothes in 10 years.
> 
> I dunno, I still wear the same funny clothes I did almost 20 years 
ago. 
> (Well, when I'm  not working for the man.) Which is either 
something to 
> be proud of, or ashamed of... I'm still not sure which.
> 
> Pete
> 
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-03 Thread David Dundas

I actually have been sitting this convo out... but because there have
been so many emails with myspace in the subject dropped in my inbox
over the past few days, I thought i'd contribute...


I can't think of one example that has had this type of integrated
environment and lasted... geocities, aol? Being recent college grad
('03) I saw the fall of Friendster. I saw people stop using AIM when
they moved out of college, I saw a ton of people use Skype last year,
and not so much anymore. I see now people in college using Facebook
instead of Friendster and Myspace... these things inevitably get
replaced. Myspace won't go away tomorrow, but the site is still a
primarily a social means of keeping in touch and identity...as the
main users of this site (16-24)grow out of this stage I can't see them
sticking with it.  

I don't think it matters what type of  environment Myspace is. What
the experience is, what the upload process is, what the content
ownership terms are. The fact remains that today Myspace has a
ridiculous amount of traffic, and for bloggers seeking visibility,
from the sounds of it, tools, user experiences, peer environment and
content rights are willing to be exchanged for visibility and traffic.
Until Myspace goes "out of style" if it ever does, people will be
attracted to it for the sheer page views that they drive. They don't
have to do any of the aforementioned things because they are the big
dogs. 

  

--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "hpbatman7" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Which was kinda my point from my orginal post that was somewhat taken 
> out of contextit is young "now" but will it still be in 5 
> years...I keep saying this but it seems to get drowned out.I 
> mean bands, comedians, and now filmmakers are putting there stuff out 
> in myspace to build buzz, promote feedback and to try thinngs 
> out.wouldn't vlogging just be an extension of that?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Pete Prodoehl  
> wrote:
> >
> > Peter Van Dijck wrote:
> > >> is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue 
> to
> > >> use it after High School and College?
> > > 
> > > I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
> > > wearing those clothes in 10 years.
> > 
> > I dunno, I still wear the same funny clothes I did almost 20 years 
> ago. 
> > (Well, when I'm  not working for the man.) Which is either 
> something to 
> > be proud of, or ashamed of... I'm still not sure which.
> > 
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[videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-06 Thread Enric
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Deirdre Straughan"
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> FWIW, my video FINALLY finished processing and now shows up at
> http://profile.myspace.com/dstraughan ...but I can't find a way to
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Yes, I figured out two formats that worked to upload:  1) Sorenson for
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread Ted Tagami



6/1000 ...that's about the avg click thru rate on a 468x60 banner...!On 3/1/06, Conrad Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this.
I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section.
Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of
trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer
 my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile.

Anyway, I "friended" 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that
number I got 6 hits to my site.

Go figure.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread robert a/k/a r
perhaps something like this would help  ;-o




seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on



there is a huge audience there, yes?





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> I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section.
> Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of
> trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer
>  my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile.
>
> Anyway, I "friended" 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that
> number I got 6 hits to my site.
>
> Go figure.
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
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>>
>> was browsing this for a bit, wondering if you think it has value for
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>>
>> 
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>>
>> --
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>> r
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>>
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>> hosting sale: http://foo.24x7.com
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread Deirdre Straughan



I created a new MySpace Films account and have been trying for days to upload a video. So far, on the nth attempt, the latest attempt is still "processing."On 3/2/06, 
robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
perhaps something like this would help  ;-oseriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on
there is a huge audience there, yes?On Mar 1, 2006, at 6:34 PM, Conrad Slater wrote:> I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this.
> I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section.> Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of> trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer
>  my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile.>> Anyway, I "friended" 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that> number I got 6 hits to my site.>> Go figure.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread robert a/k/a r
heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different than uploading to the filmmaker section.

i just logged in and the upload form on the vids.myspace.com page is different from that on the filmmaker upload page in profile.





On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:22 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:

I created a new MySpace Films account and have been trying for days to upload a video. So far, on the nth attempt, the latest attempt is still "processing."

On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



seriously, can vloggers benefit from posting on 



there is a huge audience there, yes?





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> I've yet to find the winning forumla but I can tell you this. 
> I'm not using the film section but rather the main normal section.
> Whilst there a couple of pictures on my page there isn't any sort of
> trailer or embeded player. I'm still waiting for the option to trasfer 
>  my account rather htan having to create a whole new profile.
>
> Anyway, I "friended" 1000 people in the course of a month. Of that
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>
> Go figure. 
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r
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>>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-01 Thread Deirdre Straughan



On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different thanuploading to the filmmaker section.i just logged in and the upload form on the vids.myspace.com page is
different from that on the filmmaker upload page in profile.The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a "processing" message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same video "processing" twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes processing...
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread duncan



Yes, i have the same issue, tried it with myspace film and vids.myspace? has anyone had any luck with this, would really like to explore it but there is no technical information? is this a mac thing? i know that none of my browsers accept myspace advanced post editing facilities?
dOn 3/2/06, Deirdre Straughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <
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heh. i wonder if the upload to the vids section is different thanuploading to the filmmaker section.i just logged in and the upload form on the 
vids.myspace.com page is
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Deirdre Straughan



I use Firefox on Windows, so I don't think it's a Mac thing. On 3/2/06, duncan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, i have the same issue, tried it with myspace film and vids.myspace? has anyone had any luck with this, would really like to explore it but there is no technical information? is this a mac thing? i know that none of my browsers accept myspace advanced post editing facilities?
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Michael Sullivan



this doesnt sound very productive.  you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-)good luck though.  i'll still be interested in your results.robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any attention you can get.  their are and will be more ways that supercede the myspace sphere.  
sullOn 3/2/06, Deirdre Straughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

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On 3/2/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



this doesnt sound very productive.  you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-)good luck though.  i'll still be interested in your results.robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any attention you can get.  their are and will be more ways that supercede the myspace sphere.  
I'm trying, in the interests of fairness, to add it to my test page, but have pretty much lost patience - if it's this hard, the average beginning videoblogger isn't going to do it.That's also true of Ourmedia, BTW - I have yet to successfully upload a video there, either.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Steve Garfield
I just jumped in!

The water is fine.

I uploaded a short video and now it is processing.

Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the 
host is encoding my video into Flash.

On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:

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> video "processing" twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Joshua Kinberg
> Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
> host is encoding my video into Flash.

And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really terrible.

-josh


On 3/2/06, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> I uploaded a short video and now it is processing.
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> Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
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>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Steve Garfield
Really?

This Britney Spears music video from MTV presented by  
britneyspearsnow.com looks pretty good to me, not great, but good:

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm? 
fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=537376237&n=2

http://tinyurl.com/emnky

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>> Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
>> host is encoding my video into Flash.
>
> And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really  
> terrible.
>
> -josh

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Michael Sullivan



That's also true of Ourmedia, BTW - I have yet to successfully upload a video there, either.
Indeed.  New efforts have begun (for what its worth ;-)On 3/2/06, Deirdre Straughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 3/2/06, Michael Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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this doesnt sound very productive.  you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-)good luck though.  i'll still be interested in your results.robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any attention you can get.  their are and will be more ways that supercede the myspace sphere.  
I'm trying, in the interests of fairness, to add it to my test page, but have pretty much lost patience - if it's this hard, the average beginning videoblogger isn't going to do it.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread duncan



please please eric.. tell us what format you uploaded in? my 1 min video had been 'processing' for about 2 days now on the filmmakers site, and another 1min film has been processing for about 7 hrs, i'm guessing there is a problem.. i uploaded as quicktime with Mpeg 4 video and mpeg4 audio? 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Then again, who knows how much video they're trying to process.
If they're literally getting millions of video uploads per day, then
i'd imagine their encoding queue is pretty backed up. Not to mention
they may have to screen uploads to make sure the content isn't
infringing. That takes a lot of time too.

-josh


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> It's slow. Some videos took 12 minutes, others took hours to transcode
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> > > Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
> > > host is encoding my video into Flash.
> >
> > And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really 
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> >
> > -josh
> >
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> > On 3/2/06, Steve Garfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > >
> > > Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
> > > host is encoding my video into Flash.
> > >
> > > On Mar 2, 2006, at 2:29 AM, Deirdre Straughan wrote:
> > >
> > > > The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a "processing"
> > > > message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same
> > > > video "processing" twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes
> > > > processing...
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread robert a/k/a r
and mp3 doesn't sound anywhere near as good a vinyl on a linn.

but guess what.



On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:35 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

>> Based on viewing the other videos on the site, I'd say that means the
>> host is encoding my video into Flash.
>
> And based on that same viewing experience, their encoding looks really 
> terrible.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread robert a/k/a r
LOL, Sull.

As I'm sure you realise, the question is an intellectual one. Think as 
an economists for a minute, there may be behaviour to be understood 
over at myspace.

The question is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit a videoblogger / 
videoblogging.



On Mar 2, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Michael Sullivan wrote:

>  this doesnt sound very productive. 
> you can spend your time working on SEO instead ;-)
> good luck though.  i'll still be interested in your results.
>
> robert, maybe it will have some benefit if you are hungry for any 
> attention you can get.  their are and will be more ways that supercede 
> the myspace sphere. 



 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.

Depends what you want. For a lot of things that may not matter... for
me as a viewer I'm not really all that hung up on quality -- I'm
always more interested in immediacy (content almost always trumps
image quality for me). Especially if you're talking about user created
content. You're not likely going to get high quality footage on the
input, so why try for it on the ouptut... compress the hell out of it
too. If you are going to serve to a large audience then heavy duty
compression is probably necessary.

But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return
visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers through an
experience that is entirely their own. They have great image quality
(and getting better), and have always produced their content in a way
that promotes their brand without being forced to promote other brands
in the process. That is creative control even if they are syndicating
the video, allowing free downloads with no DRM.

When I look through the eyes of a creator, the most important thing to
me is freedom and I'm not sure how much of that I see in MySpace,
YouTube, or many other similar sites...

Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
creative control or their own freedom.

-Josh


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> and mp3 doesn't sound anywhere near as good a vinyl on a linn.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread robert a/k/a r
Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.

Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both 
creative and business perspectives.

Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.

And the flash matter - again.

We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.

We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other 
codecs.

The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit 
vloggers / vlogging.




On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

> Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.
>
> ...
>
> But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
> substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return
> visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
> Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...
>
> ...
>
> Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
> creative control or their own freedom.
>
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Joshua Kinberg
> The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
> vloggers / vlogging.

What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging?
Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.

Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really
look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.

:-)

-Josh


On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.
>
> Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both
> creative and business perspectives.
>
> Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.
>
> And the flash matter - again.
>
> We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.
>
> We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other
> codecs.
>
> The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
> vloggers / vlogging.
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>
> > Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.
> >
> > ...
> >
> > But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
> > substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return
> > visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
> > Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...
> >
> > ...
> >
> > Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Joshua Kinberg
Also, its strange that you took out most of the relevant lines of my
previous message in your response.

Maybe you should backtrack and read it again... the parts specifically
about creative control.

-josh


On 3/2/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
> > vloggers / vlogging.
>
> What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging?
> Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.
>
> Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really
> look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.
>
> :-)
>
> -Josh
>
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> On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.
> >
> > Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both
> > creative and business perspectives.
> >
> > Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.
> >
> > And the flash matter - again.
> >
> > We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.
> >
> > We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other
> > codecs.
> >
> > The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
> > vloggers / vlogging.
> >
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> > On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
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> > > Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.
> > >
> > > ...
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> > > But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
> > > substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return
> > > visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
> > > Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...
> > >
> > > ...
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> > > creative control or their own freedom.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread robert a/k/a r
creative control. how so?




On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:43 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

> Also, its strange that you took out most of the relevant lines of my
> previous message in your response.
>
> Maybe you should backtrack and read it again... the parts specifically
> about creative control.
>
> -josh
>
>
> On 3/2/06, Joshua Kinberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
>>> vloggers / vlogging.
>>
>> What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging?
>> Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.
>>
>> Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really
>> look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> -Josh
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.
>>>
>>> Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both
>>> creative and business perspectives.
>>>
>>> Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.
>>>
>>> And the flash matter - again.
>>>
>>> We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.
>>>
>>> We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other
>>> codecs.
>>>
>>> The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
>>> vloggers / vlogging.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>>>
 Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.

 ...

 But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
 substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and 
 return
 visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
 Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...

 ...

 Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
 creative control or their own freedom.

 -Josh
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread robert a/k/a r
Let's see if we can begin to figure it out.

I thinks there are several questions.

1) What do videobloggers want most?

2) What does videoblogging need most?

The first question is probably more complex in that personal preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group interest.

Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over at myspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as video production / audience. If this thinking is true then those vloggers who want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it easier to meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes? 

Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged the service providers who are non-native this group to participate, and (b) encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum intellectually examine, alternative arenas. 

Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any benefit to vlogging / vloggers?




On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
vloggers / vlogging.

What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging?
Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.

Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really
look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.

:-)

-Josh


On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.

Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both
creative and business perspectives.

Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.

And the flash matter - again.

We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.

We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other
codecs.

The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
vloggers / vlogging.




On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.

...

But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and return
visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...

...

Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
creative control or their own freedom.

-Josh




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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Joshua Kinberg
I think you could flip this question pretty easily and say:
"Does MySpace offer any benefit to bloggers?"

The answer may be a mixed bag... I'm not sure how much benefit MySpace
has to bloggers. But then again, there are a lot of people on MySpace
who probably don't care about such things.

-josh


On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Let's see if we can begin to figure it out.
>
> I thinks there are several questions.
>
> 1) What do videobloggers want most?
>
> 2) What does videoblogging need most?
>
> The first question is probably more complex in that personal
> preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group interest.
>
> Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over at
> myspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as video
> production / audience. If this thinking is true then those vloggers who
> want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it easier
> to meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes?
>
> Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged the
> service providers who are non-native this group to participate, and (b)
> encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum intellectually
> examine, alternative arenas.
>
> Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to
> hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any
> benefit to vlogging / vloggers?
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
>
> >> The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
> >> vloggers / vlogging.
> >
> > What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging?
> > Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.
> >
> > Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really
> > look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > -Josh
> >
> >
> > On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there.
> >>
> >> Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both
> >> creative and business perspectives.
> >>
> >> Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again.
> >>
> >> And the flash matter - again.
> >>
> >> We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.
> >>
> >> We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other
> >> codecs.
> >>
> >> The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com benefit
> >> vloggers / vlogging.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.
> >>>
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a
> >>> substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and
> >>> return
> >>> visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).
> >>> Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...
> >>>
> >>> ...
> >>>
> >>> Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
> >>> creative control or their own freedom.
> >>>
> >>> -Josh
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread robert a/k/a r
Yes, this is not an easy question Josh ;-)

The focus on benefits to vloggers / vlogging is deliberate, here, let's maintain focus and see if there is something to be gained. 

Nailing down a specific or two would be ideal. 

These video hosting services becoming communities (i.e., youtube) and communities becoming video hosting services (i.e., myspace) and service behemoths becoming video hosts and brokers (i.e., google) perhaps should be part of videobloggers' strategy. 

Of course, not all videobloggers want a strategy and I respect that and they'll have no interest in this thread. However those who would like to expand their audience or earn from their efforts might benefit from any of your good ideas.



On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:

I think you could flip this question pretty easily and say:
"Does MySpace offer any benefit to bloggers?"

The answer may be a mixed bag... I'm not sure how much benefit MySpace
has to bloggers. But then again, there are a lot of people on MySpace
who probably don't care about such things.

-josh


Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Michael Sullivan



i talked a bit about myspace in a previous thread herei used a metaphor that myspace was like NYC and the blogosphere was like the rest of NY.  if you dont venture into the city, you wont have as many connections to the connected to the culture, to the noise and chaos.  If you hang out outside the city,  more likely people will discover you based on your persistant efforts and quality but you can do much less of that and JUST be found by accidental persusings... people may check you out, move on.  maybe someone interesting will connect with you.  maybe not.
is it good for vloggers/vlogging?think of it as casting a worm on a hook out into the water.  maybe you'll catch something good.  maybe nothing, maybe an old boot.  the nice thing is, you can sit back and relax while that hook and worm is out their.  you dont need to be active on myspace to potentially benefit from the user base.  that is, if your looking for the people connection side of it.
what about technically... the service.  is that good and beneficial to vloggers?  e. minimally, it is.  but since i think their are better services from a technical perspective, i would not recommend myspace for its tech services.  
sullOn 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Let's see if we can begin to figure it out.I thinks there are several questions.1) What do videobloggers want most?2) What does videoblogging need most?The first question is probably more complex in that personal
preferences intersect with and sometimes dominate the group interest.Back to the first. Methinks there is a very large audience over atmyspace who are inclined towards shared experiences such as videoproduction / audience. If this thinking is true then those vloggers who
want larger audiences probably have something to gain. Isn't it easierto meet people if you venture beyond your clique sometimes?Seems sometimes it would benefit vloggers if we (a) encouraged theservice providers who are non-native this group to participate, and (b)
encouraged vloggers to experiment with, or at a minimum intellectuallyexamine, alternative arenas.Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool tohear from one of the vlogfathers. Does 
vids.myspace.com offer anybenefit to vlogging / vloggers?On Mar 2, 2006, at 12:39 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:>> The question in this thread is, again, can 
vids.myspace.com benefit>> vloggers / vlogging.>> What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting vloggers/vlogging?> Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure.
>> Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't really> look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion.>> :-)>> -Josh>>> On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:>> Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from both
>> creative and business perspectives. Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. And the flash matter - again. We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video.
 We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other>> codecs. The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com
 benefit>> vloggers / vlogging.>> On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:> Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad.
>> ...>> But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom gets a>>> substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and>>> return
>>> visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe).>>> Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ...>> ...>> Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Michael Sullivan



sure, if a vlogger wants the audience of many opposed to few then they should actively list in all directories, setup profiles all over, regularly ping blog trackers and so on and so on.  
On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Yes, this is not an easy question Josh ;-)The focus on benefits to vloggers / vlogging is deliberate, here, let'smaintain focus and see if there is something to be gained.Nailing down a specific or two would be ideal.
These video hosting services becoming communities (i.e., youtube) andcommunities becoming video hosting services (i.e., myspace) and servicebehemoths becoming video hosts and brokers (i.e., google) perhaps
should be part of videobloggers' strategy.Of course, not all videobloggers want a strategy and I respect that andthey'll have no interest in this thread. However those who would liketo expand their audience or earn from their efforts might benefit from
any of your good ideas.On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:24 PM, Joshua Kinberg wrote:> I think you could flip this question pretty easily and say:> "Does MySpace offer any benefit to bloggers?"
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread WWWhatsup

I went on and tried it weeks ago, with a iPod style h.264/aac mp4.

It sat processing for about a week, and then said
"processing failed. please try again.'

An exhaustive search for  help/technical info was fruitless.

I gave up.

But perhaps regular mp4 works.

joly



>> > The upload widget is the same. At the end I still have a "processing"
>> > message, though it's graphically different. So now I have the same
>video
>> > "processing" twice. Experience to date is that it never finishes
>> > processing...
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > best regards,
>> > Deirdré Straughan
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Paul Knight


Just for the record, I have tried myspace and I find it all very cringeworthy.  There i no way to add video to your blogs there, its just text and pics and as for the film thing, you have to log in right so I do, then it takes me to my home page and hey where is the films.I think I prefer Blogger for my blog, Blip for my Videos and Dailymotion for the flash.  Call me an old stick in the mud, but if we really have to turn to this side of internet to market our wears and to get to an audience, I would rather stay with a more mature audience.  It is 80% teens and early twenties, the olds that frequent this site may be interesting but it's not worth searching thru the all of the members to find a needle in a haystack.No, I don't think I'll be using this, unless someone else can prove to me how worthwhile it is.PaulOn 2 Mar 2006, at 23:31, hpbatman7 wrote:  I think by the very nature of how "big" myspace is would help  vlogging     I mean  I think vlogging is about expressing yourself, and who is to  say what is right or wrong about your _expression_ (within reason of  course)some of my vlogs are just about my everyday life and some are  creative outlets.  So am I a vlogger or an "artist" promoting his  work? And "could" myspace allow me to do both?  Honestly, I don't  know but just based on the amount of conversation this has been  generating I would have to say yes. But who really knows?  Myspace  may be forgetten in a year by the next big thing.  It's an interesting question and debate and one I suspect that will  be ongoing for a while --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Joshua Kinberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote: > > > The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com  benefit > > vloggers / vlogging. >  > What do you think? How do you see it as benefiting  vloggers/vlogging? > Perhaps its good promotion for your content? I'm not really sure. >  > Is it part of the shared ecosystem of the blogosphere? Doesn't  really > look like it. But maybe that's just my narrowminded opinion. >  > :-) >  > -Josh >  >  > On 3/2/06, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Josh, yer talking' apples and tangerines there. > > > > Rocketboom is not what the majority of peeps are creating, from  both > > creative and business perspectives. > > > > Your reply brings up the videoblogging definition matter - again. > > > > And the flash matter - again. > > > > We all get Rocketboom is different from drunk college kids' video. > > > > We all get that flash quality, sometimes, is not as good as other > > codecs. > > > > The question in this thread is, again, can vids.myspace.com  benefit > > vloggers / vlogging. > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:57 AM, Joshua Kinberg wrote: > > > > > Just stating a fact. Their image quality looks bad. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > But in terms of audience... I would counter that Rocketboom  gets a > > > substantial regular audience (probably more so in frequency and  return > > > visits than any single vid in the MySpace/YouTube universe). > > > Rocketboom is able to build a relationship with viewers ... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Then again, a lot of people probably don't care that much about > > > creative control or their own freedom. > > > > > > -Josh > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   SPONSORED LINKS  Individual  Fireant  Use YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS  Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web.    To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]    Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.  Do yourself a favour and Visit my Vlog  http://pjkproductions.blogspot.com http://pjkweddingvideo.blogspot.com  It's worth a laugh and (mostly) work friendly.   




  
  
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Peter Van Dijck
> is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to
> use it after High School and College?

I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
wearing those clothes in 10 years.

Myspace is about unsupervised hanging out, friends and identity.
That's why teens like it. Tomorrow's teens might use it in 5 years,
but today's teens won't. Unless the site radically changes...

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-02 Thread Joshua Kinberg
> > is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to
> > use it after High School and College?
>
> I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
> wearing those clothes in 10 years.

Now Facebook on the other hand I can really see that having
longevity because your highschool/university classmates end up
becoming your professional network too.

Facebook may not be as loud as MySpace, but I feel like there's so
much more potential there of course there is not yet an emphasis
on video and most of the network is closed off if you don't have a
.edu email address.

Someone recently told me that the difference between MySpace and
Facebook (many users have accounts in both social networks) is that
MySpace is the "avatar" me and Facebook is the "real" me. Identities
on MySpace are flexible and ever changing. Identities on Facebook are
more tangible and persistent.

As graduates move on from college, I'm sure they will be connected to
their alumni network through Facebook. MySpace, I'm not so sure about.

-Josh


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-03 Thread Deirdre Straughan



On 3/3/06, Eric Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
In a few tries, sometimes the server timed out with I'd say about 3 different styles/errortypes. Weird indeed. I'll be going through all the formats since the MySpace Video stuff isimportant to some things I'm doing on MySpace and elsewhere.
 Let us know what finally succeeds. I'll see if I have any luck with some other format.Personally, I want to get some traffic out of MySpace as payback for all the MySpace kiddies who hotlink photos from my site so I get lots of spurious traffic from them. I've had to add "image from 
beginningwithi.com" to a bunch of my photos, though I doubt any of the kiddies will ever go look at the originating site. Some of the photos have been used in very strange ways - one took a photo of my daughter and her horse and claimed (seriously or not?) that it was his horse that had died. ???
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-03 Thread Michael Sullivan



Funny, it's not 'videoblogging' but golly, it's certainly 'making media' of the longest tail'd variety.
true dat, yo ;-)word.On 3/3/06, Eric Rice <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, robert a/k/a r <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> Regarding the second question, the group interest, it would be cool to
> hear from one of the vlogfathers. Does vids.myspace.com offer any> benefit to vlogging / vloggers?I'm not a vlogfather but I'll wax the awesome science anyway. :-P
MySpace has a huge place for our podcast and part of it's video + live + on the streetsefforts... Three podcasts are populated from our communities on MySpace and with asignup of some 200,000 users a day (Head of Fox Online spoke at a conference tonight),
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Cuz they are posting and watching.Kinda like what we do with videoblogs.Kinda like what we do with video podcasts.Funny, it's not 'videoblogging' but golly, it's certainly 'making media' of the longest tail'd
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-03 Thread Michael Sullivan



maybe i'll create a myspace profile and its purpose is strictly to be a teasera lead-in to where I transmit. With either a single video, a single audio, a single picture or flash animation 
1 media element, cryptic, luring suck them in to see what I am up to.  Riptide that myspace style 
USE IT and BENEFIT on YOUR TERMS!
hmm, big bold font'n is fun, daddyo. :)sull
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In a few tries, sometimes the server timed out with I'd say about 3 different styles/errortypes. Weird indeed. I'll be going through all the formats since the MySpace Video stuff isimportant to some things I'm doing on MySpace and elsewhere.
 Let us know what finally succeeds. I'll see if I have any luck with some other format.Personally, I want to get some traffic out of MySpace as payback for all the MySpace kiddies who hotlink photos from my site so I get lots of spurious traffic from them. I've had to add "image from 
beginningwithi.com" to a bunch of my photos, though I doubt any of the kiddies will ever go look at the originating site. Some of the photos have been used in very strange ways - one took a photo of my daughter and her horse and claimed (seriously or not?) that it was his horse that had died. ???
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-03 Thread Pete Prodoehl
Peter Van Dijck wrote:
>> is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue to
>> use it after High School and College?
> 
> I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
> wearing those clothes in 10 years.

I dunno, I still wear the same funny clothes I did almost 20 years ago. 
(Well, when I'm  not working for the man.) Which is either something to 
be proud of, or ashamed of... I'm still not sure which.

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-03 Thread robert a/k/a r
Yes, I agree.

Look at these statements:
"An audience of tech-savvy males aged 18 to 35 is extremely attractive to many advertisers."



I think vloggers will have (at each vloggers' option of course, if it's desired to earn money) a good shot at earning a few bucks from our efforts if we get it together as a group.


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On Mar 3, 2006, at 3:55 PM, hpbatman7 wrote:

Which was kinda my point from my orginal post that was somewhat taken 
out of contextit is young "now" but will it still be in 5 
years...I keep saying this but it seems to get drowned out.I 
mean bands, comedians, and now filmmakers are putting there stuff out 
in myspace to build buzz, promote feedback and to try thinngs 
out.wouldn't vlogging just be an extension of that?



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Peter Van Dijck wrote:
is young but.and this is a big but.what if they continue 
to
use it after High School and College?

I think that's as unlikely as your daughter who is into goth still
wearing those clothes in 10 years.

I dunno, I still wear the same funny clothes I did almost 20 years 
ago. 
(Well, when I'm  not working for the man.) Which is either 
something to 
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-06 Thread Deirdre Straughan



FWIW, my video FINALLY finished processing and now shows up at http://profile.myspace.com/dstraughan ...but I can't find a way to embed it in my test page.
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Re: [videoblogging] Re: myspace video

2006-03-06 Thread Brett Gaylor




Myspace won't go away tomorrow, but the site is still aprimarily a social means of keeping in touch and identity...as the
main users of this site (16-24)grow out of this stage I can't see themsticking with it.
All my group of friends are on it - we're about 26-32 - about 20 of
us.  Most of us are filmmakers, musicians, or some sort of
artists.  The musicians swear by it, the filmmakers are either
fascinated or disgusted by it, and the rest of the people like to
collect friends like pogs and talk trash about each other.  We all
used friendster for a while and then got bored of it - this is slightly
different because it has such a critical mass of users and is now a
cultural phenomenon.  If you aren't on it, you are seen as missing
an opportunity.  Like I said, we're all "professional" artists so
are used to selling ourselves and aren't concerned about issues of
personal celebrity and all that.


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