Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Jan McLaughlin]

Here. Here.

Just beginning to work with the new Show Player now.

Grinding through the wee 3gp files.

Wonder what it'll do with the audio only?

Feels like Geek Christmas morning.

Jan

On 4/23/07, bestdamntechshow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've had similar experiences with blip.  They're awesome and always
> available to help in any way they can.
>
> We're lucky folks to have them around.
>
> _drew
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, eric gunnar rochow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> >
> > i think, by and large, that blip.tv has done well in the first
> > rollout of their ShowPlayer.
> >
> > gardenfork has become less and less a blog and more of what i call an
> > internet video show. gardenfork's audience is mainly people who watch
> > DIY-gardening-cooking shows on cable, and for some reason have run
> > across gardenfork.tv . they don't get the blog format ( meaning they
> > have to scroll down to watch older episodes) , nor do they know what
> > an RSS feed is.
> >
> > blip.tv's ShowPlayer works well for gardenfork. previously we ran the
> > brightcove player, but the company behind it was not nearly as pro-
> > active as blip is in our world here. i emailed blip 3 times today,
> > and heard back within an hour each time. this from a company
> > comprised of about 8 people.
> >
> > the initial rollout of any software has some bumps in the road.
> >
> > thx, eric.
> >
> > http://gardenfork.tv
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Jen Simmons]

Yeah, someone really needs to invent THE killer ap -- imagine it, and  
it exists. Funny how there's always a gap between those two...

spam :(
blip perfect as it is now :)
blip perfect as it will be :)

j


On Apr 22, 2007, at 4:32 pm, Mike Hudack wrote:

> Jen,
>
> We're definitely moving in this direction, it's just going to take  
> us a
> little while. Because of the way the blip software was originally
> developed it's a big difficult for us. But we do want things to work
> this way in the future, no doubt.
>
> In the meantime, it's in our roadmap to relax the e-mail requirements
> really soon. The one email/show/user requirement was designed to
> prevent spam. We're going to move to requiring a CAPTCHA for signup in
> an upcoming release (hopefully this one coming up in two weeks, maybe
> the one after that) and remove the unique e-mail requirement.
>
> From there we'll definitely be looking at ways to become more
> Blogger-like in the way we handle accounts and shows. It'll probably
> take us a little while, though :(
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> 



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RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Mike Hudack]

Jen,

We're definitely moving in this direction, it's just going to take us a
little while.  Because of the way the blip software was originally
developed it's a big difficult for us.  But we do want things to work
this way in the future, no doubt.

In the meantime, it's in our roadmap to relax the e-mail requirements
really soon.  The one email/show/user requirement was designed to
prevent spam.  We're going to move to requiring a CAPTCHA for signup in
an upcoming release (hopefully this one coming up in two weeks, maybe
the one after that) and remove the unique e-mail requirement.

>From there we'll definitely be looking at ways to become more
Blogger-like in the way we handle accounts and shows.  It'll probably
take us a little while, though :(

Yours,

Mike 

-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jen Simmons
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 11:05 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

In blogger, it's easy to have multiple blogs in one account. Sign in  
under one name, pick the blog to work on, and go there. In blip, blip  
assumes one person = one account = one 'show'. I've got multiple blip  
accounts going, and have to sign in and sign out to get to each one.  
Plus, in order to get those multiple accounts, I had to use unique  
email addresses for each one, and have run out of real email address.  
So now to create new accounts, I have to go make an email account,  
and then use that for blip.

Hm.

Can blip be retooled at some point to make it more like blogger? One  
sign-in. AND -- have the ability to add other people to the people  
allowed to work on that account. So I can setup accounts for clients  
using my log -in, and then invite them to join in... yet still be  
able to get in myself, and have those log-ins be separate. (Allowing  
me the ability to uninvite, and for each of us to have different  
passwords / not get into multiple people knowing passwords) -- just  
like how blogger works.

Jen


On Apr 21, 2007, at 8:53 am, Mike Hudack wrote:

> Andy,
>
> I would definitely suggest having separate blip accounts for each of
> your vlogs. The way blip is designed, it's best to have one account  
> per
> show.
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
> Blip.tv



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Yahoo! Groups Links

Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Jen Simmons]

In blogger, it's easy to have multiple blogs in one account. Sign in  
under one name, pick the blog to work on, and go there. In blip, blip  
assumes one person = one account = one 'show'. I've got multiple blip  
accounts going, and have to sign in and sign out to get to each one.  
Plus, in order to get those multiple accounts, I had to use unique  
email addresses for each one, and have run out of real email address.  
So now to create new accounts, I have to go make an email account,  
and then use that for blip.

Hm.

Can blip be retooled at some point to make it more like blogger? One  
sign-in. AND -- have the ability to add other people to the people  
allowed to work on that account. So I can setup accounts for clients  
using my log -in, and then invite them to join in... yet still be  
able to get in myself, and have those log-ins be separate. (Allowing  
me the ability to uninvite, and for each of us to have different  
passwords / not get into multiple people knowing passwords) -- just  
like how blogger works.

Jen


On Apr 21, 2007, at 8:53 am, Mike Hudack wrote:

> Andy,
>
> I would definitely suggest having separate blip accounts for each of
> your vlogs. The way blip is designed, it's best to have one account  
> per
> show.
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
> Blip.tv



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RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Mike Hudack]

Andy,

I would definitely suggest having separate blip accounts for each of
your vlogs.  The way blip is designed, it's best to have one account per
show.

Yours,

Mike
Blip.tv

-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andydragt
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2007 9:30 AM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

Can I just ask a clarifying question...

It's seems like conventional wisdom has recommended against using a
seperate blip account for each vlog. However, with the new show
player, it makes sense to have your content in seperate accounts. 
Otherwise it's pretty much useless.  

Heres the question: Is this "two weeks" comment about a solution to
this problem or should I begin to seperate my content into different
accounts so I have the option of using the player on one of my sites?

Am I right in understanding the "best practice" has been to have only
one account and cross-post to different blogs?

thanks all,

Andy Dragt

www.developinggr.com - a vlog about development in GR, MI
www.developinggr.com/house - a vlog about my home renovation...




--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Hudack" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Two weeks.  :)
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Mike
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the
> player?  Is this something that Blip is planning on offering?
> 
> 
> -Matt
> http://neovids.tv
> 
> 
> 
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Verdi" 
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good
for
> > things like user profiles on various social networks.
> > - Verdi
> > 
> > On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack  wrote:
> > >
> > >   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> > > "Steve Watkins"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff
> being
> > > > pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like
> > > > experience to be completely available from within a flash
player.
> > > > Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player
> are
> > > > hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of
your
> > > > blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting
> page
> > > > rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem
> > > > because the expectation may be that you embed their player in
your
> > > > site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you
> want. But
> > > > this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be
embedded
> on
> > > > another site or used as a widget.
> > > >
> > > > I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the
> player
> > > > so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner,
> which
> > > > is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice.
> > >
> > > Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip
shows,
> > > basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they
point
> to
> > > the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages.
> > >
> > > This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still
> > > takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only
thing
> > > that seems to update with the individual video is if you click
> "guide"
> > > and then "read more about this on blip.tv", which takes you to the
> > > individual video's page on blip.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill C.
> > > BillCammack.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested
> in the
> > > > past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether
> it be
> > > > through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the
> > > > inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab.
> > > >
> > > > I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit
> > > > tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being
> 320x240. I
> > > > see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it
look
> > > > quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to
be
> > > > displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide
> > > > players with separate episode bars to one side of the video.
> > > >
> > > > Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for
> wordpress
> > > > that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash
> player.
> > > > I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology
for
> > > > now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Steve Elbows
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> > > "Mike Hudack"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael,
> > > > >
> > > > > For some pe

RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Mike Hudack]

Ah, yes, multiple playlists.  They're on the list.  The Show Player is
already capable of accommodating up to half a dozen playlists, we just
have to build the interface to allow people to configure them.  They're
coming :)

-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jackson West
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 10:12 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

Rad.  I agree with Sull -- been waitin' for multiple playlists. :)

JW

On 4/19/07, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Two weeks. :)
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
]
> On Behalf Of mattfeldman78
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the
> player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering?
>
> -Matt
> http://neovids.tv
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
,
> "Michael Verdi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good
for
> > things like user profiles on various social networks.
> > - Verdi
> >
> > On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com

> ,
> > > "Steve Watkins"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff
> being
> > > > pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like
> > > > experience to be completely available from within a flash
player.
> > > > Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player
> are
> > > > hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of
your
> > > > blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting
> page
> > > > rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem
> > > > because the expectation may be that you embed their player in
your
> > > > site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you
> want. But
> > > > this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be
embedded
> on
> > > > another site or used as a widget.
> > > >
> > > > I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the
> player
> > > > so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner,
> which
> > > > is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice.
> > >
> > > Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip
shows,
> > > basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they
point
> to
> > > the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages.
> > >
> > > This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still
> > > takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only
thing
> > > that seems to update with the individual video is if you click
> "guide"
> > > and then "read more about this on blip.tv", which takes you to the
> > > individual video's page on blip.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill C.
> > > BillCammack.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested
> in the
> > > > past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether
> it be
> > > > through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the
> > > > inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab.
> > > >
> > > > I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit
> > > > tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being
> 320x240. I
> > > > see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it
look
> > > > quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to
be
> > > > displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide
> > > > players with separate episode bars to one side of the video.
> > > >
> > > > Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for
> wordpress
> > > > that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash
> player.
> > > > I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology
for
> > > > now, and go buymyself a

Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Jackson West]

Rad.  I agree with Sull -- been waitin' for multiple playlists. :)

JW

On 4/19/07, Mike Hudack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Two weeks. :)
>
> Yours,
>
> Mike
>
> -Original Message-
> From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ]
> On Behalf Of mattfeldman78
> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM
> To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player
>
> Hi,
>
> Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the
> player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering?
>
> -Matt
> http://neovids.tv
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Michael Verdi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for
> > things like user profiles on various social networks.
> > - Verdi
> >
> > On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> ,
> > > "Steve Watkins"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff
> being
> > > > pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like
> > > > experience to be completely available from within a flash player.
> > > > Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player
> are
> > > > hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your
> > > > blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting
> page
> > > > rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem
> > > > because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your
> > > > site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you
> want. But
> > > > this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded
> on
> > > > another site or used as a widget.
> > > >
> > > > I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the
> player
> > > > so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner,
> which
> > > > is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice.
> > >
> > > Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows,
> > > basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point
> to
> > > the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages.
> > >
> > > This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still
> > > takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing
> > > that seems to update with the individual video is if you click
> "guide"
> > > and then "read more about this on blip.tv", which takes you to the
> > > individual video's page on blip.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bill C.
> > > BillCammack.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested
> in the
> > > > past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether
> it be
> > > > through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the
> > > > inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab.
> > > >
> > > > I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit
> > > > tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being
> 320x240. I
> > > > see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look
> > > > quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be
> > > > displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide
> > > > players with separate episode bars to one side of the video.
> > > >
> > > > Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for
> wordpress
> > > > that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash
> player.
> > > > I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for
> > > > now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Steve Elbows
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> ,
> > > "Mike Hudack"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael,
> > > > >
> > > > > For some people the blog format is really important.
> Cross-posting,
> > > > > copy & paste and everything else we've built to support the blog
> > > format
> > > > > aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're
> > > going
> > > > > to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't
> > > right for
> > > > > everyone.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> 
> > > > >
> [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> ]
> > > On Behalf Of Michael Verdi
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM
> > > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> 
> > > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron & Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think
> options for
> > > > > people
> > > > > are important and I do like the ability to look through an
> archive but
> > > > > the
> > > > > price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog -
> permalinks,
> > > > > comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That
> player is
> > > > > really
> > > > > built o

RE: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Mike Hudack]

Two weeks.  :)

Yours,

Mike

-Original Message-
From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mattfeldman78
Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 3:36 PM
To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

Hi,

Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the
player?  Is this something that Blip is planning on offering?


-Matt
http://neovids.tv



--- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Verdi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for
> things like user profiles on various social networks.
> - Verdi
> 
> On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
,
> > "Steve Watkins"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff
being
> > > pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like
> > > experience to be completely available from within a flash player.
> > > Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player
are
> > > hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your
> > > blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting
page
> > > rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem
> > > because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your
> > > site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you
want. But
> > > this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded
on
> > > another site or used as a widget.
> > >
> > > I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the
player
> > > so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner,
which
> > > is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice.
> >
> > Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows,
> > basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point
to
> > the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages.
> >
> > This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still
> > takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing
> > that seems to update with the individual video is if you click
"guide"
> > and then "read more about this on blip.tv", which takes you to the
> > individual video's page on blip.
> >
> > --
> > Bill C.
> > BillCammack.com
> >
> >
> > > Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested
in the
> > > past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether
it be
> > > through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the
> > > inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab.
> > >
> > > I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit
> > > tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being
320x240. I
> > > see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look
> > > quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be
> > > displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide
> > > players with separate episode bars to one side of the video.
> > >
> > > Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for
wordpress
> > > that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash
player.
> > > I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for
> > > now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Steve Elbows
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
,
> > "Mike Hudack"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Michael,
> > > >
> > > > For some people the blog format is really important.
Cross-posting,
> > > > copy & paste and everything else we've built to support the blog
> > format
> > > > aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're
> > going
> > > > to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't
> > right for
> > > > everyone.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com

> > > >
[mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
> > On Behalf Of Michael Verdi
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM
> > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com

> > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player
> > > >
> > > > Aaron & Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think
options for
> > > > people
> > > > are important and I do like the ability to look through an
archive but
> > > > the
> > > > price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog -
permalinks,
> > > > comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That
player is
> > > > really
> > > > built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it
only
> > shows
> > > > and
> > > > links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go
> > on the
> > > > blip
> > > > blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip
blog to
> > > > leave
> > > > a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu.
That thing
> > > > pulls
> > > > in stuff completely out of context that you 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[sull]

yeah its using your rss feed on blip.
but you could change the embed code and include your blip playlist rss feed
instead.
look for file= in the embed code and change the url.
that would allow you to control the order of videos, albeit in a hacky way.
maybe one day blip will let users create multiple playlists. so you could
them for any purpose you can think of.

of course, there are other ways it can be done and I am sure blip will
explore them all.

send them feedback on their mailing list.

sull

On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   As far as I can tell, there are no parameters for "order" of videos,
> and there's no parameter for which video to start with. It seems like
> the function is an up-to-date player of your latest video, with the
> opportunity to use the FF and Rewind buttons to scroll through the
> videos one by one OR the option to use the "guide" and select an
> episode from the rest of the list.
>
> You can ask them in the blip user group:
> 
>
> --
> Bill C.
> BillCammack.com
>
> --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "mattfeldman78"
>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Has anyone found a way to control the order of the episodes within the
> > player? Is this something that Blip is planning on offering?
> >
> >
> > -Matt
> > http://neovids.tv
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Michael Verdi"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for
> > > things like user profiles on various social networks.
> > > - Verdi
> > >
> > > On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > ,
> > > > "Steve Watkins"  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff
> > being
> > > > > pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like
> > > > > experience to be completely available from within a flash player.
> > > > > Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the
> player are
> > > > > hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your
> > > > > blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting
> page
> > > > > rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem
> > > > > because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your
> > > > > site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you
> > want. But
> > > > > this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be
> embedded on
> > > > > another site or used as a widget.
> > > > >
> > > > > I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the
> > player
> > > > > so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner,
> which
> > > > > is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows,
> > > > basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they
> point to
> > > > the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages.
> > > >
> > > > This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still
> > > > takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing
> > > > that seems to update with the individual video is if you click
> "guide"
> > > > and then "read more about this on blip.tv", which takes you to the
> > > > individual video's page on blip.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Bill C.
> > > > BillCammack.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested
> > in the
> > > > > past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether
> > it be
> > > > > through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the
> > > > > inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit
> > > > > tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being
> > 320x240. I
> > > > > see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look
> > > > > quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be
> > > > > displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide
> > > > > players with separate episode bars to one side of the video.
> > > > >
> > > > > Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for
> wordpress
> > > > > that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash
> > player.
> > > > > I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for
> > > > > now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve Elbows
> > > > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > ,
> > > > "Mike Hudack"  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For some people the blog format is really important.
> > Cross-posting,
> > > > > > copy & paste and everything else we've built to support the blog
> > > > format
> > > > > > aren't going away. We're going to keep t

Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[pepa]

for video festivals is also great, for new submissions show up
automatically. thanks!

On 4/16/07, Michael Verdi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for
> things like user profiles on various social networks.
> - Verdi
>
> On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> > ,
>
> > "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being
> > > pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like
> > > experience to be completely available from within a flash player.
> > > Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are
> > > hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your
> > > blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page
> > > rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem
> > > because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your
> > > site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But
> > > this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on
> > > another site or used as a widget.
> > >
> > > I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player
> > > so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which
> > > is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice.
> >
> > Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows,
> > basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to
> > the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages.
> >
> > This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still
> > takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing
> > that seems to update with the individual video is if you click "guide"
> > and then "read more about this on blip.tv", which takes you to the
> > individual video's page on blip.
> >
> > --
> > Bill C.
> > BillCammack.com
> >
> >
> > > Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the
> > > past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be
> > > through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the
> > > inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab.
> > >
> > > I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit
> > > tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I
> > > see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look
> > > quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be
> > > displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide
> > > players with separate episode bars to one side of the video.
> > >
> > > Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress
> > > that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player.
> > > I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for
> > > now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Steve Elbows
> > > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> > > ,
> > "Mike Hudack"  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Michael,
> > > >
> > > > For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting,
> > > > copy & paste and everything else we've built to support the blog
> > format
> > > > aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're
> > going
> > > > to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't
> > right for
> > > > everyone.
> > > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: 
> > > > videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com
> ]
> > On Behalf Of Michael Verdi
> > > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM
> > > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player
> > > >
> > > > Aaron & Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options
> for
> > > > people
> > > > are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive
> but
> > > > the
> > > > price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog -
> permalinks,
> > > > comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is
> > > > really
> > > > built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only
> > shows
> > > > and
> > > > links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go
> > on the
> > > > blip
> > > > blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog
> to
> > > > leave
> > > > a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That
> thing
> > > > pulls
> > > > in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of
> > > > course
> > > > you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show
> > > > player
> > > > at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and
> > > > desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about
> > > > dropping
> > > > it.
> 

Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Michael Verdi]

Yes - point taken about it not being a replacement. It's also good for
things like user profiles on various social networks.
- Verdi

On 4/16/07, Bill Cammack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Offering both makes a lot of sense to me. I dream of this stuff being
> > pushed to the extreme and for it to be possible for a blog like
> > experience to be completely available from within a flash player.
> > Complexities quickly arise when the people providing the player are
> > hosting your videos, but are not responsible for the rest of your
> > blog, it leads to an understandable focus on the video hosting page
> > rather than your blog page. This may not be considered a probem
> > because the expectation may be that you embed their player in your
> > site, and your site provides all the other bloggy stuff you want. But
> > this doesnt cover scenarios where our show player may be embedded on
> > another site or used as a widget.
> >
> > I see the guide button is optional, and its easy to rebrand the player
> > so that its got your own site in the bottom right hand corner, which
> > is a clickable link pointing to the URL of your choice.
>
> Thanks for mentioning that. I had those pointing to the blip shows,
> basically by default, but I've switched them now so that they point to
> the blogs for the shows instead of the blip pages.
>
> This helps out the permalink situation A LITTLE BIT, but it still
> takes the viewer to the most recent post in the blog. The only thing
> that seems to update with the individual video is if you click "guide"
> and then "read more about this on blip.tv", which takes you to the
> individual video's page on blip.
>
> --
> Bill C.
> BillCammack.com
>
>
> > Id love to see the creative commons stuff thats been requested in the
> > past, be rolled out into this show player in the future, whether it be
> > through a little cc icon on the bottom bar of the player, or the
> > inclusion of this info in the popup 'about this episode' tab.
> >
> > I agree about the font size, hmm this stuff starts to get a bit
> > tricky, a big decision to break away from the player being 320x240. I
> > see that Veoh's player is rather large now, but this makes it look
> > quite good and leaves more room for additional info overlays to be
> > displayed in a larger font. Some other services have really wide
> > players with separate episode bars to one side of the video.
> >
> > Personally Im fascinated by the idea of a flash player for wordpress
> > that can display the entire blog, text video etc, in the flash player.
> > I was looking at WPF/E but I think I'll ignore that technology for
> > now, and go buymyself a copy of flash and join the fun.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve Elbows
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Mike Hudack"  wrote:
> > >
> > > Michael,
> > >
> > > For some people the blog format is really important. Cross-posting,
> > > copy & paste and everything else we've built to support the blog
> format
> > > aren't going away. We're going to keep those features, and we're
> going
> > > to keep improving them. It's just that the blog format isn't
> right for
> > > everyone.
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> > > [mailto:videoblogging@yahoogroups.com]
> On Behalf Of Michael Verdi
> > > Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 12:09 PM
> > > To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com 
> > > Subject: Re: [videoblogging] New blip.tv show player
> > >
> > > Aaron & Steve - you bring up some good points. I do think options for
> > > people
> > > are important and I do like the ability to look through an archive but
> > > the
> > > price is that you loose all the other benefits of a blog - permalinks,
> > > comments, context, choice of video size and formats. That player is
> > > really
> > > built on the idea that your blip.tv blog is your blog. So it only
> shows
> > > and
> > > links back to your blog posts on blip. Comments? They have to go
> on the
> > > blip
> > > blog (as long as the viewer know to click through to the blip blog to
> > > leave
> > > a comment). Plus you have to have the blip hot shows menu. That thing
> > > pulls
> > > in stuff completely out of context that you have no control over. Of
> > > course
> > > you do have control in that you certainly don't have to use the show
> > > player
> > > at all. I just think the blog part of videoblogging is important and
> > > desirable and I feel a little sad when people are so excited about
> > > dropping
> > > it.
> > >
> > > - Verdi
> > >
> > > On 4/15/07, Steve Garfield  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I put the new blip.tv player on my 'homepage' this morning.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.stevegarfield.com/
> > > >
> > > > I blogged about it here:
> > > >
> > > > http://offonatangent.blogspot.com/2007/04/blip-video-player.html
> > > >
> > > > In the blog post I say, "vlogs are dead. ;-)"
> > > >
> > > > It's a joke, b

Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[joshpaul]

I'm not that familiar with your efforts. Is there somewhere online I can
view them?

I'm essentially thinking using key/value pairs within metadata hooks
provided by QT, Flash, et al. Basically, come up with some type of schema we
can expect to extract, such as licensing restrictions, copyright owner,
originating host (i.e. blip.tv, youtube.com, ...) etc.

I think part of the problem is that the hooks are there, but nobody is
embedding the information. So, nobody's looking for it.

On 4/15/07, sull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Josh-
>
> Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle?
> (
> > i.e. key/value pairs)
>
> Can you ellaborate here? Because it sounds similar to some of my efforts.
>
> Thnx,
>
> sull
>
> On 4/15/07, joshpaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems
> > that
> > the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major
> > video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels
> > with
> > the file itself.
> >
> > Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to
> tackle?
> > (
> > i.e. key/value pairs)
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>



-- 
joshpaul

o: 818-237-5200
c: 818-667-0900
w: joshpaul.com


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[sull]

Right, and it was actually experimented with on vlogwall.com.  In another
recent thread I made mention of that too.
The idea of the vPiP approach and SMIL/RSS usage seemed perfect, at least
conceptually.  This was last Summer mind you.
So I made a gridwall of vPiP embeds of Video RSS Feeds (I just call them
vodcasts).  RSS feeds were transformed to SMIL.
I had added pre and post clips to demonstrate what could be ads, cc
licenses, branding bumps etc.
So an entire video feed could technically be played back right within the
embedded player and you could easily switch around to different
feeds by clicking the other vPiP images/embeds.

But, as mentioned before, Quicktime SMIL does tend to get overwhelmed and
can suffer buffering delays or hangups.  It worls better when every video is
optimized small clips and the user doesnt jump around the playlist to much.
So all in all, not ideal for the mass audience of net video, unfortunately.


It's all about Flash when it comes to web based playback and playlisting of
video.  It just works more smoothly than anything else and now that Flash
Video quality has improved so much in the past 12-18 months there is no
reason to take full advantage of the platform right now.

I also mentioned Jeroen's
Player
His is probably the basis several video services.
YouTube started off using it and I have been using it since he released the
first version long ago.
It's good stuff and he has been actively developing and fixing it over the
years.
I recently talked to Jeroen again about supporting SMIL extensively.
It's not a simple undertaking, but I think a SMIL smart Flash Wrapper is a
big deal and I am pushing for him to consider expending the time on
development of that (as well as myself and others).

Of course, you can do alot by way of custom namespaces in RSS or XSPF to
achieve all kinds of cool functionality.  But the idea of utilising a
standards compliant format and what I think is just an extremely cool XML
spec... SMIL could make a comeback in the web.  Its been around a long long
time and nobody really ever talks about it.  It is commonly used for mobile
phone networks however.  I just think it can be brought into the limelight
and be used creatively again and now with Flash as the wrapper instead of
Quicktime or Real.

Sull



On 4/15/07, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Thats brilliant news, cheers. vPIP is wonderful stuff, the flash
> > player being closed isnt exactly a big issue, I just got curious about
> > how everyone makes these things, and what efforts are out there that
> > are happy for others to build on top of them. I wouldnt want to do
> > anything that went against the spirit of what the creator intended
> > when releasing their stuff.
> >
> > Could you explain if/what sort of use of SMIL your vPIP can do? Is it
> > passing SMIL along to play in quicktime or something else?
>
> Yes, there's basic support for SMIL in quicktime (passing SMIL along
> should be the accurate description.) I haven't done work in SMIL
> myself, but setup support for SMIL in vPIP during debugging with
> Michael Sullivan having vPIP with SMIL on vlogdir.com.
>
> In the vPIP package the file, InitSMIL.mov, gives SMIL activation support.
>
> -- Enric
>
>
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve Elbows
> >
> > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Enric"  wrote:
> >
> > > I plan to release an open version of the included flash flv player in
> > > vPIP. Right now it's under development for features I'm writing for
> > > the cinegage site (not ready yet.) Once I can package the flash flv
> > > player so it has some commenting, cleaned up code and useable, I'll
> > > release that version under an open license.
> > >
> > > BTW, You can use any flash flv player in vPIP including the one by
> > > jeroenwijering. See
> > >
> > > http://vpip.org/home/playing-flash/
> > >
> > > -- Enric
> > > -==-
> > > http://cirne.com
> >
>
>  
>


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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[sull]

Josh-

Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? (
> i.e. key/value pairs)


Can you ellaborate here?  Because it sounds similar to some of my efforts.

Thnx,

sull


On 4/15/07, joshpaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems
> that
> the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major
> video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels
> with
> the file itself.
>
> Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle?
> (
> i.e. key/value pairs)
>
>


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[Rupert]

There are a lot of these players coming out now.

If it were possible to create permalinks so that a link would take  
you to the site AND make the player play a certain episode, that'd be  
perfect.

Crowdabout.us have recently released a similar large Show player - 2  
weeks ago - and allowed anonymous commenting without logging into  
their site (which you had to do before).  So you and your viewers can  
use their commenting and posting system, putting information and  
conversations at specific points along the timeline of your videos  
(with great RSS).  I strongly advise you to check it out.  It runs  
straight off your Blip RSS - they just pull in your flv files from  
Blip and then allow their commenting.

At the moment, though, I want people to be able to link to specific  
episodes, not just watch the latest by default.

I wrote to Crowdabout.us and asked them if they could produce another  
player, which allowed specific episodes to be played within  
individual permalinked blog posts.  I hope they're going to do it.   
If they do, I will switch straightaway to using their players.  The  
show player on the Home page and the individual players within the  
individual post pages.

This kind of functionality is moving towards what Steve Elbows has  
talked about here for a long time and which I am always very excited  
about the possibility of - everything contained within one player - a  
multipurpose blog tool.

The idea of making the videos themselves richer with easy custom  
hyperlinks and hotspots is also something I salivate over.

I think people will start to build all this stuff in as the more  
advanced players get more popular.  Wish it would all happen right  
now, though.  Technologically, I can't see any reason why it  
shouldn't.  Surely just a question of incentive, energy and  
inspiration.  Maybe Elbows will come up with some blueprints - now  
he's overcome his Flashphobia ;)  If I can help at all, even just as  
a sounding board, let me know.

Rupert
http://twittervlog.blogspot.com/
http://www.twitter.com/ruperthowe/
http://feeds.feedburner.com/twittervlog/


On 15 Apr 2007, at 19:45, joshpaul wrote:

Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just  
seems that
the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major
video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it  
travels with
the file itself.

Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to  
tackle? (
i.e. key/value pairs)

On 4/15/07, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >
 > --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com ,
 > "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > >
 > > Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet?
 > >
 > > Some details here:
 > >
 > > http://blog.blip.tv/blog/
 > >
 > > Cheers
 > >
 > > Steve Elbows
 > >
 >
 > I think this is probably one of the most important examples of where
 > video is headed: the containment of all information in the video
 > container. Containing descriptive text, links, comments, etc. Video
 > travels outside the website to mobile devices, internet TVs, etc. It
 > needs to contain all it's information along the way and this feature
 > shows this capability.
 >
 > -- Enric
 > -==-
 > http://cirne.com
 >
 >
 >

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Re: [videoblogging] Re: New blip.tv show player

[joshpaul]

Yes, metadata is key. There are already hooks available, it just seems that
the vast majority of people aren't using them. In other words, the major
video containers provide methods to embed metadata, so that it travels with
the file itself.

Maybe this is something the video vertigo team would be willing to tackle? (
i.e. key/value pairs)

On 4/15/07, Enric <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] ,
> "Steve Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Sounds quite interesting, anybody tried it yet?
> >
> > Some details here:
> >
> > http://blog.blip.tv/blog/
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Steve Elbows
> >
>
> I think this is probably one of the most important examples of where
> video is headed: the containment of all information in the video
> container. Containing descriptive text, links, comments, etc. Video
> travels outside the website to mobile devices, internet TVs, etc. It
> needs to contain all it's information along the way and this feature
> shows this capability.
>
> -- Enric
> -==-
> http://cirne.com
>
>  
>



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