Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
About the promised videos I think is not a big deal to hire a bounch of fine dressed guys, smiling and shacking hands after the big success of the demonstration. Somebody, passing nearby of his showroom have spotted some worker (super mario bros ?) quite busy probably staging the One-Megawatt-Cat show. I also have it on high authority that the Apollo 11 moon landing was staged. We must get our information from the same sources. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
Well, is so, it is well hidden. I went here: http://www.cedirectory.com/content/ce-products.php and opened a free buyer's account and have been searching products and company names all morning. I can find no indication that his product has a CE certification. Yes, I searched his wife's company EFA srl. Does anyone know if that is the actual legal name? T On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: From Rossi's blog using Google translate: Dear Mr. Rossi, (Has the) E-Cat 'already' been certified by obtaining the CE mark for marketing in Europe? Darius Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 AM Dear Dario: The CE for the business to business has been done. For household applications not yet. Warm Regards, A.R. A CE mark resembles a UL mark in the U.S. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
How can you obtain a CE certification for a product just assembled, not tested thoroughly, based on an unknown reaction, not characterized- singular? Bureaucracy has its raison d'etre. Peter On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, is so, it is well hidden. I went here: http://www.cedirectory.com/content/ce-products.php and opened a free buyer's account and have been searching products and company names all morning. I can find no indication that his product has a CE certification. Yes, I searched his wife's company EFA srl. Does anyone know if that is the actual legal name? T On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: From Rossi's blog using Google translate: Dear Mr. Rossi, (Has the) E-Cat 'already' been certified by obtaining the CE mark for marketing in Europe? Darius Andrea Rossi October 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 AM Dear Dario: The CE for the business to business has been done. For household applications not yet. Warm Regards, A.R. A CE mark resembles a UL mark in the U.S. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_mark - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
From Terry: Well, is so, it is well hidden. I went here: http://www.cedirectory.com/content/ce-products.php and opened a free buyer's account and have been searching products and company names all morning. I can find no indication that his product has a CE certification. Yes, I searched his wife's company EFA srl. Does anyone know if that is the actual legal name? I hope someone over at Rossi's blog asks him point blank (politely, of course) for information on where one can access this European CE business to business certification document. One assumes it ought to now be available on-line somewhere. I think it would behoove Rossi to make sure such a claim is verifiable... but then, trying to figure out Rossi's modus operandi has often been impossible to decipher. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
From Peter: How can you obtain a CE certification for a product just assembled, not tested thoroughly, based on an unknown reaction, not characterized- singular? Bureaucracy has its raison d'etre. Methinks Rossi has some X'plaing to do. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
Probably The CE for the business to business has been done has to be translated as we think about how we could obtain this document An other fairy tale for adults (except the identity of the very shy Customer) is this: We give an extended warranty for 2 (twenty thousand) hours of operation. (published yesterday) On what basis can you predict this? If many such statements will appear, I will cease to believe ad litteram everything Rossi claims Peter On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:41 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: From Peter: How can you obtain a CE certification for a product just assembled, not tested thoroughly, based on an unknown reaction, not characterized- singular? Bureaucracy has its raison d'etre. Methinks Rossi has some X'plaing to do. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Probably The CE for the business to business has been done has to be translated as we think about how we could obtain this document An other fairy tale for adults (except the identity of the very shy Customer) is this: We give an extended warranty for 2 (twenty thousand) hours of operation. (published yesterday) On what basis can you predict this? If many such statements will appear, I will cease to believe ad litteram everything Rossi claims Two years, three months for a megawatt reactor warranty? That's oddly arbitrary, I presume. By the way, I do not think there is a category for CE approval for the Rossi product. The closest thing I can find is a boiler using liquid or gas fuel. I suppose you could say the hydrogen gas is the fuel. T
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
This is hilarious. Rossi is more fun than the next 20 cold fusion researchers tied together. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
At 09:21 AM 10/24/2011, Terry Blanton wrote: By the way, I do not think there is a category for CE approval for the Rossi product. The closest thing I can find is a boiler using liquid or gas fuel. I suppose you could say the hydrogen gas is the fuel. Hey ... he's got it covered (per wiki) : Hot-water boilers Explosives for civil uses
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
Let us think of Rossi in terms of how he would fit into the great works of literature and drama. Think of the role that would best fit his larger-than-life persona. Merlin? Prospero? John Galt? No, Rossi is playing the Road Runner, and the rest of us, collectively, are playing Wile E. Coyote. meep meep! - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
Jed sez: Let us think of Rossi in terms of how he would fit into the great works of literature and drama. Think of the role that would best fit his larger-than-life persona. Merlin? Prospero? John Galt? No, Rossi is playing the Road Runner, and the rest of us, collectively, are playing Wile E. Coyote. meep meep! And what's the name of the secret company working for Rossi Runner? ACME? Oh, wait a minute. Isn't that the name of the company Wile E. always special orders from? Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: And what's the name of the secret company working for Rossi Runner? ACME? Oh, wait a minute. Isn't that the name of the company Wile E. always special orders from? Exactly! It is high time we file suit to correct this injustice. Here is legal precedent, Coyote v Acme: http://www.torinfo.com/justforlaughs/coyote_v_acme.html . . . Mr. Wile E. Coyote, a resident of Arizona and contiguous states, does hereby bring suit for damages against the Acme Company, manufacturer and retail distributor of assorted merchandise . . . Mr. Coyote seeks compensation for personal injuries, loss of business income, and mental suffering causes as a direct result of the actions and/or gross negligence of said company . . . As this suit shows, Rossi, as the sole provider of these devices, is abusing monopolistic power: As the Court is no doubt aware, Defendant has a virtual monopoly of manufacture and sale of goods required by Mr. Coyote's work. It is our contention that Defendant has used its market advantage to the detriment of the consumer of such specialized products as itching powder, giant kites, Burmese tiger traps, anvils, and two-hundred-foot-long rubber bands. . . . - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
In fine print, under the directions section, pertaining to one of Wile E's special ACME orders for paint: Do not attempt to create the illusion of a tunnel. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
There's only one thing to say about all this. mBeep, beep. -m From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 11:03 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: And what's the name of the secret company working for Rossi Runner? ACME? Oh, wait a minute. Isn't that the name of the company Wile E. always special orders from? Exactly! It is high time we file suit to correct this injustice. Here is legal precedent, Coyote v Acme: http://www.torinfo.com/justforlaughs/coyote_v_acme.html . . . Mr. Wile E. Coyote, a resident of Arizona and contiguous states, does hereby bring suit for damages against the Acme Company, manufacturer and retail distributor of assorted merchandise . . . Mr. Coyote seeks compensation for personal injuries, loss of business income, and mental suffering causes as a direct result of the actions and/or gross negligence of said company . . . As this suit shows, Rossi, as the sole provider of these devices, is abusing monopolistic power: As the Court is no doubt aware, Defendant has a virtual monopoly of manufacture and sale of goods required by Mr. Coyote's work. It is our contention that Defendant has used its market advantage to the detriment of the consumer of such specialized products as itching powder, giant kites, Burmese tiger traps, anvils, and two-hundred-foot-long rubber bands. . . . - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
On 11-10-24 01:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Let us think of Rossi in terms of how he would fit into the great works of literature and drama. Think of the role that would best fit his larger-than-life persona. Merlin? Prospero? John Galt? Bernard Madoff comes first to mind. But then, one thinks, Rossi's so much cleverer than the rest of us, surely he's the smartest guy in the room In the end, though, one thinks of the accuracy of Rossi's public statements, and perhaps name which fits best is al-Sahaf. But we shall have to wait and see how the game plays out to know for sure. (Oh, sorry, those weren't fictional characters I was referring to, were they? Oh, well... real life is often too strange to allow us to find good parallels in fiction, IMHO.)
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: On 11-10-24 01:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Let us think of Rossi in terms of how he would fit into the great works of literature and drama. Think of the role that would best fit his larger-than-life persona. Merlin? Prospero? John Galt? Bernard Madoff comes first to mind. Madoff was a smooth talker who inspired confidence in his listeners. Rossi says mind-boggling things and before you can say What?!? he yells meep meep! and goes charging off down the road. You can't keep up with the man. Rossi moves fast, but he does not inspire confidence in me, or in any of the investors I have spoken with. I cannot think of what the opposite of confidence would be but whatever it is, that's what Rossi engenders. Fear, confusion, a sense of chaos. An overwhelming sense that it would be insane to invest money with this man. Madoff made you feel you could trust him with your life savings. You could kick back and relax, and let Bernie handle everything. Rossi makes me feel I would be risking my life just to stand in the room when he tests his machine. He is like some teenage kid playing chicken on the highway at 3 a.m. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
On 11-10-24 03:17 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote: On 11-10-24 01:22 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Let us think of Rossi in terms of how he would fit into the great works of literature and drama. Think of the role that would best fit his larger-than-life persona. Merlin? Prospero? John Galt? Bernard Madoff comes first to mind. Madoff was a smooth talker who inspired confidence in his listeners. Rossi says mind-boggling things and before you can say What?!? he yells meep meep! and goes charging off down the road. You can't keep up with the man. Yeah, you're right -- it's not a terribly good parallel. The thing which made me think of Madoff is that he apparently went into the deep end head first with no exit strategy, which was interesting because it seemed like an insanely stupid thing to have done. Yet Madoff was anything but stupid. He couldn't exist in a well written novel; he didn't make sense. And that has always struck me as point of similarity with Rossi, in a gross way. Rossi moves fast, but he does not inspire confidence in me, or in any of the investors I have spoken with. I cannot think of what the opposite of confidence would be but whatever it is, that's what Rossi engenders. Fear, confusion, a sense of chaos. An overwhelming sense that it would be insane to invest money with this man. Madoff made you feel you could trust him with your life savings. You could kick back and relax, and let Bernie handle everything. Rossi makes me feel I would be risking my life just to stand in the room when he tests his machine. He is like some teenage kid playing chicken on the highway at 3 a.m. g - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
And I still think that the identity of the Great Customer is sig. Rossi himself. Or perhaps his wife. –Jouni 2011/10/24 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: This is hilarious. Rossi is more fun than the next 20 cold fusion researchers tied together. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi says he has a European CE mark
It's also my thought since a while. The high level of secrecy and mystery, strongly suggests that this move is another pathetic attempt to raise the fading interest over the web. Since the very very secret customer is secret the large positive reports will be released obviously by himself. So we will have to take his words as usual. About the promised videos I think is not a big deal to hire a bounch of fine dressed guys, smiling and shacking hands after the big success of the demonstration. Somebody, passing nearby of his showroom have spotted some worker (super mario bros ?) quite busy probably staging the One-Megawatt-Cat show. 2011/10/25 Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com And I still think that the identity of the Great Customer is sig. Rossi himself. Or perhaps his wife. –Jouni 2011/10/24 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: This is hilarious. Rossi is more fun than the next 20 cold fusion researchers tied together. - Jed
