RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited intelligence

2008-05-16 Thread John G. Rose
It's not just - oh now I recognize a pattern and can predict the next few items. It's oh I see and understand numerous patterns all intermeshed and have a rich knowledge base of raw and processed pattern data...and my operators are patterns, etc.. Most stuff in the universe is patterns, but all i

RE: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-16 Thread John G. Rose
Well SIP is an RFC - RFC3261 with numerous associated RFC's. Also SIP has wide acceptance and can operate over various transports like it can do TCP, UDP, TLS even RS232 if you wanted it to. And SIP establishes the connection for RTP which is another RFC with many variants. RTP also has wide QOS bi

RE: [agi] Re: pattern definition

2008-05-16 Thread John G. Rose
I don't know what the state of the art is in say facial recognition but I assume it is getting pretty good as is speech rec, handwriting recognition, etc.. but these are tailored solutions in specific domains. The progress of speech rec over the years, very resource intensive. 10 years ago the hard

Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Richfield
Steve, On 5/16/08, Stephen Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I naively expect misunderstandings and ignorance on the part of the user > to be reconciled via clarification dialog. > What else is there besides misunderstandings and ignorance on the part of the user? Is there something else for c

Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi Steve, thanks for responding to my post. I naively expect misunderstandings and ignorance on the part of the user to be reconciled via clarification dialog. Perhaps you accomplish this via regular expressions applied to the user's input. In my ideal system, constructions serve the functio

Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Richfield
Matt, On 5/16/08, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- Steve Richfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > *Does anyone else here share my dream of a worldwide AI with all of the > > knowledge of the human race to support it > > Yes > > > - built with EXISTING Wikipedia > > No. Wikipedia

Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Richfield
Steve, The missing and apparently impossible to reconstruct information, without which your plan cannot hope to succeed in doing what I am doing (though you might have different achievable goals), is a syntactical expression of what people typically say that indicates that they do NOT understand t

Re: [agi] Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, On 5/16/08, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Briefly, my thought re a super-medi-wiki is that it only presents > theories/contenders rather than definitive answers - and there must be some > ratings/voting system.Yes that favours conservative thinking which may > become out-of-da

Re: Different problem types was Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Richfield
Will, I have read and reread your posting and still there are some ambiguities in your meaning. Hence, I will presume (perhaps wrongly) to understand what you are saying and respond. If I misunderstood, then please feel free to correct me... On 5/16/08, William Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Re: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-16 Thread Stephen Reed
Hi John, good to hear from you. I appreciate your comment regarding Skype. At this point I can only imagine the message-passing characteristics of a massively distributed agent hierarchy. As the Texai use cases become more fleshed-out, it may very turn out that telephony protocols (e.g. e

Re: [agi] Re: pattern definition

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Tintner
John, I welcome you or anyone else replying, but you're essentially saying "It can be done" without offering any recognition of the problem, or any attempt at targeting a solution, just in the end blind faith - "give it enough bandwidth and there'll be an algorithmic solution." Perhaps the

RE: [agi] organising parallel processes

2008-05-16 Thread John G. Rose
There are ways that you could use SIP and RTP. I'm not advocating it but it is something that has crossed my mind many times. The conclusion that I've arrived at is a custom protocol modeled after telephony protocols since usurping existing ones can be a major PIA. But Skype does look good and they

RE: [agi] Re: pattern definition

2008-05-16 Thread John G. Rose
Mike, It's not all "geometric". Patterns need not be defined by vector' lines, or only magnitudes of image properties. The same recognition mechanisms in the brain are emulatable by mathematical, indexable, categorizable, recognizable and systematic, engineered processes. Even images of Madonn

Different problem types was Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread William Pearson
2008/5/16 Steve Richfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Does anyone else here share my dream of a worldwide AI with all of the > knowledge of the human race to support it - built with EXISTING Wikipedia > and Dr. Eliza software and a little glue to hold it all together? > I'm taking this as a jumping off

Re: [agi] Defining "understanding" (was Re: Newcomb's Paradox)

2008-05-16 Thread Jim Bromer
I had said: > But this means that you are > advancing a purely speculative theory without any evidence to support > it. Matt said: The evidence is described in my paper which you haven't read yet. I did glance at the paper and I don't think I will be

Re: [agi] Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Mike Tintner
Steve, Briefly, my thought re a super-medi-wiki is that it only presents theories/contenders rather than definitive answers - and there must be some ratings/voting system.Yes that favours conservative thinking which may become out-of-date. But users will still look for "outsider" ideas, and it

Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Steve Richfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > *Does anyone else here share my dream of a worldwide AI with all of the > knowledge of the human race to support it Yes > - built with EXISTING Wikipedia No. Wikipedia has the right idea that it reflects a consensus of knowledge with instant pe

[agi] Formal Language Expressions

2008-05-16 Thread Jiri Jelinek
If your AGI project supports a formal language (FL) communication, I would be interested to see how would be the following sentence expressed in that FL: "John said that if he knew yesterday what he knows today, he wouldn't do what he did back then." Thanks, Jiri Jelinek PS: Sorry if similar stu

Re: [agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Stephen Reed
Steve Richfield said: Does anyone else here share my dream of a worldwide AI with all of the knowledge of the human race to support it - built with EXISTING Wikipediaand Dr. Eliza software and a little glue to hold it all together? Hi Steve, I share part of your dream, in that I am strongly a

Re: [agi] Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, On 5/15/08, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >> Steve/MT: >> My off-the-cuff thought here is that a central database, organised on some >> open source basis getting medical professionals continually to contribute >> and update, which would enable people to immediately get a

[agi] AGI and Wiki, was Understanding a sick puppy

2008-05-16 Thread Steve Richfield
Mike, Stan, et al, I have recently had some interesting off-line discussions that may be pulling things together, so I thought that I would run the emerging concept up the flagpole here and get any opinions. I have previously posted here the horrific problems trying to deal with the Wiki people,

Re: [agi] Defining "understanding" (was Re: Newcomb's Paradox)

2008-05-16 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- Jim Bromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - Original Message > > From: Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I don't claim that compression is simple. It is not. Text compression > is > AI-complete. The general problem is not even computable. > > ...I claim that compression can be

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Re: [agi] Defining "understanding" (was Re: Newcomb's Paradox)

2008-05-16 Thread Jim Bromer
- Original Message From: Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't claim that compression is simple. It is not. Text compression is AI-complete. The general problem is not even computable. ...I claim that compression can be used to measure intelligence. I explain in more detail at h