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NDENT OF PHYSICAL REALITY, BUT YET HAS PROVED USEFUL, AT LEAST FOR
ENTERTAINMENT, IS THE HARRY POTTER SERIES, OR SOME OTHER FICTIONAL WORLD
WHICH CREATES A FICTIONAL REALITY IN WHICH THERE IS A CERTAIN REGULARITY
TO THE BEHAVIOR AND CHARACTERISTICS OF THE FICTITIOUS PEOPLE AND PLACES IT
DESCRIBES.
uman experience that
found the generalities of arithmetic to be valid and useful in the real
world of things like sheep, cows, and money. Of course there could be
semantics in an imaginary world, but they would come from experiences of
imagination.
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reflected, in the case of vsion by the paper by Serre I
have cited so many times). This gen/comp hierarchy bottoms out with
simple patterns in sensory and emotional input space
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Pei, Good post. Ed Porter
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Hi,
The current discussion on symbol grounding, to me, includes several
different (though relate
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s work I am very impressed. I think drawing
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consciousness is aware of.
Does any body else on this list have similar episodes of what appears to
be largely verbal conscious thought, or am I (a) out of touch with my own
conscious processes, and/or (b) weird?
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Jean-Paul,
Thank you for you kind comments.
I look forward to hearing about your system.
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particular mathematical thought. To a certain extent math is a language,
and it would be surprising if linguistic patterns and behaviors -- or at
least patterns and behaviors partially derived from them -- didnt play a
large role in mathematical thinking.
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ay a
large role in mathematical thinking.
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UMAN BEINGS.
IN SHORT, IT IS MY HUNCH THAT A POWERFUL BOOKWORLD AGI COULD BE EXTREMELY
VALUABLE. AND AS I SAID IN MY Thu 10/11/2007 7:33 PM POST, THERE IS NO
REASON WHY KNOWLEDGE LEARNED FROM BOOKWORLD COULD NOT BE COMBINED
KNOWLEDGE LEARNED BY OTHER MEANS, INCLUDING THE IMAGE SEQUENCES YOU
LOGICAL STATEMENTS IN A GENERAL,
FLEXIBLE, PROBABILISTIC LOGIC ONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO THEORETICALLY
REPRESENT MOST FORMS OF EXPERIENCE THAT ARE RELEVANT TO AN AGI --
INCLUDING THE VERY TYPE OF VISUAL SENSORY MODELING YOU SEEM TO BE
ADVOCATING.
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way.
So it would be good to have more than just learning from text.
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Dear indefinate article,
Agreed, a "human-like" reasoning system -- that is one that has
associations for concepts similar to a human -- requires human-like
grounding. I have said exactly that for years.
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Validmir is right for believing that it should be possible to build an AGI
that was well grounded in its own domain, without any knowledge of the
physical world (other than as the manifesting of bits and bytes).
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I dont know if, how, or how well NARS would handle all of the task of
performing the type of recastings you claim is desirable.
But remember NARS was part of Hofstadters Fluid Analogy Research Group
(FARG), which was dedicated to the very type of recasting you mention --
that is non-literal
y. IQ only measures visualspatial
reasoning, not auditory nor linguistic intelligence. Some mentally
retarded autistic people have extremely high IQs.
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> Dear indefinite article,
>
> The Wikipedia entry for "Flynn Effect" suggests -- in agreement with
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inference, so there is no reason why they should not be part of an AGI.
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s, that operated as subject and predicates in
sentences that are inheritance statements, rather than between entire
statemens, unless the statement was a subject or a predicate of a higher
order inheritance statement. So what you are referring to appears to be
beyond what I have read.
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ould welcome comments, not only from Mark, but also from other readers.
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ctor to successfully perform a heart transplant, once said
something to the effect of
If you think old people look bad from the outside, you
should see how bad they look from the inside.
That would presumably also apply to our brains.
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Charles D. Hixsons post of 10/8/2007 5:50 PM, was quite impressive as a
first reaction upon reading about NARS.
After I first read Pei Wangs A Logic of Categorization, it took me
quite a while to know what I thought of it. It was not until I got
answers to some of my basic questions from Pei
Great, I look forward to trying this when I get back from a brief
vacation for the holiday weekend.
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Thanks.
So as I understand it, whether a premise is major or minor is defined by
its role of its terms relative to a given conconclusion. But the same
premise could play a major role relative to once conclusion and a minor
role relative to another.
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you
would find the first of these two inductions has a larger truth value than
the second and that the third probably has a larger truth value than the
second..
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If you are a machine reasoning from pieces of information you receive in
no particular order how do you know which is the major and which is the
minor premise?
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tanding is wrong.
I would appreciate it if someone on the list with more knowledge of the
subject than I could point out my presumed error.
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hings you could properly call image
schemas.
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and understand symbolic logic slowly.
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e, and, if not, are you
allowed to send me a copy of the better one for free?
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virtually all domains.
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l and more importantly in the many levels between the semantic
and the pixel level is possible with todays hardware in limited domains.
It should be fully possible across all sensory domains with the much more
powerful hardware that the Serres of the future will be working on.
Edward W. Por
aw analogies in real time when
generating natural language output at the level people can, assuming there
is some roughly semantic-net like representation of world knowledge, and
lets say we have roughly brain level hardware, what ever that is. What
are the current major problems?
Edward W. Port
trying to solve already done (which is very helpful for what
it is trying to do), but which at least suggests a question about how well
it will be able to learn in areas where that type of hard work has not
already been done for it.
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basic approach, described at a very broad
level, could be mapped into a Novamente-like machine to draw analogizes
between virtually any types of patterns that shared similarities at some
level which seem worthy of note to the system in the current context.
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n real time.
Some have already spend a lot of time thinking about exactly this. Those
who are interested in AGi -- and havent already done so -- should follow
their lead.
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w powerful representational and behavioral learning can be in
the human mind.
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free technical content
On 10/3/07, Edward W. Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fact, if the average AI post-grad of today had such hardware to
> play with, things would really start jumping. Within ten years the
> equivents of such machines could easily be sold for somewhere betwe
AI post-grad of today had such hardware to play
with, things would really start jumping. Within ten years the equivents
of such machines could easily be sold for somewhere between $10k and
$100k, and lots of post-grads will be playing with them.
Hardware to the people!
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Good distinction!
Edward W. Porter
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Edward W. Porter writes:
> As I say, what is, and is not, RSI would appear to be a matter
GI community would accept that definition? A
lot of people on this list seem to hang a lot on RSI, as they use it,
implying it is necessary for human-level AGI.
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red with humans in many respects, have been amazingly powerful
considering many of them ran on roughly fly-brain-level hardware. As I
have been saying for decades, I know which end is up in AI -- its
computational horsepower. And it is coming fast.
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many tasks, greatly increasing their commercial value.
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for AGI coming fast, but one of
the world's biggest, fastest, smartest computer technology companies is
focusing on developing software using massively parallel hardware that is
directly related to AGI.
It's all going to start happening very fast. The race is on.
Edward W. Por
at am I missing?
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rary to those originally intended for it. It is my belief that a
Novamente-type system could have consideral room to learn and adapt while
still being restrained to avoid certain goals and behaviors. Afterall,
most of us humans do.
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ose levels. If the later were true, than again, it
would seem the term covered virtually any automatic learning system
capable of changing its behavior.
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avoiding the very real dangers its very great
power could bring.
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rning and control algorithms of the type most likely to be used in AGI
to operate as desired; what are the major techniques for dealing with
those problems; and how effect have those techniques been.
I would like to know how many other people on this list would also.
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Intelligence.
I also think having more reasoned answers to such
questions will actually make promoting AGI funding easier.
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noted that the mere fact there have not been any major
disasters in fields as new as biotechology and nanotechnolgy in no ways
means that all concern for such threats were or are foolish. The levies
in New Orleans held for how many years before they proved insufficient.
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Wow, there it is. That just about says it all. Take the content of that
concise evaluation and go on the road. That is what AGI needs. For general
PR purposes it doesnt have to be much more detailed than that. Talk shows
and news articles are unlike
Reilly
Engines of the brain: The computational instruction set of human
cognition, by Richard Granger
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