Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-28 Thread Gordon Joly
At 20:04 +0100 27/5/07, Kim Plowright wrote: I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Audience comms and complaints are outsourced to Capita. - You missed out a

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-28 Thread Christopher Woods
Bloc not block ;) -Original Message- From: Gordon Joly [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 May 2007 21:55 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Cc: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk; Timothy-john Bishop Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial At 17:43 +0100 28/5/07, Timothy-john Bishop wrote

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-27 Thread Kim Plowright
I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Audience comms and complaints are outsourced to Capita. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe,

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-27 Thread Christopher Woods
And the call-tracking app is being developed by iSoft... ... Two wonderful companies -Original Message- From: Kim Plowright [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 May 2007 20:04 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial I _suspect_ they just fob

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-26 Thread vijay chopra
On 25/05/07, Colin Moorcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I only got it once. Discrimination? Ofcom will hear of this... - Colin Good luck with that; I tried to complain to Ofcom about the recent Panorama on WiFi (The whole thing was blatently misleading, factually wrong and biased), but

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-26 Thread Andy
On 26/05/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good luck with that; I tried to complain to Ofcom about the recent Panorama on WiFi I think you may want to look at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/ Doubt it will do much good though. In my experience they feed you false information on the

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-26 Thread vijay chopra
I _suspect_ they just fob people off and ignore complaints they dislike. Or maybe I was unlucky and the two people I communicated with didn't do their job properly? Nope, that's normal; I used that site to complain about the changes to the 606 message boards, I was directed to a URL that I'd

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-25 Thread Gary Kirk
I just received an e-mail which seemed to confirm I was part of the trial - excerpt: We'll e-mail you your account details in just a few weeks and then you'll have access to hundreds of hours of programmes. :D! On 19/04/07, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It¹ll take a few weeks I

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-25 Thread zen16083
Me three ;-)) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gary Kirk Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 5:45 PM To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial I just received an e-mail which seemed to confirm I was part of the trial

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-25 Thread Andy Leighton
On Fri, May 25, 2007 at 05:44:50PM +0100, Gary Kirk wrote: I just received an e-mail which seemed to confirm I was part of the trial - excerpt: We'll e-mail you your account details in just a few weeks and then you'll have access to hundreds of hours of programmes. So did I. Well I got it

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-25 Thread Gary Kirk
No I got two too. I assume most or all people did. On 25/05/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 25/05/07, Andy Leighton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So did I. Well I got it twice to be precise - sent date within 6 minutes of each other. The same thing happened to me; does mean I

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-05-25 Thread Colin Moorcraft
I only got it once. Discrimination? Ofcom will hear of this... - Colin On 25 May 2007, at 21:08, Ciaran Hamilton wrote: I got it twice too, actually - I meant to say that but I forgot. Seems a little weird. I'm guessing it's just a glitch. On 25/05/07, vijay chopra [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Gordon Joly
At 19:30 +0100 18/4/07, Tom Loosemore wrote: On 18/04/07, Gordon Joly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Andrew Bowden
Do you think it's a generation gap thing? Or, like that recent article I read on DigitalSpy about the results of the DAB quality survey, people who don't vocalise their concern about lowering quality just don't fully understand what a good quality stream should look / sound like?

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Kirk Northrop
Andrew Bowden wrote: I'm far better on visual artifacts I must say. Interestingly though a colleague of mine from BBC News told me that surveys have shown people are far more likely to put up with a dodgy video picture if the sound is clean and crisp. Yes, it's well known (and proved) that

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Tim Cowlishaw
On 4/19/07, Kirk Northrop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, it's well known (and proved) that you can do what you want with the picture if the sound is OK. True but a slight exaggeration - A certain level of video quality still qualifies as an acceptable threshold, IMO. In addition,

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Kirk Northrop
Tim Cowlishaw wrote: True but a slight exaggeration - A certain level of video quality still qualifies as an acceptable threshold, IMO. In addition, crystal clear sound and crystal clear vision are both pretty useless if they're not in sync. Indeed. But as long as the glitches are small

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Kim Plowright
/me guesses, somehow, that the denizens of this list are somewhat demographically homogeneous. I got kicked off after about 60% when I said I was male. hhm. Oh well, perhaps 35-44 age bracket is already full. - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Richard P Edwards
No way Kim, I'm NOT normal. ;-) On 19 Apr 2007, at 13:28, Kim Plowright wrote: /me guesses, somehow, that the denizens of this list are somewhat demographically homogeneous. I got kicked off after about 60% when I said I was male. hhm. Oh well, perhaps 35-44 age bracket is

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Scot McSweeney-Roberts
James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have certified users (ie, license fee payers ;)) only which would

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread James Cox
On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:39, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the various layers of governance and gets budget to become a 'real' project, some effort into hooking up into bittorrent (I'm sure Bram could come up with some trickery to have

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Paul Jefferson
Do you know when we will hear if we are in or not? (Or is the fact that I've not heard mean I'm not in?) Paul (Long Time Lurker) On 19/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 19 Apr 2007, at 14:39, Scot McSweeney-Roberts wrote: James Cox wrote: I hope that if this gets past the

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Andy
On 19/04/07, Scot McSweeney-Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even with content from the BBC, I pay the licence fee so why should I pay in bandwidth as well? Because Peer to Peer is the only current scalable way of distributing content. Server to client just isn't scalable enough. Server to

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Mutt Baskerville
Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. They even gave coverage to some World of Warcraft expansion pack! Then again, I've never agreed with them on their definition of

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread James Cox
On 19 Apr 2007, at 16:07, Mutt Baskerville wrote: Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. They even gave coverage to some World of Warcraft expansion pack! Then

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Christopher Woods
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 April 2007 10:34 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial I have a DAB radio and I confess I can't tell the difference between (say) Radio 2 on FM and Radio 2 on DAB. I know some audiophiles who look at me in disbelief when I

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Frank Wales
Mutt Baskerville wrote: Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. They even gave coverage to some World of Warcraft expansion pack! Then again, I've never agreed with them on

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Andrew Bowden
Slightly Off Topic, as you mentioned Ubuntu ISOs, nice to see that the BBC is not covering this on it's technology news, it gave an awful lot of press to Vista. The BBC News Technology section is rather more mainstream focused - it's not The Register. And I think that's reflected in the

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-19 Thread Matthew Cashmore
It¹ll take a few weeks I would imagine before you¹ll hear much ­ the list is getting blasted at the moment as you¹d expect! I¹ll post up more information as I know it. m On 19/4/07 15:53, Paul Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you know when we will hear if we are in or not? (Or is the

[backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Ian Forrester
Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. There is no press

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Nic James Ferrier
Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to http://bbc.co.uk/archive now. Euuwww... that was

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Peter Bowyer
On 18/04/07, Nic James Ferrier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Forrester [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial,

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Gordon Joly
At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part in the trial, go to

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread James Cox
Ian - any idea how this trial is going to be delivered? any tech specs on the trial itself? i'm thinking scary black boxes and dial groups. wait, that was nielson. --- :) On 18 Apr 2007, at 16:39, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Tom Loosemore
On 18/04/07, Gordon Joly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Tom Loosemore
it'll be delivered via the internet... using that funny HTML stuff (streamed in Real/WM I expect, cos that'll make it easier to set up - it is a trial after all...). The actual site itself is very nice, IMHO (not that I had anything to do with it!) On 18/04/07, James Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Toni Sant
Forrester Sent: 18 April 2007 16:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Archive trial Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Richard P Edwards
Hey Tom, By making it UK centric, isn't the BBC missing the public values of an awful lot of us that no longer inhabit that island all year? Or are there pages written in Polish etc, just to please the total UK population. I wish the Trust would accept BBC internet presence for what it

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Christopher Woods
-wise (18-24 male bracket)... Or maybe that's why I wasn't accepted... Maybe I should say I'm a 74 year old grandma of 4? -Original Message- From: Toni Sant [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2007 19:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Richard P Edwards
for this trial. Is there a list of recruitment criteria? Cheers... ...t.s. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Forrester Sent: 18 April 2007 16:40 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Archive trial Hi All

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread James Cox
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: [backstage] BBC Archive trial Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30). So if your interested in taking part

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread James Cox
On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:34, Tom Loosemore wrote: it'll be delivered via the internet... using that funny HTML stuff (streamed in Real/WM I expect, cos that'll make it easier to set up - it is a trial after all...). The actual site itself is very nice, IMHO (not that I had anything to do

RE: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Eamonn Neylon
@lists.bbc.co.uk; Ian Forrester Subject: Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial At 16:39 +0100 18/4/07, Ian Forrester wrote: Hi All, Outside of the framework debate... The BBC Archive trial is getting closer to opening its doors. Exclusively I can now tell you that the register your interest form is up (16:30

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Chris Henden
Vocab is used for English - Somali on our South East Wales site: http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/southeast/sites/help/pages/somali.shtml (Cardiff has a large Somali population) Chris On 18 Apr 2007, at 20:04, Tom Loosemore wrote: The Trust have to base all their decisions on the needs of UK

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Richard P Edwards
Thanks Tom, I appreciate you suggestion, and will do. Vocab looks great. All the best RichE On 18 Apr 2007, at 20:04, Tom Loosemore wrote: The Trust have to base all their decisions on the needs of UK licence fee payers, first and foremost. But yes, a global internet, that challenges lots

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread Tom Loosemore
Shame. I love the idea of digging into blackadder and jeeves and wooster and all the other comedy greats -- but getting them in a format that is at least somewhat representative of their quality. Sucks that I'd have to stream it certainly encoding into divx or mpg would show some

Re: [backstage] BBC Archive trial

2007-04-18 Thread James Cox
On 18 Apr 2007, at 22:51, Jonathan Tweed wrote: On 18 Apr 2007, at 20:03, James Cox wrote: On 18 Apr 2007, at 19:34, Tom Loosemore wrote: it'll be delivered via the internet... using that funny HTML stuff (streamed in Real/WM I expect, cos that'll make it easier to set up - it is a