Keep in mind that setting a file level password is going to be the lowest form
of security. it will be easy for even a casually determined user to crack.
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> On Jun 15, 2014, at 8:03 AM, "C. Hatton Humphrey" wrote:
>
>
> Sathya -
>
> I'
Sathya -
I'm no expert on CFContent but you might be able to extend the concept
presented in
http://www.bennadel.com/blog/461-creating-microsoft-excel-documents-with-coldfusion-and-xml.htm
which uses a CFSaveContent to create an XML definition of a spreadsheet and
then CFContent to save the
Dear Friends,
Is there anyway we can restrict the user from editing the excel sheet
exported using cfcontent tag.
Your time & help is really appreciated.
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> a merge.
> Afterwards, I do a CFContent to view the pdf. Then I do a cfdirectory,
> get a list of the Directories and delete any directories over an hour old.
> This is not working.
>
> If I comment out the cfcontent, it works fine and all is well. Put the
I believe effectively issues an abort after execution (at
least the CF10 docs say so, not sure about CF9), so any code that
follows the is not executed. You might be better off
setting up a recurring scheduled task to do your directory cleanup.
HTH,
-Carl V.
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I am on CF9. I am making a temp folder and putting pdfs in it. Then I do a
merge.
Afterwards, I do a CFContent to view the pdf. Then I do a cfdirectory, get a
list of the Directories and delete any directories over an hour old. This is
not working.
If I comment out the cfcontent, it works
> I'm attempting to use cfheader/cfcontent to allow our users to download files
> and programs from our site. With *.exe files it is
> copying the file name correctly but the size does not match to the original
> file size. For example, the site has a file named WG.exe
> w
Randy,
This is more than likely your web server restricting the downloading of
.exe files and not ColdFusion. Check with your server config.
On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Randy Robinson wrote:
>
> I'm attempting to use cfheader/cfcontent to allow our users to download
> file
I'm attempting to use cfheader/cfcontent to allow our users to download files
and programs from our site. With *.exe files it is copying the file name
correctly but the size does not match to the original file size. For example,
the site has a file named WG.exe with a size of 1587KB, b
I am trying to create a word document with images. I have all the of the HTML
in a cfsavecontent, then I use that variable to write the document, then open
it with cfcontent. I have done this successfully in the past but now I have a
document with an image. How can I get it to use an image
Hi Claude
It appears on all browsers. i think the issue is in the adobe pdf reader, not
picking up the file name.
it seems to fall under the rubric. "Just when I thought I had idiot proofed the
system they invented a more advanced idiot."
My solution for now, or what I am prepared to put time
Well, I see. Then it definitely looks like a Firefox issue. Have you try with
Explorer?
I don't see what you can do from CF.
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Hi Claude
No classroom.cfm is the file that serves up the handouts.
person clicks on a link: classroom.cfm?handout=session1.pdf
classroom.cfm has
handoutfile is the full path and file name
This displays the file fine in the browser, but attempts to save it using the
browser pdf save func
>>
>>This works great for viewing the file, but the name of the file is
>>"classroom.pdf"
since there is multiple handouts the user is likely to overwrite previously
saved
files
Well, if the file name is "classroom.pdf", it must be because you have handout
set to "classroom.pdf", no?
~~
On 30 Dec 2012 at 1:05, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Claude_Schn=E9 wrote:
Hi Claude
The "attachment" option forces a download without viewing, I want the user to
be able to view the document and then save it if they choose.
So far there are two options that I can use in the serving page classroom.cfm:
Thi
You need two tags: one to set the file name, one to send return the document
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Hi Dan
That doesn't work
It opens the pdf fine: the url in the browser says
www.host.com/webinars/classroom.cfm?handout=ai-session1.pdf
and if I try to save the pdf file the file name is: classroom.pdf
What I would like to do is save it as: ai-session1.pdf
Rob
On 29 Dec 2012 at 23:45, Dan G.
te:
>
> >
> > try this.
> > http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?640127-changing-filen
> > ame-of-download-in-cfcontent
> >
> >
>
>
>
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save it if they want.
Rob
On 30 Dec 2012 at 2:34, Russ Michaels wrote:
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> try this.
> http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?640127-changing-filen
> ame-of-download-in-cfcontent
>
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try this.
http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/showthread.php?640127-changing-filename-of-download-in-cfcontent
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 1:50 AM, Rob Voyle wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
>
> I have a webpage called "classroom.cfm"
>
> It serves up a series of pdf handouts using
&
Hi Folks
I have a webpage called "classroom.cfm"
It serves up a series of pdf handouts using
handoutFile is the absolute path & #handout# to a non web part of the server
where the handouts are .
Works fine except when someone wants to save the file to their computer the
file
is called
We upgraded to CF10 over the weekend and now we are getting errors on large
cfontent file downnloads. The users say the download finishes fine for them
and they do not see any errors.
Error Message: The cause of this output exception was that:
ClientAbortException: java.net.SocketException: C
>>Once you use any
functionality that explicitly writes part of the response (CFHTMLHEAD,
CFHEADER, etc) you can't use functionality that lets you manipulate
the storage buffer (CFCONTENT, CFFLUSH).
I think it is actually the opposite:
Once you have used CFCONTENT, CFFLUSH, you can
>>Once you use any
functionality that explicitly writes part of the response (CFHTMLHEAD,
CFHEADER, etc) you can't use functionality that lets you manipulate
the storage buffer (CFCONTENT, CFFLUSH).
Not so sure about this.
I've noticed that the effect of CFHTMLHEAD is to find
> I came across a problem with CFCONTENT. Even if the attribute RESET="yes" is
> used, the content which was previously set by
> Ex 1:
>
>
> This shouldn't have the head section.
>
>
> Ex 2:
> This is in the head section
>
> This should
Hi,
I came across a problem with CFCONTENT. Even if the attribute RESET="yes" is
used, the content which was previously set by
This shouldn't have the head section.
Ex 2:
This is in the head section
This shouldn't have the head section.
In Ex 1, the text "Th
un on win2k3 server. We have a requirement to use secure downloads off our
file structure, based on cascading permissions. Both pages are currently using
CFContent to send the user the file. The app servers under equal load
conditions, going through the same router to an OC-3, are having a
as the names suggest, cfheader is for creating HTTP response headers and
cfcontent is for sending mime encoded content (generally that of a file).
cfcontent can set the mime content header but it's the only header it sets.
http://cfdocs.org/cfheader
http://cfdocs.org/cfco
> Difference between cfcontent and cfheader in terms its usage?
Generally, cfcontent is used to serve up a file from the server
through ColdFusion (could be a generated PDF document, tracking image,
or any other file you want to have ColdFusion serve up for you through
the code). You can a
Difference between cfcontent and cfheader in terms its usage?
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well this was an easy fix.
in CfAdmin there is a setting under the Advanced Settings to Enable binary
large object retrieval (BLOB). In my case, it was unchecked. On the New
server instance.
On Jan 30, 2012 7:13 PM, "morchella" wrote:
> so we have our file data stored in a blob.
> upgrading fro
so we have our file data stored in a blob.
upgrading from websphere cf7 to jboss. cf9
for some reason i cant for the life of me trouble shoot correctly.
some/most xls are no longer downloading correctly.
if i upload a simple xls it works.
so does an xls.
but existing binary data from a blob fiel
select
list parameters passed to the cfquery via form variable.
- a hyperlink in the form (not a submit), target="_blank" opens same index.cfm
using saveas=excel url parameter via cfcontent to display table data to Excel
instead of html.
- When the user clicks the hyperlink, the pag
Thanks for the info, now that the project is not hold anymore, I will do this.
I've used the POIUtility long ago, I'll check it out again.
> >> so I can't develop for 9 strictly yet.
> As an alternative, try the POIUtility.cfc. Like cfspreadsheet it
> generates a true Excel file. IIRC it sh
>> so I can't develop for 9 strictly yet.
As an alternative, try the POIUtility.cfc. Like cfspreadsheet it generates a
true Excel file. IIRC it should work on MX7 too.
If you prefer to stick with pseudo-excel files (ie html) there are a lot of old
css tricks floating around. Do a search on "m
Thanks Azadi, I know there are some additional features for the recent
versions. I am using CF9 on my Dev by still CF7 on Production, so I can't
develop for 9 strictly yet.
Thanks for your help
>no, there isn't. cfcontent basically just tells the browser which mime
>type t
no, there isn't. cfcontent basically just tells the browser which mime
type the content being delivered is to help the browser figure out how
to display it.
if you are on a recent cf version, check out group of
tags and related functions.
Azadi
On 28/06/2011 23:26 , Feras Nabulsi
Hello,
I am using CFContent to create an excel spreadsheet. The type of data is
different, some are currency and some are integers, ...etc. Each of these
fields once put into Excel should be specified in order to properly format the
spreadsheet.
Is there a way to specify a data type for
Ah wait, sorry, didn't read the message properly.
The answer is to use filename attribute of cfdocument - this saves the file on
disk, and doesn't send it to the browser.
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Use cfdocument not cfcontent.
Documentation at:
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How can I pass content to Cfdocument and have it create and save a Pdf in
the background without opening the Pdf?
I then want to use Cfpdf to append this Pdf to an existing Pdf.
I sure hope this is possible.
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Jason,
I am experiencing a similar problem. Did you ever find out exactly what was
causing yours?
thanks,
Stephen
> Thank you for the ideas. We are going to change the mime/type and
> also add some I/O logging to see if we can find a correlation there.
> Should we find the issue I will cer
be wrong for this problem from occurring
>
> Error:
>
> Attribute validation error for tag cfcontent
> coldfusion.runtime.Array is not a supported variable type. The variable is
> expected to contain binary data.
>
> I use the CF8 on my
Hello, I have a system by which countless times intermittently, the following
error occurs only with the browser refresh (F5), restores.
I wonder what can be wrong for this problem from occurring
Error:
Attribute validation error for tag cfcontent
coldfusion.runtime.Array is not a supported
I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this issue.
Use the following code to get files from the server for end users
GetFile.cfm
It works fine however, I do not see the 'Always ask for this type of file'
check box, it's missing. The type of file is noted as is the size in the
First, make sure that cfsavecontent doesn't introduce any spaces:
#myFile#
Second, I would include the file name in quotes in the
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I am converting some code that originally used CFFILE to write the contents of
a variable to a file on the server and then attached it to an email and
emailed. For security reasons, we have switched to https:// and are providing
a link for an authenticated user that takes the contents of the v
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> well it works perfectly in all browsers except safari (windows)...
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could remember if there's a resolution.
Good luck.
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Richard White wrote:
>
> >thanks for all the help, now works perfect!
>
> well it works perfectly in all browsers except safari (windows)..
>thanks for all the help, now works perfect!
well it works perfectly in all browsers except safari (windows)... have
searched the internet and found this is a common problem although even when i
add the suggestions it still doesn't work, can anyone spot what is wrong with
this code:
many
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> -Original Message-
> From: Richard White [mailto:rich...@j7is.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 1:22 PM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: cfcontent and save as
>
>
> Hi,
>
> for security we sto
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Hi,
for security we store xls documents in a non-web root folder. We then use a
cfcontent tag to serve the file to the user.
the problem is when the user clicks the link they are displayed a download
thanks for all the help, now works perfect!
> Hi,
>
> for security we store xls documents in a non-web root folder. We then
> use a cfcontent tag to serve the file to the user.
>
> the problem is when the user clicks the link they are displayed a
> download dialogue an
<http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-talk/message.cfm/messageid:339828>
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Andrew Scott wrote:
>
> As long as you use attachment as well as filename in the cfcontent you will
> never have a problem.
>
> So it should something like this
>
> val
As long as you use attachment as well as filename in the cfcontent you will
never have a problem.
So it should something like this
Regards,
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http://www.andyscott.id.au/
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> Sent: Friday, 25 Febr
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On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Richard White wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> for security we store xls documents in a non-web root folder. We t
You need to use the cfheader tag and tell it the filename.
Regards,
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> Sent: Friday, 25 February 2011 5:22 AM
> To: cf-talk
> Subject: cfcontent and sav
Hi,
for security we store xls documents in a non-web root folder. We then use a
cfcontent tag to serve the file to the user.
the problem is when the user clicks the link they are displayed a download
dialogue and all is fine if they click 'open with ms excel', but if they click
&#
Either of these should work for you...
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> I am generating a text file from an online database that needs to be opened
> by the VB application with a CHR(10) character delimeter between
> fields. The end user clicks "download" in my application and then saves the
> file to their computer to use with the VB application (3rd party
> wri
I have a web application that creates writes text string of data to be used by
a VB application and streams it to a file to be saved on the end user's
computer.
I am generating a text file from an online database that needs to be opened by
the VB application with a CHR(10) character delimete
Try mod xsendfile if you are on apache
http://tn123.ath.cx/mod_xsendfile/
Mark
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The reason most people use cfcontent like this is to secure files from
public access. The alternative is just to use authenticated access using.
Htaccess, this means users must login to access files.
Russ
On 29 Oct 2010 17:45, "Chad Baloga" wrote:
We are serving files from a file
We are serving files from a file server to users using cfcontent/cfheader.
When we upgraded to CF9, we started getting the java heap space errors when
users would try to download files larger than 250mb. We have the min and max
heap space settings on 1024mb. Are there any other alternatives
+1 for Dan's approach.
Dave
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 10:12 PM, Dan G. Switzer, II
wrote:
>
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2010, Dave Watts wrote:
>
>> You can't prompt the user to download a file if you're invoking the
>> URL with standard jQuery AJAX calls. You have to basically just fetch
>> the U
On Tuesday, October 12, 2010, Dave Watts wrote:
> You can't prompt the user to download a file if you're invoking the
> URL with standard jQuery AJAX calls. You have to basically just fetch
> the URL into a new or blank window.
I'd recommend posting to an iframe. You can even build the iframe
d
> Thanks for the example. My case it's a little bit different. I get the
> info from a db call and want to allow the user to download it as an
> excel file. And it works fine in stand alone mode but when invoked
> through jQuery the cfcontent is ignored.
> So I had to manually
> excel file. And it works fine in stand alone mode but when invoked
> through jQuery the cfcontent is ignored.
> So I had to manually open another window which will trigger the download.
>
> Thanks
> Victor
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Michael Gr
Hi Michael,
Thanks for the example. My case it's a little bit different. I get the
info from a db call and want to allow the user to download it as an
excel file. And it works fine in stand alone mode but when invoked
through jQuery the cfcontent is ignored.
So I had to manually open an
Here's a working example:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Victor Moore wrote:
>
> I think I may end up using this approach, to open a new window.
>
> @Michael the variable is expected to contain binary data. In my case
> is just a string.
>
> Thank you guys
> Much appreciated
>
> Vic
I think I may end up using this approach, to open a new window.
@Michael the variable is expected to contain binary data. In my case
is just a string.
Thank you guys
Much appreciated
Victor
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Tony Bentley
wrote:
>
> I usually locate to another page which holds t
I usually locate to another page which holds the cfheader code. What ends up
happening when you locate to another page is you are never redirected and
the page prompts to download. Doing it in jquery is unnecessary unless you
want to use a wait icon to ensure the processing is finished before
loca
P.S. I use application/unknown to force it as a download.
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Michael Grant wrote:
> Try this, of course swapping out the variable value to whatever var name
> holds you xls content:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Victor Moore wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
Try this, of course swapping out the variable value to whatever var name
holds you xls content:
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Victor Moore wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have a page with a button on it. When the button is clicked a jQuery
> script runs a cfc , which basically cfoutputs the query
Hi,
I have a page with a button on it. When the button is clicked a jQuery
script runs a cfc , which basically cfoutputs the query in a table,
puts it a variables and returns it
I need to download the returned table in excel.
Unfortunately it doesn't work and the table is displyed on the page.
I
Thank you for the ideas. We are going to change the mime/type and also add
some I/O logging to see if we can find a correlation there. Should we find the
issue I will certainly post back.
Thanks for the time!
Jason
>ON the other hand... I would expect a mime/type problem to result in an
>er
ubject: RE: cfcontent to serve PDF files hanging
Good call I think Jake...
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To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: cfcontent to serve PDF files hanging
The only think I could think of is use appli
Good call I think Jake...
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Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 11:02 AM
To: cf-talk
Subject: Re: cfcontent to serve PDF files hanging
The only think I could think of is use application/pdf for the Content-Type
(that is
The only think I could think of is use application/pdf for the Content-Type
(that is technically the correct mime type).
-Jake
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:33 AM, Jason Fill wrote:
>
> Our application uses cfcontent to serve back some PDF files and several
> times per day, the request
Our application uses cfcontent to serve back some PDF files and several times
per day, the request for a pdf will just hang, like 300,000 + milliseconds to
bring back a PDF that is already created.
The code we are using is quite simple and each users file is fully generated
before this call
I've had the same problem in the past. Instead of using a to load the
stylesheet, try this in the section of your page:
This will embed the external stylesheet into your page.
HTH,
Carl
> Hi All -
>
> I am trying to export som
Hi All -
I am trying to export some data to excel, and the CSS styles do not seem to be
working. It works fine when I use inline style attribute, but when I use class
attributes and link to the external stylesheet, it does not seem to be working.
I am using MS Office 2003. Did anyone face simi
Hi All-
Does linked CSS document apply styles to the HTML within cfcontent
(type="excel"). I do not see any CSS formatting in the excel document...
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> Subject: Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9
>
>
> Unfortunately changing the heap (to 1024) didn't make a blind bit of
> difference :-(
>
> Anyone got any sug
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Subject: Re: CFContent failing on large files since moving to ColdFusion 9
Unfortunately changing the heap (to 1024) didn't make a blind bit of
difference :-(
Anyone got any suggestions on a possible work around?
Da
Unfortunately changing the heap (to 1024) didn't make a blind bit of
difference :-(
Anyone got any suggestions on a possible work around?
Dan.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Daniel Mackey wrote:
> That's interesting. I don't get any messages logged and the server stays
> up
>
> I might
That's interesting. I don't get any messages logged and the server stays
up
I might give the heap space a lash and see
I'm always confused as to where to set the heap, perma and all that jazz and
what effects it all has
Dan.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 3:11 PM, Tom Chiverton wrote:
>
> Confirmed broken I think - congratulations, you've found a bug in
> ColdFusion
> :-)
>
> I'm on 64bit SuSE Linux here, so used the CF9.0.0 installer for that O/S -
> file not found in FireFox.
> Change the 'file' patch in CFCONTENT to a much smaller f
Update:
I now can't get anything to work on the box, because :
"Error","jrpp-15","06/22/10","15:10:25","billpack","Java heap space The
specific sequence of files included or processed is:
/home/chivertont/workspace/billpack/webroot/t.cfm'' "
java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space
Of cours
On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010 14:57:12 Daniel Mackey wrote:
>
>
Confirmed broken I think - congratulations, you've found a bug in ColdFusion
:-)
I'm on 64bit SuSE Linux here, so used the CF9.0.0 installer for that O/S -
file not found in FireFox.
Change the 'file' pa
Dan.
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Tom Chiverton wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010 14:11:24 you wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I was wondering if somebody could help with a problem we have encountered
> > since moving to ColdFusion 9 from ColdFusion 8.
> >
On Tuesday 22 Jun 2010 14:11:24 you wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I was wondering if somebody could help with a problem we have encountered
> since moving to ColdFusion 9 from ColdFusion 8.
>
> When we use CFContent to serve a file, it fails on large files (300+mb) but
> works on
Hi All,
I was wondering if somebody could help with a problem we have encountered
since moving to ColdFusion 9 from ColdFusion 8.
When we use CFContent to serve a file, it fails on large files (300+mb) but
works on smaller (-30mb) files. It fails consistantly without a ColdFusion
error, the
Mark:
>> otherwise I would say use mod_xsendfile
I have sort of gone down the IIS road but have found a company that has an
Apache emulator ISAPI that is willing to add that functionality to their
product. http://www.helicontech.com/ape/ I will see what they come up with.
Dave:
>> A symlink is j
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On Jun 17, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Dave Watts wrote:
>
>> In other applications I routinely use cfcontent to serve protected
>> files on
>> extranet applications however the traffic ( 10-20 files/day) is
>> nowhere near
>> as rigorous as will
> > Well, creating a symlink is a very easy thing, and it doesn't take
> > nearly as long as serving a file
>
> Maybe I am misunderstanding this concept. Could you provide a loose example.
A symlink is just a pointer. When you create one, you're allowing
access to the file from two different loca
>> Well, creating a symlink is a very easy thing, and it doesn't take
>> nearly as long as serving a file
Maybe I am misunderstanding this concept. Could you provide a loose example.
Thanks.
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> This was another thought as well but the issue there is moving those files
> back and forth programmatically with CF. I thought that it would use as much
> processor/threads as actually serving it up.
Well, creating a symlink is a very easy thing, and it doesn't take
nearly as long as serving a
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