Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/12/13 12:03 AM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: On 11/02/2013 Hagar Delest wrote: No real problem with reinstalling extensions after a major upgrade, I've done that too. But there is a difference between the mere inconvenience of reinstalling extensions and losing them completely (waiting that

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/12/13 12:41 AM, Rob Weir wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Le 11/02/2013 22:46, Rob Weir a écrit : My impression was that even if we made no changes, from the user's perspective, they would lose all extensions. This is due to the

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-12 Thread David Gerard
On 12 February 2013 12:42, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: I just did a basic test, seeing how long it took to load a large text document, in this case the ODF 1.2 specification. I looked at memory consumed and the number of seconds to load. I loaded the document once to reduce the

Re: Draft blog post: $21 million per day

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
Good morning. It is posted now. The URL is: http://blogs.apache.org/OOo/entry/21_million_per_day Regards, -Rob On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 8:54 AM, Sally Khudairi sallykhuda...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks so much, Rob. I'd prefer we go out at 8AM ET on Tuesday. I think we'll get the most media

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/12/13 1:42 PM, Joost Andrae wrote: Hi, in the moment I have just one question in mind: Who's going to adapt the Sun/Oracle extensions that contain Addons.xcu like presentation-minimizer.oxt ? well the extensions where we have the source code can be changed by volunteers. Maybe

Re: pdf export option for FilterData and ExportFormFields

2013-02-12 Thread Peter Eberlein
Hi Andrea, Am 05.02.2013 22:34, schrieb Andrea Pescetti: Do you mean that not only you wish that OpenOffice export fields as enterable fields (which it already does) but that the PDF file produced by OpenOffice should also support the ability to save form content? But is this ability a

Re: Draft blog post: $21 million per day

2013-02-12 Thread Sally Khudairi
Posted https://twitter.com/TheASF/status/301315097794596867 ...as well as sent to our media/analyst list :-) Cheers, Sally   From: Sally Khudairi sallykhuda...@yahoo.com To: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org; dev@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Sally Khudairi s...@apache.org Sent: Thursday, 7 February

Re: Will AOO write .docx?

2013-02-12 Thread Regina Henschel
Regina Henschel schrieb: I have written to Mathias Stürmer and ask, how to get the patches. I have got a private answers and waiting for the permission to share it. Kind regards Regina

Re: Performance test comparisons

2013-02-12 Thread inge
On Tuesday, February 12, 2013 07:42:49 Rob Weir wrote: I did some tests to see how we were doing, comparing AOO 3.4.1 on Windows against OOo 3.3.0. And since LibreOffice claims that their 4.0 release is much faster and leaner, I tested them as well, to see if we could learn anything. I

Re: [Call For QA Volunteers] AOO UI IAccessible2 testing work

2013-02-12 Thread Steve Lee
Andrew I think that binaries URL should be he following, at least for accessing the binaries. http://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/#w7ia2 As you point out however they are not there yet. Do you have an ETA? After Stuart's post of the NVDA list there has been quite a bit of discussion and

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/12/13 2:15 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote: On Tue, 12 Feb 2013 14:07:59 +0100 Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com wrote: On 2/12/13 1:42 PM, Joost Andrae wrote: Hi, in the moment I have just one question in mind: Who's going to adapt the Sun/Oracle extensions that contain Addons.xcu

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 01:42:42PM +0100, Joost Andrae wrote: Hi, in the moment I have just one question in mind: Who's going to adapt the Sun/Oracle extensions that contain Addons.xcu like presentation-minimizer.oxt ? This extension does not provide a toolbar of its own, it uses only

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Andrea Pescetti
On 11/02/2013 Andre Fischer wrote: On 11.02.2013 17:10, Andrea Pescetti wrote: A specification may need to leave room for implementation-defined behavior. Look at the C or C++ standard for example. Do you know of any example where this is actually a good thing? It is good for developers who

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Donald Whytock
...So I got curious, and I paged back in my email archive, and it seems this is the biggest AOO dev thread since the graduation vote back in early September. At this point, does anyone care enough about changing the status quo as to put up a coherent proposal to be voted on? Don

OT: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
I want to circle back and complete the relationship, if any, between the specifications of computations procedures and mathematics. First, there is no prohibition between defining any number of algorithms as computations on computer-representations of numbers. Mathematics allows all sort of

RE: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
RESOLUTION OF THE PROPOSAL The proposed change was made under CTR (Commit then Review). There has been a subsequent review and, as Don points out, the discussion has been lengthy and vocal. The objective is to achieve consensus. I believe it is clear that there is no consensus on the proposed

Re: Mwiki is moved into maintenance mode.

2013-02-12 Thread janI
When I look at the preceding mail in this thread, I see a lot of god suggestionsbut it seems its all still open, or did I miss a point. Regarding streamlining Mwiki, - there are no real proposals to reduce the number of catagories - it seems that everybody agrees on marking old pages

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Hello; I don't understand, I saw a bug (erroneous result returned by a function) and I fixed it respecting the standards, thereby enhancing interperability with the market leader. I am aware that Rob has a different point of view here but so far neither him nor Stephen Hawking has explained how

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Hello; I don't understand, I saw a bug (erroneous result returned by a function) and I fixed it respecting the standards, thereby enhancing interperability with the market leader. I am aware that Rob has a different

Select column in Calc

2013-02-12 Thread Galileo Teco Juárez
Select column in Calc as I can select from Python the value of a particular column in Calc or is necessary for the user to select? regards -- *Galileo Teco Juarez* *Web:* http://80bits.wordpress.com *Twitter:* @genitalico http://twitter.com/genitalico *Linkedin:*

Re: Select column in Calc

2013-02-12 Thread Galileo Teco Juárez
sorry mistake of translations this is the real question *how can i select the value of a colum in a specific cell. ie, select the value of 10 from the B4 cell* 2013/2/12 Galileo Teco Juárez genital...@gmail.com Select column in Calc as I can select from Python the value of a particular

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Pedro Giffuni
Ugh.. I haven't been following this thread at all ... I unsubscribed from the -dev list because I always ended up in absurd discussions and there was not much technical content either. I suspected it would be bikeshed.org material but in any case let me make things clear. - 0^0 = 1 is NOT

RE: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
The current behavior is in compliance with the ODF 1.2 OpenFormula specification. In that context, the current result for POWER(0,0) is not a bug. The fact that 0^0 is not defined (nor are 0^-n values) in mathematics (although some define them for various conveniences) does not mean it can't be

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: Ugh.. I haven't been following this thread at all ... I recommend reading the archives then, since every argument that could be made, has been made already. -Rob I unsubscribed from the -dev list because I always ended

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 02/12/2013 08:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org wrote: Hello; I don't understand, I saw a bug (erroneous result returned by a function) and I fixed it respecting the standards, thereby enhancing interperability with the market leader.

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 02/12/2013 08:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org wrote: Hello; I don't understand, I saw a bug (erroneous result returned by a function) and I fixed it

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 12/02/2013 22:31, Marcus (OOo) a écrit : Some facts from the issue itself: - open since 2010-09-09 - only 2 votes (from author of comment #2) Now 4 with mines. Hagar

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 12/02/2013 00:45, Fred Ollinger a écrit : Another idea is to return 1, but have a popup which says: We are returning 1 to 0^0 due to backwards compatability, but we this might change in the fure. Click here to never show this warning again and continue to return 1. Also, you can use strict

Fwd:

2013-02-12 Thread Drew Jensen
http://lasvegassuites.org/downrightawesome.com/nanw54.php?s=ot

Fwd:

2013-02-12 Thread Drew Jensen
http://lasvegassuites.org/downrightawesome.com/nanw54.php?s=ot

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 02/12/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 02/12/2013 08:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Pedro Giffunip...@apache.org wrote: Hello; I don't understand, I saw a bug (erroneous result

New page: Contributing Code

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
We had a thread before Christmas discussing code contributions and best practices for how someone could contribute code to multiple projects, e.g., AOO and LO. I've written this up, along with more general remarks on contributing code on a new page:

[DEV] Compiler/build error

2013-02-12 Thread Fernando Martinez
Hello Team, I followed the steps at http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO/Step_by_ste p to build AOO but I get an error after about 2 hours of building. The error reads as follow; BUILD FAILED

Completed Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

2013-02-12 Thread Maarten Kesselaers
Hello, My name is Maarten Kesselaers. I'm from Belgium and work as a project manager and EDI exchange expert. I used to code (Java, C++ and DOM) and helped other developers on forums, but I'm up to a new challenge. That's why I would like to help make AOO better. Kind regards, Maarten

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 02/12/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 02/12/2013 08:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Pedro

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 12/02/2013 13:05, Rob Weir a écrit : I don't know. I was asking a question. But I think this is an important question: Why would an extension author not update their extension for AOO 4.0? Some hypothetical answers: 1) The extension is unmaintained One of the top reasons I guess. I

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Marcus (OOo)
Am 02/12/2013 11:22 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 02/12/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Marcus (OOo)marcus.m...@wtnet.de wrote: Am 02/12/2013 08:46 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: On Tue, Feb 12,

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Hagar Delest
Le 12/02/2013 23:22, Rob Weir a écrit : But again, if you think that situation never comes up in real use, then let's not make the change, since it would have no benefit. You don't seem to see the benefit of the change: warn the user that there is something weird in the formula that requires

Re: New page: Contributing Code

2013-02-12 Thread janI
On 12 February 2013 23:19, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We had a thread before Christmas discussing code contributions and best practices for how someone could contribute code to multiple projects, e.g., AOO and LO. I've written this up, along with more general remarks on contributing

Re: 4.0 and loss of backward compatibility for extensions with toolbar

2013-02-12 Thread Rob Weir
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Le 12/02/2013 13:05, Rob Weir a écrit : I don't know. I was asking a question. But I think this is an important question: Why would an extension author not update their extension for AOO 4.0? Some hypothetical

Re: New page: Contributing Code

2013-02-12 Thread janI
On 12 February 2013 23:55, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:47 PM, janI j...@apache.org wrote: On 12 February 2013 23:19, Rob Weir robw...@apache.org wrote: We had a thread before Christmas discussing code contributions and best practices for how someone could

Re: Select column in Calc

2013-02-12 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 02:18:42PM -0600, Galileo Teco Juárez wrote: sorry mistake of translations this is the real question *how can i select the value of a colum in a specific cell. ie, select the value of 10 from the B4 cell* look at the API index for methods starting with G:

Re: [DEV] Compiler/build error

2013-02-12 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 05:13:00PM -0500, Fernando Martinez wrote: BUILD FAILED C:\source\aoo-trunk\main\hsqldb\wntmsci12.pro\misc\build\hsqldb\build\build. xml:302: Compile failed; see the compiler error output for details. If anybody could please help with this error and also tell me how

Re: Completed Introduction to Contributing to Apache OpenOffice Module

2013-02-12 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
Welcome. have you tried to build the source code yet? This may be a good starting place http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO On 02/12/2013 04:13 PM, Maarten Kesselaers wrote: Hello, My name is Maarten Kesselaers. I'm from Belgium and work as a project manager

Re: Select column in Calc

2013-02-12 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
Do you want to get, take, or obtain the value that is in the cell, or, do you want to select the cell so that it is the current cell? On 02/12/2013 03:18 PM, Galileo Teco Juárez wrote: sorry mistake of translations this is the real question *how can i select the value of a colum in a

Re: Tutorial About

2013-02-12 Thread jorge ivan poot diaz
Hello Ariel, I did the patch you told me, but I have not results. I would like to know what would be the equivalent of a code tutorial about for this new source code to generate the button. 2013/2/12 Ariel Constenla-Haile arie...@apache.org Hi Jorge, On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:06:12AM

Re: Updating Java libraries

2013-02-12 Thread Michael Lam
On 02/12/2013 12:01 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:35PM -0500, Michael Lam wrote: I have updated the external_deps.lst with the updated hsqldb information. If someone can give me some pointer into how to just retrieve the jar instead of the source You don't

Re: Updating Java libraries

2013-02-12 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Michael, On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 09:59:02PM -0500, Michael Lam wrote: On 02/12/2013 12:01 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote: On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 11:37:35PM -0500, Michael Lam wrote: I have updated the external_deps.lst with the updated hsqldb information. If someone can give me some

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Pedro Giffuni
(OK, I guess it's better to re-subscribe to the list). In reply to Norbert Thiebaud*: In the Power rule, which *is* commonly used for differentiation, we take a series of polinomials where n !=0. n is not only different than zero, most importantly, it is a constant. Of course we can use the

Re: Tutorial About

2013-02-12 Thread Ariel Constenla-Haile
Hi Jorge, On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 08:06:11PM -0600, jorge ivan poot diaz wrote: Hello Ariel, I did the patch you told me, but I have not results. Did you build it? Did it compile without errors? Did you copy the library with the modifications back in your installation? (you need to copy both

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
My preference is to leave the patch and return #Value On 02/12/2013 01:11 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: RESOLUTION OF THE PROPOSAL The proposed change was made under CTR (Commit then Review). There has been a subsequent review and, as Don points out, the discussion has been lengthy and vocal.

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/12/2013 05:07 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: Am 02/12/2013 10:39 PM, schrieb Rob Weir: Sorry, if it wasn't clear. I have a spreadsheet on my hard-drive right now that would be break if we changed the behavior of 0^0. And what is your *serious* use case for this spreadsheet? Beside to use it

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 02/12/2013 05:45 PM, Rob Weir wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Hagar Delest hagar.del...@laposte.net wrote: Le 12/02/2013 23:22, Rob Weir a écrit : But again, if you think that situation never comes up in real use, then let's not make the change, since it would have no benefit.

Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0

2013-02-12 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote: (OK, I guess it's better to re-subscribe to the list). In reply to Norbert Thiebaud*: In the Power rule, which *is* commonly used for differentiation, we