Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread jochen
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:28:20 +1300 jochen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > >>Ah well I guess I have to learn to use ctrl-alt x instead, or just keep >>a little patch for the default theme which reverts the reordering. menu >>order is a theme thing isn't i

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread Michael Jennings
On Saturday, 22 October 2005, at 12:27:19 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: > really i DO see bnoth sides to this argument, and both have merit. i > just think this one leans more tothe "change the order" side of > things. maybe in the long term we could provide ways of having the > menu re-ordered

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 15:28:20 +1300 jochen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Ah well I guess I have to learn to use ctrl-alt x instead, or just keep > a little patch for the default theme which reverts the reordering. menu > order is a theme thing isn't it? no - it's in the code :) > > personalyl i

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread jochen
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:30:38 +1300 jochen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > > >>David Seikel wrote: >> >>>When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater >>>usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my >>>theme to E17

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread David Stevenson
On 10/21/05, Jose O Gonzalez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:36:59 -0700 Ben Ford writes:> David Seikel wrote:>> >Alternatively we could always have menus re arrange themselves> based> >on frequent usage.  That would make everybody happy.  B-) > >> >>> NO.>I disagree, that

FWD: Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread dan sinclair
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Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread opengunfus-e
My comments are not here.. hmm what happend? [EMAIL PROTECTED] can you foward the private note that I send you in regards to this topic? Thanks. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > --- dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > A window manager does not know if closing this > > window close

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread opengunfus-e
--- dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A window manager does not know if closing this > window closes the > > application, or if closing this window can be > easily reversed by the > > application just opening it again. For these > reasons, I think that the > > Close item on the E17 win

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-21 Thread Jose O Gonzalez
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:36:59 -0700 Ben Ford writes: > David Seikel wrote: > > >Alternatively we could always have menus re arrange themselves > based > >on frequent usage. That would make everybody happy. B-) > > > > > > NO. > I disagree, that sounds like a great idea! And then

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread Ben Ford
David Seikel wrote: >Alternatively we could always have menus re arrange themselves based >on frequent usage. That would make everybody happy. B-) > > NO. -- Dear Outlook users: Please remove me from your address books http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=03/08/21/143258 --

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 22:48:55 -0500 Nathan Ingersoll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > Are there any plans for window menu configuration? Otherwise, re-ordering by > frequency of use might suit people better. Personally, I only use the menu > to setup remember settings. this has its uses - but also t

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:42:58 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:15:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:34:47 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > babbled: > > > > > the Close item on the E

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 16:30:38 +1300 jochen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > David Seikel wrote: > > When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater > > usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my > > theme to E17. In an effort to avoid menu hacking in a them

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
Are there any plans for window menu configuration? Otherwise, re-ordering by frequency of use might suit people better. Personally, I only use the menu to setup remember settings.On 10/20/05, jochen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: David Seikel wrote:> When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu f

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread jochen
David Seikel wrote: > When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater > usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my > theme to E17. In an effort to avoid menu hacking in a theme, I will go > over those changes and their reasons now. > > First of all is th

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread David Seikel
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:15:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:34:47 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > babbled: > > > the Close item on the E17 window menu should be at the bottom of > > the menu, and not at the top. The same argume

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:04:59 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:43:19 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the > > > application, or if closing this window can be easily reversed

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread The Rasterman
On Fri, 21 Oct 2005 11:34:47 +1000 David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> babbled: > When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater > usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my > theme to E17. In an effort to avoid menu hacking in a theme, I will go > over th

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread David Sharp
On 10/20/05, David Seikel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:43:19 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the > > > application, or if closing this window can be easily reversed by the > > > application j

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread dan sinclair
> The point is to make it a little bit harder to kill an application by > accident. Adding an extra two mouse moves and an extra click is a > small price to pay if it saves you hours of work because you > accidentally selected Kill from the menu. Notice that I didn't > advocate making the window

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread David Seikel
On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 21:43:19 -0400 dan sinclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the > > application, or if closing this window can be easily reversed by the > > application just opening it again. For these reasons, I think that > > the C

Re: [E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread dan sinclair
> A window manager does not know if closing this window closes the > application, or if closing this window can be easily reversed by the > application just opening it again. For these reasons, I think that the > Close item on the E17 window menu should be at the bottom of the menu, > and not at t

[E-devel] Menu usability.

2005-10-20 Thread David Seikel
When I made my E16 theme, I hacked the window menu for greater usability, and it looks like I will have to do the same when I port my theme to E17. In an effort to avoid menu hacking in a theme, I will go over those changes and their reasons now. First of all is the position of the Close and Kill