On 02 Dec 2013, at 18:46, Samiya Illias wrote:
Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages:
On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of
Israel by Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed and
females kept alive, It reads that it was a great t
On 12/2/2013 2:01 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Dec 2013, at 06:11, Samiya Illias wrote:
This is strange! What 'theism' it is if it limits God?
Making It consistent is not really limiting it.
Accepting the idea that God can be inconsistent quickly leads to inconsistent theology,
which is th
On 12/2/2013 1:04 AM, Samiya Illias wrote:
No reason at all. I'm just sharing my understanding on the topic, so that
No, you are just asserting your position. That's not "understanding". Understanding
something implies knowing reasons why it might be true, being able to infer consequences
a
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 2:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
> Yes. After St-Thomas, most catholic theologian agree that God cannot make
> 17 into a composite number. God obeys to logic,
>
So the God theory has zero explanatory power and even if God does exist He
is just as mystified as to why there is
On 02 Dec 2013, at 14:58, Jesse Mazer wrote:
The Muslim philosophers and theologians I have found addressing the
issue seem to agree that there are "necessary" truths that God
cannot change, which include logical necessity. Examples:
From http://www.muslimphilosophy.com/ip/rep/K057 on Abu
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
> Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages:
> On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by
> Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed and females kept
> alive, It reads that it was
t;>
>>>> I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> Bruno
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 02-Dec-2013, at 4:13 AM, Jesse Mazer w
Below, I'm paraphrasing from memory a couple of passages:
On the subject of the persecution of the 'Bani Israel' Children of Israel by
Pharoah, such that the male children were being killed and females kept alive,
It reads that it was a great trial from God.
At another place, it reads that know
rchy illusion but quickly degrading into fascism -- fascism
>> had more powerful binding myths to offer, and a lesson had to be learned).
>> Of course, as you point out, republics come with a myth set of their own.
>>
>> Modern law is a very sophisticated, if perverse syst
uot;necessary" truths, which for theists
> might include things like moral rules, or qualities of God such as
> omnipotence). Do you think the Mandelbrot set, or any other piece of pure
> mathematics, functions without a government, or are mathematical rules
> themselves a form of
On 02 Dec 2013, at 13:39, Samiya Illias wrote:
I agree that God is consistent. In my understanding, God is perfect
in every possible meaning of the word.
Is God perfect for the children in Syria? (Easy question on an hard
subject)
Here, you might hope that God will succeed in consolatin
ower to alter them (or any other "necessary" truths, which for
>>>>> theists might include things like moral rules, or qualities of God such
>>>>> as omnipotence). Do you think the Mandelbrot set, or any other piece of
>>>>> pure mathematics,
n, we have to know, in a self-interested way, what
> good/benefit does knowing about God do for us. A ridiculous statement, and
> yet, We the Who in Whoville, to quote Dr. Suess-Geisel, need to know.
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are mathematical rules
> themselves a form of government even if God didn't create them? Certainly
> most atheists now think the universe follows mathematical laws, and one
> could even adopt Max Tegmark's idea and speculate that our universe is just
> another part of the u
-rationalise punishment for
> breaking unwritten rules that nobody wants to acknowledge but all want to
> enforce.
>
> Telmo.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/1 LizR
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>>> Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I
>>>
A ridiculous statement, and
> yet, We the Who in Whoville, to quote Dr. Suess-Geisel, need to know.
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> From: Samiya Illias
> To: everything-list
> Sent: Mon, Dec 2, 2013 12:13 am
> Subject: Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?
>
> This is str
e
>>> mathematics, functions without a government, or are mathematical rules
>>> themselves a form of government even if God didn't create them? Certainly
>>> most atheists now think the universe follows mathematical laws, and one
>>> could even adopt Max
, and yet, We the Who in
Whoville, to quote Dr. Suess-Geisel, need to know.
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Sent: Mon, Dec 2, 2013 12:13 am
Subject: Re: How can a grown man be an atheist ?
This is strange! What 'theism' it is if it limits God? We b
By the way, Tegmark has a new book coming out Jan 14, I do recall.
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On 2 December 2013 12:51, Jesse Mazer wrote:
To add to my last comment, the article
't create them? Certainly most atheists
now think the universe follows mathematical laws, and one could
even adopt Max Tegmark's idea and speculate that our universe is
just another part of the uncreated Platonic realm of mathematical
forms.
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clou
No reason at all. I'm just sharing my understanding on the topic, so that
1) if I'm wrong, someone will point out the flaw in my understanding
2) if my understanding is generally pointing towards the correct theory /
belief, perhaps it'll be of use to someone.
Samiya
Sent from my iPhone
On
even
adopt Max Tegmark's idea and speculate that our universe is just
another part of the uncreated Platonic realm of mathematical forms.
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote:
How can a grown man be an atheist ?
An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
functio
digm of
the (weak) materialists (the materialism of the believer in primitive
matter).
It is a bit weird, as Tegmark interprets correctly QM (with respect to
comp) and Everett QM already break the aristotelian identity thesis,
imo.
Bruno
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote:
How
On 12/1/2013 9:11 PM, Samiya Illias wrote:
This is strange! What 'theism' it is if it limits God? We believe that God is the
Reality, the Prime Originator, the Sustainer, and the Final Goal. Everything is as God
wills and allows it to be.
That's what you say you believe. But is there any reas
ws mathematical laws, and one could
> even adopt Max Tegmark's idea and speculate that our universe is just another
> part of the uncreated Platonic realm of mathematical forms.
>
>
> On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote:
>> How can a grown man be an
On 2 December 2013 12:51, Jesse Mazer wrote:
> To add to my last comment, the article at
> http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/leibniz-modal/ mentions that Leibniz
> was among those philosophers who distinguished between necessary and
> contingent truths, and only granted God the power to change co
speculate that our universe is just
> another part of the uncreated Platonic realm of mathematical forms.
>
>
> On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote:
>
>> How can a grown man be an atheist ?
>>
>> An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
post-rationalise punishment for
breaking unwritten rules that nobody wants to acknowledge but all want to
enforce.
Telmo.
>
>
>
> 2013/12/1 LizR
>
>> Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I would
>> say.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2
one
could even adopt Max Tegmark's idea and speculate that our universe is just
another part of the uncreated Platonic realm of mathematical forms.
On Sunday, December 1, 2013, Roger Clough wrote:
> How can a grown man be an atheist ?
>
> An atheist is a person who believes that the un
uman mind can not live withouth myths. If he reject
> the given ones, he invent its own.
>
>
>
>
> 2013/12/1 LizR
>
>> Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I would
>> say.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough
On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough wrote:
>
>> How can a grown man be an atheist ?
>>
>> An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
>> function without some form of government.
>>
>> How silly.
>>
>>
>> Dr. Roger B Clough N
seemed to grasp
> what's possible with simple rules and building blocks.
>
> This does not explain consciousness, of course. There are enough deep
> mysteries to existence as is.
>
> Telmo.
>
>
>> On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough wrote:
>>
>>>
med to grasp
what's possible with simple rules and building blocks.
This does not explain consciousness, of course. There are enough deep
mysteries to existence as is.
Telmo.
> On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough wrote:
>
>> How can a grown man be an atheist ?
>>
>&
Because there are no obvious signs of government in the universe, I would
say.
On 2 December 2013 10:29, Roger Clough wrote:
> How can a grown man be an atheist ?
>
> An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
> function without some form of government.
&
How can a grown man be an atheist ?
An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
function without some form of government.
How silly.
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
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How can a grown man be an atheist ?
An atheist is a person who believes that the universe can
function without some form of government.
How silly.
Dr. Roger B Clough NIST (ret.) [1/1/2000]
See my Leibniz site at
http://independent.academia.edu/RogerClough
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