Re: Runtime library license, was Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Basile STARYNKEVITCH
Ian Lance Taylor wrote: NightStrike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: There is a simple technique which anybody is free to use to make this happen much faster: make a large donation to the SFLC and/or the FSF, contingent on this issue being finished. In the absence of that, it will happen in the tim

Re: Runtime library license, was Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
NightStrike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> There is a simple technique which anybody is free to use to make this >> happen much faster: make a large donation to the SFLC and/or the FSF, >> contingent on this issue being finished. In the absence of that, it >> will happen in the time that people h

Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Chris Lattner
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:02 AM, Duncan Sands wrote: However if GPLv3 is such a huge issue at Apple, it does make one wonder if llvm will ever see a gcc front-end newer than the current 4.2 one. The LLVM folks are writing a new frontend anyhow. In the future they presumably plan to stop using

Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Chris Lattner
On Sep 24, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Jack Howarth wrote: The SC knows of the issue Still, after six months it would be nice to have a clearer idea of what will happen with respect to Darwin/ObjC, especially since the previous statement (which I suppose was "as clear as" Mike could do) was buried

Re: Runtime library license, was Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread NightStrike
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:26 AM, Ian Lance Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Basile STARYNKEVITCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Is it top secret information only available to some few members of the >> Steering Committee, or is some information sharable on this list? Just >> knowing that inde

Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Jack Howarth
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 04:33:35PM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > > Well at least that explains their total inactivity in the last year. Is Dale > > the one still allowed to read the gcc-patches mailing list? > > No, that would be Stan just because he's not at Apple. > > It must be said also that

Re: Runtime library license, was Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Basile STARYNKEVITCH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Is it top secret information only available to some few members of the > Steering Committee, or is some information sharable on this list? Just > knowing that indeed a runtime library license will be finalized before > Christmas (ie in 2008) and t

Runtime library license, was Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Basile STARYNKEVITCH
Ian Lance Taylor wrote: Paolo Bonzini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: It's sad, but I think that there is need for the SC to take action on this. I personally don't think there is any need to remove them as maintainers until the FSF finally produces the GPLv3 version of the runtime library license

Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Duncan Sands
> > However if GPLv3 is such a huge issue > > at Apple, it does make one wonder if llvm will ever see a gcc front-end > > newer > > than the current 4.2 one. > > The LLVM folks are writing a new frontend anyhow. In the future they > presumably plan to stop using the gcc frontend. gcc's code is

Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Ian Lance Taylor
Paolo Bonzini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ah, actually I think I now see the OP's point. Apple is scared of the > GPLv3 because the iPhone might violate it, so they are not contributing > to anything that falls under the GPLv3. ... > 1) does it make sense to keep a maintainer category that is

Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Paolo Bonzini
> Well at least that explains their total inactivity in the last year. Is Dale > the one still allowed to read the gcc-patches mailing list? No, that would be Stan just because he's not at Apple. It must be said also that Mike Stump accepted to review/discuss Darwin/ObjC patches that he was CCed

Re: Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Jack Howarth
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:47:18AM +0200, Paolo Bonzini wrote: > Peter O'Gorman wrote: > > Yuhong Bao wrote: > >> and Apple uses GCC (which is now under GPLv3) and Mac OS X on it. > >> Unfortunately, the iPhone is incompatible with GPLv3, if you want more see > >> the link I mentioned. > > > > App

Apple-employed maintainers (was Re: Apple, iPhone, and GPLv3 troubles)

2008-09-24 Thread Paolo Bonzini
Peter O'Gorman wrote: > Yuhong Bao wrote: >> and Apple uses GCC (which is now under GPLv3) and Mac OS X on it. >> Unfortunately, the iPhone is incompatible with GPLv3, if you want more see >> the link I mentioned. > > Apple does not use a GPLv3 version of GCC. Ah, actually I think I now see the O