Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-11 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On Sat, Oct 04, 2003 at 11:49:01AM +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I knew that many did not want renamings to occur, being touted as expensive, so I still stand behind my last proposal (that has been trimmed here) which seems to me like a possible compromise: I'll just chime in belatedly

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-06 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Whoops. There is a line in there : Where capitalised, these terms are to be used as per the definitions found in RFC 2119 (Reference). So I think I was thinking (which is a lot of thinking) the same thing :. Will fix. Fix what? Looks like you already did it. I was

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-05 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
RoUS said, People often lost the precious e-mails due to the current Here SPAM There SPAM Everywhere SPAM, SPAM oh, you mean like all the 'apache newsletter' messages i've received on just about every single asf list i'm on? grin/ Iyaannn :-) Apparently they were not

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-05 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Stephen McConnell wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: iproject name is an effort undergoing incubation at the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), sponsored by the name of sponsoring entity. Incubation is required of all newly accepted projects until a further review indicates that the

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Sam Ruby wrote: Can I ask that you document the process of updating the site? Looks like it's already there, but not very obvious. I will add to the side-bar, but in the interim : http://incubator.apache.org/updating_docs.html I want to make sure that there is a set of requirements for what

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Sam Ruby
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:00:57 -0400 Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judging from the move we made with james, CVS was easy. ezmlm a bit more involved, but our users seemed to find us easily enough when the list address changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Sam Ruby wrote: Greg Stein wrote: ... Good point. My post was more aimed at the people who are shepherding the project (e.g. Sam) rather than the developers. IMO, Sam should know better, and should have fixed this long ago. Let me turn this around. You note a problem with a prior project. You

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: From my point of view, disclaimer page would be enough and the best alternative. +1 -- Stephen J. McConnell mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Sat, 04 Oct 2003 11:49:01 +0200 Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but this has not worked. I guess you had a karma for jakarta-site2 and you had left 1. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. at

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Stephen McConnell
Berin Lautenbach wrote: iproject name is an effort undergoing incubation at the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), sponsored by the name of sponsoring entity. Incubation is required of all newly accepted projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure, communications, and

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Sam Ruby
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:00:57 -0400 Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judging from the move we made with james, CVS was easy. ezmlm a bit more involved, but our users seemed to find us easily enough when the list address

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: People often lost the precious e-mails due to the current Here SPAM There SPAM Everywhere SPAM, SPAM oh, you mean like all the 'apache newsletter' messages i've received on just about every single asf list i'm on? grin/ In the business world, inbubation/incubator

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-04 Thread Berin Lautenbach
David Jencks wrote: As podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software Foundation, any software releases (including code held in publically available CVS) made by Podlings will not be endorsed by the ASF. Podlings in Incubation SHALL NOT perform any releases of

RE: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Cliff Schmidt
On Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:48 AM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Cliff Schmidt wrote: XMLBeans is an incubated subproject under the sponsorship of the Apache Software Foundation's (ASF) XML project. it all looks good, except for this. i think i would prefer something like

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 12:47:50PM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Cliff Schmidt wrote: XMLBeans is an incubated subproject under the sponsorship of the Apache Software Foundation's (ASF) XML project. it all looks good, except for this. i think i would prefer something like

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi
Greg Stein wrote: ... To what document do I need to add rule that says a project ABSOLUTELY MUST make clear that it is under incubation? If we kept all incubated projects under the incubator it would have been clear enough. We've already been through this process where incubated projects are

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 02:19:50PM +0200, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Greg Stein wrote: ... To what document do I need to add rule that says a project ABSOLUTELY MUST make clear that it is under incubation? If we kept all incubated projects under the incubator it would have been clear

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 11:59, Sam Ruby wrote: I'm under the weather, and a little irritable, but this is starting to get under my skin. I am trying to follow http://incubator.apache.org/process.html I have asked for this to be updated. I have asked for information on how I can update

RE: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Added myself to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] list. Yes, my +1 to Berin (if i may). Thanks, dims --- Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ted Leung wrote: On 10/3/2003 10:37 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote: [The members of the Incubator PMC are:] Aaron Bannert Nicola Ken Barozzi (Chair

RE: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sam Ruby wrote: I am trying to follow http://incubator.apache.org/process.html I have asked for this to be updated. I have asked for information on how I can update this. Berin Lautenbach is beginning to update the incubator documents. Apparently you need to use Forrest. Parenthetically, I

RE: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Greg Stein wrote: If we kept all incubated projects under the incubator it would have been clear enough. I'm alright with that, but I think we need infrastructure sign-off first. If they respond with, holy crap. moving cvs repositories and mailing lists are the biggest pains in the ass

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 19:00:57 -0400 Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judging from the move we made with james, CVS was easy. ezmlm a bit more involved, but our users seemed to find us easily enough when the list address changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moving the

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Sam Ruby
Berin Lautenbach wrote: Sam Ruby wrote: I'm under the weather, and a little irritable, but this is starting to get under my skin. I am trying to follow http://incubator.apache.org/process.html I have asked for this to be updated. I have asked for information on how I can update this. Sam, I

RE: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Judging from the move we made with james, CVS was easy. ezmlm a bit more involved, but our users seemed to find us easily enough when the list address changed from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Moving the web site

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
(CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) It seems that the same goes for the JaxMe, too. Anyway, please take a glance at http://ws.apache.org/ ... note section. Regards, -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 04:00:36 -0700 (Subject: Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects) Greg Stein [EMAIL

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:38:40PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: (CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) It seems that the same goes for the JaxMe, too. Anyway, please take a glance at http://ws.apache.org/ ... note section. That note section has zero bearing on the wsrp4j pages themselves. I hit

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
(CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 04:39:00 -0700 Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, please take a glance at http://ws.apache.org/ ... note section. snip/ But what pisses me off the most is that I raised this about wsrp4j a couple weeks ago, but it wasn't fixed. Aha,

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:10:58PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 04:39:00 -0700 Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, please take a glance at http://ws.apache.org/ ... note section. snip/ But what pisses me off the most is that I raised this about wsrp4j a

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
Confirmed. Really great job! (Otsukare sama desita) -- Tetsuya. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) P.S. I think you can change the URL of the link to Pluto (@ left-side navi on wsrp4j project website): http://jakarta.apache.org/pluto/ On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 05:43:28 -0700 (PDT) (Subject: Re: Disclaimer text

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Sam Ruby
Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 09:10:58PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2003 04:39:00 -0700 Greg Stein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyway, please take a glance at http://ws.apache.org/ ... note section. snip/ But what pisses me off the most is that I raised this about

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Sam Ruby
Greg Stein wrote: On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 08:38:40PM +0900, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: (CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) It seems that the same goes for the JaxMe, too. Anyway, please take a glance at http://ws.apache.org/ ... note section. That note section has zero bearing on the wsrp4j pages themselves.

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-03 Thread Berin Lautenbach
Sam Ruby wrote: I'm under the weather, and a little irritable, but this is starting to get under my skin. I am trying to follow http://incubator.apache.org/process.html I have asked for this to be updated. I have asked for information on how I can update this. Sam, I am 90% of the way through

Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-01 Thread Cliff Schmidt
After getting positive feedback from this list about the idea of allowing incubated projects to publish binary releases as long as they clearly identified them as being part of an incubated project, I've written the following paragraph to be used on the web site and inside the README file (in

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-01 Thread Rodent of Unusual Size
Cliff Schmidt wrote: XMLBeans is an incubated subproject under the sponsorship of the Apache Software Foundation's (ASF) XML project. it all looks good, except for this. i think i would prefer something like 'XMLBeans is an effort undergoing incubation at the Apache Software Foundation

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

2003-10-01 Thread Erik Abele
On 01/10/2003, at 06:47, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote: Cliff Schmidt wrote: XMLBeans is an incubated subproject under the sponsorship of the Apache Software Foundation's (ASF) XML project. it all looks good, except for this. i think i would prefer something like 'XMLBeans is an effort