Re: [google-appengine] About the mail api again, the surrounding services gae is proud of

nicely put, tim probably having more alternative ways to verify users is the way to go On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 3:23 AM, Tim Hoffman wrote: > HI Milosh > Unfortunately there is no guarunteed way to be sure someone has read the > mail sent. > In fact it would in some cases be considered an inva

Re: [google-appengine] About the mail api again, the surrounding services gae is proud of

HI Milosh Unfortunately there is no guarunteed way to be sure someone has read the mail sent. In fact it would in some cases be considered an invasion of privacy ;-) If's not fundamentally part of email. and read receipt implementations are very much mail server dependent. The most you can sa

[google-appengine] Re: Datastore viewer not showing one of the properties for my model

Yeah, I got it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/etsZAp2tVVYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googlegroups.co

Re: [google-appengine] About the mail api again, the surrounding services gae is proud of

makes sense but he needs read receipt more than anything else a bounced back message could indicate non-delivery but not 100% sure though tapir's main concern is did they read it or not On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:55 AM, Tim Hoffman wrote: > Hi > That will only tell you they read it, if they h

Re: [google-appengine] About the mail api again, the surrounding services gae is proud of

Hi That will only tell you they read it, if they have images enabled by default. I don't for instance in my email. If they don't read it with images enabled you can't tell if it was not delivered or just unread. I wouldn't expect exceptions to be raised from bogus email addresses unless they

[google-appengine] Re: Datastore viewer not showing one of the properties for my model

Hey Your right. Not good . Here is the link to the group https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!forum/google-appengine-python -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.goo

[google-appengine] Re: Datastore viewer not showing one of the properties for my model

Thanks. It doesn't show up in search results for groups, eve when I type in the exact name... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/wtEt

[google-appengine] Re: Datastore viewer not showing one of the properties for my model

Hi The group is google-appengine-python Rgds Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/bmtjKeHqQ9YJ. To post to this group, send emai

Re: [google-appengine] About the mail api again, the surrounding services gae is proud of

you can use a nifty old trick by placing an ''invisible'' image somewhere within a message so if a user reads a message, image file on your server gets accessed the simplest receipt verification technique though On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 2:16 AM, Tapir wrote: > I found there are not exceptions thr

[google-appengine] About the mail api again, the surrounding services gae is proud of

I found there are not exceptions thrown even the recipient email addresses don't exist at all. In my app, half new users didn't activate their accounts. I doubt they haven't received the activation mail. But how do I know if the new users have received the activation mail or not? Someone argued t

[google-appengine] Datastore viewer not showing one of the properties for my model

(apologies for not putting this in the python-specific forum - as far as I can tell, there isn't one, despite what the welcome message says) Hey guys, I have a model defined like so: class stickletUser(db.Model): author = db.UserProperty() email = db.EmailProperty() has_shared = db.

Re: [google-appengine] Instance Hours, Python Concurrency, and Regret

The old 2.5/2.7 GIL hurts performance any time there is more than one thread that is doing python work. Maybe you'd like to read up on how the old GIL burns cpu time in excess signalling and failed lock acquisition: http://www.dabeaz.com/python/NewGIL.pdf -- You received this message because y

Re: [google-appengine] Instance Hours, Python Concurrency, and Regret

On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 6:31 PM, Steve wrote: > > On my GET requests, I/O accounts for roughly half of the time to process the > request.  When a user POSTs new data, my app does a fair amount of > recalculations and I/O is only about 20% of the request processing time.  So > 50% of my GETs and 80

Re: [google-appengine] Re: The Unofficial Google App Engine Price Change FAQ

This is the official word: *You are only charged the 15 minute idle time for the number if idle instances up to your max idle instances.* So, if you have 200 instances spin up for 10 minutes and then all traffic stops and your max idle instances is set to 5. You would be charged for (200 * 10/60

Re: [google-appengine] Instance Hours, Python Concurrency, and Regret

On Sunday, September 11, 2011 3:27:43 PM UTC-7, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: > > The GIL (old or new) is not a problem for concurrency unless your > application spends large quantities of time CPU-bound. As soon as you > make an I/O request, some other thread will run. The GIL doesn't > hurt. > > Jeff >

[google-appengine] Re: 1.5.4 SDK Prerelease

Are there any Doc/Examples of using async Memcache calls ? Sounds interesting > - Added API functionality for making calls to the Memcache API asynchronously. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To post to this group, send e

Re: [google-appengine] Instance Hours, Python Concurrency, and Regret

The GIL (old or new) is not a problem for concurrency unless your application spends large quantities of time CPU-bound. As soon as you make an I/O request, some other thread will run. The GIL doesn't hurt. Jeff On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Steve wrote: > I (and many others I think) have b

Re: [google-appengine] Re: How deployments influence instance hours?

Bump #2 On 7 September 2011 13:53, Sergey Schetinin wrote: > Bump > On Sunday, 4 September 2011 14:20:31 UTC+3, Sergey Schetinin wrote: >> >> So when we deploy a new version, let's assume there was one instance >> running, it gets shut down, a new one is then started, how many >> instance-hours a

RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google Bot Is Your Enemy

Without the Domain name, I don't. But a trick you can use to get deeper indexing on your pages is to change the server headers, IP address, and Expiration every week or so. But Google bot responds to Change with "lets crawl everything" when it finds less change, it reduces the crawl. Fro

Re: [google-appengine] Is it possible to have multiple primary domains (not subdomains) running against a single app?

It worked. Thanks, man. Much easier than I expected :) On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Brandon Wirtz wrote: > Google.com/a/YourDomain.com Deploy the App, and assign it to a subdomain > (like www) > > ** ** > > ** ** > > *From:* google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto: > google-appengine@

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google Bot Is Your Enemy

Ok, I agree that must have had an impact but how do you explain one month down to "almost" zero when my headers were sent by gae ? On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Brandon Wirtz wrote: > Your crawl rate changed because the Headers for serving changed from GAE to > CF In a Week they will be back

RE: [google-appengine] Is it possible to have multiple primary domains (not subdomains) running against a single app?

Google.com/a/YourDomain.com Deploy the App, and assign it to a subdomain (like www) From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jens Stoltenberg Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:02 PM To: google-appengine@googlegroups.com Subject: [google

[google-appengine] Is it possible to have multiple primary domains (not subdomains) running against a single app?

I have a single app with multiple namespaces defined. I'd like to set up multiple domains a.com b.com c.com and have the app detect the domain and write the domain's data into its respective namespace. However, on the production admin panel, it only seems to allow you to configure a single doma

RE: [google-appengine] New pricing scheme and concerns about abuse

I serve "Denied" if IP matches X. You don't need Google For this. I do the same thing if User Agent = X This is a risk with any solution, from DreamHost to Amazon to RackSpace. I can ruin your day regardless of platform. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengin

[google-appengine] Re: Remote API: how to find out the app ID of the server??

Hi Fred, This week we planned to look at something very similar, so maybe we can share notes. I notice that if you enable datastore admin, there seems to be an option to export datastore to another appid. To be seen how it handles keys, namespaces, etc. That won't cover export to local th

Re: [google-appengine] New pricing scheme and concerns about abuse

Under Billing Settings. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/YKAkWttT-DYJ. To post to this group, send email to google-appengine@googleg

Re: [google-appengine] New pricing scheme and concerns about abuse

"I believe you will be able to cap your daily total instance hours." -- please tell me how to do this... currently there is only a setting to control max *idle* instances. During dos they will *not* be idle... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google

RE: [google-appengine] Re: Google Bot Is Your Enemy

Your crawl rate changed because the Headers for serving changed from GAE to CF In a Week they will be back to normal. From: google-appengine@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-appengine@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Roch Delsalle Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 5:02 AM To: google-appengine@go

Re: [google-appengine] New pricing scheme and concerns about abuse

I believe you will be able to cap your daily total instance hours. If you use that and get DOSed, your app will continue to be responsive through the attack, but you may end up losing service when you reach your quota near the end of the billing day. If you cap Active Instance (that's the orang

[google-appengine] Re: Adding 5GB of Blobstore data to App Engine over 3 three days costs $61 by end of year?

No it is not correct. Blobstore is not counted as datastore data. Have a quick look at your billing history page for confirmation. On Sep 11, 8:35 pm, Chris Collins wrote: > Jens, > > Your original calculation is correct - $61/year for 15 GB of blobstore data. > > The reason is, as you pointed ou

[google-appengine] Re: Please add MIN idle instances and MAX total instances

After thinking about this for a while I think I would prefer to just have a min and max instances slider. I am running different apps on app engine and for the larger ones I'd like to have a min instances = 10 and max instances = unlimited to be able to scale up fast once heavy traffic occurs. F

Re: [google-appengine] New pricing scheme and concerns about abuse

I dont think you understand... The above specifically mentions - among other things - that 1) there are no programatic apis to the blacklist 2) the mechanisms to limit costs for a small app under a attack are much worse under the new billing system than under the old one... hence: - writing

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Python library for uploading to AppEngine

I've done something close in the past where I have a GAE app that pulls Python script from another location and executes it. Not sure if that helps you, but here it is. Make sure the script is safe, though, because it'll be running against your own datastore. try: path

Re: [google-appengine] New pricing scheme and concerns about abuse

You're describing what's known as a denial of service attack. These attacks could happen to any Website on any platform. On GAE you're more protected, out of the box, than most other hosting solutions. 1. GAE automatically blocks IPs that it senses strange activity from. I've encountered this on t

[google-appengine] Re: Please add MIN idle instances and MAX total instances

On Sep 10, 4:51 pm, Barry Hunter wrote: > On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:38 PM, WeatherPhilip > > > It is 28 hours :) > > http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/09/few-adjustments-to-app-en... > > Not reflected in the 'billing estimate's yet. > > Get 9 hours of backends free too. A number of cronjo

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Adding 5GB of Blobstore data to App Engine over 3 three days costs $61 by end of year?

Jens, Your original calculation is correct - $61/year for 15 GB of blobstore data. The reason is, as you pointed out, that the data is counted both as blobstore data and "stored data/datastore data". HTH, Chris On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:37 PM, Niklas Rosencrantz wrote: > In fact the new pricin

[google-appengine] Re: Min idle instances setting not working at all?

Oops looks like the image was stripped, you can see it here: http://oi52.tinypic.com/12349hi.jpg On Sep 11, 9:53 am, Pol-Online wrote: > Hi, > > Because we are about to launch our app very soon, I increased the number of > idle instances from 1 to 5 yesterday and things looked correct in the >

[google-appengine] Min idle instances setting not working at all?

Hi, Because we are about to launch our app very soon, I increased the number of idle instances from 1 to 5 yesterday and things looked correct in the Dashboard. Then this morning, in the Dashboard I see 2 idle instances and this: The spikes correspond to cron tasks running hourly I assume. A

[google-appengine] Re: Scheduler Question

Great to know, sorry I missed those threads. Thanks, On Sep 11, 10:07 am, Rishi Arora wrote: > To add to what Josh said, the billing rule states that front-end instances > won't incur any idle charges after idling for 15 minutes, even if they stay > running. > > On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM,

Re: [google-appengine] Scheduler Question

To add to what Josh said, the billing rule states that front-end instances won't incur any idle charges after idling for 15 minutes, even if they stay running. On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:31 AM, Joshua Smith wrote: > It's been pretty conclusively determined on these groups that those extra > instan

[google-appengine] Re: Disappearing posts

I was referring to the earlier messages, which confirmed that my messages had been there at one point. Thanks for clarifying though. On Sep 11, 12:56 pm, Gary Frederick wrote: > On Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:22:05 PM UTC-5, Rob Smith wrote: > > > Thanks for confirming that I wasn't just imagi

Re: [google-appengine] Scheduler Question

It's been pretty conclusively determined on these groups that those extra instances don't cost you anything, as long as you keep the idle instances slider over to the left in App Settings. It has also been stated by our google overlords that these freebie instances are more prevalent in the HRD

[google-appengine] Scheduler Question

I have a question about the new scheduler. Before HRD the scheduler use to tear down instances very aggressively. Now it doesn't appear to. I have some hobby apps that may get no traffic at all for hours, however, the scheduler keeps 1 instance alive. It seems to me after 15 minutes of no activ

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Python library for uploading to AppEngine

Hi Sorry no specific links. Have a read of appcfg.py in google/appengine/tools/appcfg.py , specifically the class AppVersionUpload. It uses remote_api rpc calls under the hood All of the appcfg functions that talk to a remote server do. If you wanted to build your own wrapper I would be usin

[google-appengine] Re: Google Bot Is Your Enemy

Here is what I noticied : http://www.d-ro.ch/2011/09/appengine-cloudflare-crawlrate Anyway you shouldn't block Googlebot that would de-index you form google. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the we

[google-appengine] Re: New pricing scheme and concerns about abuse

Please star thisissue. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-appengine/-/aUrt2tWUgD8

[google-appengine] Re: Disappearing posts

On Saturday, September 10, 2011 6:22:05 PM UTC-5, Rob Smith wrote: > > Thanks for confirming that I wasn't just imagining it! I should have clarified someone in a different forum... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. To

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Why I think it's the time to leave GAE.

@ Gerald, You may end up loading a 32mb file from the blobstore. Just use multiple page entities for a single article entity. @ Keakon, Those reasons don't apply, seems you misunderstood the pattern, feel free to ask for more details. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to

Re: [google-appengine] Re: The Unofficial Google App Engine Price Change FAQ

On Saturday, 10 September 2011 19:30:13 UTC+1, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: > > Is this really true, that if you burst to 100 instances you won't get > the 15-minute charges? Even if you have it set to "automatic"? I'd > like to hear an official voice on this matter. See Jon McAlister's detailed expl

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Please add MIN idle instances and MAX total instances

A max-instances setting would, as you say, let you spread your "capacity exceeded" failures to some proportion of requests made during the busiest periods rather than to all requests at some time period at the end of the day/week/month, but it would also risk failing to serve some requests which

[google-appengine] New pricing scheme and concerns about abuse

Say someone does not like a person behind one of the small/medium sized apps on app store (lets say 2-3 instances continously each day). For the sake of argument, say that it is me, but it could just as easily apply to any of you guys out there. What will stop a person of ill intend to make hi

Re: [google-appengine] Re: The Amazing Story Of Appengine And The Two Orders Of Magnitude

On 11 September 2011 18:17, Gerald Tan wrote: > I'm ok with that. cool > > Your next concern would be the Datastore Reads. I think you should be able > to bring that down a lot by using memcache and/or combining your monitors > into a few entities. I'm not familiar with python, but I believe you

[google-appengine] Re: Suggestion: Please implement price threshold on GAE apps

> But as always, it is easier say than done. Don't know if this idea can be > implemented. Considering that is how the previous budget concept works (except on a daily basis), I doubt additional rocket science would be required. There may however be plenty of "business reasons" not to stop people

Re: [google-appengine] Re: The Amazing Story Of Appengine And The Two Orders Of Magnitude

I'm ok with that. Your next concern would be the Datastore Reads. I think you should be able to bring that down a lot by using memcache and/or combining your monitors into a few entities. I'm not familiar with python, but I believe you can use pickle to serialize an array of monitors into a blo

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Python library for uploading to AppEngine

My google-fu is failing. Do you have any specific links to more info on uploading code using remote_api? On 11 September 2011 16:58, Tim Hoffman wrote: > HI > As robert says it  is just python. Also its using the remote_api. > So all definately do-able.  I run remote_api stuff inside zope to > tr

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Python library for uploading to AppEngine

On 11 September 2011 16:17, Robert Kluin wrote: > It is just a Python script.  Open it up and have a look at what it does. > It's not just a python script, it's a fair sized system. I had a quick look a while back and thought, hmm, this will take work. So before I get into it again, I thought I'

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Python library for uploading to AppEngine

HI As robert says it is just python. Also its using the remote_api. So all definately do-able. I run remote_api stuff inside zope to transparently access the datastore from within zope. Rgds Tim -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engin

Re: [google-appengine] Re: Google App engine NO LONGER FOR SMALL DEVELOPERS

Thanks Guys for your suggestions. If I switch to any GAE pricing model, it will not suit me. However, I have some shared hosting providers which are very cheap. I can switch some sites of mine which are on GAE. Clients here don't know about HRD, Cloud, distributed db. Any mysql db + small disk and