Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "~" ?

2005-02-16 Thread Greg Woodhouse
the consequences of putting a value in > this field > for a patient that is not an inpatient. > > - Original Message - > From: "Jim Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:07 PM > Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-16 Thread Marianne Susaanti Follingstad
ps you have misunderstood the situation." - - D.K.Moran -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of steven mcphelan Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 7:53 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "~" ?

2005-02-16 Thread Holloway, Thomas (EDS)
f these fields were originally designed for inpatients. I do not know the consequences of putting a value in this field for a patient that is not an inpatient. - Original Message ----- From: "Jim Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: RE

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "~" ?

2005-02-16 Thread Greg Kreis
Kevin, you have gained good insights into VistA through your dogged exploration of it. Other systems built on a relational database likely have business rules that are not in the database itself, so the business logic is important for maintaining the tables properly. Just going in with a diffe

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "~" ?

2005-02-16 Thread steven mcphelan
his field for a patient that is not an inpatient. - Original Message - From: "Jim Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:07 PM Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "~" ? > I would appreciate more detailed

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "~" ?

2005-02-15 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Since this seems to be a new issue for Kevin and he has been crawling around in VistA for a while now, is this sort of field not rare as hen's teeth? I would think that some internal policy in the VA might be responsible for locking up this field. For instance, perhaps they did not want patient

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "~" ?

2005-02-15 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
It seems to me that VistA is not just a database, with secondarily important routines to adjust that data. Instead, it seems that it is both. Thus this "locked" database field is not supposed to be altered except through the proper channels (the program code.) So it may well be problematic tryin

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "~" ?

2005-02-15 Thread Jim Self
I would appreciate more detailed discussion on this point if possible. It would seem from what you write that such fields cannot be properly edited from the Fileman DBS API. If so, that would seem to present a severe impediment to any attempts to put a more modern general database driven user in

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-15 Thread steven mcphelan
cross references in the > > DD > > >covered every business rule associated with a field but that is not > > the > > >case. Some of the rules are so complex and so dependant on the data > > >entry situation that whole sets of routines are required to carry >

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Nancy, I think I opened a can of worms on this one. I was assuming that an out patient could also have an attending physician. But apparently not. I think this issue is going to be more hassle than I won't to mess with right now. Thanks for everyone's help! Kevin --- Nancy Anthracite <[EMAIL

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Greg Woodhouse
ect: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" > ? > > > >Stephen; > > > >Then that sounds like the loading of this field is programatic (data > >loaded > >at the time of the action being recorded) and doesn't use Fileman to >

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Holloway, Thomas (EDS)
ge- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Woodhouse Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 10:58 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ? Does this trick offer any advantages over using t

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Greg Woodhouse
rule associated with a field but that is not > > the > > case. Some of the rules are so complex and so dependant on the > data > > entry situation that whole sets of routines are required to carry > out > > the appropriate data updates and linkages. > > > >tjh

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Greg Woodhouse
-Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Chris > Richardson > Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:34 AM > To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^&quo

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Holloway, Thomas (EDS)
y 14, 2005 10:22 AMTo: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.netSubject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ? That should have been 'it is a way', not 'it was a want'.  If only I could keep my typing buffer in sync with my thinking buffer  ;-)Greg Kreis wro

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Greg Kreis
re required to carry out the appropriate data updates and linkages. tjh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Richardson Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:34 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members]

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Greg Kreis
Monday, February 14, 2005 2:34 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ? Stephen; Then that sounds like the loading of this field is programatic (data loaded at the time of the action being recorded) and doesn

RE: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-14 Thread Holloway, Thomas (EDS)
ruary 14, 2005 2:34 AM To: hardhats-members@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ? Stephen; Then that sounds like the loading of this field is programatic (data loaded at the time of the action being recorded) and doesn't use File

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread Chris Richardson
of it. - Original Message - From: "steven mcphelan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ? > If a field is write protected with the "^" then no DUZ(

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread steven mcphelan
If a field is write protected with the "^" then no DUZ(0) will allow you to edit that field using Fileman enter/edit. - Original Message - From: "Nancy Anthracite" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Hardhats-memb

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Maybe it is because you don't have a patient who has been admitted! Note that it says inpatient below. On Sunday 13 February 2005 09:18 pm, Nancy Anthracite wrote: > I noted that only active providers are allowed, so do your docs have the > PROVIDER key and the only thing I could see that might

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread Nancy Anthracite
I noted that only active providers are allowed, so do your docs have the PROVIDER key and the only thing I could see that might have to do with that and show activity was the PERSON CLASS, in file 200, which has an expiration date which I believe you can leave blank. Do your docs have a person

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
I also thought @ was a master access setting. But here is a screen log of what I am seeing. GTM>zwr DUZ DUZ=90 DUZ(0)="@" DUZ(1)="" DUZ(2)=69 DUZ("AG")="O" DUZ("AUTO")=1 DUZ("BUF")=1 DUZ("LANG")=1 GTM>d ^XUP Setting up programmer environment Terminal Type set to: C-VT102 Select OPTION NAME: d

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread Marianne Susaanti Follingstad
Actually, the @ is a superaccess that should be sufficient for any situation, no matter what the file DD, read, write, delete access code is.  In other words, you should not have any difficulty doing anything in any file.  Are you having difficulty or are you just anticipating having difficult, i

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread Nancy Anthracite
Take a look at the FILE MANAGE ACCESS CODE field in file 200. Maybe you can put a ^ there with D P^DI and then see what happens. On Sunday 13 February 2005 05:14 pm, Kevin Toppenberg wrote: > Hello all, > > I want to edit fields .104 (PROVIDER) and .1041 > (ATTENDING PHYSICIAN) in file 2 (PATIEN

Re: [Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread Greg Woodhouse
As you might guess, that's a trick that is sometimes employed to discourage unauthorized "fiddling" with sensitive files. Off the top of my head, I'm not sure if Fileman will complain if you set DUZ(0) programmatically to "^" before attempting an update, but I believe this will work. --- Kevin Top

[Hardhats-members] How to obtain a write access of "^" ?

2005-02-13 Thread Kevin Toppenberg
Hello all, I want to edit fields .104 (PROVIDER) and .1041 (ATTENDING PHYSICIAN) in file 2 (PATIENT file). I have a fileman code of "@" In the data dictionary, these two fields have a code of ^ required. I assume this means that my DUZ(0) must contain a ^. This is normally loaded (I believe) f