Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

I disagree. I read the ACM code in its entirety, and although very difficult to follow in the current rarefied mega-Corporate environment, it is what it should be for professionals that should be serving society first instead of profiting from it regardless of consequences. I also commend the

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

In my security course, I have students look at and contrast the ACM and IEEE codes of ethics. To be honest the ACM code is long winded, hard to follow, and (in my opinion) almost impossible to follow. It does not surprise me that it did not influence the people. What would surprise me is if they

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

I wonder if the study had been conducted in the following radically different way instead whether it had resulted in a different outcome. Studying the effect of a class that implicitly (if not explicitly) inculcates self-interest is, if Nobel Prize-winning economist Oliver Williamson to be believed

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Re: seeking empirical evidence about ethics instruction A recent publication at FSE attempted to evaluate the impact of the new ACM code of ethics on decision-making and found no evidence of an effect according to their methodology. You can read the paper here: https://people.engr.ncsu.edu/e

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum? - curricula collection

Dear colleagues, my good colleagues at SPT have pointed me to the following resource: Over 200 courses in there, and from across a range of disciplines, certainly including computer science - ca. 25% - but

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

And thanks on both fronts! My acknowledging that it was a critical, spot-on point was not gratuitous or merely courteous: behind it is a larger point - one that we don't always point out to our undergraduate students. But Aristotle warned at the outset of his Nichomachean Ethics that no one u

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Charles, I would like to claim partial credit for spurring your excellent response. ;) Paul -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable from any major commercial search engine. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/libe

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

> Involving ethics in these domains - e.g., research ethics in the social > sciences, ethics for design in ICT, and/or the ethical dimensions of > specific "Big Data" projects involving computer scientists and > engineers, police and first responders, national emergency authorities, > etc. Both

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

On 2/3/19 1:26 AM, Paul wrote: > Is there any evidence, or even anecdotes, suggesting that ethics courses > (in any form) work to make people act more ethically?  Main issue that I would see is how you measure ethics. Psychology studies seem to lack reproducibility. >      I can see that someone

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Thank you, Charles. This is a great post. Charles, your post reminded me of the fascinating research of Stanford's Dale Miller who has shown that students, on average, become LESS ethical after taking an economics course. I believe Miller was also the one who conducted studies that showed that wh

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Paul's comments are spot on: thanks for raising a central and critical issue. It would be great to have the sort of empirical evidence suggested - and below I will allude to some anecdotal evidence. But part of the response is, it's complicated, beginning with attempting to devise a study that

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Good point. It'd be great if someone had the answer to that question. The only study vaguely related that I can remember is that psychology experiment where priests who were going to give a sermon were less likely to be good samaritans with a confederate in need when they were told they were late

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Is there any evidence, or even anecdotes, suggesting that ethics courses (in any form) work to make people act more ethically? I can see that someone who was already ethical might find something they had missed, but it's hard for me (admittedly a cynical person) to imagine that an ethics cours

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

thanks in turn - let me see if I can collect a few from the colleagues most engaged; will happily report back with any successes. best, - c. On 03/02/2019 06:32, Yosem Companys wrote: BTW, Charles, do you have any of the syllabi for the courses you mentioned? If so, could you share them with th

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

BTW, Charles, do you have any of the syllabi for the courses you mentioned? If so, could you share them with the list? Thanks, Yosem On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 9:10 PM Charles M. Ess wrote: > A fascinating - if deeply depressing - thread: many thanks to all. > > Let me add: the relatively sudden i

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Very interesting, Charles. Thanks for sharing. Below, I have a few related points and questions in no particular order: 1. There has been a trend for a while to include (more) ethics courses in curriculums at business schools. Does anyone know how business schools have done so? Are there

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

A fascinating - if deeply depressing - thread: many thanks to all. Let me add: the relatively sudden interest among Harvard, Stanford et al in attempting to introduce some element of ethics into CS (and related) instruction is also quite striking to many of us who have been doing this for 30

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

My comments inline below in blue... On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:49 AM Richard Brooks wrote: > Reminds me of a proposal I wrote for an ethics course to NSF. > My proposed course looked at the economics of the industry, as > pointed out by Ross Anderson, that the market rewards bad > and insecure so

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

> But I wonder what the pedagogical research literature says about the > best way to teach ethics? I'm data-driven, so I'd rather see empirical > evidence guide educational policy or someone conduct a study to assess > the best course of action. I doubt that you could come up with an empirical mea

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

This is an ongoing debate. The observation about how students treat a single required ethics course is valid, and therefore it requires a lot of work to make it more engaging (as Stanford is trying to do now). The problem with trying to integrate it into courses in general is that either it is ta

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Interesting. In a related vein, from my experience, I'll note the following: - When underrepresented minorities started getting minimal representation at research-one universities, these universities started creating programs specifically focused on helping underrepresented minorities

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Good point, Terry. I didn't think of that. On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 9:48 AM Terry Winograd (via cpsr-activists list) wrote: > This is an ongoing debate. The observation about how students treat a > single required ethics course is valid, and therefore it requires a lot of > work to make it more e

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

I probably shouldn't have dragged Dick's name into this but here's my take on what he was saying. IF the ethics / social responsibility material presented in college is relegated to a single, required course (and is not integrated with more technical material throughout) then it likely to be dispa

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

ABET accreditation requirements include ethics and some type of contemporary issues awareness. This has to be addressed in the curriculum in at least one course. This can be, does not have to be, a separate course. It can be more effective as part of another course. To be accredited, the departme

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

On Thu 31 Jan 2019 21:28:53 GMT, Doug Schuler wrote: > I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that > adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to > take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli apparently was using > this in the engineerin

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Well, I was certainly surprised and encouraged when a while back I received this booklet in the mail: The “ACM Code of Ethics and Professional Conduct!” Regards / Saludos / Grato Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes > On Jan 31, 2019, at 11:34 PM, Yosem Companys wrote: > > Why did he think it w

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Good info! I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to take was essentially a bad idea. Louis Bucciarelli apparently was using this in the engineering department at MIT. I wonder if this approach i

Re: [liberationtech] [cpsr-activists] CPSR Curriculum?

Why did he think it was a bad idea? On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 9:29 PM Doug Schuler < doug...@publicsphereproject.org> wrote: > Good info! > > I had been talking to Dick Sclove about this recently and he said that > adding ethics or social responsibility as a class that graduates had to > take was e