> for those of us who are curious and extremely well
> off, over on mike's oud site there's this mention of
> an interesting, very old (1733), six-string lute for
> auction on ebay (us) with a swan's neck peg box:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-6-chord-Lute-by-Johann-Christian-Hoffmann-1733_W0QQite
I would tend to think it is a fake.
In the late 19th century they often used more or less original labels to
increase the value of their fake instruments.
The instrument itself very much looks like a wandervogel instrument and as far
as I can judge watching the pictures i don't see any parts whi
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> I would tend to think it is a fake.
> In the late 19th century they often used more or less original
> labels to increase the value of t
I'm with Thomas. The very open rose and the moustach-looking bridge remind me
of the wandervogels we see on ebay regularly. How about the frets? They
certainly aren't tied. Are they fret slots cut with a very fine saw and
intended for modern metal frets?
On the one hand, the guy has
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> I'm with Thomas. The very open rose and the moustach-looking bridge
remind me of the wandervogels we see on ebay regularly. How about the
frets? They certainly aren't tied. Are
All,
I have brightened, enhanced and enlarged the pictures and made them
available at http://RobDorsey.com/Lutes/Hoffmann.htm . My comments are at
the bottom of that page. If interested, take a look and draw your own
conclusions.
Best,
Rob Dorsey, Luthier
Florence, KY
To get on or off this
At 12:01 PM 4/7/2006, Rob Dorsey wrote:
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>All,
>
>I have brightened, enhanced and enlarged the pictures and made them
>available at http://RobDorsey.com/Lutes/Hoffmann.htm . My comments are at
>the bottom of that page. If interested, take a look and draw your own
>conclusions.
The scrap of paper
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> All,
>
> I have b
>> The very open rose and the moustach-looking bridge remind me of the
>> wandervogels we see on ebay regularly.
>
> Wandervogels do not have double courses. Double strung replicae only
> started to appear from Markneukirchen in the 1960ies. But this
> instrument appears to be a little older than
On Apr 8, 2006, at 1:25 AM, Caroline Usher wrote:
> At 12:01 PM 4/7/2006, Rob Dorsey wrote:
> It is interesting, however, that a piece of paper glued above the
> label (a rib seam tape?) is what appears to be early tablature.
> The scrap of paper above the label looks like black notation to me,
Yes, "curiouser and curiouser" as Alice said.
Rob Dorsey, Luthier
Florence, KY USA
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> It is possible that the bowel is an original 1733 bowel
>> It is possible that the bowel is an original 1733 bowel from an original
>> 1733 instrument.
...
>> a lot of Bach's manuscripts were used to wrap fish in, or so the story
> goes.
This story makes my bowel move
>> This is not a Lute as it is now configured. Neither is a Hurdy Gurdy,
> which
>>
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> Thanks Rob for the non-sarcastic response. I agree with
instrument. I smell
Markneukirchen, whose museum owns a Hoffman viola da gamba.
ajn
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