Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread G Mann
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore? 123 fenders used to be cheap as wine. Check with the Q. Dan On May 31, 2012, at 4:06 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We are thinking

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
Try POR. Randy On 31/05/2012 6:34 PM, Allan Streib wrote: If I had the time and motivation, I'd try removing the fenders, using the electrolytic method to get rid of the rust, then repair or fill as needed. Wire brushing and topical rust removers do not approach what I've seen the

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread Curt Raymond
...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore? Message-ID: cantulygsdmxs_m9z_adzunxh65r1-hyf0d675hwvazyu9ys...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 At $308. each, that only accounts for 3 shop hours

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread RDeafBoy
Miracle Paint . When I could not temporarily drive due to my stroke,I repaired 5 rust holes following Bergsma's Rust repair manual. 3 years later it still looks new. Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! Buy the Miracle

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread Rick Knoble
On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:32 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote: Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! I'll pass on the stroke, thanks. Rick Who sometimes IS a stroke... Sent from my iPhone ___

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-06-01 Thread Randy Bennell
On 01/06/2012 1:56 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: On Jun 1, 2012, at 12:32 PM, rdeaf...@aol.com wrote: Even my bodyshop friend said that I saved over 2 grand on the work I did .Strokes does many wonders !! I'll pass on the stroke, thanks. Rick Who sometimes IS a stroke... Sent from my iPhone

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Randy Bennell
No, no, no --- This is where you get to justify buying the mig welder, the air compressor etc. DIY! Randy On 31/05/2012 3:06 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: We are thinking of repainting her 1985 300CD. It has some rust in both front fenders, esp. the passenger side. Would it be less costly

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread clay monroe
How bad is the rust? Big rust would require lots of shop time to fix, and sourcing fresh fender might be less costly. PnP fender should be very inexpensive. Still lots of shop time to prep for paint and mounting. Probably same a for a new made fender. Maaco paint job with fix would be

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff
123 fenders used to be cheap as wine. Check with the Q. Dan On May 31, 2012, at 4:06 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We are thinking of repainting her 1985 300CD. It has some rust in both front fenders, esp. the passenger side. Would it be less costly to 1) buy and

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Rusty Cullens
They are $308.00 but shipping is a bear. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore? 123

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread andrew strasfogel
4:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore? 123 fenders used to be cheap as wine. Check with the Q. Dan On May 31, 2012, at 4:06 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: We are thinking of repainting her 1985 300CD. It has some

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Randy Bennell
Are these glued on? I seem to recall some reference to difficulties changing MB fenders because they are bolted and glued on. Randy On 31/05/2012 3:17 PM, clay monroe wrote: How bad is the rust? Big rust would require lots of shop time to fix, and sourcing fresh fender might be less costly.

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff
but shipping is a bear. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dan Penoff Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 4:50 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore? 123 fenders used

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dan Penoff
They use some nasty seam sealer on the top edge. You have to use a heat gun or a torch to soften it up. Dan On May 31, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Are these glued on? I seem to recall some reference to difficulties changing MB fenders because they are bolted

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
If rust can be repaired properly without removing fender then I'd opt for that. Fender removal means removal of that undercoating stuff which is a job in itself. That might also predispose to future rust if not prepped and re- undercoated properly. Sent from my iPhone On May 31, 2012, at 4:17

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Craig
On Thu, 31 May 2012 17:33:20 -0400 Dan Penoff lwb...@yahoo.com wrote: They use some nasty seam sealer on the top edge. You have to use a heat gun or a torch to soften it up. They stopped using that somewhere around 1982 on W123s. Our '82 240D/3.0 was built without the seam sealer and the

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Craig
On Thu, 31 May 2012 14:37:02 -0700 (PDT) Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: If rust can be repaired properly without removing fender then I'd opt for that. Fender removal means removal of that undercoating stuff which is a job in itself. MB stopped using the seam sealer somewhere

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dieselhead
How bad is the rust? Big rust would require lots of shop time to fix, and sourcing fresh fender might be less costly. Second the new fender. I have not priced a fender for a 123 lately, but give Q a chance. Last I knew 124 fenders and 126 fenders were just a little over $100 each. 123

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Scott Ritchey
Fronts are relatively easy to replace, except maybe for the ones glued on. Never did rears and I expect you'll need to fix them unless there's little left to fix. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread G. M. Brown
Since I intend for my '84 300D to be my last car and last me the rest of my days, I replaced the RF LR fenders in '09 after finding rust that I was convinced would spread. I've had rust repaired in the past by reputable establishments only for rust to reappear a couple years later. Even if

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Allan Streib
If I had the time and motivation, I'd try removing the fenders, using the electrolytic method to get rid of the rust, then repair or fill as needed. Wire brushing and topical rust removers do not approach what I've seen the electrolytic conversion do. Instructions are somewhere on Jim Cathey's

Re: [MBZ] 123 fenders - replace or restore?

2012-05-31 Thread Dimitri Seretakis
It those establishments were autobody shops then being reputable will not change anything. Body shops have no idea how to correctly repair rust. It needs to be taken to a high end restoration shop. Any other alternative besides doing it yourself in a skilled manner will surely lead to