Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-19 Thread Alan Burlison
Alan Coopersmith wrote: >> Nobody here has yet explained how Sun managed to legitimately >> open-source code without getting permission from Novell. > > And no one here is likely to divulge the contents of confidential > contracts signed between Sun and other companies either. Sun's > lawyers a

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-18 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> Where's the FUD? No one is claiming that Sun doesn't > have rights based on earlier agreements with Novell > and AT&T. The issue, which everyone seems to be > avoiding here, is that, according to McNealy (see > quote above), Sun went back to SCO to modify the > earlier agreements. The judge has a

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-18 Thread Al
Where's the FUD? No one is claiming that Sun doesn't have rights based on earlier agreements with Novell and AT&T. The issue, which everyone seems to be avoiding here, is that, according to McNealy (see quote above), Sun went back to SCO to modify the earlier agreements. The judge has already de

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I guess we'll all have to wait and see what happens. > > In the latest court filing Novell states: > > "At trial, Novell will seek a declaration that SCO was also obligated to seek > Novell's approval prior to entering into new SVRX licenses or amendments to

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-18 Thread Al
Well, I guess we'll all have to wait and see what happens. In the latest court filing Novell states: "At trial, Novell will seek a declaration that SCO was also obligated to seek Novell's approval prior to entering into new SVRX licenses or amendments to SVRX licenses that that SCO therefore ha

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-18 Thread Joerg Schilling
Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [b]McNeely: "We had to pay SCO more money so we could open the code". [/b] > > Nobody here has yet explained how Sun managed to legitimately open-source > code without getting permission from Novell. The fact that SCO agreed to this > and Sun paid them money to do

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread Paul Gress
Al wrote: > [b]McNeely: "We had to pay SCO more money so we could open the code". [/b] > > Nobody here has yet explained how Sun managed to legitimately open-source > code without getting permission from Novell. The fact that SCO agreed to this > and Sun paid them money to do so seems to be irrel

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread Mario Goebbels
> Nobody here has yet explained how Sun managed to legitimately open-source > code without getting permission from Novell. The fact that SCO agreed to this > and Sun paid them money to do so seems to be irrelevant in light of the > recent court decision. What does Novell have to do with Sun's

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Al wrote: > Nobody here has yet explained how Sun managed to legitimately open-source > code without getting permission from Novell. And no one here is likely to divulge the contents of confidential contracts signed between Sun and other companies either. Sun's lawyers and execs know the detail

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 14:26 -0700, Al wrote: > [b]McNeely: "We had to pay SCO more money so we could open the code". > [/b] > > Nobody here has yet explained how Sun managed to legitimately > open-source code without getting permission from Novell. The fact that > SCO agreed to this and Sun paid t

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread Al
[b]McNeely: "We had to pay SCO more money so we could open the code". [/b] Nobody here has yet explained how Sun managed to legitimately open-source code without getting permission from Novell. The fact that SCO agreed to this and Sun paid them money to do so seems to be irrelevant in light of t

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 10:25 -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > > What makes you think Novell's legal team have as > > little subtlety and smarts as SCO's? There are other > > options. > > > > The SCO suit caused a havoc, b/c the authorship (& thus the copyright > ownership) is a big mess in Linux. L

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> Side note, $14million seems an awful lot for just > some drivers. > > Matthew > At that time it was well accepted that the (then) big bad Sun Micro used the licensing fee as a pretense to underwrite part of SCO's legal expenses against Linux. Microsoft paid much more (I believe it was $50 m

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 10:14 -0700, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: > > Side note, $14million seems an awful lot for just > > some drivers. > > > > Matthew > > > > At that time it was well accepted that the (then) big bad Sun Micro > used the licensing fee as a pretense to underwrite part of SCO's legal >

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> What makes you think Novell's legal team have as > little subtlety and smarts as SCO's? There are other > options. > The SCO suit caused a havoc, b/c the authorship (& thus the copyright ownership) is a big mess in Linux. Linus never bothered to keep track of who owned what, and/or verify wh

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-17 Thread Al
What makes you think Novell's legal team have as little subtlety and smarts as SCO's? There are other options. > [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] > > "We're not interested in suing people over Unix," > Novell spokesman > Bruce Lowry said. "We're not even in the Unix > business anym

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-16 Thread S h i v
On 8/17/07, Kaiwai Gardiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 06:34 +0530, S h i v wrote: > > On 8/17/07, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] > > > > > > "We're not interested in suing people over Unix," Novell spokesman > > > Br

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-16 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Fri, 2007-08-17 at 06:34 +0530, S h i v wrote: > On 8/17/07, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] > > > > "We're not interested in suing people over Unix," Novell spokesman > > Bruce Lowry said. "We're not even in the Unix business anymore." > >

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-16 Thread S h i v
On 8/17/07, Brandorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] > > "We're not interested in suing people over Unix," Novell spokesman > Bruce Lowry said. "We're not even in the Unix business anymore." > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135959-c,unix/article.html

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-16 Thread Brandorr
[b]Bruce Lowry, Novell Spokesman, Aug 2007[/b] "We're not interested in suing people over Unix," Novell spokesman Bruce Lowry said. "We're not even in the Unix business anymore." http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,135959-c,unix/article.html On 8/16/07, Al <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [b]Darl McBr

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-16 Thread Al
[b]Darl McBride, SCO CEO, April 2005[/b]: "We have seen what Sun plans to do with OpenSolaris and we have no problem with it. What they're doing protects our Unix intellectual property rights." [b]Jack Messman, Novell CEO, in November 2004 on Sun's plans to open source Solaris[/b]: "We are g

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Alan DuBoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, Michael Huff wrote: > > > Is it that simple? > > > > Sun paid money to SCO to license IP (of some form) relating to Unix -why > > would they do that if they already owned the rights to it? > > Insurance? While I don't know exactly what

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Kaiwai Gardiner
On Tue, 2007-08-14 at 09:18 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: > Michael, > > > Since SCO had no right to enter into the deal, and had no authority to > > assign rights, wouldn't that essentially invalidate the deal -and therefore > > leave Sun as vulnerable as they were before the made that agreement -may

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Josh Berkus
Michael, > Since SCO had no right to enter into the deal, and had no authority to > assign rights, wouldn't that essentially invalidate the deal -and therefore > leave Sun as vulnerable as they were before the made that agreement -maybe > even more so now that they've distributed code that they po

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007, Michael Huff wrote: > Is it that simple? > > Sun paid money to SCO to license IP (of some form) relating to Unix -why > would they do that if they already owned the rights to it? Insurance? While I don't know exactly what they did with SCO, in a world of litigation, a littl

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Casper . Dik
>Is it that simple? > >Sun paid money to SCO to license IP (of some form) relating to Unix - >why would they do that if they already owned the rights to it? At the time this was said to be a license for "(Intel) specific device drivers". >Since SCO had no right to enter into the deal, and had

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Giles Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/14/07, Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello, > > > > since I´ m not very well informed about the history of Unix, I just wanted > > to ask: Could Novell come up one day and say "parts of Solaris is ours" ? > > > > Thanks in advance? > > No.

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Michael Huff
Is it that simple? Sun paid money to SCO to license IP (of some form) relating to Unix -why would they do that if they already owned the rights to it? Since SCO had no right to enter into the deal, and had no authority to assign rights, wouldn't that essentially invalidate the deal -and theref

Re: [osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Giles Turner
On 8/14/07, Dennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > since I´ m not very well informed about the history of Unix, I just wanted to > ask: Could Novell come up one day and say "parts of Solaris is ours" ? > > Thanks in advance? No. Sun's license goes way back to AT&T days with System V rele

[osol-discuss] Unix belongs to Novell - any impact for Solaris?

2007-08-14 Thread Dennis
Hello, since I´ m not very well informed about the history of Unix, I just wanted to ask: Could Novell come up one day and say "parts of Solaris is ours" ? Thanks in advance? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing