[Pharo-users] Small OS-... project addition

2016-09-08 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Hi, now also the OSX project in the OS series [1] has support to - directly open a terminal - directly open a file browser (Finder) on the working directory right from the Pharo tools menu. See attached screenshot. Depending on your platform just load - OSOSX - OSWindows - OSLinuxUbuntu

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread stepharo
You can be proud of you. I'm proud of you and I can tell you that I really understand you. I can tell you that once I was tempted to change the license of my new books because bad people could just take everything. (yes this is silly when you read but I thought about it and we even discussed it

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

2016-09-08 Thread stepharo
Johan let me know if there is anything that I should do. Stef Le 8/9/16 à 01:11, Johan Fabry a écrit : Excellent, you found a bug in my code! What happens is that when one item is selected in a list, in the other list the currently selected item is de-selected. This causes *both* blocks

Re: [Pharo-users] Spur problem?

2016-09-08 Thread stepharo
Usman I do not think that Synectique should deploy Pharo 50 products before any real experiences have been done and this is good that you are doing them because Synectique as Moos as some special memory setup. Stef Le 7/9/16 à 16:56, Usman Bhatti a écrit : Hi, While working on a Pharo 5

Re: [Pharo-users] Profiling

2016-09-08 Thread Clément Bera
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 3:44 AM, Vitor Medina Cruz wrote: > Hello, > > While profiling some I/O code that takes ~20 seconds to execute under my > local image, the report says that about ~13 seconds is waste on > OtherProcesses -> ProcessorScheduler class>>idleProcess. I could not > understand what

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Small OS-... project addition

2016-09-08 Thread Tudor Girba
Nice! Doru > On Sep 8, 2016, at 9:06 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > > Hi, > > now also the OSX project in the OS series [1] has support to > > - directly open a terminal > - directly open a file browser (Finder) on the working directory > > right from the Pharo tools menu. See attached scr

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Nice to know something good came out after taking all the heat. In my case I learn about licensing with the reasons behind and not "just take it!"... My sources of information, the main spec.st site, made my mistake about dual license a valid misinterpretation and even the idea that there are

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Offray, I am sorry you feel down. The wording of Stef did appear strong. However, please keep in mind that email is a terrible medium for expressing and transmitting feelings. I would kindly ask you to reconsider the emails and focus on the content and you will see that the wording was not

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Hi Tudor, I recognize the impedance with mail as an expression medium and most of the time it was like you said, except when Stef addressed to me with "It is amazing how you like talking" (is this some kind of invitation to "just shut up!"? Is that a "remainder" I have not written enough code

Re: [Pharo-users] Profiling

2016-09-08 Thread Vitor Medina Cruz
Thanks for the answers! If this is time spent on I/O it is really strange. I am consuming the Twitter API and it don't get so much time like this to get a response. Besides, while those profiles were made at a Windows 10 local machine, the same code on a Pharo 5 (get.pharo.org) deployed on a linux

Re: [Pharo-users] Profiling

2016-09-08 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 08 Sep 2016, at 14:01, Vitor Medina Cruz wrote: > > Thanks for the answers! > > If this is time spent on I/O it is really strange. I am consuming the Twitter > API and it don't get so much time like this to get a response. Besides, while > those profiles were made at a Windows 10 local m

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
well he did apologize And these things do happen in all communities, I cannot begin to describe the poison I have received in the #common-lisp irc channel. One time also in their mailing list , some old member got annoyed for small reason with a begineer and he gave him code to delete his hard dri

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas
Please let's move on. My motivation was trying to see the logic behind licenses in Pharo (not on popularity of GPL vs MIT), raised by a valid concern on free riding, enclosure of the commons and reciprocity, which is a hot topic with a lot of debate in free culture/knowledge communities. I lear

[Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
I have been aware about Discord for some time now , but I never used it because both Pharo and Unreal channels are on Slack. From my small experience with it, it seemed much more superior to Slack with added bonus that is completely free (open source ) and with no restrictions unlike Slack. But so

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

2016-09-08 Thread Matteo via Pharo-users
--- Begin Message --- thanks Jhoan for the explanation! Do you know some technique to intercept this kind bug? (...or to avoid them?) thanks Matteo On 08/09/16 01:11, Johan Fabry wrote: > Excellent, you found a bug in my code! > > What happens is that when one item is selected in a list, in the

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

2016-09-08 Thread Johan Fabry
Thanks Stef ! There will be a new chapter for you to review soon ;-) -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science Department (DCC) - Universi

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread PBKResearch
Well did he? All I saw was an attempt to justify what he had said, in terms of the difficult history etc. Forceful argument is fine, but a personal attack like the one Offray quoted is unforgiveable. It could be put to bed if Stef would just say ‘sorry’ for that. But I’m not holding my breath.

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Johan Fabry
Dory, can your mail be put on the Pharo web page, the contributions part? It seems that with a bit of polishing it would fit in well there, and this way future discussions can point to that page. -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://email

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

2016-09-08 Thread Johan Fabry
Hi Matteo, glad to be of help. And sorry but these kinds of concurrency bugs are the hardest to catch, there is no straightforward solution. -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabr

Re: [Pharo-users] Small OS-... project addition

2016-09-08 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Pretty cool! Is it available from the catalog? Alexandre > On Sep 8, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > > Hi, > > now also the OSX project in the OS series [1] has support to > > - directly open a terminal > - directly open a file browser (Finder) on the working directory > > rig

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Yes he did after my reply "So sorry to be rude but I'm ***REALLY*** busy. Much more than you can imagine. Even more. And I feel responsible. " So let us move on :) On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 at 16:19, PBKResearch wrote: > Well did he? All I saw was an attempt to justify what he had said, in > terms of

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] Small OS-... project addition

2016-09-08 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 08 Sep 2016, at 15:55, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > > Pretty cool! > Is it available from the catalog? > > Alexandre > > >> On Sep 8, 2016, at 4:06 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> now also the OSX project in the OS series [1] has support to >> >> - directly open a terminal

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

2016-09-08 Thread Matteo via Pharo-users
--- Begin Message --- Hi Jhoan, Does static typing could fix these kind of bugs? [hahaha, just kidding ;) ] About the SpecBooklet, for now there's only 3 (really) small issues: at page 3 --> the phrase "You could can use the rest..." should be fixed; at page 5 --> to le

Re: [Pharo-users] [ANN] Territorial Re-Licensing

2016-09-08 Thread Hernán Morales Durand
Hi Offray Ad hominem comments never help. But we all make mistakes, we are not experts in Argumentation Theory, but I think we are learning from every discussion. Licensing has black void holes. I would prefer to read "GPL could result in lower feedback for your projects, because community size i

Re: [Pharo-users] difficult to kill objects - pesky hanging pointersTo

2016-09-08 Thread Damien Pollet
On 7 September 2016 at 20:45, stepharo wrote: > And wht I learned is that we should do > > > ClassOfObjectsThatMustDie allInstances first become: nil > but really String new. > But why a two-way become and not a becomeForward?

Re: [Pharo-users] Profiling

2016-09-08 Thread Vitor Medina Cruz
> > Why not ? You are doing (lot's of) network I/O. It is normal that your > image code has to wait from time to time for data to come in from the > network. By definition that is slow (in CPU terms). The Digital Ocean > instance is probably faster in that respect. > But only the wait time corresp

Re: [Pharo-users] SpecBooklet: Strange behavior of ProtocolBrowser

2016-09-08 Thread Johan Fabry
Thanks for your kind words and also for the report of the issues, I will take care of that ASAP! -- Does this mail seem too brief? Sorry for that, I don’t mean to be rude! Please see http://emailcharter.org . Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry PLEIAD and RyCh labs - Computer Science

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Thanks all of the people who joined us we are already 14 members including 2 administrators me and Esteban. Discord has passed this daily test, it supports markup which means you can paste Pharo code with Smalltalk syntax highlighting, it previews links, edit messages, has YouTube and Twitch integr

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Hi Kilon, Why move there? Just because Unreal is using it and dropped Slack doesn't mean it doesn't work for a small community like ours. I would avoid adding noise here and stick with what already works. It took us some time to reach ~250 members in https://pharoproject.slack.com/. Balkanization

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
The main reason why Unreal has abandoned Slack is the reason I made the Discord server and that is 10.000 messages limit. Not only Slack asks payment for more but it also deletes anything that passes that limit. For me and Esteban and I suspect many people that's unacceptable when there a ton of g

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Is there a way to link Slack with Discord? I remember people asking for a IRC gateway when I setup the Slack channel, don't know whether they still use IRC or the gateway at all. I could change easily, I don't like the fact that I'll have to install another app in my phone... but whatever... no bi

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Minor correction Discord is not free software but it offers all its services for free. So it's not like Pharo after all. Another advantage I found is that part of the plans is a screen sharing feature that can it much easier for us to show codes and bugs. On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 at 22:25, Dimitris Chlo

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread p...@highoctane.be
+100 On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 9:25 PM, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > The main reason why Unreal has abandoned Slack is the reason I made the > Discord server and that is 10.000 messages limit. Not only Slack asks > payment for more but it also deletes anything that passes that limit. > > For me and E

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Hold your horses we still testing it out. No need to rush things. Stick with Slack, that's fine. I don't know about linking Slack and Discord. Personally I don't see the point, when we created Slack , the IRC channel died out. The same will happen to slack if discord proves as good as we assume it

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Gour
On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 19:36:24 + Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Minor correction Discord is not free software but it offers all its > services for free. So it's not like Pharo after all. When we speak about 'services for free', I'm always suspicious in regard to privacy...here is a recent post (ht

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Well it's a free world after all , so you are welcome to use whatever you like. But on the one hand you talk about safety and then you mention IRC which is the polar opposite to safety. I also consider another chat client , rocket chat https://rocket.chat This one is open source using our favor

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Hmm I am blind it has mobile clients after all. Looks like I will be testing it out soon. The more the merrier ;) On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 at 00:02, Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Well it's a free world after all , so you are welcome to use whatever you > like. > > But on the one hand you talk about safety

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Gour
On Thu, 8 Sep 2016 16:35:32 -0300 "Esteban A. Maringolo" wrote: > Is there a way to link Slack with Discord? I remember people asking > for a IRC gateway when I setup the Slack channel, don't know whether > they still use IRC or the gateway at all. > I could change easily, I don't like the fact

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Brad Selfridge
Plus, you can setup your own chat server - Brad Selfridge -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Moving-from-Slack-to-Discord-tp4914751p4914852.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Gour
On Thu, 08 Sep 2016 21:02:41 + Dimitris Chloupis wrote: > Well it's a free world after all , so you are welcome to use whatever > you like. Sure. ;) > But on the one hand you talk about safety and then you mention IRC > which is the polar opposite to safety. Well, with IRC, I am , at least

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Yeap that's definetly a plus however it won't be free if you decide to use rocket server which gives Discord the edge here. On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 at 00:23, Brad Selfridge wrote: > Plus, you can setup your own chat server > > > > - > Brad Selfridge > -- > View this message in context: > http://f

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
K'mon Kilon, we need more agreement and cohesion and you bring Discord to this community! ;-) Esteban A. Maringolo 2016-09-08 18:35 GMT-03:00 Dimitris Chloupis : > Yeap that's definetly a plus however it won't be free if you decide to use > rocket server which gives Discord the edge here. > > On

Re: [Pharo-users] Moving from Slack to Discord

2016-09-08 Thread Dimitris Chloupis
Lol good one Yeah I will be sticking with Discord , no need for maintenance , easy and simple, the way I like it. We have enough to maintain already . On Fri, 9 Sep 2016 at 00:56, Esteban A. Maringolo wrote: > K'mon Kilon, we need more agreement and cohesion and you bring Discord to > this commu

Re: [Pharo-users] Developer and guide needed for Pharo+Seaside business application

2016-09-08 Thread Sanjay Minni
Hello Hi All ... reposting with some changes in the requirement, I am looking for a Pharo + Seaside Consultant / Guide to help re-develop our business applications in Pharo+Seaside (+Web Stack +Postgres/Sqlite). The person can work from where-ever on any convenient basis. The consultant has to a