it might come across as "name -dropping" but your reference to Eagleton
reminded me of the recently departed Frank Kermode [1] and his consistent
attempts at introducing 'theory' within the Leavisite bastions of Cambridge.
Kermode's own work always remained a brilliant example of accessibility that
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> I hate this about Agile programmers too, who I usually abhor
Um ... why?
-- b
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:48 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
>> Title: "The Trajectory of the Subaltern in My Work"
>> Length: 1hr 28min 55sec
>
> I just completed listening and occasionally watching the entire video
> in the background whil
> I'm not alone in calling her language obtuse - her fellow
> post-modernists (I don't think it's very nice to take a commonly
> understood term like "modern" and overlay it with a specific technical
> meaning, I hate this about Agile programmers too, who I usually abhor,
> but that's for another t
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:43 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote:
I think that in technology and science, jargon has a precise
> definition -- a two or three line explanation that has no room for
> ambiguity.
> On the other hand take some cultural theory that invents new language
> to explain the power st
Udhay Shankar N [14/10/10 06:54 +0530]:
Not the entire field, but some members of it, certainly (which is fine,
recalling that 90% of *everything* is crap)
It is marked by intellectual dishonesty such as the use of logical
fallacies, ad hominem rather than debate .. you name it. Shines through
On 13-Oct-10 11:07 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> Very useful - thanks Udhay, so my hunch was right (Chip's description
> of the entire field can be summed up as pretentious wankers).
Not the entire field, but some members of it, certainly (which is fine,
recalling that 90% of *everything* is cr
Oh, come.
Let's not give Derrida-ish wankers the same rights as us humans.
On 13 Oct 2010 19:30, wrote:
(Apologies for top-posting, via phone)
If a lay reader's criticism of a theorist's language is legitimate, is a
layperson equally right to criticise technical language in a scientific
discus
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
>
>
Very useful - thanks Udhay, so my hunch was right (Chip's description
of the entire field can be summed up as pretentious wankers).
Cheeni
On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 6:18:59 pm Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> Much as I love you, Cheeni, I'm not going to watch this.
>
Udhay. I know you like books and you are an avid reader. I don't want you to
be disappointeed.
Here. A whole book on Gayatri Chk Spk
http://niazi.info/web_documents/gayatri_cha
On Wednesday 13 Oct 2010 5:45:34 pm Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHH4ALRFHw
>
> I don't want to call things I don't understand names, but this talk
> smells so strongly of BS I have to ask this "online collective" what
> they think. Anyone who begins a talk with lash
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote:
> By being obscure, the cultural theorist is making a statement about
> the nature of language itself. For a layperson to understand this,
> does take some reading beyond two or three line definitions. Hence the
> impatience and the call for
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote:
> This kinda obscure stuff is what post-modern stuff is usually about.
> Post-modernism was built on the might of intellectuals such as
> Derrida, who relied on neologisms. Derrida's prose was referred to by
> Foucault as "obscurantisme terro
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Aadisht Khanna wrote:
> This may be a professional decision, so that work published throughout
> her career is given citations under the same name.
I hope so - I was so annoyed at the end of the talk I was going for
attention whore, but you may be right.
Cheeni
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:56 PM, wrote:
> If a lay reader's criticism of a theorist's language is legitimate, is a
> layperson equally right to criticise technical language in a scientific
> discussion that her education has not equipped her to follow, as obtuse?
I'm not alone in calling her l
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 4:16 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> - only talks about her work3/4th of the way into her talk
>
Oh and also what's with the incessant name dropping? As I was saying
to xxx the other day, and yyy was there too - really, this is relevant
to a technical talk on her work?
Ch
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Aadisht Khanna wrote:
>> On 13-10-2010 18:48, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
>>
>>> Ergo I expect to see a lot of shit flying around on the Internet
>>> criticizing this lady (who inexplicably hangs onto the las
> If not, why not? Is it because cultural theory owes it to laypeople to be
> less academic, or to adopt more egalitarian stances?
I think that in technology and science, jargon has a precise
definition -- a two or three line explanation that has no room for
ambiguity.
On the other hand take some
If the word "academia" is to be hijacked as the prerogative (or is it
playground) of postmodernists, much the same way that the liberal left likes to
arrogate to itself the term "progressive", why should we care when someone
chooses to retain a name she once had legitimate title to?
--
srs (bl
On 13-Oct-10 7:21 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> Post modernist pretentiousness strikes again. Possibly the one thing more
> bogus is "science studies", I guess
Flamebait for Chris Kelty. Where are you, Herr Doktor?
Udhay
--
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(Apologies for top-posting, via phone)
If a lay reader's criticism of a theorist's language is legitimate, is a
layperson equally right to criticise technical language in a scientific
discussion that her education has not equipped her to follow, as obtuse?
If so, can I bring up the criticism t
On 13-Oct-10 6:55 PM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote:
> This kinda obscure stuff is what post-modern stuff is usually about.
> Post-modernism was built on the might of intellectuals such as
> Derrida, who relied on neologisms. Derrida's prose was referred to by
> Foucault as "obscurantisme terroriste". The
Post modernist pretentiousness strikes again. Possibly the one thing more bogus
is "science studies", I guess
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On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Aadisht Khanna wrote:
> On 13-10-2010 18:48, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
>
>> Ergo I expect to see a lot of shit flying around on the Internet
>> criticizing this lady (who inexplicably hangs onto the last name of a
>> man from many marriages back), but there isn't?
On 13-10-2010 18:48, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> Ergo I expect to see a lot of shit flying around on the Internet
> criticizing this lady (who inexplicably hangs onto the last name of a
> man from many marriages back), but there isn't? All the heuristics
This may be a professional decision, so th
> Or more generally, I come across the Bengali (it is usually a Bengali)
> literary critic / thinker who spouts incomprehensible sentences such
> as "homeopathy of self abstraction" and I think to myself - what a
> wanker. I'm perhaps wrong because these are clearly educated and
> intelligent peopl
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> story in the NYT and many blogs mostly with other Bengalis (!) are
s/mostly with other Bengalis/mostly by other Bengalis/
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:16 AM, ss wrote:
> Overcriminalization of society already exists (in many places). The criminals
> stay out of jail. The world will feel like jail for anyone who doesn't belong
> I guess.
In the US it's a particular aberration of the free markets - they
build jails as pr
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> Title: "The Trajectory of the Subaltern in My Work"
> Length: 1hr 28min 55sec
I just completed listening and occasionally watching the entire video
in the background while doing other things of course. I have the
following observations:
a)
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Giancarlo Livraghi wrote:
> Of course I don't understand the specific Indian implications of this
> thread, but worldwide I find overintellectualised BS particularly
> unpalatable.
She claims she isn't Indian in her thought - and anyone calling her
ideas Indian is
Of course I don't understand the specific Indian implications of this
thread, but worldwide I find overintellectualised BS particularly
unpalatable.
Cheers
Giancarlo
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 11:43:31AM +0200, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> A radical American pessimist's guide to the next 10 years I think. The
Of course. (Though "radical" he's not).
> author seems to have confused the concept of the world and USA, I have
It's quite obvious that he's writing abou
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> Much as I love you, Cheeni, I'm not going to watch this.
What fascinates me is this: the speaker and her listeners are clearly
educated (maybe a little too much, they have the air of people who
have only hung around in college campuses) an
On 13-Oct-10 5:45 PM, Srini RamaKrishnan wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHH4ALRFHw
>
> I don't want to call things I don't understand names, but this talk
> smells so strongly of BS I have to ask this "online collective" what
> they think. Anyone who begins a talk with lashing out at cr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZHH4ALRFHw
I don't want to call things I don't understand names, but this talk
smells so strongly of BS I have to ask this "online collective" what
they think. Anyone who begins a talk with lashing out at critics, and
then taking every opportunity to feather one's n
Deepa Mohan [13/10/10 15:00 +0530]:
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
wrote:
culture vultures, I've heard "another" type described .. you know,
aggressively ethnic fabindia clothes, a bindi as large as a manhole cover,
consciously (over)use bharatnatyam mudras even in norm
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> On 08-Oct-10 9:46 AM, Sruthi Krishnan wrote:
>
> > But serious listening is different -- it becomes a task in itself (of
> > course, a very pleasurable one).
>
> Indeed. I'd also claim that single-task listening to music and
> background o
On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 7:24 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/a-radical-pessimists-guide-to-the-next-10-years/article1750609/print/
>
> Douglas Coupland
>
> A radical pessimist's guide to the next 10 years
A radical American pessimist's guide to the next
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
wrote:
> culture vultures, I've heard "another" type described .. you know,
> aggressively ethnic fabindia clothes, a bindi as large as a manhole cover,
> consciously (over)use bharatnatyam mudras even in normal conversation over
> dinner etc
vtms = middle aged women wearing diamond earrings.
culture vultures, I've heard "another" type described .. you know,
aggressively ethnic fabindia clothes, a bindi as large as a manhole cover,
consciously (over)use bharatnatyam mudras even in normal conversation over
dinner etc. Detest them almo
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 1:54 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> Here's someone who agrees with you:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20015642-47.html
>
>
Oh, EVERYONE detests the gossipers; everyone is an utter devotee of the
music none more than the gossipers themselves, when asked! How ofte
On 07-Oct-10 6:52 PM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> The same with me. I cant treat music I like as useful background noise when
> I get on with other work, and I detest people gossiping about saree prices
> and daughter in laws at a concert on the rare occasions I do go to those
Here's someone
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