Re: [OSM-talk] What Streets are in what Places

2009-11-18 Thread John Smith
2009/11/18 Emilie Laffray : > > > 2009/11/18 Liz >> >> On Fri, 13 Nov 2009, Peter Childs wrote: >> > What I would like to do is write a script that takes the planet and >> > gives a list of the places (towns, villages etc) and a polygon/area >> > for each place. >> Please leave australia out of yo

Re: [OSM-talk] does one need to download the planet to use osmosis

2009-11-13 Thread John Smith
2009/11/14 Kenneth Gonsalves : > hi, > > I want to use osmosis to download and extract from the planet. I tried giving > the web address of the planet latest file, but get an error saying > 'http:/openstre../planet_latest.. not found'. Note that the error gives the > address as http:/  with only on

Re: [OSM-talk] What Streets are in what Places

2009-11-13 Thread John Smith
2009/11/13 Peter Childs : > I like it, but I wonder whether the place=city should be on the way > rather than on some miscellaneous node. I'm not sure I like the bodge > that is admin_level's I had always thought of them as government > administration borders. It's also tagged as landuse=resi

Re: [OSM-talk] What Streets are in what Places

2009-11-13 Thread John Smith
2009/11/13 Peter Childs : > My first though was for an generated list rather than entered > boarders, however thinking again this might need some human > intervention to work properly. Boundaries are just as much arbitary as they are geographically based etc > I'm not trying to reflect local gove

Re: [OSM-talk] What Streets are in what Places

2009-11-13 Thread John Smith
2009/11/13 Andrew Errington : > You could calculate node density (nodes/km2) and assume that node density > will decay from the centre of a town to the edge.  This would work for the > nodes in ways, since 'in town' will have more streets than 'out of town'. > A rural area with winding roads might

Re: [OSM-talk] What Streets are in what Places

2009-11-13 Thread John Smith
2009/11/13 Peter Childs : > The is_in tag is not a lot of use either due to it being inconsistent. I thought is_in is depreciated and replaced by polygons? > While I don't think this list would be worth piping back in to the > database, it might be useful for knowing what were missing. I can

Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?

2009-11-12 Thread John Smith
2009/11/13 Anthony : > On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:42 PM, John Smith wrote: >> That might be the case if the data is a single image, but if there is >> a base layer plus a data layer then what? > > Ultimately it is made into a single image before it is displayed on > the

Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?

2009-11-12 Thread John Smith
2009/11/13 Anthony : > Just copying it to their data center so it can sit on the hard drive > doing nothing?  I'm mainly interested in whether or not their lawyers > think they can do a mashup using CC-BY-SA data plus say proprietary > aerial imagery, without releasing the aerial imagery under CC-B

Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?

2009-11-12 Thread John Smith
2009/11/13 Anthony : > I realize the toilet map is serious, but I was more interested in > whether or not Google is in fact using the data under CC-BY-SA, and if > so for what. At a guess they'd only be copying the data, not improving upon it so they can just say there is nothing to share, basical

Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?

2009-11-10 Thread John Smith
It doesn't look like CC-BY-SA is a limiting factor to google: http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/10/google_australia/ "This is just one of the new data sets that Google Australia is planning to incorporate into its Google Maps platform, courtesy of a major "open access"

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for JOSM

2009-11-03 Thread John Smith
2009/11/3 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > 2009/11/3 John Smith >> >> Gimp lets you plot freehand or if you hold shift will do a straight >> line, I'm sure there is a number of modifiers that would make a free >> hand mode useful... > > Gimp is a bitmap-

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for JOSM

2009-11-03 Thread John Smith
2009/11/3 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > > 2009/11/3 John Smith >> >> 2009/11/3 Michael Barabanov : >> > Also, a free-hand drawing mode (e.g. press-down left mouse button and >> > drag) in JOSM would go a long way towards faster tracing. Clicking to >

Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?

2009-11-02 Thread John Smith
2009/11/3 Anthony : > True.  I should have said "a non-copyleft license" rather than "public > domain".  CC-BY would probably be easier to implement than public > domain, actually. Actually that's a good point, with CC-BY-SA it's obvious where it came from, public domain can take a lot of effort t

Re: [OSM-talk] Will Google ever use OSM data?

2009-11-02 Thread John Smith
2009/11/3 Anthony : > No.  I was going to say "not unless OSM abandons CC-BY-SA in favor of > public domain", but that's not going to ever happen either, so no. Google has no problem with saying where the data comes from, they already do this by commercial companies. This isn't the same thing as

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for JOSM

2009-11-02 Thread John Smith
2009/11/3 Michael Barabanov : > Also, a free-hand drawing mode (e.g. press-down left mouse button and > drag) in JOSM would go a long way towards faster tracing. Clicking to > add one point at a time is pretty slow. +1 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for JOSM

2009-11-01 Thread John Smith
2009/11/2 Dan Homerick : > On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 10:56 PM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> You can already convert a GPX layer to a OSM layer and then upload the >> results, just right click on the layer, however it can be very tedious >> to remove points if they are on

Re: [OSM-talk] Suggestion for JOSM

2009-11-01 Thread John Smith
2009/11/2 Shalabh : > I will leave this open to discussion but I thought it better to bring this > to everybody's notice, so JOSM can be made more user friendly. You can already convert a GPX layer to a OSM layer and then upload the results, just right click on the layer, however it can be very te

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread John Smith
2009/11/2 Anthony : > Yeah well, maybe in the US.  In France you can copyright a building > and anyone who takes a picture of the building and uses it for > commercial purposes without permission is committing copyright > infringement.  Maybe they'd be willing to extend that to roads, at > least in

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread John Smith
2009/11/2 Jukka Rahkonen : > John Smith gmail.com> writes: > >> >> 2009/11/2 Martin Koppenhoefer gmail.com>: >> > in some regions/countries like the EU there is also a database protection >> > and those aerial images are / might be considered a dat

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread John Smith
2009/11/2 Jukka Rahkonen : > different contracts. Yahoo obviously paying more because of more open licence Yahoo also seems to have "new" data that's 3 years old, so they may get it for the same price (or cheaper), but have more rights to derive data from it? _

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread John Smith
2009/11/2 Martin Koppenhoefer : > in some regions/countries like the EU there is also a database protection > and those aerial images are / might be considered a database. Then all photos are databases... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org htt

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread John Smith
2009/11/1 Anthony : > If you're tracing roads, you're copying the shape of the roads. > You're certainly copying *something*, but that something is probably > not copyrighted (and almost certainly not copyrighted by the person > who took the picture).  The copyright on the shape and location of the

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-11-01 Thread John Smith
2009/11/1 Pieren : > I don't like this thread because it could leave the impression that > tracing on orthophotos is not a copyright infringement. Unfortunately, > it is. People are mixing factual data visible on a picture like "the Actually it doesn't have anything to do with copyright because yo

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-10-29 Thread John Smith
2009/10/30 Stefan de Konink : > The talk with Leslie was pretty clear; state a well founded business case > why OSM exchange would be good for Google and there is an opening. Google > seems to be about talking the truth externally but usually not more than > you already know. (Which is probably ver

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-10-29 Thread John Smith
2009/10/30 Stefan de Konink : > At the GSoC there was a clear opening. Will pursue this when I'll feel > better. It seems to me that Google prefers it a bit grey when it comes to their suppliers, so I'm not sure you'll end up with a better answer than Ed has already given. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Illegal activity

2009-10-29 Thread John Smith
2009/10/29 Kenneth Gonsalves : > look, a few days back someone (I think it was Richard Fairhurst) started a > campaign asking google to allow us to trace their imagery. A lot of us signed > up. The answer was a flat 'no'. So there is nothing ambigous about it. Yahoo! > has said 'yes', google has sa

Re: [OSM-talk] differences in how OpenCycleMap renders bicycle parking

2009-10-24 Thread John Smith
2009/10/24 Erik Johansson : > I have this problem for the Swedish country side. we have so much land > and so little mapped things that the UK created mapnik rules used for > Europe are no good. Other examples of this are highway sheilds in dense areas v sparsely populated areas.

Re: [OSM-talk] Roadside Distance Markers

2009-10-22 Thread John Smith
2009/10/23 mle : > Hi Folks - > > on a recent survey, I mapped some roads with modern km markers by the > side of the road.  How should these be mapped - As a node within the > highway, or a separate single node to the side of the highway.  And how > to tag these ? Wouldn't it be better to make a

Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-21 Thread John Smith
2009/10/21 Ciprian Talaba : > Thanks for all the info. With your help I was able to obtain older extracts > for Romania and to create some evolution movies. They are not great compared > with what ITO have done in the past but they covered our needs (we have also > contacted ITO, actually Peter Mil

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC -(man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-21 Thread John Smith
2009/10/21 Ulf Lamping : > A former cafe can be helpful as a landmark as well. Especially when it's > a free standing building (e.g. in a forest) near a larger city, which is > not that uncommon in germany. > > If you stand in front of it, you'll now this once was a cafe. Larger > paved area in fro

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Lesi : > I know mineshaft you can get very close to (2-3m). With your argument half > of the features of OSM should not be mapped e.g. historic=wreck or streets > within the ground of a factory. And once again: mineshafts which have a > headframe are very good points of reference. Often

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Martin Koppenhoefer : > 2009/10/20 John Smith : >> There is probably a good reason only tourist attractions are mapped >> because you wouldn't be allowed to go near one unless you worked >> there, there is a mine shaft on the other side of town but I wouldn

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (man_made=mineshaft)

2009-10-20 Thread John Smith
2009/10/20 Lesi : >> It would be helpful to know what people are mapping these features as >> currently - looking in the UK I can see one "man-made=mineshaft" and no >> references to "surface_mining".  Do you know what people are using >> currently? > > In the area I map the mineshafts are currentl

Re: [OSM-talk] Older planet files (from 2007)?

2009-10-15 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Ciprian Talaba : > Hello, > > Is there a place where we can download old planet files, from 2007 for > example? I would like to create an animation with the development of a > Romanian city, but the extracts I have started in November 2007, and I would > like to start with an (almost) em

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-15 Thread John Smith
2009/10/16 Russ Nelson : > Liz writes: >  > On Wed, 14 Oct 2009, Shaun McDonald wrote: >  > > Before you propose a tag, you should be using it. >  > >  > Why? > > To show people how you're using it.  http://osm.org/ Just because you use something, doesn't mean you picked the right combination

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Gilles Corlobé : > You're right : If the area is covered by a forest (or a lake, or whatever), > it should appear like this on the map. What would a user think if he finds a > forest (even if it's in a military area) that is not on the map? > And we should remerber that all users are not

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Gilles Corlobé : > In my opinion, the tag "landuse=military" should only be used for specificly > military activities, like those discribed in the wiki. > Some of you have suggested to create 2 areas, covering the same place. I > don't think this is correct. One of you said that's done e

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Dave F. : > Pieren wrote: >> 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé : >> >>> I didn't know I didn't have to wait the approval. >>> It's now done : http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz-- >>> >> >> Gilles, your approach was the correct one. Don't follow those stupid >> advices from guys how want the chaos in OSM

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (boundary=military)

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/14 Pieren : > 2009/10/13 Gilles Corlobé : >> I didn't know I didn't have to wait the approval. >> It's now done : http://osm.org/go/xXEahwWz-- > > Gilles, your approach was the correct one. Don't follow those stupid > advices from guys how want the chaos in OSM. Making proposals and > havin

Re: [OSM-talk] Visual map for the blind

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 : > I would love to agree, but the needs of disabled persons are widely spread > over our tagging scheme anyway, and awareness of objects that refer to > accessibility is nearly zero. > There are categories for visual, hearing and walking impariment, colletcted > in the category "ac

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik shelter rendering

2009-10-13 Thread John Smith
2009/10/13 Frederik Ramm : > Hi, > >> True. In german we say "Schutzhütte" (losely translates as "protection >> hut") and the german wikipedia article shows good examples in pictures: >> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzhütte (ignore the one in the lower >> right corner). These "shelters" are onl

Re: [OSM-talk] bot vandalism

2009-10-12 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Matthias Versen : > Should we allow to register everyone only with a valid email address and > let him edit the whole planet with JOSM/potlatch/script without quality > check ? > This new users are doing the same mistakes I did at the beginning and > they often break valid data and they

Re: [OSM-talk] mapnik shelter rendering

2009-10-11 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Dave G <9gerk...@gmail.com>: > http://alpineguides.co.nz/info/huts/tasman_saddle.htm but sorry > not restaurants!! They have a link to google maps, maybe if you can get the tagging sorted you could get them to link to OSM maps that actually show their hut on the map :) ___

Re: [OSM-talk] Visual map for the blind

2009-10-11 Thread John Smith
2009/10/12 Lulu-Ann : > Hello list, > > hello andrzej, > >> What tag would you use for bus/tram stops with a "i" button that reads >> out the information about trams soonest to arrive, aloud? > > I have never seen those before. > > Not proposed yet, but I guess many things need explanation, > so I

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-11 Thread John Smith
2009/10/11 Richard Fairhurst : > John Smith wrote: >> What exactly, in your opinion, should the talk list be used for >> exactly, now that everything has been branched off to it's own list? > >  From a quick scan through the last couple of months, perhaps stuff > like

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-11 Thread John Smith
2009/10/11 Richard Fairhurst : > Pieren wrote: >> And, btw, I think that discussions about tagging is central enough in >> OSM project that it should stay in the main talk list. > > You're entitled to that view. Similarly, I think that discussions about > licences are central enough to OSM that the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Tagging] Google has dual carriage way where it'snot built yet

2009-10-10 Thread John Smith
2009/10/11 Anthony : > That's my point though.  I'm not sure we should allow "proposed" or > "historical" data unless and until OSM supports the features of > traditional layers.  Perhaps there is a way to be smarter about it > (allow links between layers but warn when they are broken), but I'm > n

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-08 Thread John Smith
2009/10/9 Lester Caine : > Russ Nelson wrote: >> I considered doing so, but this issue is larger than tagging.  Do you >> have anything to contribute other than stop energy to my suggestion? >> >> Apollinaris Schoell writes: >>  > can you move this thread to the new list where it belongs? > > I agr

Re: [OSM-talk] Instead of voting

2009-10-08 Thread John Smith
2009/10/9 Russ Nelson : > The benefit is that people spend more time mapping and less time > coordinating with each other on things that don't need to be > coordinated in advance. I disagree, there are contentious tags I just won't bother doing anything with, simply because it seems like it would

Re: [OSM-talk] Visual map for the blind

2009-10-08 Thread John Smith
2009/10/9 Mike N. : >> Not quite the same thing but I was told last week some colour blind >> people can't use Google maps because there is too much green, but they >> can use maps based on OSM data, not sure which style etc, because it >> has less/no green > >  As long as they don't live in Georgi

Re: [OSM-talk] Visual map for the blind

2009-10-08 Thread John Smith
2009/10/9 Lulu-Ann : > Hello list members, > > starting today there is a visual slippy map displaying map features for > the blind an visually impaired available in a beta testing state: > > http://freenet-homepage.de/rapunzely/OSM/blindmap.html > > Hobby cartographers without visual impairment can

Re: [OSM-talk] Posters for Mapping Party

2009-10-08 Thread John Smith
A lot of these files end up in http://svn.openstreetmap.org On 08/10/2009 4:29 PM, "Sajjad Anwar" wrote: Hey. I have seen a few posters of mapping parties. Does any one share the source files? Thanks. Regards. -- Sajjad Anwar http://geohackers.in http://fsugcalicut.org +91 9995 19 13 12 __

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Dave F. : > Not necessarily more useful, but give a general idea of how the data was > collected, yes. Unfortunately there's more to the accuracy of a GPX > recording than the accuracy of the chip. Such as number of lock on > satellites, weather, & geography The number of sats doesn't ma

Re: [OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Kenneth Gonsalves : > they still cannot compete - we had katipara junction clover leaf flyover on > our > map at least six months before it was completed ;-) I just find it funny that they've upgraded their data well before it's completed :)

[OSM-talk] Google has dual carriage way where it's not built yet

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
Maybe google is feeling a little intimidated by all the announcements of new roads turning up on OSM as soon as construction finishes! In this case they've jumped the gun and show dual carriage way where it's still under construction: http://maps.google.com.au/maps?ll=-26.186039,152.654761&z=18

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-07 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Lester Caine : > Mike Harris wrote: >> Chris >> >> Despite the well-argued views of a minority, I am persuaded by the equally >> well-argued views of the (considerable) majority who favour option (b). >> >> That is not to say that there isn't room for using a bit of common sense! I >> w

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Dave F. : > The more uploaded GPX traces/checks of a route the better. Surely? It would be more useful to know what created the traces also, some units are bound to be better than others and knowing this you would be able to weight the tracks rather than treat them all as equal. ___

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 DavidD : > 2009/10/6 John Smith : > >> Yes and keep it to yourself, don't bother telling anyone else since >> they really want to waste their time finding out there is no name,a >> after the 10th person does this I'm sure someone has a right to be >

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Gervase Markham : > On 06/10/09 05:37, John Smith wrote: >> It sounds like he made it to see which roads needed surveying to >> acquire their name, however I'm still confused why people use >> noname=yes when the street does have a name but not a street sign, a

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Gervase Markham : > On 06/10/09 16:49, Jonathan Bennett wrote: >> It's useful *as a guide*, or a tool. What some people seem to be unable >> to grasp is that *it's OK for a road to appear in red on NoNames*. You >> don't have to eliminate them completely. It's just a guide, not a gospel.

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Anthony : > On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:21 AM, John Smith > wrote: >> >> 2009/10/7 Anthony : >> > Most sidewalks pretty much meet that criterion, and roads sort of meet >> > it >> > (not at intersections, though). >> >> There is a

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/7 Anthony : > Most sidewalks pretty much meet that criterion, and roads sort of meet it > (not at intersections, though). There is a landuse area around roads that isn't part of surrounding property boundaries. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstr

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 David Earl : > On 06/10/2009 14:09, John Smith wrote: >> >> Some people are marking the landuse hard up against roads, but this >> isn't correct since the property boundary never touches any roads, at >> least none that I'm aware of, and foot paths

Re: [OSM-talk] Landuse areas etc. abutting highways

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 James Livingston : > On 05/10/2009, at 8:18 PM, Marc Schütz wrote: >> IMO (a) is the correct way to do this. >  ... >> For a road, we can either choose to map it as a linear object (this >> is the common case), or we can map its geometry more exactly by >> using an area. In both cases, ho

Re: [OSM-talk] osm funny poster

2009-10-06 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Valent Turkovic : > On Tue, 06 Oct 2009 07:52:40 +, Valent Turkovic wrote: > >> Great and funny poster, I love it. > > Also it would be great to setup a "Promote OSM" wiki page with different > posters, flyers and similar accessories that other OSM mappers could use > for mapping part

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-05 Thread John Smith
2009/10/6 Gervase Markham : > On 05/10/09 11:04, Dave Stubbs wrote: >> As the person whose first came up with a no-names map for London >> (well, actually it was a named map of London, turned into a nonames >> map on SteveC's suggestion), I have an *official leadership >> announcement* to make: >>

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-04 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Russ Nelson : > But if noname roads are rendered as such, then when you're looking for > that street, you would expect to see a street without street signs. If there is no street sign that doesn't mean the street has no name, it just means you need another source for your data, like the

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Dermot McNally : > 2009/10/4 John Smith : > >> If it is a genuine concern about being abused for making mistakes the >> people abusing people should be dealt with there is no reason for it, > > I'm not sure if you followed the original incident. Thi

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Anthony : > Is there any simple way (i.e. not involving setting up your own Mapnik > server) to test Mapnik rendering locally, without polluting OSM, and perhaps > more importantly, without waiting an hour or more to see your update. I thought the dev system was setup to do this, but it

Re: [OSM-talk] RR8 - Possible International Vandal (assistance required in various countries)

2009-10-04 Thread John Smith
2009/10/5 Jennifer Campbell : > Just a further heads up that this user appears to have posted to SABRE > asking for a way to edit OSM privately. Any suggestions I should pass on > to him? It should keep him from vandalising live data if it was possible. > > http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/forum/viewt

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Matt Amos : > no one is advocating for error. you seem to be advocating for a tag > with the sole purpose of not rendering something in a single renderer. > to me, that seems wrong. I use a similar feature in JOSM to show me unnamed streets to know which ones still need to be named, I th

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Russ Nelson : > The OSM community is hostile to leadership even when that leadership > merely renders advice.  Frederick's advice to create a committee to I think the problem here isn't the OSM community, but a vocal minority that don't want anything but the status quo, and while techniq

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Roy Wallace : > Do you realise that the only alternative to voluntary adoption is > enforcement? Do you really want to force your idea on others even if > they "think their idea is better"? /No thanks/. That isn't the only alternative, you always have carrots not just sticks. The carrot

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Konrad Skeri : > boolean values are allowed. Instead of bridge=jomenvisst we should use > bridge=yes, and instead of electrified=naltaseotroligt we should use Bridge isn't listed as boolean only, you can also have bridge=viaduct which I've used a few times. Other values listed on the ma

Re: [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/4 Dave Hansen : > Is this the most up to date way of keeping addresses? > >         > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/House_numbers/Karlsruhe_Schema > > Well, I have some perl code that will parse the 2007/2008 TIGER data > files.  My goal is to get the addresses import

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Dave F. : > John Smith wrote: >> The third is generally the best option in practise most of the time, >> it should comprise of no more than 10 people, preferably 5 since the >> more people involved the less people are going to come to a consensus. >> >&g

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Peteris Krisjanis : > Actually more important question - why people which love mapping (and > I guess we all do, otherwise we wouldn't be here), are discussing such > simple things as BOOLEAN values in a midday of the Saturday? (ok, for > others it is probably very very early morning). I

Re: [OSM-talk] [tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - boolean values

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 James Livingston : > On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, Konrad Skeri wrote: >> Time to end this debate >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/boolean_values > > > Oh, and this: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/VotingOnTheWikiIsStupid Not that I'm disag

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 James Livingston : > On 03/10/2009, at 5:02 PM, John Smith wrote: >> This was not only highly frustrating but demoralising and as a result >> I've not been bothered tagging any more school zones because I don't >> see a point until there is a "One Tru

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-03 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham : > Two reasons off the top of my head: because we don't want to spend ages > developing consistent tag sets and putting them on the wiki only to have > someone else mess around with them. And because we'd like to get some > sort of consensus before starting off on what wi

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham : > My view is not that we should have one committee, but that groups of > people with particular expertise should come together to develop the tag > sets for particular areas (e.g. canals, mountain biking), those should I was starting small, I thought if we could at leas

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 John Smith : > 2009/10/3 Apollinaris Schoell : >> >> On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:06 , John Smith wrote: >> >>> You do if you want a consistent data set. >> >> And what if I don't want? >> There are 1000s of mappers and not everyone thinks li

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Apollinaris Schoell : > > On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:06 , John Smith wrote: > >> You do if you want a consistent data set. > > And what if I don't want? > There are 1000s of mappers and not everyone thinks like you and agrees with > you. If you can't acc

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Jeremy Adams : > I'm just a regular old mapper, but it's my humble opinion that the data in > the database must be consistent across the whole database.  If different > regions want to use the map for different purposes, display different tags, > etc then they can apply their localization

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Elizabeth Dodd : > I'm not in favour of a fork - I'm in favour of a consistent schema. > There are significant regional differences and no means yet to deal with those > within the multiple flavours of English spoken throughout the world. Spanish > speakers will have similar troubles adap

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Roy Wallace : > I think we are quite capable of (voluntarily) collaboration across > country borders without needing an authority figure to enforce it. You do if you want a consistent data set. > Frederik's point is valid - if you want a tagging committee/working > group/whatever, start

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/3 Gervase Markham : > On 01/10/09 04:26, John Smith wrote: >> I still like Shaun's idea of a committee > > We really, really need a committee to decide what values we are going to > standardize for binary true and false? No we need a committee to decide upon a

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Jonathan Bennett : > Markus Lindholm wrote: >> Isn't it time that the governing board establishes a tagging council >> of some sort > > See > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_bureaucracy > for what Another Plaice thinks of that idea. Slightl

Re: [OSM-talk] Mobile countryside surveying tool

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Nick Whitelegg : > In this case though you'd have to use hand written notes, or memory, > anyway, which removes the need for the application really. Erm wouldn't notes get soggy and become less than useful also? > It doesn't rain that often anyhow, not in my part of the UK anyway: at a

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Andy Allan : > I think you're on the wrong mailing list - this is the openstreetmap > mailing list and that's not how we will ever do things. I thought this was anything goes, why are you dictating something can't be done? ___ talk mailing lis

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-02 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Andy Allan : > Entirely depends on how useful your messages are, it's not a fixed > limit. You'll know when you've gone well over when you are repeatedly > called out on the mailing list, blog posts, parody pictures, twitter, > IRC and direct emails all on the subject of you not knowing

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Andy Allan : > Then the people who are mailing more than their fair share of posts > will be asked to post less often. Hopefully they will realise that > every time they post to the list it's delivered to 1,000s of others > and they should keep their contributions under control. What exa

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) : > So I agree with Matt. To me its not the tags that need controls it’s the > process by which we select them. Mostly I guess tags (as the originator of > Map Features I can remember most of the basics and have a good idea, my > personal idea, of how to b

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Andy Robinson (blackadder-lists) : > John Smith wrote: >>Sent: 01 October 2009 3:23 PM >>To: Frederik Ramm >>Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org >>Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide >> >>2009/10/2 Frederik Ramm : >> >>> The idea be

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/2 Frederik Ramm : > The idea behind that (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that anyone makes > their own decisions (just like now) and in cases where people think they > have a good definition they put this on some kind of special wiki page > or database or whatever ("tags I use, and how I

Re: [OSM-talk] Please

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
There is one small problem with this suggestion, if most new users are invited to join this and other lists and the number of users are increasing at an exponential rate the number of messages will go up at an equal or greater rate, then what? ___ talk m

Re: [OSM-talk] SteveC should decide

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Pieren : > 3. a bot is setup to replace regularly all values "true" or "1" by > "yes" and "false" or "0" by "no" (and nothing else). Wouldn't that waste CPU cycles and bloat the change files for almost no benefit? Wouldn't it be better if editors automated this before uploading? ___

Re: [OSM-talk] nginx and mod_tile

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Stefan de Konink : > I think it was on this list before; May have been before I joined... > vserver!20!document_root = /var/www/tile.openstreetmap.nl/htdocs > vserver!20!error_handler = error_redir > vserver!20!error_handler!404!show = 0 > vserver!20!error_handler!404!url = /live/render

Re: [OSM-talk] nginx and mod_tile

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Stefan de Konink : > NL is running on Cherokee, we have a 404 script that communicates with > renderd. I guess this can be used by lighttpd and nginx too. URL? I tried to code something similar like this in php before but didn't get very far at the time, can your script be run as a fast

Re: [OSM-talk] Google Wants to Map Indoors, Too

2009-10-01 Thread John Smith
2009/10/1 Alice Kaerast : > > Hang on, it's October 1st not April 1st!  In all seriousness though they > won't be giving you their floorplans because it's a terrorist risk > rather than the fact they're giving Google exclusive access. The slashdot subject was misleading, Google isn't getting them

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