: vrijdag 11 februari 2011 10:04
Aan: Toby Murray; talk@openstreetmap.org
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage
Toby Murray wrote:
Does anyone think more discussion is going to yield anything useful?
It is obvious that Anthony is unwilling to accept a nearly universally
held community
On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 09:12 -0500, Mike N wrote:
On 2/10/2011 9:01 AM, Anthony wrote:
Tracing aerials does not involve copying data.
Tracing from Google's imagery not only violates their terms of usage,
their spokespeople say that it's explicitly not allowed. There's
nothing to
Toby Murray wrote:
Does anyone think more discussion is going to yield anything useful?
It is obvious that Anthony is unwilling to accept a nearly universally
held community consensus. I initially thought that the wholesale
nuking of all his contributions was a little drastic. But his
continued
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Maarten Deen md...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Nope, that doesn't really help. Anthony posted a message out of the blue
with a before and after picture and later stated that The board voted to
delete my contributions, and this is the before and after.
Later someone (who
My guess would be that, rather than using a database rollback to reverse the
edits, someone tried to undo them manually by deleting every object he has
touched.
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Subject :[OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license changeis
going to do to the map)
On 10/02/11 14:03, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote:
My guess would be that, rather than using a database rollback to reverse the
edits, someone tried to undo them manually by deleting every object he has
touched.
A database rollback would be a bit drastic - it would remove every edit
made by
On 10 February 2011 14:01, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Which, by the way, I denied. Tracing aerials does not involve copying data.
Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't. Since I began mapping on OSM
(which was a while ago) the considered opinion of the project was
Don't trace Google imagery.
OK then. It sounds like we need a more sophisticated undo script that can
query the database and find out the full list of actions that the user had done
during a certain time-frame, so as to make sure to undo all of them.
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On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:15 AM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 10 February 2011 14:01, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Which, by the way, I denied. Tracing aerials does not involve copying data.
Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't.
It definitely doesn't. There's no maybe about
The position of objects is certainly part of the data belonging to those
objects, and tracing of aerial objects is done in order to determine their
position. So, you are copying the positional data from the serial images.
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Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral
Regardless of what you believe, Google have said that they don't want
their imagery traced into OSM and OSM have said that they don't want
Google derived data in the database.
You polluted the database with data nobody wants and now have been
trolling the mailing lists ever since. That doesn't
Hi
Am 10.02.2011, 15:24 Uhr, schrieb Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Which, by the way, I denied. Tracing aerials does not involve copying data.
Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't.
It definitely doesn't. There's no maybe about it.
Since you are no judge I dare to object.
However: OSM data
On 10 February 2011 14:24, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
It definitely doesn't. There's no maybe about it.
You seem to have missed my substantive point, so let me restate it:
You deliberately did something we as a community have chosen not to
do. You willfully put the work of others in
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net wrote:
Hi
Am 10.02.2011, 15:24 Uhr, schrieb Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Which, by the way, I denied. Tracing aerials does not involve copying
data.
Maybe it does and maybe it doesn't.
It definitely doesn't. There's no
Anthony wrote:
I thought I understood the policy. To cover your ass so Google can't
say you're encouraging people to break the TOS. But I've been told
that isn't it at all, and that you actually don't want people to trace
from Google.
Honesty - try it some day, it works !
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:36:53 +0100
Kay Drangmeister k...@drangmeister.net wrote:
However: OSM data integrity is at stake, and you are endangering it,
willfully and knowingly. While you seem to understand the reasoning
behind the OSM contribution policy, you fail to obey it.
You are
Am 10.02.2011 15:12, schrieb Grant Slater:
Message from Mikel 2 days ago explaining:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-talk/2011-February/001052.html
I believe the user-revert script used is fairly simple and does not
have direct access to the OSM database. The script does attempt
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:59:45 +
Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote:
On 10/02/11 19:37, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:36:53 +0100
Kay Drangmeisterk...@drangmeister.net wrote:
Let's get this completely fair, and remove all the work of others
who have been caught tracing
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Tom Hughes t...@compton.nu wrote:
Where possible only infringing edits will be removed - I'm not sure why you
think we would or should do more than that. In this case the mapper refused
to cooperate with identifying which edits were infringing so we had to
Anthony wrote:
I've repeatedly identified which
edits were infringing - NONE OF THE EDITS WERE INFRINGING.
I'm afraid there seems to be either a misunderstanding between us or a
contradiction on your part. Earlier in this thread you wrote :
I said on a mailing list that I traced from
- Original Message -
From: Anthony o...@inbox.org
To: Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org
Cc: talk@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage (was: What the license
change is going to do to the map)
On Thu, Feb
Either you traced from Google or none of the edits were infringing.
Those two assertions are mutually incompatible.
No they aren't.
Anthony,
they might not be incompatible as far as you are concerned.
But they are incompatible as far as the OSM community is concerned. That is
a fact.
OSM has repeatedly said it does not want contents that are derived
from Google tracing. It's very clear. OSM is not asking you whether you
think you are allowed to trace from Google. It is telling you that as a
community we don't want you to trace from Google.
Yes. And it's telling me
On 11 February 2011 01:11, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Actually, let me correct that. A tiny fraction (less than 0.001%) of
the OSM community has told me that by deleting contributions which
have absolutely nothing to do with my tracing from Google.
What percentage has told you that that
Anthony wrote:
OSM is not asking you whether you think you are allowed to trace
from Google. It is telling you that as a community we don't want
you to trace from Google.
Yes. And it's telling me that by deleting contributions which have
absolutely nothing to do with my tracing from Google.
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote:
Anthony wrote:
OSM is not asking you whether you think you are allowed to trace
from Google. It is telling you that as a community we don't want
you to trace from Google.
Yes. And it's telling me that by deleting
Anthony wrote:
After admitting to tracing from Google imagery, you refused to tell which
objects were involved.
Oh my God. How many times do I have to say this? NO OBJECTS WERE INVOLVED.
I don't understand how you can both admit tracing from Google imagery
and at the same time tell us
Anthony wrote:
After admitting to tracing from Google imagery, you refused to tell which
objects were involved.
Oh my God. How many times do I have to say this? NO OBJECTS WEREINVOLVED.
I don't understand how you can both admit tracing from Google imagery
and at the same time
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:54 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote:
Anthony, when you traced from google imagery, what went into
OSM?
Nothing.
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On 11 February 2011 01:34, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Oh my God. How many times do I have to say this? NO OBJECTS WERE INVOLVED.
By now this is all at risk of getting a little like a soap opera, and
like with soaps, there is a risk that people coming in at the middle
of a storyline will
Does anyone think more discussion is going to yield anything useful?
It is obvious that Anthony is unwilling to accept a nearly universally
held community consensus. I initially thought that the wholesale
nuking of all his contributions was a little drastic. But his
continued anti-community
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 8:54 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote:
Anthony, when you traced from google imagery, what went into
OSM?
Nothing.
So why did you say that you had traced from google imagery in
the first place? (if nothing went into OSM)
nick
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
And yes, if as much of the community agreed that 1+1=3 as agrees that
tracing from google is not desirable, then I would tag lanes=3 on 2
lane roads.
I wouldn't. And I think that pretty much sums this whole mess up.
* Anthony goes on to have in his possession simultaneously tea and
no tea, thereby solving one of the stickier puzzle in the
Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Galaxy text adventure game[1]. Go Anthony!
Was there ever a sequel to that text adventure? It
kind of ended on a cliff-hanger ...
nick
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote:
So why did you say that you had traced from google imagery in
the first place? (if nothing went into OSM)
I think the more interesting question is, if I had demanded that all
my contributions to OSM be removed, would
On 11 February 2011 02:05, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote:
Was there ever a sequel to that text adventure? It
kind of ended on a cliff-hanger ...
Well there was a crucial bit where the protagonist left the planet...
Dermot
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On 11 February 2011 02:09, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
I think the more interesting question is, if I had demanded that all
my contributions to OSM be removed, would they have been removed?
What basis would you have had for such a demand?
Dermot
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Did you make your statement about having traced from Google in order to get all
of your work backed out?
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Subject :Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Re: collateral damage
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Date :Thu Feb 10 20:09:16 America/Chicago 2011
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:01 PM
On 11 February 2011 02:05, nicholas.g.lawre...@tmr.qld.gov.au wrote:
Was there ever a sequel to that text adventure? It
kind of ended on a cliff-hanger ...
Well there was a crucial bit where the protagonist left the planet...
Last bit I remember, the protagonist left the spaceship
to
Damn, I assumed that it was either the 'evil twin' or 'amnesia' plot line.
On Feb 10, 2011, at 8:00 PM, Dermot McNally derm...@gmail.com wrote:
On 11 February 2011 01:34, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
Oh my God. How many times do I have to say this? NO OBJECTS WERE INVOLVED.
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