Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Mills
On Sun, 29 May 2011 20:14:50 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/29/2011 8:09 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: FSM knows the aerial imagery around here is outdated, to put it mildly. Try the NAIP imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Agriculture_Imagery_Program Not bad. The tileservers

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 8:09 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: FSM knows the aerial imagery around here is outdated, to put it mildly. Try the NAIP imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/National_Agriculture_Imagery_Program ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstree

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Mills
On Sun, 29 May 2011 20:00:33 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 5/29/2011 5:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: subtle mass vandalism This is why I ignore Paul. Though I really wonder about this edit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14751094/history Using your standard, there's nothing to won

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 5:16 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: subtle mass vandalism This is why I ignore Paul. Though I really wonder about this edit: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/14751094/history ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://l

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On 05/29/2011 02:00 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Paul Johnson > wrote: >> On 05/29/2011 12:56 PM, Anthony wrote: >>> What do you mean by "global consistency" and why is it desired? >> >> Having some kind of uniformity on a large scale means you wouldn't have >> to learn h

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Mills
On Sun, 29 May 2011 12:09:30 -0700, Paul Johnson wrote: I'm thinking the differences between motorways and trunks are minor. Trunks may have intersections, motorways don't. That's the simple way to state my opinion. It also seemed to be the thrust of most of the discussion on the talk page of

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On 05/29/2011 12:56 PM, Anthony wrote: >> What do you mean by "global consistency" and why is it desired? > > Having some kind of uniformity on a large scale means you wouldn't have > to learn how to read the map again just because you moved o

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On 05/29/2011 12:56 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Paul Johnson > wrote: >> On 05/29/2011 08:37 AM, Anthony wrote: >>> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Welty >>> wrote: >>> Now that I think about it, that's actually an excellent reason why >>> classifications in

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On 05/29/2011 08:37 AM, Anthony wrote: >> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Welty >> wrote: >> Now that I think about it, that's actually an excellent reason why >> classifications in the US should be by state.  Max speeds vary >> si

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Paul Johnson wrote: So how would that bring us closer to having global consistency, since the scope of OSM is worldwide? It is a common misconception that OSM should have globally consistent tagging standards since OSM is a world-wide project. If someone were to really demand that, the

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On 05/29/2011 08:37 AM, Anthony wrote: > On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Welty > wrote: >> in short: a routing engine will probably use classifications where maxspeed >> data is missing, but probably only to derive guesstimates of maxspeed >> values. > > Now that I think about it, that

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On 05/28/2011 06:13 PM, Nathan Mills wrote: > On Sat, 28 May 2011 20:54:07 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > >>> You described your criteria, but did not explain how trunk is more >>> appropriate than primary for a two lane rural highway between two >>> small-to-tiny cities. If you use trunk for th

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On 05/28/2011 12:19 PM, Anthony wrote: > On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Mike N > wrote: >> On 5/28/2011 9:12 AM, Anthony wrote: >>> >>> Trunk has no meaning beyond "color the road the same color as other >>> things that are tagged trunk". >> >> Even color is not defined - some trunks can be t

Re: [Talk-us] Trouble in Google-land?

2011-05-29 Thread Paul Johnson
On 05/21/2011 10:12 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: > Those of you who get off on schadenfreude might be interested in this > thread: http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=4464.0 Right now, Google is showing US 30 in Oregon as "Quebec Provincial Route 366." Good times... signature.asc Descr

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 5/29/11 11:59 AM, Anthony wrote: >> Anyway, why argue about it?  If you have a reason to start >> aggressively collecting data the missing maxspeed data, just do it. > > argue in the sense of a civil discussion of two distinctly different

Re: [Talk-us] Ideas for OSMF US Swag

2011-05-29 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Kai Krueger wrote: Yes I too think a few tweeks to make it more US centric would be good, though, to make sure it attracts people in the US with their "needs". I'm willing to either (a) take suggestions on what should be changed (note that for the English-language flyer we already rotated

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 10:31 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Nathan Edgars II wrote: There are many types of roads that it's not possible to describe. How do you tag an unpaved classified road so the map shows that it's unpaved (this is very common in the third world, but also occurs in extremely rural area

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/29/11 11:59 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Richard Welty wrote: On 5/29/11 11:37 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Welty wrote: in short: a routing engine will probably use classifications where maxspeed data is missing, but probably onl

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 5/29/11 11:37 AM, Anthony wrote: >> >> On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Welty >>  wrote: >>> >>> in short: a routing engine will probably use classifications where >>> maxspeed >>> data is missing, but probably only to derive gue

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/29/11 11:37 AM, Anthony wrote: On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Welty wrote: in short: a routing engine will probably use classifications where maxspeed data is missing, but probably only to derive guesstimates of maxspeed values. Now that I think about it, that's actually an exc

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Anthony
On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > in short: a routing engine will probably use classifications where maxspeed > data is missing, but probably only to derive guesstimates of maxspeed > values. Now that I think about it, that's actually an excellent reason why classifications

[Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Richard Welty
i'm deliberately not quoting or responding here in order to break out of the current, somewhat circular discussion. the trunk classification does two things: 1) it influences rendering engines 2) it influences routing we all are familiar with what impact 1 has, but i think a lot of folks are t

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread John F. Eldredge
Nathan Edgars II wrote: >There are many types of roads that it's not possible to describe. How >do >you tag an unpaved classified road so the map shows that it's unpaved >(this is very common in the third world, but also occurs in extremely >rural areas of the US)? You don't. Use the surface

Re: [Talk-us] Ideas for OSMF US Swag

2011-05-29 Thread Matthias Meisser
Am 29.05.2011 15:49, schrieb Mike Dupont: My idea was to write letters to the editors of all the local newspapers, in each letter we would tell the about the map and invite them to look at the local map of thier area I wrote a script to automate the usage of the press center : http://capwiz.com/

Re: [Talk-us] Ideas for OSMF US Swag

2011-05-29 Thread Mike Dupont
My idea was to write letters to the editors of all the local newspapers, in each letter we would tell the about the map and invite them to look at the local map of thier area I wrote a script to automate the usage of the press center : http://capwiz.com/aauw/dbq/media/ here is the code, you can u

[Talk-us] FYI - user going around changing highway refs just to put in the "-" and "/"

2011-05-29 Thread James Mast
I just happened to notice this guy tonight was going around and editing the "ref" tags on highways in the US just to replace the space and put in the hyphen. (I noticed this when going to load the I-77 NC relation to add in speed limits I saw and wrote down on a recent trip to Charlotte because

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Mills
On Sun, 29 May 2011 03:00:03 -0400, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Perhaps the best way to handle it would be to render a wider line if oneway=yes and not lanes=1 or if oneway=no/unset and lanes=4 or more. Thus divided highways would not need a lane count to be wider, but undivided roads would need to

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: > Would I be correct in stating that tagging an undivided 2 lane (one lane in > each direction) highways would be improper, even if a state calls the > highway a "trunk" for planning purposes? No, you wouldn't. Trunk is the proper classificat

Re: [Talk-us] US highway classification

2011-05-29 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 5/29/2011 2:30 AM, Nathan Mills wrote: I think that trunk is more useful if it's prescriptive, more along the lines of a motorway than primary and below. If we aren't going to do that, we need to come up with another value for highway and get it rendered by default. It's something that map use