[time-nuts] ADEV - my GPSDO vs KS-24361

2014-11-04 Thread Bob Stewart
Here is a plot of the overnight ADEV I just ran comparing my GSPDO to my KS-24361/Z381x.  The red line is the ADEV which seems to cross at 200 and 2000 tau.  The green is the output of my board's TIC in ns.  It measures the phase of my OCXO against the sawtooth-corrected PPS from the LEA-6T.  T

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812...

2014-11-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Arthur, Yes, it's there on mine.  It's hard to think it would be able to control the OCXO without it. Bob From: Arthur Dent To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:29 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361, HP/Symmetricom Z3809A, Z3810A, Z3811A, Z3812... Could

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-06 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I've been using the Satstat program to send commands.  What I don't understand is why the slave will accept commands such as sat elevation angle and not give an error response.  It gives a response of "command complete", but it doesn't change it.  Or is that an indication that both units

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Anthony, What are you feeding your units with for power?  I'm using a couple of 20V PC type bricks on mine.  Have you tried just a plain old terminal program running 9600,8N1 on the right comm port?  Did you click CommPort->Port Open in the SatStat program?  Did yo make sure the SatStat progr

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bill, I think I got my copy here.  I used the bottom one.  I don't know what a 58503 is.  it was hard to find, for some reason.  I'm using XP on an old laptop. http://www.ko4bb.com/manuals/index.php?dir=05%29_GPS_Timing/SatStat Bob From: Bill Riches To: 'Bob Stewart&#x

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-07 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Anthony, I was getting that error, then "communication established", then some rapid fire procession of error messages that I didn't write down, then back to "trying to establish communication".  It's probably something simple like a bad cap, but it was still under warranty, so not my problem

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 GPSDO arrived today several questions

2014-11-08 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I've been using the "cheat" method that Stewart posted.  It's mostly working, but I do see occasional errors.  So, I ordered the following USB to RS-422 adapter.  Now your post makes me worry that there's still going to be a problem.  I'll post results back to the list.  It is a FTDI dev

Re: [time-nuts] Second Units? KS-24361

2014-11-11 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Paul, I saw the phase of the 10MHz signal dip by about 60ns twice today as compared to my homebrew GPSDO.  Given what I know about the design of my unit, it's hard to believe it could follow the path the phase difference took, but I suppose anything's possible.  Bob posted a graph showing the

Re: [time-nuts] lightening protection of a GPSDO system / optical isolated distribution amp

2014-11-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Surround your house with a complete loop of #6 wire with 8-10 ft long ground rods every 10-12 ft (but no less than 6ft), bonded (clamped) to the ground at the service entrance. That's the simple answer.  The somewhat longer answer is in a recent copy of the ARRL Handbook.  Some will argue for sm

Re: [time-nuts] Distribution Amp

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Dave, Speaking only for myself, most of the fun is in the reinventing of the wheel.  I have no real use for a frequency standard, but designing and building my GPSDO has been very rewarding.  Eventually I hope to be able to share it with someone besides Dan, who has been a big help on the ha

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite

2014-11-28 Thread Bob Stewart
For Linux, I worked this up and posted to linuxquestions.org.  I don't guarantee it, but it's been working for the PL-2303 devices for me.  It just creates a link to the "real" driver.  There are probably better ways to do it. File: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-usb.rulesACTION=="add", KERNEL

Re: [time-nuts] LTE-Lite and - S14WI 1x4 GPS splitter

2014-11-29 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi, I suggest that you use a DVM to see which ports are getting power.  Better yet would be to disconnect everything and use an ohm-meter to see which ports are electrically connected.  If you can't satisfy yourself that you know what's what, then contact GPS Source.  They are very good people t

[time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
I've just won a "Symmetricom / Datum PRS45A PRS45-0001K - Single Cesium PRS-45 DS1" on ebay from a guy in the Netherlands.  It's listed as used in good working condition, so ebay should protect me if it's not.  Hopefully he has the training to get it to me. It seems to also be known as a "TImeC

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
ent I have says that it uses redundant external power sources.  I take that to mean that I can safely supply only one side and be fine? Bob From: Poul-Henning Kamp To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 11:15 AM Subject:

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
] PRS-45 Cs Standard Hi Bob, On 12/01/2014 05:54 PM, Bob Stewart wrote: > I've just won a "Symmetricom / Datum PRS45A PRS45-0001K - Single Cesium > PRS-45 DS1" on ebay from a guy in the Netherlands.  It's listed as used in > good working condition, so

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Graham, There was a post, I think by Anthony, that discussed the USB adaptors.  But your pinout looks different than the adapter I got.  You have pin 1 listed as TX (-) whereas on mine pin 1 is TX (+).  Likewise, you list pin 2 as TX(+) where mine is TX (-).  In any case, here is the wiring I

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout

2014-12-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Look at Bob Camp's post.  Yahoo mail made a hash out of my formatting. Bob From: Bob Stewart To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Monday, December 1, 2014 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 RS-422 interface pinout Hi Graham, There was a

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Magnus, It came in today.  Looks good from the outside.  No obviously bad smells, but I can't power it up, as my PSU hasn't come in yet.  There is a paper Datum tag dated 6/2/03 on the outside.  Looking through the vent holes, I can see a Datum Cesium Beam Tube assembly Model Number 7613A/07

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Stewart
at thread. Bob From: Magnus Danielson To: time-nuts@febo.com Cc: mag...@rubidium.se Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard Bob, Do open up and take a look. Do take photos. Do share. :) Bet the bottom plate is a good start. Cheers, Magn

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45 Cs Standard

2014-12-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, It's pretty much clean.  There is a "Datum is now Symmetricom" decal, as well as a Symmetricom decal.  There is a round paper sticker that says "Datum TT&M" with a date and probably someone's initials.  And what looks like a small paper sticker on the back that was removed.  There was al

Re: [time-nuts] Z38XX Ulrichs program question How do you restart the graphs.

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Paul, This puzzled me, too.  Finally, I just deleted the txt file.  Looking at, it, it looks like maybe it's a weekly file.  For example: Z38XXData2014CW50.Txt, seems to mean week 50.  At least that's my guess, since there's also a file Z38XXData2014CW49.Txt that was last modified Sun 07 Dec

[time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Stewart
Well, it's alive, and I even have 10MHz coming from it.  It took about 16 minutes to go to lock.  Is that good, or doesn't matter?  Now I've got to put together a serial cable and see if I can talk to it and find out how it thinks it's doing.  But, this is good! www.evoria.net/AE6RV/PRS-45A/20

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-08 Thread Bob Stewart
power outages.  So, should I put a latching relay in the power stream to keep it off if I lose power?  The budget is now officially busted, and a UPS is not going to happen for awhile.  Santa's sleigh is now officially out of gas. Bob From: Pete Lancashire To: Bob Stewart ;

Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints...

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I can't speak for Dan, but since he hasn't responded, I can speak a bit about the issue.  As you know, my GPSDO uses a constant voltage TIC and the PWM output from a dsPIC33 to perform the DAC function.  During testing we've found that one critical point is that the PWM voltage from the

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bert, Thanks for the comments.  I did learn today that this was a recent pull, so that explains why it came up well.  I hope you'll understand my reluctance to start making adapters and doing direct measurements on the thing.  One of my next steps is to get it to talk to me.  Unfortunately, I

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
dea and prudent.  Besides > while it is reacquiring lock you would probably be busy resetting VCR's and > so forth. > > BillWB6BNQ > > > Bob Stewart wrote: > >  Hi Pete, >> I don't have any way of knowing.  I've asked the seller if he has a copy >>

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive!

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Paul.  It does seem too good to be true, and it certainly came at the right time in my GPSDO development effort. Bob From: paul swed To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A is alive! B

[time-nuts] PRS-45A

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Subject changed, as I inadvertently stole Dan's thread. Hi Bob Camp, You wrote: "Looks perfectly normal to me. Your Cs is sensitive to magnetic field. Have you “zeroed” it out? No of course not, nobody does. (almost nobody …). " What does it mean to "zero out the magnetic field" for a Cs?  Soun

Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints...

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
he thermal noise. Bob From: ed breya To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 3:30 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints... I'd recommend going with what Bob Stewart mentioned, using separate gates as buffers, operated from a better-grade refe

Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A

2014-12-09 Thread Bob Stewart
ed to worry? Bob From: Bob Camp To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Tuesday, December 9, 2014 6:11 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] PRS-45A Hi Somewhere in / on the beast there should be a magnetic field adjustment. You play with it (within reaso

[time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
I've been uncomfortable with this KS since I got it; even having to return the REF-0 unit for comms problems.  Now that I have the PRS45A, I think I've proved that the KS does have a problem.  Has anyone else had something like this plot shows?  Any idea what's causing it?  I'm not seeing anythi

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, These hiccoughs match the ones I was getting comparing the KS to my homegrown GSPDO, so I don't think there's any chance it's the PRS45A.  I was wondering if it might be the antenna.  My homegrown unit uses the same antenna via a GPS Source MS-14 splitter, but the LEA-6T in my homegr

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
n the next input on Channel A and the following input on Channel B.  I don't think it would change anything to arm from the KS. Bob From: Adrian To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [time-n

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Charles, I have what I have.  No, I do not have a 360 degree view of the sky, and that's not likely to change for some time.  I have the southerly 180 degrees from about 20 degrees elevation and up.  I bought this KS as an example reference for my homegrown.  It may be that it's just not up to t

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
The issue for me is that if it couldn't get a good timing solution, why did if fail quietly?  I would expect it to at least go into holdover and turn on an alarm or something.  It was giving me fits at least 4 times a day, so I should have some idea whether using a different port on the splitter

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
rying the attic antenna as a test. Bob From: Bob Camp To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] KS problem Hi Have you dumped the log file from the KS and seen what it says abou

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Well, it just headed south again.  I don't see anything on the status screen, captured below, but that may just be me.  I also captured the normal PPS TI & EFC screen.  (Both from Z38XX.exe)  The EFC screen just looks ugly to me.  You can see where it went south over on the right with the sudden

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Sorry about that.  Hopefully this separates the two links.  I'm going to have to ask John what's causing this. http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/KS.Screen.png break http://evoria.net/AE6RV/KS/KS.Status.png From: Bob Stewart To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measureme

Re: [time-nuts] KS problem

2014-12-10 Thread Bob Stewart
.  I'll give it another test when that happens.  Right now I've got a new board to design with improvements Dan and I have made on the prototype. Thanks for everyone's help and suggestions.  I'll let it alone for awhile. Bob From: Bob Camp To: Bob Stewart ; Discu

Re: [time-nuts] Linear voltage regulator hints... --> WHY?

2014-12-11 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, I hope you don't mind if I throw my two cents in, as this began as a question about my GPSDO project.  We had a thermal drift problem that Dan traced to the PWM to EFC interface and resolved.  The question to the list was whether there was a regulator package that had a built-in refe

[time-nuts] Wenzel Squarer circuits

2014-12-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Charles Steinmetz posted a link to Wenzel Squaring circuits in Li Ang's thread, and I'm particularly interested in the line receiver method.  On the wenzel.com page the line receiver was an SN55182.  In Bert Zauhar's GPS Standard, he used an LTC-1485 for the OCXO input.  Is there something in pa

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent KS-24361 / Z3810A : problem with Z3812A/REF 0 unit power up?

2015-01-04 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Stan, Is there a green LED lit on the board near the power block, or are both red and green very dim or not on at all?  I have a unit with the same symptoms as yours.  Both output voltages are extremely low from the power block.  Unless the green LED is lit or flashing, I'd send it back. Bob

Re: [time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stability.

2015-01-06 Thread Bob Stewart
Does your oscillator have a VRef output?  If so, use that instead of a regulator.  It's cleaner and usually temperature compensated. Bob From: ct1dmk To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 6:40 PM Subject: [time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stabi

Re: [time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stability.

2015-01-07 Thread Bob Stewart
M Subject: Re: [time-nuts] VC-OCXO EFC stability. Hi Bob, That is the issue, it doesn't. (the 2,3 different types I would like to use none of them have it, so I will be making a small pcb with the trimpot and the regulator and some capacitors etc). Luis Cupido. ct1dmk On 1/7/2015 1:09

Re: [time-nuts] TimeSource 2700

2015-02-13 Thread Bob Stewart
John, If that's a TimeCesium device, then the Monitor3.exe program from Symmetricom should work.  I have a copy on my domain at www.evoria.net/PRS45A/Monitor3.zip Bob - AE6RV From: John Fullington To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Friday, February 13, 2015 1:14 PM Subject: [time-nuts] Ti

Re: [time-nuts] Some observations of the BG7T BL GPSDO

2015-03-22 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi John, Doesn't that have a NEO-6M in it rather than a timing receiver? Bob From: John Miles To: 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2015 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Some observations of the BG7T BL GPSDO > > Curious, but I'm wond

Re: [time-nuts] serial parsing program

2015-03-24 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Cash, Have you looked at the sourcecode for the "gpsd" package?  "packet.c" would probably be your starting point.  The gpsd package parses pretty much every gps receiver.  I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for, or if you specifically want something high-level.  Bob From: C

[time-nuts] KS-24361 Power Module Repair

2015-04-10 Thread Bob Stewart
This is just a brief report, not a how-to. I got a KS_24361 with a bad Lucent power module.  Having nothing to lose I thought I'd see if it came apart.  After unsoldering it from the motherboard, I found the usual potting compound.  Fortunately, the compound was only loosely attached to the boa

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 Power Module Repair

2015-04-14 Thread Bob Stewart
OK, that explains your comment.  This is most likely a silicone based potting compound.  It's a bit softer than an eraser when cold.  Very little of it was actually stuck to the board or components.  If it had been a hard, epoxy-based covering, I wouldn't have bothered with it. Bob From:

[time-nuts] Some UT+ receivers available

2015-04-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Art Sepin of Synergy Sys gifted me with a big pile of timing related junk for Christmas, and out of the pile, I have around 20 UT+ receivers that seem to work properly.  So, I'd like to offer them to time-nuts who are in need of one.  Most have the right angle MCX antenna connector, but some of

[time-nuts] UT+ receivers are all spoken for

2015-04-29 Thread Bob Stewart
My internet has been down all day, and now that it's back up, I see a bunch of requests for receivers.  They're all spoken for now, and in fact maybe a bit over-subscribed.  I'll contact each of you individually who responded offline. Bob ___ time-nuts

[time-nuts] New 5370A

2015-05-13 Thread Bob Stewart
I got a new 5370A, so of course I've been running a bunch of tests on it.  In the image linked below, the start channel is my PRS-45A, the stop channel is my GPSDOe ("e" is for engine) and the ARM channel is fed by the PPS from my SSR-6Tru.  As you can see in the notes, the test parameters are a

Re: [time-nuts] New 5370A

2015-05-14 Thread Bob Stewart
warm up my spare 34310-T and see what happens when using that as the reference. Bob From: Bob Camp To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 6:06 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New 5370A Hi One of the (many) nice thing(s) about

[time-nuts] TimeLab and Wine: was Re: New 5370A

2015-05-14 Thread Bob Stewart
surement Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] New 5370A Bob Stewart wrote: > ... And kudos to John for Timelab.  It doesn't play well with Wine in Linux, > but > that's not terribly surprising, all things considered. Really?  How so? Wine te

Re: [time-nuts] New 5370A

2015-05-14 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, On 05/14/2015 05:11 AM, Bob Stewart wrote: > I got a new 5370A, so of course I've been running a bunch of tests on it.  In > the image linked below, the start channel is my PRS-45A, the stop channel is > my GPSDOe ("e" is for engine) and the ARM channel is fed b

[time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-16 Thread Bob Stewart
I did some idle searching trying to see if there was a relationship between terrestrial tides and timing receivers. I couldn't find anything useful, but I did discover that the Jersey Village area, about 2 miles northeast of me, is sinking about 2 inches a year.  So, my question is what effect d

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom said: "The nice thing about GPS, unlike other time transfer methods, is that can handle the case of a moving antenna. As the antenna moves so does the time. This is why GPS timing receivers work (almost as well) on top of your car as on top of your house." I don't get that.  What's the purpo

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, How is this achieved?  Is there a coupled dead-reckoning system that updates the timing location, or something else? Bob From: Bob Camp To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-25 Thread Bob Stewart
0-D and then a day in 3-D and see what difference there is in RMS timing residuals (or in ADEV). I wonder if your GPSDO can even measure the difference. /tvb - Original Message - From: "Bob Stewart" To: "Discussion of Precise Time and Frequency Measurement" Sent: M

Re: [time-nuts] Terrestrial Tides and Land Movement

2015-05-26 Thread Bob Stewart
7;t have the antenna located in a position suitable for precision timing.  The power of the HOA is not to be trifled with.  That, and the sky is full of power lines and other junk around here. Bob From: Bob Camp To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent:

[time-nuts] Trimble 65256 OCXO info?

2015-06-08 Thread Bob Stewart
Does anyone have any information about the Trimble 65256 OCXO?  I bought one recently and hooked it up to 12V per the vendor.  (Yeah, I know.)  Although it worked, it set off such a stench: the usual electronics burning up, give you a sore throat smell.  So, I got a replacement and same thing. 

[time-nuts] Controlling the 5370A via GPIB

2015-07-06 Thread Bob Stewart
I need to capture the time between the PPS and the OCXO on my GPSDO to fine-tune my calibration curve.  I'm having good luck doing this with my 5335A, which of course, has less resolution than my 5370A.  But, when I setup the 5370A with what I think is the right setup, every 6th or 7th value is

[time-nuts] Number of GPS sats in the sky?

2015-07-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Is there a practical limit to the number of GPS sats overhead at any one time? I ask this because I'd like to start parsing this info from my ublox receiver and need to setup an array for the values.  Memory is not unlimited on my PIC. Bob - AE6RV ___

Re: [time-nuts] Number of GPS sats in the sky?

2015-07-09 Thread Bob Stewart
Thanks Chris and everyone else who responded.  I just didn't know what to look for.  The full 36 shouldn't take up all that much memory. Bob From: Chris Hoffman To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2015 5:48 PM S

[time-nuts] Ublox LEA-6T CFG-PRT command question

2015-07-16 Thread Bob Stewart
I want to change the UART1 port speed on my LEA-6T via message string from my GPSDO board.  I had assumed that I would have to discover (or know) the baud rate already set on the LEA-6T in order to change it.  But it appears that the LEA-6T can receive messages at any baud rate, but you need to

[time-nuts] GPSDO question

2015-07-26 Thread Bob Stewart
Speaking with Tom recently impressed on me just how much I don't know about what's "normal" for a GPSDO.  The options on the LEA-6T are formidable and have consequences for my GPSDO.  The question I'm struggling with now is what's normal during the survey process?  The only example of a commerci

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Poul, "0)  Make sure that the counter does not get its reference frequency     from any of the input signals." Does your rule 0 hold if one of the input signals is a Cs standard?  I believe I've posted in the past that the ADEV from 1 tau to 100 tau is a bit noisy if I use the internal 10811 t

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Poul, Here's an example of what I'm talking about.  See description and notes.  The blue trace is the one using the clock in the 5370A.  The other tests match pretty closely down to around 60s or so. http://evoria.net/AE6RV/5370A/Test1.png Bob From: Poul-Henning Kamp To: B

Re: [time-nuts] Data Collection for Allan Deviation

2015-08-01 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I believe that the approach I used in the example plot I linked in the other post was PPS to ext/arm, GPSDO 10MHz to start, Cs 10MHz to stop.  So, is this a methodology issue, then? Bob From: Bob Camp To: Bob Stewart ; Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement

Re: [time-nuts] I've designed a GPSDO, but how "good" is it?

2015-08-16 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Nick, In fact, if no-one else has volunteered, contact me offline and I'll run a test for you on my equipment, which is an HP5370A and a Symmetricom PRS-45A Cesium standard.  bob at evoria dot net From: Tom Van Baak To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Su

[time-nuts] U-Center issue vs LEA-6T

2015-08-18 Thread Bob Stewart
I've been doing some tests on my GPSDO with the LEA-6T location deliberately set somewhere far away.  I had U-Center V8.17 running and connected to the receiver.  During some of those tests, the CFG-TMODE mode switched from Fixed Mode to Disabled without any commands from me.  As a result, the r

Re: [time-nuts] KS-24361 REF-0 standalone

2015-10-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Synergy GPS makes an SSR-6Tr board that speaks Motorola binary and would probably work in the KS-24361.  It's on an M12+ sized board, so you'd also need their adapter board to fit it in.  Their SSR-M8T board would probably do the same thing but using an LEA-M8T receiver.  I believe they're selli

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent RTFG-u DE-9 connectors

2015-10-08 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Alex, It's called a slidelock.  Here's the link I posted last time this came up.  Look at the bottom right. http://www.mouser.com/catalogviewer/default.aspx?page=1605&highlight=706-160X10689X&catalogculture=en-US&catalog=647 Bob From: Alexander Huemer To: time-nuts@febo.com Sent: Thu

Re: [time-nuts] Looking for Datum/Symmetricom MONITOR.EXE software

2015-10-29 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Skip, You might try contacting Symmetricom directly.  That's how I got my copy of monitor3.exe for my PRS-45A.  You can change the baudrate etc on monitor3.exe. Bob From: Skip Withrow To: time-nuts Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 9:18 AM Subject: [time-nuts] Looking for Datum/Sy

Re: [time-nuts] Beginners GPS locked frequency counter question

2015-10-31 Thread Bob Stewart
Tom, It's been awhile since I did soundcard SSTV, but the program MMSSTV uses the time ticks from WWV to do a calculation similar to what you describe.  You tune in WWV on your receiver, which is coupled to your computer's soundcard.  The MMSSTV calibration routine puts a raster scan on the scre

Re: [time-nuts] Time syncing WiFi routers using FM radio

2015-11-11 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Mark, What's the inherent problem with the idea?  In the early days of radio, they used commercial radio transmissions as an encryption mechanism, so there is some history of using commercial radio as a reference source.  Is it simply a matter of different propagation delays and multi-path is

Re: [time-nuts] Einstein Special on PBS

2015-11-27 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Mike, I'm far from an expert on this, but what you're missing is that time and space isn't the same between any two points that are located in different gravity gradients and/or moving at different relative velocities.  The hyperfine transitions are happening at the same local rate whether th

Re: [time-nuts] Einstein Special on PBS

2015-11-27 Thread Bob Stewart
ts of spaghettification, or course.)  But generations of people back on earth would live and die for each tick of your watch. Bob From: Mike Feher To: 'Bob Stewart' ; 'Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement' Sent: Friday, November 27, 2015 12:10 PM

Re: [time-nuts] Einstein Special on PBS

2015-11-27 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi John, I hadn't run into this idea before, and I like it.  But I have a problem with the statement:.  "If you move through space at 100,000,000 meters per second in space, then your velocity in the t direction is 283,000,000 meters per second (because sqrt(100E6^2 + 283E6^2) = 300E6.)"  The pr

Re: [time-nuts] GPS down converter question

2015-12-02 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Paul, For what it's worth, I've been using a Chinese rework station labeled 852D+ from ebay.  It's not that expensive, and does a pretty good job.  The only complaint I have about it is that it pushes just a bit too much air at the lowest setting.  Oh, and the nozzles take a bit of time to ch

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD - analog multiplier vs. diode mixer ?

2016-01-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bruce, Thanks a LOT for your response to Poul's query!  I've been searching for DMTD info for a few some time now, and I haven't come up with a lot.  Searching for "CERN White Rabbit" got me more in a few minutes than I've found in months.  Like Poul, I've become interested in building a DMTD

Re: [time-nuts] Generating a solid PPS from 10Mhz source

2016-01-20 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Poul, Your comment about on-chip PLLs got me to wondering about the dsPIC33FJ128MC804 I'm using in my GPSDO. So, I put it on the 5370A to see what's up. Input to the gate port is the drive signal for an LED that I flash at 1PPS (controlled by an on-chip timer). I delay that with a 10ft pi

[time-nuts] OCXO Retrace

2016-02-10 Thread Bob Stewart
I've been running up a number of OCXOs lately, all Trimble 34310-T. For most of them, the DAC moves in the negative direction after lock. But there are a few where the DAC moves more positive. Is this an indication of a different cut of crystal, or is retrace direction more or less random? B

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Retrace

2016-02-10 Thread Bob Stewart
k, as I've built only a limited number of these units. The normal situation is to retrace downward from the start, once initial warmup is over. Bob On Wed, 2/10/16, Tim Shoppa wrote: Subject: Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Retrace To: "Bob Stewa

Re: [time-nuts] OCXO Retrace

2016-02-10 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, I'll see if I can figure out which of these is retracing the "wrong" way and put it in a unit. I'll let it cook for a couple of days and then post a plot. Like I said, these are all Trimble 34310-T, though I know that there were at least two manufacturers for that part number. Th

Re: [time-nuts] LIGO detects gravitational waves

2016-02-13 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Tom, Thanks for posting this. I'm looking at the timelab plot, and the only thing I can relate that to is a musical note played backward. IOW, the decay seems backwards to me. Bob - AE6RV On Sat, 2/13/16, Tom Van Baak wrote: Subject: Re: [ti

Re: [time-nuts] MTI 260-0624-D OCXO

2016-02-16 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, I've had essentially the same experience with a batch of 34310-Ts that I got from China. Some are very good, most are good enough, some work but are useless for anything serious. I haven't gone through enough of them to get any feel for the waste rate. Hopefully it won't be more than

[time-nuts] 10MHz to PPS

2016-02-21 Thread Bob Stewart
Has anyone coded a PICDiv type of solution into a dsPIC33F chip using a 32-bit Type B timer? I've been doing some experimentation over the past few days, and I've had a few latency issues when using the internal clock, which is PLL linked to the 10MHz external clock input. The problem shows up

[time-nuts] 5370A clock buffer board jitter/noise?

2016-03-22 Thread Bob Stewart
I started getting noise spikes of up to 500ps on my 5370 the other day. When I switch to external clock and use the PRS-45A, the noise goes away. In fact, the noise issue is way better than with the 10811. I swapped in a different 10811, and the noise doesn't seem to have returned, but it was

Re: [time-nuts] 5370A clock buffer board jitter/noise?

2016-03-23 Thread Bob Stewart
hat is at least one thing to test. Cheers, Magnus On 03/23/2016 04:37 AM, Bob Stewart wrote: > I started getting noise spikes of up to 500ps on my 5370 the other day.  When I switch to external clock and use the PRS-45A, the noise goes away.  In fact, the noise issue is way be

Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Specifications

2016-03-24 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Bob, Could you use a gate instead of an amp? Bob On Thu, 3/24/16, Bob Camp wrote: Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Spectrum Analyzer Specifications To: "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Date: Thursday, March 24, 2016, 5:48 PM H

Re: [time-nuts] A new member & PN test set

2016-03-28 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Oleg, I'm interested in your PN test set. I'm sure a number of us are. If you have webpages or documents up, could you share them with the list? Otherwise, could you email me direct?bob at evoria dot net Bob On Sun, 3/27/16, Oleg Skydan wr

Re: [time-nuts] Advise on building a DIY GPSDO?

2016-04-04 Thread Bob Stewart
As a victim of the "I'm gonna build a GPSDO" virus, I think the cautions are well worth mentioning. Building a decent GPSDO sounds like such a simple thing, but it slowly turns into a rabbit hole as you discover you need ever better test equipment, and a microscope, and hot air rework station,

Re: [time-nuts] GFS-6A - was: Advise on building a DIY GPSDO?

2016-04-05 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Charles, I've changed the subject line, so I hope this isn't perceived as a thread-jack. It's always dangerous to post anything substantive to this list, but I think it's about time. Here's a timelab file of my GPSDO, which I've been working on for quite some time with help from Dan K and o

[time-nuts] LEA-M8T

2016-04-06 Thread Bob Stewart
I recently bought a number of LEA-M8T receivers and I have to say that I am unimpressed, so far. They don't survey to the same reported accuracy as the LEA-6T in the same amount of time. They certainly aren't better in the jitter after sawtooth correction. So, have I managed to overlook some

Re: [time-nuts] LEA-M8T

2016-04-06 Thread Bob Stewart
l the many, many data structures. Bob On Wed, 4/6/16, Logan Cummings wrote: Subject: Re: [time-nuts] LEA-M8T To: "Bob Stewart" , "Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement" Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2016, 8:18 PM

Re: [time-nuts] Cheap LEA-6T [was: Re: Precise Time transfer and relative position over ashort baseline]

2016-04-12 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Attila, The two versions of the -6T I have experience with - LEA-6T-0-001 and LEA-6T-1-000 - have both had a single shield. So, that implies that these are at least 2 steps older than what's out now. The price? They must be getting them at or near single digits USD. Bob -

[time-nuts] Lea-6T Math error?

2016-04-14 Thread Bob Stewart
I hope I haven't posted about this before, but it's something that's bugged me for awhile. When I run a survey-in on an LEA-6T, the CFG-TMODE2->fixedPosAcc value seems to be wrong. For instance, I ran a survey today and told it to run for 32,400 seconds and reach at least 350mm accuracy. When

Re: [time-nuts] RG6 or LMR400 for GPS Antenna (Symmetricom 58532A and T-bolt)

2016-04-22 Thread Bob Stewart
Hi Ryan, For the few years I've been on time-nuts, I understood the consensus view to be to get a good quality RG-6QS satellite cable. A few of the posts in this thread have made me wonder if the consensus is changing, or if it's just too much trouble to stand up to the crowd. I've got about

Re: [time-nuts] RG6 or LMR400 for GPS Antenna (Symmetricom 58532A and T-bolt)

2016-04-22 Thread Bob Stewart
d Scope, assuming the propagation delay is what the spec sheet claims to be (most RG6 seems to be right around 80%) (the home depot stuff seems to be 79%). > > -Ryan Stasel > >> On Apr 22, 2016, at 14:38 , Bob Stewart wrote: >> >> Hi Ryan, >> >

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