Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-12 Thread kolson
It's easy to appreciate why many people - who are passionate about the hobby - get upset about some of the things they see as being very negative to the hobby. Here in Britain there were LOTS of well-respected Amateurs who were actively involved in Jamming the VHF Repeaters when they first came o

Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread DXer
>>>Those are exactly those deaf sdrs I mentioned, just useless. This does not make any sense at all!!! If the receiver is deaf, like 'door knob' deaf, fair enough, but it wouldn't be online. Well, you never know, hams are a 'funny' bunch after all. They would put a 'deaf' receiver online, and

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread uy0zg
- From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+dj7ww=t-online...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of uy0zg Sent: Samstag, 11. Januar 2020 22:49 To: peter.voel...@t-online.de Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc This link can be found on the Internet : https://sdr.hu

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread uy0zg
There are methods. Only desire is needed. This must be done at the official level (ARRL). And in a year or two the order will be restored. --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua Jean-Paul Albert писал 2020-01-12 00:10: Absoluty right Nick. And not only from east and not only on 160. But, how

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
People have been cheating forever and it will never end.  Cheaters need to be dealt with and ignored.  They cheat to get an award they have to pay for.  Cracks me up.  They cheat to win a contest where the prize is a 50 dollar plaque.  I don't compare what I do to others.  My DXCC is mine alone

Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread DXer
This is likely the only thing we agree on on this thread. The unethical use of remote receivers. >>This link can be found on the Internet : https://sdr.hu/ And unfortunately, open to licensed hams only since last week. Talk about facilitating bad pratices! SWLs were shut out, even though they

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Mike Waters
Try websdr.org. They have a large list of web-based SDRs. You simply enter the desired region, frequency, etc. and it'll display a custom, narrowed-down list for you. 73, Mike W0BTU On Sat, Jan 11, 2020, 2:06 PM wrote: > > Which web sdr is used from Eastern Europe? > _ Searchabl

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Jean-Paul Albert via Topband
Absoluty right Nick. And not only from east and not only on 160. But, how to stop it ? 73 Jean-Paul F6FYA en direct depuis son iPad. > Le 11 janv. 2020 à 20:14, uy0zg a écrit : > > Hi All > > FT8 is not a global issue. Two or three years and people will get tired of > this toy .. > >

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread dj7ww
...@t-online.de Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc This link can be found on the Internet : https://sdr.hu/ --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua dj...@t-online.de ? 2020-01-11 23:39: > Of course I understand the topic. > Web sdrs have the

Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Mark
Wow Roger, people jammed repeaters for the autruistic reason of saving amateurs from themselves? Let me give you two other more likely reasons for this and why people belittle FT8 (the first of which you allude to in your email): 1. "I had to do it the hard way, so should you" ; and 2. They were/

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread uy0zg
concerning the sdrs. Please do, if possible with the links to them. 73 Peter -Original Message- From: uy0zg [mailto:uy...@mksat.net] Sent: Samstag, 11. Januar 2020 22:15 To: peter.voel...@t-online.de Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc You Peter did

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Michael Walker
This list has the largest collection of grumpy old farts possible and I say that with some reality and kindness. :) You know who you are. You sit in your shack and do nothing but complain. How many of you GoF's have actually done any mentoring or Elmering. What have you done to protect and bui

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread dj7ww
] Sent: Samstag, 11. Januar 2020 22:15 To: peter.voel...@t-online.de Cc: topband@contesting.com Subject: Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc You Peter did not understand the topic. Participants ( contests on 160 ?) from Eastern Europe use receivers in the USA, Japan and Australia. They feel

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread uy0zg
You Peter did not understand the topic. Participants ( contests on 160 м) from Eastern Europe use receivers in the USA, Japan and Australia. They feel completely unpunished. This is the main problem! --- Nick, UY0ZG http://www.topband.in.ua dj...@t-online.de писал 2020-01-11 22:05: If my

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread dj7ww
If my 160m receive would be as bad as with any web sdr I would not contest on that band. Which web sdr is used from Eastern Europe? 73 Peter -Original Message- From: Topband [mailto:topband-bounces+dj7ww=t-online...@contesting.com] On Behalf Of uy0zg Serious problems for topband are the

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread uy0zg
Hi All FT8 is not a global issue. Two or three years and people will get tired of this toy .. Serious problems for topband are the use of WEB.SDR. Especially in Eastern Europe. The goal of such scammers is the highest places in popular contests at 160 meters. This problem is N1. Unfortunate

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Chortek, Robert L.
y man..could not be >> said better.. >> >> Nermin S58DX >> >> -----Izvorno sporočilo----- From: Roger Kennedy >> Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 3:32 PM >> To: topband@contesting.com >> Subject: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc >> >&g

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Cecil
Well it’s is an all inclusive list for Topband activity...but as you can see it’s pretty selective. Over time hopefully most of the digital mode discussion will migrate to the new list and it will no longer be an irritant here. I’m sure there will be much rejoicing and the list will go dorman

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Just proving my point Peter. You can't stop bashing people.  You are what is wrong with the hobby. Good day. On 1/11/2020 10:27 AM, Peter Sundberg wrote: Skills involved?? Achievements?? You've got to be kidding Mike... Achievements in the WW Digi Contest were so dramatically poor that the c

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread K9FD
Was there not another list started for FT8 on topband?? Why the heck is this stuff still here then?? Roger, If you are so confident that digital is going to fail, why not sit back and let it happen?  I have never figured out why people in the hobby would actively seek to push people out of

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Peter Sundberg
Skills involved?? Achievements?? You've got to be kidding Mike... Achievements in the WW Digi Contest were so dramatically poor that the contest committee had to waive the NIL penalty because otherwise a large number of final scores would have been negative! "The amount of NILs is abnormally

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
Roger, If you are so confident that digital is going to fail, why not sit back and let it happen?  I have never figured out why people in the hobby would actively seek to push people out of the hobby. What I find most interesting is that those trying new things and experimenting never seem to

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Cecil
d not be > said better.. > > Nermin S58DX > > -Izvorno sporočilo- From: Roger Kennedy > Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 3:32 PM > To: topband@contesting.com > Subject: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc > > > It's easy to appreciate why many people - w

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread fortra
Hi Roger, yeah, you are my man..could not be said better.. Nermin S58DX -Izvorno sporočilo- From: Roger Kennedy Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2020 3:32 PM To: topband@contesting.com Subject: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc It's easy to appreciate why many people - who are passi

Re: Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Hans Hjelmström
A absolut PERFECT explanation about the present situation and the future of our loved hobby. Unfortunately most young new Hams I have seen started using FT 8, has already gone qrt. No challenge, no skill. I will NOT discuss this any further. Please consider,and we will see what will happen. Have

Topband: New Modes, Systems, etc

2020-01-11 Thread Roger Kennedy
It's easy to appreciate why many people - who are passionate about the hobby - get upset about some of the things they see as being very negative to the hobby. Here in Britain there were LOTS of well-respected Amateurs who were actively involved in Jamming the VHF Repeaters when they first came