Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 02:03:12 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments David Miller wrote: >> I quoted you exactly as you wrote it John wrote: > The very next sent

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-29 Thread knpraise
   John wrote: > ... Christ took the curse of the Law away > ... If righteousness came by the Law, > then Christ died in vain, David. > ... to be justified by Law is to be fallen from grace. > <...snip...> Enough, Bishop. You are preaching to the choir here. I agree with points like these. Goo

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: >> I quoted you exactly as you wrote it John wrote: > The very next sentence is EXACTLY what I said. John wrote: >> I wrote: Knowing you are right in some esoteric way >> is a fantasy of the first order. David Miller wrote: >> That is exactly how I quoted you John. >> Go ba

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > ... Christ took the curse of the Law away > ... If righteousness came by the Law, > then Christ died in vain, David. > ... to be justified by Law is to be fallen from grace. > <...snip...> Enough, Bishop. You are preaching to the choir here. I agree with points like these. My poi

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread knpraise
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]com>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sun, 29 May 2005 00:43:11 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments Meaningless religious mumbo jumbo Gary; I don't have any such "hermeneutic" in fact

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Judy Taylor
Meaningless religious mumbo jumbo Gary; I don't have any such "hermeneutic" in fact I totally reject the Gk god Hermes along with the dualistic philosophy of Plato that you have accused me of endlessly. If you would follow hard after God and seek Him with your whole heart rather than give Him

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread ttxpress
good question; ftr, tt evidence suggests parallelism betw his hermeneutic and (e.g.) jt's; the/ir bed rock is philosophical while the Bible is evaluated (conformed to) dualistic bias which yields a religious ideology..biblical theology has no priority with them, no native respect given to i

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread knpraise
AIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:42:09 -0600Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments evidence suggests DavidM's into forgery--for what purpose?     On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:41:22 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote:> As such, there is no way of co

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread ttxpress
evidence suggests DavidM's into forgery--for what purpose?     On Sat, 28 May 2005 19:41:22 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John wrote:> As such, there is no way of convicting you of your> complicity apart from your willingness to stop with> the game and cast the beam from your e

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread knpraise
John wrote:> As such, there is no way of convicting you of your> complicity apart from your willingness to stop with> the game and cast the beam from your eye.You misunderstand.  I am not playing any game. Of course you are  -  at my expense  --  but hey, the tickets are free.  David Miller wrote:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread ttxpress
  ..Now there's spiritual warfare and flesh and blood breaking down.Ya either got faith or ya got unbelief and there ain't no neutral ground.The enemy is subtle, how be it we are so deceivedWhen the truth's in our hearts and we still don't believe?..My so-called friends have fallen under a s

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Judy Taylor
  On Sat, 28 May 2005 18:04:47 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:John wrote: You are a legalist, David.   David wrote: Thank you.  Nothing wrong with being a legalist.  God is a legalist too.  Read the Torah and study why Jesus had to die for your sins.   John responds: There can be no argument

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread knpraise
  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]org>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]innglory.orgSent: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:53:28 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments John wrote: > You are a legalist, David. Thank you. Nothing wrong with being a legalist.

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: Word is, Terry, that he's also a gun totin', tabaccee chewin' good ol' boy when off TT. = If he chews, he is probably a ball player,  and you know how THEY are. :-)

RE: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread ShieldsFamily
Rollin Stones Magazine? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Perry Locke Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 12:52 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments Lance, I will not argue with you

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Lance, I will not argue with you on Gary's credentials as you have stated them. But, I have rarely seen a post of his that I have understood. People, in general, don't think and communicate like Gary, so much of the time it sounds to me like he is speaking a foreign language. His style of wr

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Lance Muir
Word is, Terry, that he's also a gun totin', tabaccee chewin' good ol' boy when off TT. - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 28, 2005 14:25 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem ar

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote:  Gary is, at present and IMO, one of the more perceptive, creative, literary, imaginative writers on TT. Others trail far behind. You've never understood him or, what he's doing. I can identify with that last line. Terry

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Lance Muir
 So, dear Judith, is his. I know for a certainty (David, please bookmark this) that there are simply some things that you cannot see. This (he) is one of them. What a loss for you. Keep on truckin' Jt. God's kingdome is richer for having you in it. - Original Message - From:

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Lance Muir
 Gary is, at present and IMO, one of the more perceptive, creative, literary, imaginative writers on TT. Others trail far behind. You've never understood him or, what he's doing. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@m

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Lance Muir
 If you want substantial then, write privately to David and Christine. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 28, 2005 11:29 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments Oh

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Lance Muir
DM says that 'God is a legalist'. For 'those who have ears to hear' ...God is definitely not a legalist. Yes, there is something wrong with being a legalist. : - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: May 28, 2005 10:53 S

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > You are a legalist, David. Thank you. Nothing wrong with being a legalist. God is a legalist too. Read the Torah and study why Jesus had to die for your sins. John wrote: > Well meaning, of course. Thank you. John wrote: > As such, there is no way of convicting you of your > co

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread ttxpress
http://www.mail-archive.com/truthtalk@mail.innglory.org/   On Sat, 28 May 2005 09:57:36 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  TT archive address, anyone?   Jd  

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread ttxpress
 no--tell us about them   thanks, Lance - g   On Sat, 28 May 2005 06:56:05 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Gary:Have you read any of the following: The Tipping Point, Blink (same author) or, Freakonomics?   ||

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread knpraise
 TT archive address, anyone?   Jd

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-28 Thread Lance Muir
] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments   On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:25:37 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>[Gary thinks] people [are] free to speak however they like to speak.   (& he ain't the only one)   ..Across the street they&#

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:12:47 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments John wrote: > That is true -- hopefully you will come to > see your complicity in the problem,

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread ttxpress
   On Fri, 27 May 2005 13:25:37 -0400 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>[Gary thinks] people [are] free to speak however they like to speak.   (& he ain't the only one)   ..Across the street they've nailed the curtainsThey're getting ready for the feastThe Phantom of the OperaA per

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > That is true -- hopefully you will come to > see your complicity in the problem, as well. I have always maintained that I have violated the no ad hominem rule also and that I have to work hard at not doing it. One reason I like to have someone other than myself moderate the list

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
That is true  --  hopefully you will come to  see your complicity in the problem, as well.  -Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 14:07:22 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments John wrot

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > I will refrain from that word in the future. It is not the word, per se. Calling people "pretender" or "hypocrite" is worse, in my opinion. The real problem is turning the subject to being about the person you are discussing an issue with rather than continuing the dialogue. La

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
Original Message-From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 13:25:37 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments John wrote: > So where was the concern when Deegan called > me a liar half a dozen times? Just fo

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > So where was the concern when Deegan called > me a liar half a dozen times? Just for the record, John, I wrote Gary privately about that and his response was asking me to dig up the old posts for him. Then he posted something to TruthTalk that basically said he wanted people to be

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread knpraise
So where was the concern when Deegan called me a liar half a dozen times?    -Original Message-From: Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:24:35 -0400Subject: Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments Is there a moderator in the

Re: [Bulk] [TruthTalk] Ad hominem arguments

2005-05-27 Thread Lance Muir
Is there a moderator in the house? Izzy is a bona fide author. We know that she'd run a tight ship. She'd pare the list down to 2 or 3 in no time at all. How 'bout it Iz?. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: May 27, 2005 11:48 Subject: [Bulk] [TruthTalk