I thought I'd bring the discussion back on topic a little bit. Not too long
before the testing starts. It is now the day of the test and if the Hyperion
performs as claimed, it is the moment society has needed for a long time. We
probably won't get very good results at least for a few days, b
bject: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
I thought I'd bring the discussion back on topic a little bit. Not too long
before the testing starts. It is now the day of the test and if the Hyperion
performs as claimed, it is the moment society has needed for a long time. We
probably won't g
gy, then I hope they sell a billion
Hyperions.
From: Chemical Engineer
To: noone noone
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
If the devices work, I think all options are OK. Apple, Google, Microsoft and
oth
Alain Sepeda
To: noone noone
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
from the data they give :
the H2 pressure is higher (50bars)
no radiofrequency
capacity to work much above 400C (600C,900C)
many catalyst tested
much better control (by pulse modul
is a huge breakthrough that will change the
world.
From: Charly Sistovaris
To: noone noone
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
#1 I doubt it
#2 & #3 the only tragedy is if ecat's a hoax...
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012
The way i see it (thanks to Jed) the first paper about Ni-H goes back to 1979,
and the first Focardi paper about Ni-H was published in 1994.
Now, as far as i know, Defkalion has not sold any Hyperion yet.
But if the tests are conclusive the most important result will be that all
doubts about the
I wonder where the test protocols are... It's by now nearly 16:00 in
Athens, so when do the tests start? The protocols should be published
before the tests begin AFAIK.
The way i see it (thanks to Jed) the first paper about Ni-H goes back
to 1979, and the first Focardi paper about Ni-H was pub
noone noone wrote:
> Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
> property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.)
>
Nonsense. Companies use technology all the time without permission. This
would not be a horrible tragedy; it would be an economic
maybe they change their idea, under the demand of the tester,
to avoid the crazy behavior of fans and pathoskeptics.
also maybe the testers don't wan't to be identified before the test succeed
to avoid looking ridiculous...
cold fusion is really frightening for corp and officials...
I feel like
Hm wouldn't it be better if they would announce such a change?
Now i am sitting here and constantly hitting "F5" on my keyboard with
the opened Defkalion site in front of me ;)
maybe they change their idea, under the demand of the tester,
to avoid the crazy behavior of fans and pathoskeptics.
>From Jed,
> noone noone wrote:
>
>>
>> Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
>> property without permission. (This would be a horrible tragedy.)
> Nonsense.
I agree,
What well-known company has not filed suit against a potential
competitor for daring to ki
It's just b'ness. Leave "tragedy" to the novels.
On Friday, February 24, 2012, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson <
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From Jed,
>
>> noone noone wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his
intellectual
>>> property without permissio
Indeed Jed, I found this somewhat hilarious, that people (e.g. Noone noone) are
accusing Defkalion about IP-theft.
I have previously stated, that current patent legislation is outdated, because
the benefit of IP-rights cannot even remotely offset, the cost of lawyers and
bureaucracy involved i
ssion.
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone wrote:
Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi's technology, using his intellectual
property without permission. (This would be a horrib
, so be it.
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
From Jed,
> noone noone wrote:
>
>>
>> Possibility #2 -- A copy cat of Rossi'
ation. I would also hope he would turn down the nobel prize.
> I hope his mission in life becomes to stop anyone who has used his technology
> without permission.
>
>
>
> From: Jed Rothwell
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 9:53
lliams
To: noone noone
Cc: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
That's not going to happen. Almost everyone who has made a lot of money off of
new technology has stolen it from someone else. If Rossi reall
Jouni Valkonen
Indeed Jed, I found this somewhat hilarious, that people (e.g. Noone noone)
> are accusing Defkalion about IP-theft.
>
I do not think he is accusing them of anything. He is just saying that
hypothetically, if they did steal it (the way Rossi has alleged, that would
be tragic.
I d
noone noone sez:
> If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
> it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion
> dollars from a lawsuit.
>
> The only thing I would accept is for the other company to be
> forced to re-call all their products. Then I would make money
> by
ng in. Sadly, the way the
world is going, individuals are having their rights violated more and more each
day.
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
To: vortex-l
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noon
ll other inventors.
>
> A world without absolute rights is not worth living in. Sadly, the way the
> world is going, individuals are having their rights violated more and more
> each day.
>
> From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
> To: vortex-l
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012
ghts violated more and more
> each day.
>
> ----------
> *From:* OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
> *To:* vortex-l
> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 1:21 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
>
> noone noone sez:
>
> > If I invented a
g, by standing up for not only my rights, and the
>> property rights of all other inventors.
>>
>> A world without absolute rights is not worth living in. Sadly, the way
>> the world is going, individuals are having their rights violated more and
>> more each day.
>>
>> --
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM, noone noone wrote:
> A principled inventor would not accept a penny in damages in exchange for
> the other company to continue selling the products. A principled inventor
> would demand that the other company re-call their products, and be forced to
> STOP SELLING
It's been a slow-news Friday afternoon, so please accept my apologies
for continuing this protracted discussion with noone noone:
The world according to noone noone:
> If I invented a billion dollar technology and someone copied
> it without my permission, I would not accept a trillion
> dollars
"vortex-l@eskimo.com"
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
If everyone was better off, including yourself, you'd still follow your
"values"? I completely disagree with this. All I care about is making
people's lives
e the money for good purposes.
From: David Roberson
To: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
It is fairly clear to me that DGT has a different design than Rossi. You seem
to be over reacting to
bject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM, noone noone wrote:
> A principled inventor would not accept a penny in damages in exchange for
> the other company to continue selling the products. A principled inventor
> would demand that the other company
a need for compromise. But when it comes to rights and
freedoms there is no room for compromise.
From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
To: vortex-l
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
It's been a slow-news Fr
noone noone wrote:
>
> We do not need both companies if one company has stolen intellectual
> property. We do NOT know if this is the case. I am not saying they have
> stolen intellectual property. But if they have, they need to be stopped
> from selling any products that use Rossi's IP (or use I
Jed is right on. There will be plenty of money to go around if this
technology is a go
On Friday, February 24, 2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> noone noone 'thesteornpa...@yahoo.com');>> wrote:
>
>>
>> We do not need both companies if one company has stolen intellectual
>> property. We do NOT know i
hope the reality of things are
not as horrible as you portray.
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone wrote:
We do not need both companies if one company
r not, at least when it comes to the use of
the stolen items.
It is the same exact thing.
From: Chemical Engineer
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com"
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Jed is right on. Ther
.
From: Jarold McWilliams
To: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 6:41 PM
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Can't someone have different values than you? I am all for open marriage. How
am I not a Christian if I favor open marriage?
The greek corner has a post at 3:38 pm
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.defkalion-energy.com%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D4%26t%3D359%26p%3D6607%26sid%3D7ec7ecfb643df0284b6e2919cb1c5c34%23p6607
alfalfa wrote:
Good
m.
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 16:19:26 -0800
From: thesteornpa...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Of course other people can have different values, but it does not mean their
values are the correct ones. There can only be one correct set of values for
noone noone wrote:
> If I did decide to take money (if I thought it was the best way to fight
> against the company using my technology), I would let it be known to the
> courts that any money awarded to me would be instantly used to try and stop
> the activities of the party that stole my techn
ssion is a bit silly and is most likely someone's idea of a
joke.
Dave
-Original Message-
From: noone noone
To: vortex-l
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 7:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
I am not an expert at law, but I would strive to stop someone from selling my
>
> From: Harry Veeder
> To: noone noone
> Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 3:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 1:03 PM, noone noone
> wrote:
>>
>> If I was an inventor who had my
riday, February 24, 2012 4:36 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone wrote:
We do not need both companies if one company has stolen intellectual
property. We do NOT know if this is the case. I am not saying they have
stolen intellectual property
Do you really think that if the U.S. government had the power to forbid
implementation of cold fusion, that they wouldn't realize a cold fusion device
is headed for the market?
From: hoyt.stea...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Date: Fri, 2
om
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 19:25:15 -0700
As I recall, a patent may be denied ( and possibly implementation forbidden )
if it would be substantially disruptive to the US economy ( that seems to imply
that the really great inventions are suppressed :-( ).
r otherwise, I
try to realize that you can't take with you anything when you are dead. You can
only hope that you lived as ethically and morally as possible.
From: David Roberson
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:39 PM
Subject:
]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone wrote:
If I did decide to take money (if I thought it was the best way to fight
against the company using my technology), I would let it be known to the courts
that any money awarded to me would be instantly used to try and stop the
activities of the
e needs to stand up
for himself. By doing so, he will also be standing up for all future inventors.
From: Jed Rothwell
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Test day in Greece time
noone noone wrote:
If I did
I think your reply address isn't configured to point to vortex-l.
> I hope Defkalion's technology is original. It very well may be. But if it
> is not, it is a shame that they did not simply pay Rossi earlier in 2011 so
> they could continue working together. Instead, if 2 or 3 is true, Rossi may
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Eric Walker wrote:
>
> I personally think the patent system is fatally flawed, and I haven't the
> slightest sympathy for the idea of "intellectual property."
>
The conversation has moved on, but I should moderate the statement above, a
little. I can think of som
Shoot! I have to respond to this.
NOONE, PLEASE CHECK YOUR PERSONAL RETURN EMAIL SETTINGS WHEN YOU RESPOND TO
POSTS IN VORTEX-L. EVERYONE WHO ATTEMPTS TO RESPOND TO YOUR VORTEX POSTS ARE
CONSTANTLY IN DANGER OF SENDING EMAIL TO YOUR PERSONAL EMAIL ACCOUNT, NOT TO
VORTEX-L. WE HAVE TO MANUALLY O
Please take this to vortexb.
Noone^2 wrote:
"I not a very jovial person."
Yaaa think? J
Whatever the baggage you're carrying around with you, don't you think it's
time to let it go? It does nothing by make one's life miserable and full of
drama.
-m
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