Re: [WikiEN-l] A definite version of WP:CRYSTAL

2008-11-12 Thread Carcharoth
interpretation of what made the "great contraction" so severe. It was not the downturn in the business cycle, trade protectionism or the 1929 stock market crash that plunged the country into deep depression. It was the collapse of the banking system during three waves of

Re: [WikiEN-l] Date linking a done deal!?!

2008-11-12 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/11 Carcharoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > If instead of the template, there was a link to a list, or a link > > to a category, then "whatlinkshere" would be much cleaner and c

Re: [WikiEN-l] Date linking a done deal!?!

2008-11-12 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Carcharoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> 2008/11/11 Carcharoth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> > If instead of the template, there was a link

Re: [WikiEN-l] Donation banner and strongly negative reactions

2008-11-12 Thread Carcharoth
e Foundation and legal stuff, can someone tell me whether as a US-based 501(c)(3) organization there is any legal requirement for Wikipedia, as a website, to meet certain minimum accessibility requirements? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Donation banner and strongly negative reactions

2008-11-12 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Gregory Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 12:34 PM, Carcharoth > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > While we are on the Foundation and legal stuff, can someone tell me > whether > > as a US-based 501(c)(3

Re: [WikiEN-l] Date linking a done deal!?!

2008-11-12 Thread Carcharoth
to my post on the talk page yet, though. Anyone know what a riser ring is? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] A definite version of WP:CRYSTAL

2008-11-13 Thread Carcharoth
article about a future scenario, or an alternate history, or an alternate reality, or a fictional topic, should always be securely grounded in what people have said in the past and are saying now. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-15 Thread Carcharoth
one have any ideas how to set up a system like that cleanly and get it working on Wikipedia? The relatively poor spread of Persondata suggests that it is harder than it looks to get something like this going. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list Wi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Avoiding the dates issue

2008-11-16 Thread Carcharoth
what terms should I use to search for previous answers on this topic? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wiki-ing in real time

2008-11-21 Thread Carcharoth
But maybe I'm misunderstanding it. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] How's our coverage of medications?

2008-11-25 Thread Carcharoth
by vandals). Such "in-article" disclaimers, if they were ever used, would have to be carefully monitored. It is much simpler to write and maintain a general "boilerplate" disclaimer that applies to all articles, even if no-one reads it. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Suggestion on how referencing system could be improved

2008-12-04 Thread Carcharoth
o completely misleading statements disconnected from the original source. Adding references can stablise or ossify a piece of text, but when that piece of text goes back into flux, the sources often need to be redone or re-examined. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Suggestion on how referencing system could be improved

2008-12-05 Thread Carcharoth
y wrong. It also means that reading the flow of an article is best done in "preview", but that's not a bad thing, actually, as people should be encouraged to use preview more. But I dread how many potentially new editors have clicked "edit this page" and given

Re: [WikiEN-l] OT: Peer review gone awry - "The Case of M. S. El Naschie"

2008-12-05 Thread Carcharoth
ary, a text that surveys the literature and does the work for us of giving due weight in at least a reasonably objective fashion. This is usually, but not always, the most recent such publication, though sometimes years of research and publications take place before a new overview text emerges. C

Re: [WikiEN-l] Make your students edit Wikipedia for extra credit

2008-12-10 Thread Carcharoth
nistrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive491#Disruptive_school_project.3F > I don't understand the problem with assigning editing Wikipedia to a > classroom. > Why not? See above link. The counter example is the Madness and Mayhem project: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Community vs. Scholarly Consensus

2008-12-17 Thread Carcharoth
iticism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-structuralism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Criticism http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literary_theory http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reader-response_criticism I could go on... Carcharoth ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Community vs. Scholarly Consensus

2008-12-18 Thread Carcharoth
ck the "edit this page" button up top. And away you go! :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

2008-12-26 Thread Carcharoth
e years ago but when I tried to > submit the pd works to wikisource *you* blew me off Ray. I still > have them if anyone feels like fighting it out with the wikisource > community. RSOL = Royal Society Online? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

2008-12-26 Thread Carcharoth
/ Carcharoth On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: > Wtf go look in jstor- they happily assert copyright on hundreds of > thousands of pre 1928 pd documents. > > > > On 12/25/08, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: >> >> In a message dated 12/24/2008 2:46:15 PM P

Re: [WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

2008-12-26 Thread Carcharoth
Yes. Though I'm not the one screaming here. :-) Carcharoth On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 7:30 PM, wrote: > OMG... > THIS is what you are screaming about? > Silly silly silly boy. > They DO have a copyright to the PHOTOGRAPH you bazooka. > They do NOT have a copyright to the plai

Re: [WikiEN-l] Subscription idea

2008-12-26 Thread Carcharoth
hese two messages are somewhat below > suitable levels for the list, and I wouldn't mention it except I've > already had complaints this quicly. It's Christmas. Don't do anything based on what was said to me. :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2008-12-28 Thread Carcharoth
#x27;s "consensus." Have you tried suggesting this change on the talk page and advertising the discussion at various relevant noticeboards and other project talk pages? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To un

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2008-12-28 Thread Carcharoth
r anything. Can't see the word spoiler in the subject line here... Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2008-12-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Ken Arromdee wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2008, Carcharoth wrote: >> Can't see the word spoiler in the subject line here... > > No, it's about a rule abuse which combines the status quo rule with the need > for consensus to make changes: y

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2008-12-28 Thread Carcharoth
t when the secondary source is giving only one interpretation of what a letter might mean. And the concern that quoting the letter directly is original research is also very real. Interpretation of the meaning of what someone has said can be very tricky. Carcharoth __

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2008-12-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:10 AM, David Gerard wrote: > 2008/12/29 Carcharoth : > >> I can point to articles that source statements and claims to Tolkien's >> letters, or quotes from those letters. The articles should probably, >> more technically, point to seconda

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2008-12-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:32 AM, David Gerard wrote: > 2008/12/29 Carcharoth : >> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 12:10 AM, David Gerard wrote: > >>> Please get to WT:NOR promptly. > >> Will you and Phil (and others) join me? :-) > > Already there, and trying to dis

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2008-12-28 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 1:30 AM, The Cunctator wrote: > There is the problem that Derrida mostly wrote deliberately inscrutable > nonsense. What's that sound of ghostly laughter I hear? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing li

Re: [WikiEN-l] Speedy deletion

2008-12-31 Thread Carcharoth
fly die of natural causes. > > Perhaps some of this energy can be channeled toward other tasks. Depends. If those efforts are channelled towards difficult stuff, it could make things worse. The trick is to find something else ongoing, backlogged, interesting and simple and rewarding and

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2009-01-06 Thread Carcharoth
density and > distance from the Earth? It would swamp the entire project. "Random page" > would > become worthless. > > So we focus on what others have determined to be important, based on the > number of citations to it. Have you seen the discussion about tow

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2009-01-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:08 AM, Carcharoth wrote: > On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 12:02 AM, wrote: > > > >> An object takes on increased significance, with the number of publications >> mentioning it. >> Do we want a work that has a list of the 3 billion known stars

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2009-01-06 Thread Carcharoth
in having an article for will some sort of > oblique secondary mentions - but I don't consider those to be sources for > the article, and would not include them when I add material. Consider those oblique secondary sources to be "notab

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2009-01-06 Thread Carcharoth
On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 1:19 AM, Carl Beckhorn wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:03:12AM +0000, Carcharoth wrote: >> Why not both? Wikipedia requires editorial judgment for some things, >> but selection of primary sources is one of the more tricky ones, and a >> secondary so

Re: [WikiEN-l] NOR contradicts NPOV

2009-01-06 Thread Carcharoth
ng interesting, to see if it in Wikipedia? Sure, it should be put in the right place with the right sources and the right weight. But that urge is still there to educate and inform. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] Low citation quality in BLP articles

2009-01-06 Thread Carcharoth
there? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Plagiarism#Another_view.2C_and_a_plea_for_guidance Hmm. That talk page needs archiving. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit:

Re: [WikiEN-l] Low citation quality in BLP articles

2009-01-07 Thread Carcharoth
o on, but I think you get the idea. Biographical material for scientists is out there and normally fairly easy to find, especially if an obituary was published in one of the leading journals, and failing that, one of the biographical databases will help. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Low citation quality in BLP articles

2009-01-07 Thread Carcharoth
Conference on Biogeography and Biodiversity. Institute of Biodiversity and Environmental Conservation"". So as you can see, the sources available and the way they are used, varies depending on the person. People vary greatly in their notability and fame and the amount that oth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Low citation quality in BLP articles

2009-01-07 Thread Carcharoth
s need to use their own judgment from that point on. Or read about how to assess and judge and rank biographical sources for reliability. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Low citation quality in BLP articles

2009-01-07 Thread Carcharoth
rces they use and the way they are constructed from those sources and the assumptions and inferences made by the editors of those articles. Discuss! :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rank hath its privileges

2009-01-08 Thread Carcharoth
ect about repeating account names here. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] From "Private Eye"

2009-01-08 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 3:06 PM, Angela Anuszewski wrote: > Excuse my ignorance, but excatly what is Private Eye? I looked it up in a handy online encyclopedia... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_Eye Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiE

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rank hath its privileges

2009-01-08 Thread Carcharoth
of the ArbCom mailing list, and is less chaotic than ANI. At the moment, WT:RFAR is all there is for this "is there a problem here" pre-RFAR query - see a post made there by Masem on another issue that has garnered little response. Carcharoth

Re: [WikiEN-l] Rank hath its privileges

2009-01-08 Thread Carcharoth
ns spread over several different venues. At the very least, the sitting arbitrators should withdraw from this discussion (as they may be required to arbitrate) and the former arbitrators who are privy to the ArbCom mailing list discussions should probably also stay out of the discussion here. As a

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Carcharoth
have right now; in other words we would have far > less deletionism, because we would have far fewer deletes. You might get arguments over links and redirections to or from or not (as the case may be) this namespace. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing lis

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > 2009/1/11 Carcharoth : >> That would mess up linking between articles. > > No, it would create red links, which would help people find the > sub-par article and encourage them to improve it. > > Red links are usually

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-11 Thread Carcharoth
On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: > 2009/1/11 Carcharoth : >> On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Ian Woollard wrote: >>> 2009/1/11 Carcharoth : >>>> That would mess up linking between articles. >>> >>> No, it would create red lin

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion for its own sake (was MUD history)

2009-01-12 Thread Carcharoth
r came back or show little activity or interest in the rest of Wikipedia (normal behaviour for most new accounta). Such incidents also show the worst of how Wikipedia can treat newcomers. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Interesting article on restored copyrights in US works between 1923 and 1964

2009-01-12 Thread Carcharoth
etion_review/Log/2007_August_2 But a year later we have this: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Image:Max-Planck-und-Albert-Einstein.jpg Anyone here know what should be happening with this image? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Deletion for its own sake (was MUD history)

2009-01-13 Thread Carcharoth
king the admin involved what happened there, though he may be unable to tell you much more. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:OTRS Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list,

Re: [WikiEN-l] Interesting article on restored copyrights in US works between...

2009-01-13 Thread Carcharoth
om an original negative or plate being distributed to various places and people, and various histories being recorded for each separate copy. If the original provenance is lost, it can sometimes appear that a single photo has several different claims of "ownership". Carcharoth __

Re: [WikiEN-l] Consensus (was To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!)

2009-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
start a new round of editing the proposal With many refinements from experiences other people have had of such processes. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
not an AfD result I've ever seen. It has been a long-standing axiom as far as I can remember that AfD is not cleanup. What *can* happen is someone closes as keep or no consensus, and then *adds* their opinion (or that of others) that cleanup is needed. But that is not a close of "cleanup&

Re: [WikiEN-l] Consensus (was To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!)

2009-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
e of fiction related topics? > Yes (why) > No (why) > No opinion. > > Better wording is of course welcome. There is a fiction-related questionnaire already by Pixelface (not everyone likes it though): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pixelface/Fiction_Survey_2008_draft Carcharoth __

Re: [WikiEN-l] To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!

2009-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
der survey like this, and finding someone willing to help with some moderate form of statistical analysis. The number of page views is also something that should have more prominence in the debate, in my opinion. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing lis

Re: [WikiEN-l] Interesting article on restored copyrights in US works between...

2009-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
hether some of the usernames used today are truly pseudonymous or not, and get into long and involved arguments about that? And does it make sense to talk about GFDL works eventually falling into the public domain, and does it make any difference? :-) Or to put it another way, is GFDL freer or less-free than PD? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] two-tiered ratings system (Was: To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!)

2009-01-14 Thread Carcharoth
essed Total number of articles: 2,698,457 See also the talk page of that index for some more stats. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] two-tiered ratings system (Was: To boldy delete what no one had deleted before!)

2009-01-15 Thread Carcharoth
page not hidden on the talk page. But as I said before, that is an editorial rating system, not a reader rating system. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Interesting article on restored copyrights in US works between...

2009-01-16 Thread Carcharoth
image (similar to how people point to Google Books now to verify books they are using as references). But what if there is no museum/library/archive image? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Interesting article on restored copyrights in US works between...

2009-01-16 Thread Carcharoth
l and are not about to be released to the public anytime soon. Is this a problem? What can be done about it? You talked about capitalism. That creates markets in old stuff. Which leads to hoarding. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

2009-01-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Thomas Larsen wrote: > Epistemia aims to provide something better. How did you come up with the name, and what does it mean? :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe f

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

2009-01-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:28 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > 2009/1/17 Carcharoth : >> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Thomas Larsen >> wrote: >> >> >> >>> Epistemia aims to provide something better. >> >> How did you come up

Re: [WikiEN-l] Tracking spam for fun and profit

2009-01-18 Thread Carcharoth
the application to track how many people view deleted revisions of a deleted page. Just go to a deleted page and plug the URL of the "viewdeleted" version for the page in question into the stats.grok.se thingy. If non-admins can't work out the URL, ask a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Watch out Wikipedia, here comes Britannica 2.0

2009-01-22 Thread Carcharoth
lse completely, the comparison isn't direct: "Founded in 1994, the Britannica.com's database contains articles comprising more than 46 million words [...] Founded in 2001, Wikipedia is now available in more than 250 languages and attracts about 700 million visitors annually. The English ed

Re: [WikiEN-l] The Vital Encyclopedist

2009-01-23 Thread Carcharoth
pedia world. Four posts from August 2006? What happened? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC article on Flagged Revisions

2009-01-26 Thread Carcharoth
context for the photo, but I still have to wonder > why, of all the photos of Jimbo that exist in the world, they picked > the one of him in a dress. I think it is a Chinese top. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To

Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC article on Flagged Revisions

2009-01-26 Thread Carcharoth
th, i.e. it really was the first > picture they found in the pile. Yeah, but it was a GETTY image! Why not a freely licensed image? :-) A cropped version was used here: http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/biztech/battle-to-outgun-wikipedia-and-google/2009/01/22/1232471469973.html C

Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC article on Flagged Revisions

2009-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
m). Or maybe the male equivalent? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Changshan Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] BBC article on Flagged Revisions

2009-01-27 Thread Carcharoth
presumably still use it. But this is getting off-topic. Back to Flagged Revisions. What is the latest news? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Why infoboxes are good

2009-01-28 Thread Carcharoth
e extraction of data the way the geographical co-ords templates are? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

[WikiEN-l] New technology, new errors

2009-01-29 Thread Carcharoth
illing the bug, not the reversion. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Announcing "Epistemia", a new wiki encyclopedia

2009-01-29 Thread Carcharoth
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:20 AM, wrote: > On another note... > Oh... my.. god becky! > > Thomas you look just like that one guy from Ferris Bueller's day off, > his sidekick who I don't know what the guy's name was. Cameron? ___ WikiEN-l mailing list

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions: de:wp 99.5% reviewed

2009-02-02 Thread Carcharoth
nly designed to catch obvious vandalism? If that is the case, people need to be more alert than before (not less) to subtle vandalism and good-faith misrepresentation of sources by poor or skewed writing. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged Revisions: de:wp 99.5% reviewed

2009-02-03 Thread Carcharoth
hing to do is go to the German Wikipedia or a test wiki (is there one?). Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-07 Thread Carcharoth
imedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l> >> > > Yes, otherwise the article would be incomplete. There was more to it than that. But please, no rehashing of the arguments. Could someone point to previous discussion? Unless it's been long enough since the last discussion. Carcharoth _

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-07 Thread Carcharoth
metimes in the same article. Log out occasionally and see what the majority of our readers see. It can be quite a shock to have all the customised skins and user preferences taken away. Ditto for DVD and print versions of articles. Carcharoth On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 1:47 AM, White Cat wrote: >

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Carcharoth
Please remember that the archives of this mailing list are available for anyone to read. Carcharoth On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Alvaro García wrote: > Hehe great one. > > On Sun, Feb 8, 2009 at 12:20, Giacomo M-Z wrote: > >> I am giving him the bio he so deserves >>

Re: [WikiEN-l] Flagged revisions in The Sunday Times

2009-02-08 Thread Carcharoth
ely miffed. > > > Sorry, Bono has rights to islands in the Caribbean. Jimbo owns Florida > (except Clearwater, which is owned by Scientology, and the Everglades, > which are owned by Carl Hiaasen) and we have the Arbitration Committee > yacht cruising between them. G

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-08 Thread Carcharoth
page as well, and also have the ability to force a > certain style and define date names as well (eg: > <<2008-12-25|f=Friday, 25 December 2008|name=Christmas Day (2008)>>) <<2008-12-25|f=Friday, 25 December 2008|name=Christmas Day (20

Re: [WikiEN-l] Wikipedia, the overly standarised Encyclopedia you wouldn't dare edit

2009-02-09 Thread Carcharoth
couraged those who had been working on technical solutions. Lots of bad-faith assumptions and foot-dragging and forcing "solutions" through. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki

2009-02-09 Thread Carcharoth
etimes) get improved as a result. It's also legitimate because some people prefer to ask humans a question and have them look it up, rather than look things up themselves. The side effect is quite a lot of chatter around the questions and answers. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki

2009-02-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:12 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/2/9 Carcharoth : > >> To pick another example. The reference desks (which I think are great) >> are technically a bit divorced from the encyclopedia building, but I >> think are a legitimate side operation, es

Re: [WikiEN-l] How to raise the tone of the wiki

2009-02-09 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 11:19 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/2/9 Carcharoth : > >>> (e.g. going down the pub, there's three Wikipedians at the table >>> talking obscure military history they've picked up in the course of >>> just hanging around a

Re: [WikiEN-l] Yet another political alteration...

2009-02-11 Thread Carcharoth
ow on the front page of the BBC news website, and among the most popular stories: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/live_stats/html/map.stm Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, vi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Spoiler-driven plots on movies articles

2009-02-11 Thread Carcharoth
asaki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Holocaust_books I couldn't rule out looking to see if a book had an article on Wikipedia before buying it, or more likely, reading about the author. But I would, admittedly, be more likely to read a review somewhere, though I *might* come to Wikipedi

Re: [WikiEN-l] Desysopping

2009-02-11 Thread Carcharoth
many people commented at their RFA and how many of those people are still around. Are there any "mailing list" admins still around (in the very old days, admins were given the bit based on a mailing list discussion)? Of course, many of these old admins are themselves inactive now.

Re: [WikiEN-l] Desysopping

2009-02-11 Thread Carcharoth
hen is someone going to do another statistical analysis or history of Wikipedia? Sorry, got a bit off-topic there! :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Desysopping

2009-02-13 Thread Carcharoth
ing in 2009 like they are in the encyclopedia of 2004 (for example), but the level and degree of the resulting problems may vary (and the encyclopedia is so large today that the behaviour is not always consistent across the whole anyway). Carcharoth ___

Re: [WikiEN-l] Desysopping

2009-02-14 Thread Carcharoth
Agree 100% with David (DGG) here. On the other hand, a careful combination of templates with personalised messages can also work. See this essay here for more on this type of approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ArielGold/Etiquette2 Carcharoth On Sat, Feb 14, 2009 at 7:47 PM, David

Re: [WikiEN-l] Short 3RR-like blocks for incivility

2009-02-15 Thread Carcharoth
Maybe it should be more like a slap on the wrist and serve your time, than either "ignore" or "warn" or "block indefinitely"? Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this ma

Re: [WikiEN-l] Short 3RR-like blocks for incivility

2009-02-15 Thread Carcharoth
cking someone doesn't give them the chance to retract their comments... Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Is "Copyrighted Freeware" CCbySA?

2009-02-16 Thread Carcharoth
dea. Better is this: http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ware "manufactured goods, goods for sale," O.E. waru ..." O.E. is Old English. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Slashdot] The Role of Experts In Wikipedia

2009-02-16 Thread Carcharoth
mp;action=history So maybe I should have read that draft instead. It would be nice to know which versions were approved by the three editors above, and at what stage. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Slashdot] The Role of Experts In Wikipedia

2009-02-16 Thread Carcharoth
ing relations is due to the person, the topic, or the environment. Sometimes it is all three. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] Is "Copyrighted Freeware" CCbySA?

2009-02-16 Thread Carcharoth
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Ray Saintonge wrote: > Carcharoth wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Sam Korn wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 1:47 PM, Thomas Dalton >>> wrote: >>> >>>> 2009/2/16 Alvaro García : >>&

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Slashdot] The Role of Experts In Wikipedia

2009-02-16 Thread Carcharoth
examples of the redlinked article that haven't been linked (some of which should be, some shouldn't). It's very satisfying to write a new article that has 10 or so incoming links already! :-) Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Slashdot] The Role of Experts In Wikipedia

2009-02-17 Thread Carcharoth
o write well; and (b) experts tend to prefer to write more limited, specialised articles. Sometimes the subsidiary articles need to be written to a good level before the general article can be tackled. Sometimes it is the other way round. Carcharoth __

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Slashdot] The Role of Experts In Wikipedia

2009-02-17 Thread Carcharoth
On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 2:39 PM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/2/17 Carcharoth : > >> If these all count as low-hanging fruit, they may have been picked, >> but they haven't really ripened yet. Part of the trouble is that truly >> general, overview articles are: (a) di

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Slashdot] The Role of Experts In Wikipedia

2009-02-17 Thread Carcharoth
dallists linking back to the medal (and adding sources), and do a search for the various terms (Lister Medal, Lister Oration), and link them from various articles. In this case, there isn't much mention of the medal in other articles, but for other orphaned articles there can

Re: [WikiEN-l] Short 3RR-like blocks for incivility

2009-02-18 Thread Carcharoth
pt it quietly, or they get incensed. Some people see it as no big deal, even if incorrect, as long as the incorrectness is acknowledged. Others get clase about being blocked, not realising that as the block build up, they acquire a reputation (though you can get a reputation without a loc

Re: [WikiEN-l] [Slashdot] The Role of Experts In Wikipedia

2009-02-19 Thread Carcharoth
nks? It is possible (but less likely) that the articles exist in both places, but haven't been linked with an interwiki yet. I find examples of that fairly regularly, but am not sure how common it is. Carcharoth ___ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l

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