Re: [WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario

2008-06-12 Thread Rogelio
Dustin Jurman wrote: > If you don't need roaming capability treat each one as it's own network or > you could create one centralized distribution facility. I would like roaming, actually. Ideally, the entire mesh would be on the same LAN subnet and each user would be assigned the gateway that w

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-12 Thread Japhy Bartlett
Python is an excellent cross-platform language. Py2exe can generate .exe files from the scripts. So, you could pretty easily compile in your .ini files for each ISP. And Python is awful nice to write in. - Japhy On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Larry Yunker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When it

Re: [WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario

2008-06-12 Thread Dustin Jurman
If you don't need roaming capability treat each one as it's own network or you could create one centralized distribution facility. Dustin -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rogelio Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:01 PM To: WISPA General List

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-12 Thread Nigel Bruin
On 13 Jun 2008, at 04:28, Larry Yunker wrote: >> It also means the program doesn't work with no Windows computers, >> which are increasingly gaining market share. > > True... I don't have a Mac, so I can't building for that market. > While I could and probably will build something for Linux > eve

[WISPA] multiple gateway question in mesh scenario

2008-06-12 Thread Rogelio
What do others here do in situations where a mesh has multiple gateways? Say you have a large mesh and each "egrees" is a satellite uplink to a different ISP provider. Would you just assign multiple gateways on the DHCP server? Or would you use something like RADIUS to assign different network

Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message

2008-06-12 Thread Chad Halsted
I really don't get how V3 is difficult to figure out. Before I was doing this, I was dragging phone/data cables for the AF. Before that I ran a Husqvarna for a logging company. Before that, I worked on a small ranch. I'm a pretty common sence kind of guy and don't like things that don't work rig

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-12 Thread WISPA
Very nice Larry. Let us all know what we can do to help. PC Blaze Broadband > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Yunker > Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 4:08 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] User check program

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-12 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:47 PM, Larry Yunker wrote: > When it comes to cross platform support, I would agree that Java > wins out. > When it comes to end-user software in a Windows environment, I would > have to > disagree and state that almost all recent (last 2 to 3 years) > development > ha

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-12 Thread Larry Yunker
When it comes to cross platform support, I would agree that Java wins out. When it comes to end-user software in a Windows environment, I would have to disagree and state that almost all recent (last 2 to 3 years) development has turned to the .Net platform. Regardless, I am still seeking a 3rd

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-12 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Larry Yunker wrote: >> > But JAVA requires that a Java VM be installed on the PC. The point > is to > avoid having to install a separate "Framework". Ideally, I'd like a > linker > that would just compile in those components within .NET that I rely > upon. > T

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-12 Thread Larry Yunker
>It also means the program doesn't work with no Windows computers, >which are increasingly gaining market share. True... I don't have a Mac, so I can't building for that market. While I could and probably will build something for Linux eventually, it seems irrelevant. If your client has Linux,

Re: [WISPA] Voip over Wireless

2008-06-12 Thread Joe Miller
I'm using a VoIP service that the customer fills out a request form including what number they want, I email to my VoIP guy. He will program and ship it to them. He sends me a bill for the ATA and Shipping of about $45.00. I send the customer a bill for $79.00 for the setup. My VoIP guy charges

Re: [WISPA] User check program

2008-06-12 Thread Matt Liotta
On Jun 12, 2008, at 4:08 PM, Larry Yunker wrote: > (1) For purposes of Deployment, this program requires .Net 2.0. The > install > program will check for the existence of .Net 2.0 on the target > machine and > will attempt to install it if it is not already installed. > Unfortunately, > .

Re: [WISPA] Voip over Wireless

2008-06-12 Thread Steve Barnes
I have not used it personally. I have had 3 customers try it and say it worked but many calls dropped and lots of echo. We may have just helped that a bunch in that we just reduced the number of hops to our network from 6 Wireless hops to 1 hop to fiber. I am just looking for a service that is a

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread reader
Actually, we need a little more information to answer this... Is this for a hot spot? Is this for fixed service? Is this for a mobile (clients in a park, for instance) service? Star-OS recently added an upper and lower limiter to radio sensitivity. In point to point links, you can bracket the

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
As a rule, no. Low noise vs. no noise. We're getting the same ranges with less than 4 watt systems and no amps as we did with 4 watt amped systems. The most amazing part of that Speeds nearly always double or more! marlon - Original Message - From: "Rogelio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Better sensitivity is a BAD thing in a high noise area. I do like the MT units that include what amounts to a squelch function. Won't help on a laptop though. Only if you use them as both ap and cpe. marlon - Original Message - From: "Rogelio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jack Unger" <[EM

Re: [WISPA] ip accounting solns

2008-06-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Brandon has the best solution out there. It's also cost effective. marlon - Original Message - From: "Rogelio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:28 PM Subject: [WISPA] ip accounting solns > Anyone here use any IP accounting solutions? > > S

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
In high noise areas you'll be better off to use almost anything but WiFi. It's the least noise tolerant protocol that I know of. marlon - Original Message - From: "Rogelio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 11:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] good multir

Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message

2008-06-12 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- Original Message - From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] star os config help- clarifying my message > You'll forget that you weren't familiar with it after you get used to > them. It's just like

Re: [WISPA] Voip over Wireless

2008-06-12 Thread Mike Hammett
Be aware that things that aggregate packets to reduce the hit on your network come at the expense of VoIP quality. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Hardy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent:

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread George Rogato
Not sure if this helps, but some of the newest realeses for the software we are using and others has a "squelch" feature added to configure. I played with it a bit and it seemed to be helpful. But I haven't tried it in enough places to get a good grip on how well it improves things. Chuck McCow

Re: [WISPA] Voip over Wireless

2008-06-12 Thread George Rogato
I've been using voip across my network for years now. One of the things we did about four years ago was build our own voip server (*) and hand out pap2's to about 100 subs for testing. We gave them free outgoing telephone service. Thats when we really learned how good the quality of voip is acro

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
The noise figure of the receiver front end or of a low noise amplifier will help you to pick out a weak signal in the absence of interference. But you are talking about an environment of interference. A low noise amplifier could actually hurt in this case depending on the third order intercept

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
C/I ratio is a good metric - Original Message - From: "Rogelio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments? > Jack Unger wrote: >> Noise is

Re: [WISPA] Voip over Wireless

2008-06-12 Thread Bryan Scott
On Jun 12, 2008, at 7:49 AM, Wallace L. Walcher wrote: > Another WISP told me Packet8 works better on a wireless network than > Vonage. > It comes down to codec being used and the jitter buffer. Packet 8 has a significant jitter buffer. There's a noticeable delay that's very awkward. Real

Re: [WISPA] Voip over Wireless

2008-06-12 Thread Wallace L. Walcher
Another WISP told me Packet8 works better on a wireless network than Vonage. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Voip over Wireless > What doesn

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Nigel Bruin
On 12 Jun 2008, at 20:17, Rogelio wrote: > Jack Unger wrote: >> Noise is noise and will destroy performance on any radio. > > True. But aren't there some wifi units that get better radio > sensitivity due to channel bandwidth and the noise figure of the > radio? With standard clients or proprie

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Rogelio
Jack Unger wrote: > Noise is noise and will destroy performance on any radio. Might low noise amplifiers help in these situations? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-noise_amplifier WISPA Wants You! Join today! http:

Re: [WISPA] using street level and below tree canopy for unlicensed bands

2008-06-12 Thread Brian Webster
In my days at EarthLink we did discover that the noise levels in both the 2.4 and 5 GHz bands were much lower at street level than up on high buildings or towers. This was both good and bad. It was good in that we had a better signal to noise ratio. The reason being that in Philly the buil

Re: [WISPA] Voip over Wireless

2008-06-12 Thread David E. Smith
> What doesn't work with Vonage? > Is it the quality of the call or the service itself? Probably call quality. Anecdotal evidence ahoy! One of my field techs, who has our wireless service at his home, tried Vonage for a few months, but the call quality was lousy. He later switched to Packet 8 a

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Rogelio
Jack Unger wrote: > Noise is noise and will destroy performance on any radio. True. But aren't there some wifi units that get better radio sensitivity due to channel bandwidth and the noise figure of the radio? WI

Re: [WISPA] good multiradio wifi units for noise environments?

2008-06-12 Thread Jack Unger
Noise is noise and will destroy performance on any radio. Rogelio wrote: > I am looking for multiradio wifi units that handle well in environments > with high floor noise levels, particularly in city areas where the > unlicensed band is very congested. > > Any suggestions? > > >