Re: [313] time trap teknik (was new order)

2001-08-30 Thread peter mueller
yeah, it was on metalbox, released in 97.


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: I have seen it about still, the one that featured dopplereffekt and so
on,
: yes?
:
: I remember it being both vinyl and CD with the CD mixed up.
: It was first release on there proposed new label.  It was called
something
: box, maybe MetalBox seems familiar.  Anyone confirm?
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Re: [313] Clark Warner

2001-08-30 Thread Mike Taylor



He is very worth showing up for. Great taste, and an excellect collection. 
He and Carlos Souffront are probably the two best downtempo DJ's in Detroit.


mt




He's doing a show tonight in NYC, any opinions?

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RE: [313] live sets (was new topic)

2001-08-30 Thread Mike Taylor

1. Kraftwerk at the State Theatre in Detroit in June of 98
2. Cex at The Detroit Contemporary Gallery earlier this summer
3. The first Time:Space gig at Motor
4. Mouse On Mars earlier this summer at The Magic Stick(with Phred H.)
5. Neil Landstrumm at Complex in Detroit in 97
6. Random Noise Generation at Motor during the Electronic Entourage Tour
7. Octave One at the 430 West gig after the first DEMF
8. Kelsey Vaughn Thomas at Forans the night before the first DEMF
9. Skot Nicholson at zoots in 96
10. Aspen live at the Detroit Contemporary earlier this summer



i have to say:

1) carl craig's innerzone live debut at st. andrews in 97 or 98 (can't
remember which), when a room full of candy ravers (incl. myself at the 
time)

kind of half-swayed, half-danced around for at least a half an hour wating
for the beats to drop before splitting into two contingents, one of which
stopped swaying but stayed around for the rest of the decidedly
non-dancefloor set, the other of which promptly went looking for dj dan or
whomever it was playing upstairs.

2) stewart walker, chicago, 2000. one set of stabiles material for the
head. one set of live techno for the feet.

3) inner city live at DEMF 2001 - we need some / we need some / we need
some luh-hove! paris still has it

brian

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Thanks dan to your quick response.

I would have to say:

1.Ur with 1992 /With Jeff
2.Model 500 1996 /Mike Banks,Keith Tucker and Tom Hammilton Aux
3.Robert Hood
4.Scan 7
5.Adult
6.Carl Craig
7.Inner City
8 Claude Young
9.Shake demf 2001
10.k-1 Optic Nerve

FEEL FREE TO COMMENT






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Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:43:31 -0400

How about a top 5?  Too hard to distinguish which sets I like better
than others after that.

1. underground resistance w/jeff mills (1992)
2. aril brikha  time:space
3. rob hood
4. moodymann (based on the short set he played at All Access this year)
5. inner city

I missed the first Model 500 show in 1996 so I can't comment. The
second one (what year was that again?) wasn't worth mentioning
unfortunately.

I believe Blake Baxter was the first Detroit artist to play live.
London in 1988 to kick off the compilation on Virgin. Anyone on the
list see that one?  :)

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[313] Apollo and Early 90s UK techno

2001-08-30 Thread Phonopsia
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 Hello,

 I should also have said that I am looking for recommendation for specific
 releases. I know about Fax and Warp, I need details about which
 releases/artists to look for. I have a general idea about who was big in
the
 early 90's and what to look for. What I am interested in is specifics
about
 the more obscure labels/releases and artists from that period.

 Also, did Apollo ever put out any compilations CD's?

Apollo definitely had a compilation. Not sure what it was called. My
favorite Apollo release was a CD called Manna from a 3-piece band, with some
live instrumentation, but still very electronic at heart. As previously
mentioned, Sun Electric, Thomas Fehlmann, The Orb's first three albums and
all the AI series on Warp are essential.

In terms of the UK, you should definitely seek out GPR, and especially the
sub-label Input-Neuron Musique. The first three releases were:

1. Morganistic, by Luke Slater is an excellent harder techno 8-track LP.
2. Roupe - Strom, is a phenomenal work for the time, exceedingly dense and
varied, with a melodic sensibility I know you'll love.
3. Russ Gabriel - Voltage Control, very Detroit, and not a lot of powerful
beats, but as smooth as you'd expect from him. Some of his best work.

The GPR output itself is too vast to focus on, but Beaumont Hannant and Luke
Slater were the hilights for me. Luke Slater had an EP called Big  ???
which was three tracks. I tired of his albums on GPR over time though. I'd
say listen first. The Big  track is amazing though. Hunt it down for
that one song. There was also a 2x CD compilation which would serve as a
good starting point, called Equanimity. There's a great Roupe song, in a
time signature that feels like 9/4 to me??? Also early stuff from Fumiya
Tanaka and some other good stuff from Russ Gabriel and Cherry Bomb. Cherry
Bomb's first album, Electronic For Dogs is quite nice too. Roupe also had
later material on other labels you should track down. He's a genius.

Someone mentioned The Higher Intelligence Agency - good call. Beyond Records
had a lot of good ambience and dub, some of which did not stand the test of
time so well. A lot of it was released domestically on Waveform. Their best
release got Mixmaster Morris' best of one year, Another Fine Day's Life
Before Land. I still listen to this regularly. On that note, The
Irresistible Force's first album, Global Chillage is must-have ambience.
And while we're on the topic of Rising High, the first Wagon Christ, Phat
Lab Nightmare was rather twisted, before Luke Vibert went into beats more.
He also did an incredible remix of MLO's Wimborne available on a compilation
somewhere, I think it was Chilled to Death 3000 or something. :) MLO's IO
soundtrack is beautiful beatless ambience. Perfect music to sleep to, in the
same category as the calmer moments of Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2 and far
better than the FAX stuff IMO. A lot of that fell into the music for the
extremely patient category for me.

We can't forget The Sabres of Paradise and Nightmares on Wax when talking
Warp. It's not as electronica as the rest, but classic material. Haunted
Dancehall and Smoker's Delight are timeless. I assume you already have B12
covered. That's the most purely Detroit stuff on Warp, except Drexiya and
Ultradyne of course. Black Dog's Music For Adverts and Short Films is as
good an electronic music *album* as has been made and Bytes is also
essential, before the Plaid/Black Dog split.

The Plaid EP on Clear is some of their best work. Angry Dolphin is a
timeless song. All the early releases on Clear are worth your time,
particularly The Jedi Knights. The Jake Slazinger (AKA Mike Paradinas) was
his best material if you ask me, but I can do without it today. Tusken
Raiders (also AKA Mike Paradinas) good, but you should listen first. Nasty
beats, but more listenable than the Tango 'n Vectif album. The Gregory
Fleckner Quintet was interesting and not much more. I know there was a lot
more Clear stuff worth mentioning, it's just not springing to mind.

There's also a huge world of Pork, Mo Wax and Ninja Tune, but I suspect
that's not so much what you're after.

A lot of this stuff will be hard to find, so I recommend starting your
search at http://gemm.com

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FW: [313] live sets (was new topic)

2001-08-30 Thread Pryor, Ryan N
1. Kraftwerk at the State Theatre in Detroit in June of 98
2. Paperclip People,Detroit 1999
3. Holy Ghost, Detroit 1999
4. Adult. DEMF 2000
5. Kookie Scientist DEMF 2001
6. Shake DEMF 2001
7. Ectomorph DEMF 2000

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1. Kraftwerk at the State Theatre in Detroit in June of 98
2. Cex at The Detroit Contemporary Gallery earlier this summer
3. The first Time:Space gig at Motor
4. Mouse On Mars earlier this summer at The Magic Stick(with Phred H.)
5. Neil Landstrumm at Complex in Detroit in 97
6. Random Noise Generation at Motor during the Electronic Entourage Tour
7. Octave One at the 430 West gig after the first DEMF
8. Kelsey Vaughn Thomas at Forans the night before the first DEMF
9. Skot Nicholson at zoots in 96
10. Aspen live at the Detroit Contemporary earlier this summer


i have to say:

1) carl craig's innerzone live debut at st. andrews in 97 or 98 (can't
remember which), when a room full of candy ravers (incl. myself at the 
time)
kind of half-swayed, half-danced around for at least a half an hour wating
for the beats to drop before splitting into two contingents, one of which
stopped swaying but stayed around for the rest of the decidedly
non-dancefloor set, the other of which promptly went looking for dj dan or
whomever it was playing upstairs.

2) stewart walker, chicago, 2000. one set of stabiles material for the
head. one set of live techno for the feet.

3) inner city live at DEMF 2001 - we need some / we need some / we need
some luh-hove! paris still has it

brian

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Subject: Re: [313] new topic


Thanks dan to your quick response.

I would have to say:

1.Ur with 1992 /With Jeff
2.Model 500 1996 /Mike Banks,Keith Tucker and Tom Hammilton Aux
3.Robert Hood
4.Scan 7
5.Adult
6.Carl Craig
7.Inner City
8 Claude Young
9.Shake demf 2001
10.k-1 Optic Nerve

FEEL FREE TO COMMENT






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 To: T Mind [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: Re: [313] new topic
 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 14:43:31 -0400
 
 How about a top 5?  Too hard to distinguish which sets I like better
 than others after that.
 
 1. underground resistance w/jeff mills (1992)
 2. aril brikha  time:space
 3. rob hood
 4. moodymann (based on the short set he played at All Access this year)
 5. inner city
 
 I missed the first Model 500 show in 1996 so I can't comment. The
 second one (what year was that again?) wasn't worth mentioning
 unfortunately.
 
 I believe Blake Baxter was the first Detroit artist to play live.
 London in 1988 to kick off the compilation on Virgin. Anyone on the
 list see that one?  :)
 
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Re: [313] new topic

2001-08-30 Thread Dave Clark
I saw sutekh and safetyscissors play a live pa here a while ago. They
were the bomb!

Laurent Garnier plays a mean live set. A bit more song-oriented.

-Dave

ps I'm not sure if I make your list of 313'ers but since I've been on
here for 3 years, I thought I'd give it a go!


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 Thanks for your Time
 
 I really want to hear from Dan Sicko, Laura Gabor ,BMG,Sean
 Deason,and all 
 other 313 ers who really care and have insight.
 
 
 Peace Thanks again for your time
 
 My last two cents a few years ago I heard about a possible model 500
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Re: [313] Apollo and Early 90s UK techno

2001-08-30 Thread jonathan morse
there was a person here in rochester in the early 90's named tim prezzano
who had 3 ep's out on GPR under the name nev. last i knew he was in nyc. his
www.nevsound.com website is still up but looks like it hasnt been updated in
a few years.

there was a feature and unreleased track of his on 'trance atlantic express'
along with the same from carl craig, kenny larkin, aux88, juan atkins, eddie
fowlkes, mark gage, dan curtin, himadri, jamie hodge, plastikman and fred
gianelli among others.

the same people who put that comp out also had a series titled 'trance
europe express' and the first 2 volumes were all old UK techno. mostly
ambient and proto-trance type stuff.

 From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2001 21:34:17 -0400
 To: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: [313] Apollo and Early 90s UK techno
 
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 From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2001 1:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [313] ambient techno
 
 
 Hello,
 
 I should also have said that I am looking for recommendation for specific
 releases. I know about Fax and Warp, I need details about which
 releases/artists to look for. I have a general idea about who was big in
 the
 early 90's and what to look for. What I am interested in is specifics
 about
 the more obscure labels/releases and artists from that period.
 
 Also, did Apollo ever put out any compilations CD's?
 
 Apollo definitely had a compilation. Not sure what it was called. My
 favorite Apollo release was a CD called Manna from a 3-piece band, with some
 live instrumentation, but still very electronic at heart. As previously
 mentioned, Sun Electric, Thomas Fehlmann, The Orb's first three albums and
 all the AI series on Warp are essential.
 
 In terms of the UK, you should definitely seek out GPR, and especially the
 sub-label Input-Neuron Musique. The first three releases were:
 
 1. Morganistic, by Luke Slater is an excellent harder techno 8-track LP.
 2. Roupe - Strom, is a phenomenal work for the time, exceedingly dense and
 varied, with a melodic sensibility I know you'll love.
 3. Russ Gabriel - Voltage Control, very Detroit, and not a lot of powerful
 beats, but as smooth as you'd expect from him. Some of his best work.
 
 The GPR output itself is too vast to focus on, but Beaumont Hannant and Luke
 Slater were the hilights for me. Luke Slater had an EP called Big  ???
 which was three tracks. I tired of his albums on GPR over time though. I'd
 say listen first. The Big  track is amazing though. Hunt it down for
 that one song. There was also a 2x CD compilation which would serve as a
 good starting point, called Equanimity. There's a great Roupe song, in a
 time signature that feels like 9/4 to me??? Also early stuff from Fumiya
 Tanaka and some other good stuff from Russ Gabriel and Cherry Bomb. Cherry
 Bomb's first album, Electronic For Dogs is quite nice too. Roupe also had
 later material on other labels you should track down. He's a genius.
 
 Someone mentioned The Higher Intelligence Agency - good call. Beyond Records
 had a lot of good ambience and dub, some of which did not stand the test of
 time so well. A lot of it was released domestically on Waveform. Their best
 release got Mixmaster Morris' best of one year, Another Fine Day's Life
 Before Land. I still listen to this regularly. On that note, The
 Irresistible Force's first album, Global Chillage is must-have ambience.
 And while we're on the topic of Rising High, the first Wagon Christ, Phat
 Lab Nightmare was rather twisted, before Luke Vibert went into beats more.
 He also did an incredible remix of MLO's Wimborne available on a compilation
 somewhere, I think it was Chilled to Death 3000 or something. :) MLO's IO
 soundtrack is beautiful beatless ambience. Perfect music to sleep to, in the
 same category as the calmer moments of Selected Ambient Works Vol. 2 and far
 better than the FAX stuff IMO. A lot of that fell into the music for the
 extremely patient category for me.
 
 We can't forget The Sabres of Paradise and Nightmares on Wax when talking
 Warp. It's not as electronica as the rest, but classic material. Haunted
 Dancehall and Smoker's Delight are timeless. I assume you already have B12
 covered. That's the most purely Detroit stuff on Warp, except Drexiya and
 Ultradyne of course. Black Dog's Music For Adverts and Short Films is as
 good an electronic music *album* as has been made and Bytes is also
 essential, before the Plaid/Black Dog split.
 
 The Plaid EP on Clear is some of their best work. Angry Dolphin is a
 timeless song. All the early releases on Clear are worth your time,
 particularly The Jedi Knights. The Jake Slazinger (AKA Mike Paradinas) was
 his best material if you ask me, but I can do without it today. Tusken
 Raiders (also AKA Mike Paradinas) good, but you should listen first. Nasty
 beats, but more listenable than the Tango 'n Vectif 

Re: [313] new topic

2001-08-30 Thread Fred Heutte
Favorite live sets (at least semi-313 related):

UR  Aux 88, for the Metroplex anniversary, October 1995
Ectomorph + Rotator, some warehouse on the waterfront, September 1997
Jonah Sharp/Spacetime Continuum, Zoot Suite (Portland), 1999
Direct Beat Assassins, DEMF 2000
Octave One, 430 West party, DEMF 2000
UR, London, New Year's Eve 2000
Random Noise Generation, DEMF 2001
Simon Hartley/Wildplanet, 430 West party, DEMF 2001


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Re: [313] new topic

2001-08-30 Thread Jayson B.



Random Noise Generation, DEMF 2001



maybe its just me, but RNG is the only live pa i know of that the music is 
so awesome that i forget about the performance.  when you watch them 
perform, they're so into jamming out to their own toons they don't do squat 
on stage.  Now, this is merely my experience the last 3 times i've seen 
them, so maybe its just the times i've seen them.  I have a feeling they're 
adat, but again, with them i can forgive them doing that.  the tracks are 
just too good.



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[313] re: ambient techno recommendations

2001-08-30 Thread dan robitaille

 - Flourescence EP by Space Time Continuum
Well, there are two techno-ish tracks on this album, and two
mello ambient tunes which are simply timeless. Other
recommendations on the Reflective label are Reaganz (highly
unique yet annoying techno/idm) and Single Cell Orchestra
(with some AWESOME ambient breaks and some harsh
techno/idm). There is one thing about the reflective
releases, it that they are out of print and very hard to
find. Oh, for the spotters: the holographic imprint on one
side of the Flourescence release was a series of paperclip
images.
Also on the STC kick, IMO Flourescene made up for the
collaboration with Terrence McKenna, which to this day I
find to be absolute nonesense. The music was good, the
chitter about glass pipes and dmt and mckenna's leading the
rave trip... well, one would have to hear it. Brutal.

 - Flourescence EP by Space Time Continuum
 I think this was the first STC release; if you don't like
 STC's later output, don't be put off from this EP.
 Whenever I played it out at ambient clubs back then
 trainspotters would flock to the decks (it had this
 novelty holographic label which made it visually
 distinctive as well). Best use of a 303 in an ambient
 track can be found on here; this EP really takes me back!

dan robitaille

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Fw: [313] Apollo and Early 90s UK techno

2001-08-30 Thread Phonopsia
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  there was a person here in rochester in the early 90's named tim
prezzano
  who had 3 ep's out on GPR under the name nev. last i knew he was in nyc.
 his
  www.nevsound.com website is still up but looks like it hasnt been
updated
 in
  a few years.
 
  there was a feature and unreleased track of his on 'trance atlantic
 express'
  along with the same from carl craig, kenny larkin, aux88, juan atkins,
 eddie
  fowlkes, mark gage, dan curtin, himadri, jamie hodge, plastikman and
fred
  gianelli among others.

Yeah! His stuff on the Equanimity comp and Trance Atlantic is great.

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Re: [313] re: ambient techno recommendations

2001-08-30 Thread logic7
Terrence McKenna's presence on that CD (Spacetime Continuum - Alien
Dreamtime) annoyed the hell outta me. His voice annoy's me... His tangent's
annoyed me... Bah. The music was choice, but Terrance kept making me
thinking won't he shut tha f_ck up so I can groove for a minute??!!!.

Sweetest track on the CD was Speaking In Tongues

The future passed you by.

Labwerx Music
http://www.geocities.com/labwerx
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Subject: [313] re: ambient techno recommendations



  - Flourescence EP by Space Time Continuum
 Well, there are two techno-ish tracks on this album, and two
 mello ambient tunes which are simply timeless. Other
 recommendations on the Reflective label are Reaganz (highly
 unique yet annoying techno/idm) and Single Cell Orchestra
 (with some AWESOME ambient breaks and some harsh
 techno/idm). There is one thing about the reflective
 releases, it that they are out of print and very hard to
 find. Oh, for the spotters: the holographic imprint on one
 side of the Flourescence release was a series of paperclip
 images.
 Also on the STC kick, IMO Flourescene made up for the
 collaboration with Terrence McKenna, which to this day I
 find to be absolute nonesense. The music was good, the
 chitter about glass pipes and dmt and mckenna's leading the
 rave trip... well, one would have to hear it. Brutal.

  - Flourescence EP by Space Time Continuum
  I think this was the first STC release; if you don't like
  STC's later output, don't be put off from this EP.
  Whenever I played it out at ambient clubs back then
  trainspotters would flock to the decks (it had this
  novelty holographic label which made it visually
  distinctive as well). Best use of a 303 in an ambient
  track can be found on here; this EP really takes me back!

 dan robitaille

 ---
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 Re-Compute the Flow @ the Upstairs Lounge
 3131 South Grand/ St. Louis/ 314.773.3388

 Featuring the madd skillz ov
 dj flex boogie (2 step, house, hip hop)
 R3 (hard techno, harder house)
 Robi (downtempo, electro, acid techno, dnb)
 Cougar Shuttle (techno, electro, www.nesrecords.com)



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Re: [313] re: ambient techno recommendations

2001-08-30 Thread Phonopsia
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Subject: [313] re: ambient techno recommendations



  - Flourescence EP by Space Time Continuum
 Well, there are two techno-ish tracks on this album, and two
 mello ambient tunes which are simply timeless. Other
 recommendations on the Reflective label are Reaganz (highly
 unique yet annoying techno/idm) and Single Cell Orchestra
 (with some AWESOME ambient breaks and some harsh
 techno/idm). There is one thing about the reflective
 releases, it that they are out of print and very hard to
 find. Oh, for the spotters: the holographic imprint on one
 side of the Flourescence release was a series of paperclip
 images.

Single Cell Orchestra was sort-of the American Autechre for a while there. A
bit cleaner, with really nice melodies. There's one Sci-fi CD that's pretty
damn cool. It's got an original Star Trek-ish narative on top of the whole
thing, with good, dark electro beneath.

 Also on the STC kick, IMO Flourescene made up for the
 collaboration with Terrence McKenna, which to this day I
 find to be absolute nonesense. The music was good, the
 chitter about glass pipes and dmt and mckenna's leading the
 rave trip... well, one would have to hear it. Brutal.

McKenna also did a song with The Shamen before that. He was at the height of
his popularity then. I have friend who was really into the whole thing,
heroic doses, DMT elves and the works. He definitely gets points for
originality. However, I think the last thing dance music culture needs is a
guru intellectualizing a bunch of teenagers doing drugs to dance music as
cultural transcendence.

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Re: [313] madonna

2001-08-30 Thread Cyclone Wehner
It was available locally in Aus - both mixes.

Cheers

CW

at least one of the slater remixes was available on a commercial cd single.
i think it was british but could have been e.u. or japan.

brian

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Re: [313] time trap teknik (was new order)

2001-08-30 Thread Cyclone Wehner
Easy, Colin quit a couple of years ago. The Advent is now just Cisco.
Cisco's past is in engineering, he was with RS years ago working with the
likes of CJ Bolland.

something that i never quite understood. if you look on the liner notes,
most of the tracks are credited to cisco ferreira only. anyone who has
more insight on the way they worked together or could direct me to any
interviews/articles?

for the techno tracks, i agree. they definitely had more funk back than.
but for the electro stuff...the release on electrix earlier this year is
one of my favourite records of 2k1 so far. anyone know if there's any
material comming out from the advent in the near future?

peter

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RE: [313] live sets

2001-08-30 Thread FC3 Richards
havn't seen much in the live area...

The Punisher live in Cincy...supposed to be a jungle set, sounded straight
out of the jungle, but not jungle by the musical catagory

Hardfloor in LA...pretty good set, the only thing i didn't really like about
it was they played all the individual tracks w/o mixing them together.  all
seperated, have a 5 or 10 second break inbetween songs.  still pounding and
bass heavy none the less.

those are really the only 2 worth mentioning.  unfortunately i was too young
to ever know about Plastikman live PA's, just knew about the CD's i could
get at Harmony House...

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[313] Single Cell Orchestra mp3 (again)

2001-08-30 Thread Pryor, Ryan N
http://www.epitonic.com/files/reg/songs/mp3/Single_Cell_Orchestra-Days_End.m
p3


 Retry :)


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[313] detroit vibes track

2001-08-30 Thread selekta.com East Coast
http://selekta.com:880/ramgen/surestream/shawnrudiman/shenango/04_s
hawn-rudiman_shenango_detroit-vibes.rm


i just added real audio links to some of shawn rudiman's interview-
 thought you guys might like to hear this one- detroit vibes. 

the rest are here:

www.selekta.com/interviews/rudiman/



oh, and i  just put up some reviews by michael elliot-knight

http://www.selekta.com/reviews/recording/sieg-uber-die-sonne.asp

http://www.selekta.com/reviews/recording/atkins-legends-volume1.asp

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RE: [313] madonna

2001-08-30 Thread daweed
Yes, I remember seeing that 12, the cover was similar to the one in the LP. It 
might have come out just for europe. In fact, if it wasn't for the cover, I 
would't have guessed I't was a madonna remix (sounded like like slater though)


Mensaje citado por: Brian Dillard [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 at least one of the slater remixes was available on a commercial cd
 single.
 i think it was british but could have been e.u. or japan.
 
 brian
 
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 On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I don't know if it was in this list or in techno.ca, but I remember a
 long
  discussion thread about 2 years ago, when Luke Slater remixed
 Madonna...
 back
  then a lot of people said Luke had sold out. it seems things are
 different
 today
 
 Yes, it was quite a debate.
 Those remixes never made it to the public, only a few promos are around,
 right? Luke Slater was most likely _asked_ to make them, or maybe he
 offered them to Maverick...
 
  I also remember a discussion about UR / Sony affair..
 
 It's a bit of a different situation when a record ompany decides to
 release a cover version of your track without even asking your
 permission.
 
 
 
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Re: [313] new topic

2001-08-30 Thread janos
Favorite Livesets.



Aphex Twin  - Quant Festival / Kristiansand, Norway -97´
Super Collider - Sonar Festival / Barcelona, Spain -00´
Riche Hawtin - Lollipop festival / Stockholm, Sweden -95´
Innerzone Orchestra - Quant Festival / Kristiansand, Norway -97´
Cold Dust - Techstylism pt.2 / Stockholm, Sweden -01´
Orb - Roskilde Festival / Denmark -93´


// janos








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Re: [313] time trap teknik (was new order)

2001-08-30 Thread daweed


I just got a couple EPs by Mr.G and G Flame, both are tech-house dancefloor-
wise, but in my opinion, very groovy...specially the Aplpha:


G Flame Demand  Alpha
Mendo (Mr G Remixes)Everybody I Got Him Get Groovy


Mensaje citado por: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Easy, Colin quit a couple of years ago. The Advent is now just Cisco.
 Cisco's past is in engineering, he was with RS years ago working with
 the
 likes of CJ Bolland.

 something that i never quite understood. if you look on the liner
 notes,
 most of the tracks are credited to cisco ferreira only. anyone who has
 more insight on the way they worked together or could direct me to any
 interviews/articles?
 
 for the techno tracks, i agree. they definitely had more funk back
 than.
 but for the electro stuff...the release on electrix earlier this year
 is
 one of my favourite records of 2k1 so far. anyone know if there's any
 material comming out from the advent in the near future?
 
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Re: [313] ambient techno

2001-08-30 Thread robert.merlak
some nice recommendations so far, especially Brendan's and Jeff's...
i'll add some stuff from 93-96, because i feel happy when i write
down those albums :-)

synectics: purple universe (rephlex)  93
yoni: my little yoni (source)  94
velo cette: sonorities by starligh (reflective)  96
john beltran: 10 days of blue (peacefrog)  96
chimera: valley of the spirits (rephlex)  94
ismistik: remain (djax-up-beats)  94
leo anibaldi: muta (acv)  94
momomorph: alternative fluid (disturbance)  95
wagon christ: phat.lab nightmare (rising high)  94
as one: reflections (new electronica)  94
repeat: repeats (a13)  95
reagenz: reagenz (source/reflective)  94
sensorama: welcome insel (ladomat)  95
ro70: s/t (source)  95
freeform: elastic speakers (worm interface)  95
seed: vertical memory (beyond)  95
fred giannelli: telepathic romance (sahko)  96
x-asp: terra ferma (rephlex)  96
beaumont hannant: texturology (ltd.ed.2x12 with different trax) (gpr)  94
being: selected transmissions (emissions audio output)  96
bedouin ascent: science, art and ritual (rising high)  94
jochem paap: vrs-mbnt-pcs 9598 I and II (fax)  

and of newer stuff but in similar vein definitely those 2 :
bola: soup (skam)  98
aphelion: zugzwang (defocus)  01


best,
bye
rob


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RE: [313] live sets

2001-08-30 Thread james boylan


The Dopplereffekt and Ultradyne performances at the Eyes Only DEMF 2001 
after-party were both really special.


Inner City at DEMF too was greatlike everyone else is saying, Paris 
Grey's voice was sweet.


I saw Random Noise Generation the first time they played in Dublin and they 
were excellent...That was my first time to see a Detroit artist(s) play live 
so I was extra excited.



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[313] DE9 closer

2001-08-30 Thread Williams, Howard
Hi all

could someone tell what the track is on hawtin's DE9 - closer to the edit,
that kicks in at track 15 after 20 or so seconds (after a fadeout)? - great
bassline etci'm listening on a minidisc copied from original so don't
have track listing.

what labels are there putting this type of stuff out? 

thanks,

howard

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Re: [313] DE9 closer

2001-08-30 Thread T . J . Johnson
Hey Howard,

Is DE9 closer online anywhere that you know of?

Don't expect anything and you'll never be 
disappointed

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Re: [313] DE9 closer

2001-08-30 Thread T . J . Johnson
Oh wow!  How beautiful!  Thanks!

On Thu, 30 August 2001, stephen wrote:

 
 It's broken into seperate mp3's here enjoy :)
 
 http://saturn5.com/darwin/MP3/Richie_Hawtin-DE9_Closer_To_The_Edit-(Advance)-READ.NFO-2001-FSP
 
 /Steve
 
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  Is DE9 closer online anywhere that you know of?
  
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Re: [313] DE9 closer

2001-08-30 Thread Vince Woolums
Hello.

To my knowledge there is no 'track listing' per se, because of the nature of
the mix.  Lots of track titles are included as points of reference, but the
order in which they are listed is not the order in which they are played.
There is also nothing that subscribes to the traditional track-after-track
approach.  Bits of track recur at random times throughout the mix.

Makes sense, right?

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Subject: [313] DE9 closer


 Hi all

 could someone tell what the track is on hawtin's DE9 - closer to the edit,
 that kicks in at track 15 after 20 or so seconds (after a fadeout)? -
great
 bassline etci'm listening on a minidisc copied from original so don't
 have track listing.

 what labels are there putting this type of stuff out?

 thanks,

 howard

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[313] Live Set

2001-08-30 Thread DJ HEAT
T.B.C.  Tyree cooper at the old waherhouse in chicago.

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Re: [313] DE9 closer

2001-08-30 Thread dj revolver
after listening to closer to the edit i realized that 90% of it you may not 
recognize. you may recognize sounds and bass lines but everything is 
completely re-arranged. rich has taken snippets as small as one hi-hat hit 
and re-worked the entire mix. a great minimal listen, the louder the better 
too ;)


read:
http://de9.m-nus.com/index.html to understand how richie explains it.






From: Vince Woolums [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] DE9 closer
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 09:17:15 -0500

Hello.

To my knowledge there is no 'track listing' per se, because of the nature 
of

the mix.  Lots of track titles are included as points of reference, but the
order in which they are listed is not the order in which they are played.
There is also nothing that subscribes to the traditional track-after-track
approach.  Bits of track recur at random times throughout the mix.

Makes sense, right?

Vince Woolums
AOL IM: vincewoolums
http://jump.to/iowacityunderground

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Subject: [313] DE9 closer


 Hi all

 could someone tell what the track is on hawtin's DE9 - closer to the 
edit,

 that kicks in at track 15 after 20 or so seconds (after a fadeout)? -
great
 bassline etci'm listening on a minidisc copied from original so 
don't

 have track listing.

 what labels are there putting this type of stuff out?

 thanks,

 howard

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[313] track ID

2001-08-30 Thread daweed
anybody knows about a track with a vocal sample that says Play to the music 
or so, and a bossa-samba type guitar, all in a tango/siesta/maya style? 
somebody asked me today and I have no clue.

You can listen to the song in:

http://www.groovetech.com/PhoenixData/SilverStream/Pages/srvltRecMed?
RecordedMediaID=48120

from time 1:36:30 ahead

thanx in advance

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Re: [313] Live shows

2001-08-30 Thread T Mind
Thanks all for your choice for top ten . BMG WHERE ARE you have not heard 
your choices. I forgot about the strand show demf 2001 very musical live 
guitar and the cleanest sound Ive ever heard.





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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Live shows
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:14:36 +0100 (BST)

 The Dopplereffekt and Ultradyne performances at the
 Eyes Only DEMF 2001
 after-party were both really special.

I have to agree with you on this.

 Inner City at DEMF too was greatlike everyone
 else is saying, Paris
 Grey's voice was sweet.

and this!

Innerzone Orchestra - Lizard Festival, Cornwall.
Fantastic!

The Orb, Liverpool University. (not 313, but worth a
mention)
Spectacular live show!

Random Noise Generation, DEMF 2001.
Amazing!

New Order - Manchester (maybe not 313, but amazing)
Ooooh to hear Blue Monday (and the rest) live! :)

Strand and Shake - DEMF 2001
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Re: [313] Live shows

2001-08-30 Thread daweed
also not 313, St. Germain...no comments


 
 New Order - Manchester (maybe not 313, but amazing)
 Ooooh to hear Blue Monday (and the rest) live! :)
 
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[313] DE9

2001-08-30 Thread Williams, Howard
Blimey. Having listened to the mix through 4/5 times i've got to say it's
really very good, regardless of method. having read how it was put together
though is v interesting. i'd like to see him do it live though :)

and if anyone can identify which track the bassline loop that kicks in at
track ID 15 after about 20 secs is from, erm, they can have a spotter's
badge. if you hear the mix you'll know the bit i mean,

howard

Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:45:34 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
From: dj revolver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [313] DE9 closer
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

after listening to closer to the edit i realized that 90% of it you may not 
recognize. you may recognize sounds and bass lines but everything is 
completely re-arranged. rich has taken snippets as small as one hi-hat hit 
and re-worked the entire mix. a great minimal listen, the louder the better 
too ;)

read:
http://de9.m-nus.com/index.html to understand how richie explains it.

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Re: [313] DE9 closer id

2001-08-30 Thread Scotto
there is a track that comes in at 38:20 and one that comes in at 50:00 that
says discount dave or discount babe please id these

scotto

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Re: [313] DE9

2001-08-30 Thread T . J . Johnson
Not sure what it's called, but it sounds like the song that Jeff Mills mixed in 
with Work that Body on his liquid room mix (one of his self-produced tracks).


On Thu, 30 August 2001, Williams, Howard wrote:

 
 Blimey. Having listened to the mix through 4/5 times i've got to say it's
 really very good, regardless of method. having read how it was put together
 though is v interesting. i'd like to see him do it live though :)
 
 and if anyone can identify which track the bassline loop that kicks in at
 track ID 15 after about 20 secs is from, erm, they can have a spotter's
 badge. if you hear the mix you'll know the bit i mean,
 
 howard
 
 Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 10:45:34 -0400
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
 From: dj revolver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [313] DE9 closer
 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 after listening to closer to the edit i realized that 90% of it you may not 
 recognize. you may recognize sounds and bass lines but everything is 
 completely re-arranged. rich has taken snippets as small as one hi-hat hit 
 and re-worked the entire mix. a great minimal listen, the louder the better 
 too ;)
 
 read:
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[313] track id, lifefest

2001-08-30 Thread James Michael Bishop
rich has been playing this track with a trumpet. sounds like a spanish fight
song.  any ideas.  it has a good breakdown in it.

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Re: [313] track id, lifefest

2001-08-30 Thread scott mcgill
try Lego - Jazzmorphsis
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fight
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[313] Live shows

2001-08-30 Thread Ian
I'm a bit surprised no one mentioned the Metro Area set at the SereNgeti
Ballroom post DEMF.  Awesome tight sound and a beauty of a mid-tempo groove.
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Re: [313] It's no coincidence you know

2001-08-30 Thread Mad'R
It's funny you mention that 
I've seen that before 


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 http://www.garfield.com/comics/classics/ga901231.html
 
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[313] test.

2001-08-30 Thread scott mcgill
What is going on with this thing?  It won't let anything thru...


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RE: [313] Live shows

2001-08-30 Thread Rob Theakston
ahhh yes. indeed. wonderful wonderful show, but i thought this had to a
from Detroit only list.

and while i'm at it:

innerzone orchestra / motor
random noise generation / motor
inner city / demf 2001
bill van loo / demf 2000
dykehouse / whenever
recloose / motor
theorem / bob evans on woodward (7/01) or consumed (tie)
metro area / 7th city party 2001
common factor/ all access party
moodymann / all access party

and everyone who hasn't heard it, try and check out magda's mix cd. been
playing it
since the DEMF and hasn't left my home stereo system.





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I'm a bit surprised no one mentioned the Metro Area set at the SereNgeti
Ballroom post DEMF.  Awesome tight sound and a beauty of a mid-tempo groove.
--
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[313] Re:[313]New Topic - RNG

2001-08-30 Thread Spellman, Scott
Jason-

I was onstage taking pictures of RNG at the DEMF and it was totally live!
I'll send you my pictures privately from their set so you can check out
their gear.


-Scott




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Re: [313] Live shows

2001-08-30 Thread Dan Sicko
I would have ... I guess I kept my list to a stricter Detroit 
techno definition.


Morgan's solo live sets are among my faves as well.

-d


I'm a bit surprised no one mentioned the Metro Area set at the SereNgeti
Ballroom post DEMF.  Awesome tight sound and a beauty of a mid-tempo groove.
--
im


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[313] paging DJ Ben WU - delete

2001-08-30 Thread dj revolver

DJ Ben Wu... Where are you?




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RE: [313] DE9 closer id

2001-08-30 Thread Brian Dillard
one of the writers for my web site forwarded me a printout of an email from
richie's publicist that breaks down which tracks on the cd come from which
tracks in real life. for each cd track you get a list of 3,4,5 or 6
songs that contributed to it. it gives the full info on first reference,
then just artist and title each time it repeats. not sure whether this info
will be included in the liner notes. i will have her forward it to me and
forward to the list.

brian

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RE: [313] DE9 closer id

2001-08-30 Thread Jayson B.



then just artist and title each time it repeats. not sure whether this 
info will be included in the liner notes



due to copyrights, it'll have to be.


I listened to the cd once online (i was real icky about listening to it more 
than that, since i prefer to support the artists), and i really enjoyed it.  
The only track 'sample' i could pick out right away was spastik, and well, 
its hard to miss that one. It was a difficult cd to classify (as we humans 
love to do); deep at times, downtempo at times, house at times, but i don't 
remember any 'hard' moments. You can tell that hawtin has really gotten into 
using sonic foundry's ACID program.


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[313] OT - Paradigm Shift

2001-08-30 Thread Myke Mitchell
For anyone that is interested, I'm starting a new weekly, live web show 
tonight called 'Paradigm Shift' - basically consists of me spinning anything 
from hard techno down to dub over to house and everything inbetween - each 
show will bring something different.  Starts at 8pm tonight and you can tune 
in by going to: http://www.geocities.com/freshonlineca/index2.html
and click on the link to my show!  Any and all feedback is welcomed.  Thanks 
and hope you all tune in tonight!  Pieces.


MM




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Re: [313] DE9 closer id

2001-08-30 Thread Kao Jyan
when is the release date if it's not out already
kaojyan



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[313] furthur anyone?

2001-08-30 Thread miss lauryn g
i am well aware of the lack of 313 music at this event (but hey, i-f and
neil landstrumm are yum)...but is anyone going?

i will be there. if you want to catch me, look for camp rice and the white
trash christmas in july experience (you will know it when you see it, i
promise...my friends and i are going to be having a mad theme camp this
time around.)

see ya up there.
lauryn.


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RE: [313] DE9 closer id

2001-08-30 Thread Grammenos, Peter

Release date is the 17th of Sept. I believe. 

Quite a few Carl Craig/Innerzone Orchestra samples on here ... Interesting
listening. 

-Pete

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when is the release date if it's not out already
kaojyan



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RE: [313] DE9 closer id

2001-08-30 Thread Grammenos, Peter

Ah yes almost forgot to mention, he's doing an album release party @
centro-fly .. It's a tronic treatment event so should be a good crowd.

Sept 11:
RICHIE HAWTIN Special @ Centro Fly
DE9 Album release


-Pete


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Release date is the 17th of Sept. I believe. 

Quite a few Carl Craig/Innerzone Orchestra samples on here ... Interesting
listening. 

-Pete

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when is the release date if it's not out already
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Re: [313] DE9 closer

2001-08-30 Thread Leif Anderson
I thought that was the point of this release, to inspire volumes of mailing
list discussion attempting to catalogue all of the samples and loops that he
uses, and what track they came from. Gotta catch 'em all or somesuch thing.

The DE9 record reminds me a bit of the Minidisc project that Autechre did
under their Gescom alias. It was a collection of 88 small snippets of tracks
and samples that was intended to be played with the shuffle feature of your
Minidisc player. So each time you played the disc it would result in a new
listening experience.

I found the new DE9 to be very interesting. I can't say that it's my
favorite Hawtin record, but I definitely respect him for trying to take
Techno to that next level.

 Leif

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 Hello.

 To my knowledge there is no 'track listing' per se, because of the nature
of
 the mix.  Lots of track titles are included as points of reference, but
the
 order in which they are listed is not the order in which they are played.
 There is also nothing that subscribes to the traditional track-after-track
 approach.  Bits of track recur at random times throughout the mix.

 Makes sense, right?

 Vince Woolums
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2001-08-30 Thread Mxyzptlk
Anyone know the door charge tonight...or at what time Matthew will grace 
the stage? Thx.

jeff


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