[313] Trainwrecks/blue notes

[Wes]

A while back on the Global Techno list, Max Duley was talking about the
phenomenal energy Mills brought to the tables & clubs he played at in the
UK in 94-95, & how (like the Liquid Room cd), the mistakes simply
magnified the intensity of an already supercharged atmosphere.

Isn't a "trainwreck" in the hands of a Mills simply the techno equivalent
of a blue note (in jazz)? The skilled musician's imagination triumphs over
the technician's 'mistake' & converts it into a previously unknown sonic
form. Any slip always has the potential to be so much more in the right
hands. Chance + ingenuity = dynamic tension.

Wes



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Re: [313] record collection for sale online-hundreds of records

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Re: [313] agents of change

[Jonny McIntosh]

There were vital words and sentences missing from that email. I hope you got
the gist, though.

Jonny.

> I can't quite understand why fellow club-goers are getting the abuse for
> others not hearing the music. Surely that's the promoter's fault for [NOT]
turning
> the sound system up a bit. Maybe this is some strange cultural divide, but
I
> can't imagine going to a club in the UK and not being able to hear the DJ
> because of a conversation next to me. I know there was the recent ear plug
> thread. [This might explain US club volumes a bit.] [BUT] I am [STILL]
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Re: [313] agents of change

[Christian Bloch]

ahem... the second room at Motor??? way too quiet at the aril brikha
concert this summer... i was almost pressing myself against the speaker to
be able to hear just a little bit of what was going on (it was excellent by
the way). i can't understand why it was that quiet...

Christian Bloch
http://mp3.com/bloch
http://www.mp313.com/christianbloch.htm

Tresor/LL/Deep Night Essentials/Simple Muzik/Funque
Droppings/Set.Go/Restructured

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> I've never had that happen to me in detroit.
>
>
> they are always a bit TOO loud.
>
> -Joe
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> To: "Brian Dillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
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> > I can't quite understand why fellow club-goers are getting the abuse for
> > others not hearing the music. Surely that's the promoter's fault for
> turning
> > the sound system up a bit. Maybe this is some strange cultural divide,
but
> I
> > can't imagine going to a club in the UK and not being able to hear the
DJ
> > because of a conversation next to me. I know there was the recent ear
plug
> > thread. I am genuinely puzzled.
> >
> > Jonny.
> >
> > > personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed
to
> > > shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet.
> > maybe
> > > it's just me 
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Re: [313] some ebay auctions I've got

[Michael . Elliot-Knight]

Make sure you paste that other part on to get my auctions and not some
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Re: [313] agents of change/motor

[:)]

thats true, this was an anemic crowd to say the least.

I like the general vibe at the Motor..  people get down there :)   too bad
it didn't ever stay open past 2am :\

anyone know how late acquaviva plays there on new years?  do they ever make
an exception to the 2am closing time?  I was there ONCE when acquaviva
played until about 2:30, but I don't think thats common.  can they just
close the bar and keep playing?


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To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 6:49 PM
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> yak..yak..yak...blahblah.
>
> While I am certianly not the party gestapo by any stretch of the
imagination
> our music is distinguished from all others by its NAME!!
>
> DANCE music is just that.  Whether you throw some other descriptive term
at
> the front middle or back end of thatit is still about the DANCE!
>
> This is a generational thing, because for decades dance music has been
just
> that:  A CALL TO ACTION, for those seeking it out.  If one chooses to
watch
> from the sidelines, that is totally cool just mind the ONLY rule:  NO
> PARKING ON THE DANCEFLOOR!!!
>
> If you want to watch and bob your head, cool.  Just move to the side and
> quit f**king up the flow for those of us there for serious activity.
Small
> wonder there was no vibe at this gig--with hundreds of dullards parked in
> front of these artists selfishly sucking it up.
>
> I was at this event and was appalled by the vapidity of the crowd.  I've
> been to perhaps thousands of parties much like this and never was a lack
of
> SYMBIOSIS more apparent due to the lack of soul in the crowd.
>
> Dance music PARTIES--clubs/festivals are highly social because of what
they
> are designed around---DANCING!!
>
> As far as the not being able to hear thingy...that just means the system
was
> crap.  If the system is bumpin' you should not only be able to dance,
stand
> about or holla, converse, kiss and rub against each other with very little
> stress AND STILL HEAR THE MUSIC , not just beats.
>
> If you can't get with this program in a mind- body- soul expanding
mindset,
> go to a bar/cafe or a friend's house and listen to a good mix on cd.
>
> ovah and out
>
>
> >From: Brian Dillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: 313@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: RE: [313] agents of change
> >Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:52:12 -0800
> >
> >i find this whole thread about dancing/not dancing and talking/not
talking
> >to be very interesting because it gets at people's entire conception
about
> >what a party should be. there's the classic "concert" conception of a
> >musical event where the audience is supposed to stare at the performers
and
> >move only within the confines of the small space they have staked out for
> >themselves. then there is the "nightclub/rave" conception which is all
> >about
> >movement and interaction with other members of the audience and
> >emphatically
> >NOT about sitting there staring at the musicians.
> >
> >personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed to
> >shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet.
> >maybe
> >it's just me 
> >
> >i would never get up on stage in front of a musician during a PA, but i
see
> >no problem with talking to your friends, dancing, trainspotting, or
> >engaging
> >in any other activity at a club-style event ... unless perhaps your
> >activities result in skipping needles, unplugged equipment or the like.
(i
> >have a friend who once sat down underneath a stage and plunged an entire
> >room of a london club [turnmills] into blackness by sitting on a power
> >cord.
> >oops!)
> >
> >now that live electronic performances have become more widespread,
however,
> >different show-behavior ideologies seem to be competing within the same
> >event. my favorite example of this EVER was at a stereolab/mouse on mars
> >gig
> >in '97 in chicago when the sweater-rock crowd just ... STOOD there,
gawking
> >at the wacky germans dancing around and diddling their machines onstage.
> >they literally had NO idea how to loosen up or dance or have a good time.
> >it
> >was hilarious.
> >
> >--brian
> >
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> >From: Paul Jenvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:56 PM
> >To: :); 313@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: Re: [313] agents of change
> >
> >
> >Since you've told me that both you are a cool behind the scenes musician,
> >AND
> >that you've been around since 1997 AD, I'll have to concede.  You've
pulled
> >rank.  You are way too old school.  I give up, ok?  It was a really good
> >party
> >
> >":)" wrote:
> >
> > > ok.  first off, the venue was NOT packed.  it was close, but there was
> > > PLENTY of room 

[313] some ebay auctions I've got

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RE: [313] agents of change

[R.Y.Fixer]

and those of you who don't know Laura, this woman KNOWS, and her dancing
is indeed serious activity!  One of the people I truly miss from
Detroit...


On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 18:49, laura gavoor wrote:

> If you want to watch and bob your head, cool.  Just move to the side and 
> quit f**king up the flow for those of us there for serious activity.  Small 
> wonder there was no vibe at this gig--with hundreds of dullards parked in 
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RE: [313] agents of change

[laura gavoor]

yak..yak..yak...blahblah.

While I am certianly not the party gestapo by any stretch of the imagination 
our music is distinguished from all others by its NAME!!


DANCE music is just that.  Whether you throw some other descriptive term at 
the front middle or back end of thatit is still about the DANCE!


This is a generational thing, because for decades dance music has been just 
that:  A CALL TO ACTION, for those seeking it out.  If one chooses to watch 
from the sidelines, that is totally cool just mind the ONLY rule:  NO 
PARKING ON THE DANCEFLOOR!!!


If you want to watch and bob your head, cool.  Just move to the side and 
quit f**king up the flow for those of us there for serious activity.  Small 
wonder there was no vibe at this gig--with hundreds of dullards parked in 
front of these artists selfishly sucking it up.


I was at this event and was appalled by the vapidity of the crowd.  I've 
been to perhaps thousands of parties much like this and never was a lack of 
SYMBIOSIS more apparent due to the lack of soul in the crowd.


Dance music PARTIES--clubs/festivals are highly social because of what they 
are designed around---DANCING!!


As far as the not being able to hear thingy...that just means the system was 
crap.  If the system is bumpin' you should not only be able to dance, stand 
about or holla, converse, kiss and rub against each other with very little 
stress AND STILL HEAR THE MUSIC , not just beats.


If you can't get with this program in a mind- body- soul expanding mindset, 
go to a bar/cafe or a friend's house and listen to a good mix on cd.


ovah and out



From: Brian Dillard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] agents of change
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 09:52:12 -0800

i find this whole thread about dancing/not dancing and talking/not talking
to be very interesting because it gets at people's entire conception about
what a party should be. there's the classic "concert" conception of a
musical event where the audience is supposed to stare at the performers and
move only within the confines of the small space they have staked out for
themselves. then there is the "nightclub/rave" conception which is all 
about
movement and interaction with other members of the audience and 
emphatically

NOT about sitting there staring at the musicians.

personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed to
shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet. 
maybe

it's just me 

i would never get up on stage in front of a musician during a PA, but i see
no problem with talking to your friends, dancing, trainspotting, or 
engaging

in any other activity at a club-style event ... unless perhaps your
activities result in skipping needles, unplugged equipment or the like. (i
have a friend who once sat down underneath a stage and plunged an entire
room of a london club [turnmills] into blackness by sitting on a power 
cord.

oops!)

now that live electronic performances have become more widespread, however,
different show-behavior ideologies seem to be competing within the same
event. my favorite example of this EVER was at a stereolab/mouse on mars 
gig

in '97 in chicago when the sweater-rock crowd just ... STOOD there, gawking
at the wacky germans dancing around and diddling their machines onstage.
they literally had NO idea how to loosen up or dance or have a good time. 
it

was hilarious.

--brian

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Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:56 PM
To: :); 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] agents of change


Since you've told me that both you are a cool behind the scenes musician,
AND
that you've been around since 1997 AD, I'll have to concede.  You've pulled
rank.  You are way too old school.  I give up, ok?  It was a really good
party

":)" wrote:

> ok.  first off, the venue was NOT packed.  it was close, but there was
> PLENTY of room to dance.  I for one did not dance, but if I am paying 35
> bux, its my own damn business if I want to dance, stand or lay down and
take
> a damn nap.  I personally don't gawk at musicians because I know how
> annoying it is to be them, with people standing around staring at your
gear.
> a lot of people seem to forget that the DJ is not the party, they only
> augment the gathering of people with music in which the collective share
> common taste.
>
> I for one was wondering why the venue was NOT packed...  probably had
> something to do with the detroit police that were standing by.  :\
>
> anyone who saw aphex twin in pontiac in um, '97 would know what I am 
using

> as a reference point when speaking of packed venues...
>
> no flames plz
>
> 
> -Joe
>
> --
>R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast.
> --
> - Original Message 

Re: [313] agents of change

[:)]

I've never had that happen to me in detroit.


they are always a bit TOO loud.

-Joe

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To: "Brian Dillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [313] agents of change


> I can't quite understand why fellow club-goers are getting the abuse for
> others not hearing the music. Surely that's the promoter's fault for
turning
> the sound system up a bit. Maybe this is some strange cultural divide, but
I
> can't imagine going to a club in the UK and not being able to hear the DJ
> because of a conversation next to me. I know there was the recent ear plug
> thread. I am genuinely puzzled.
>
> Jonny.
>
> > personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed to
> > shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet.
> maybe
> > it's just me 
>
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Re: [313] agents of change

[Jonny McIntosh]

I can't quite understand why fellow club-goers are getting the abuse for
others not hearing the music. Surely that's the promoter's fault for turning
the sound system up a bit. Maybe this is some strange cultural divide, but I
can't imagine going to a club in the UK and not being able to hear the DJ
because of a conversation next to me. I know there was the recent ear plug
thread. I am genuinely puzzled.

Jonny.

> personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed to
> shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet.
maybe
> it's just me 



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RE: [313] agents of change

[Brian Dillard]

i find this whole thread about dancing/not dancing and talking/not talking
to be very interesting because it gets at people's entire conception about
what a party should be. there's the classic "concert" conception of a
musical event where the audience is supposed to stare at the performers and
move only within the confines of the small space they have staked out for
themselves. then there is the "nightclub/rave" conception which is all about
movement and interaction with other members of the audience and emphatically
NOT about sitting there staring at the musicians.

personally, if i wanted to go to a musical event where i was supposed to
shut up, sit still and listen politely, i'd go hear a chamber quartet. maybe
it's just me 

i would never get up on stage in front of a musician during a PA, but i see
no problem with talking to your friends, dancing, trainspotting, or engaging
in any other activity at a club-style event ... unless perhaps your
activities result in skipping needles, unplugged equipment or the like. (i
have a friend who once sat down underneath a stage and plunged an entire
room of a london club [turnmills] into blackness by sitting on a power cord.
oops!)

now that live electronic performances have become more widespread, however,
different show-behavior ideologies seem to be competing within the same
event. my favorite example of this EVER was at a stereolab/mouse on mars gig
in '97 in chicago when the sweater-rock crowd just ... STOOD there, gawking
at the wacky germans dancing around and diddling their machines onstage.
they literally had NO idea how to loosen up or dance or have a good time. it
was hilarious.

--brian

-Original Message-
From: Paul Jenvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:56 PM
To: :); 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] agents of change


Since you've told me that both you are a cool behind the scenes musician,
AND
that you've been around since 1997 AD, I'll have to concede.  You've pulled
rank.  You are way too old school.  I give up, ok?  It was a really good
party

":)" wrote:

> ok.  first off, the venue was NOT packed.  it was close, but there was
> PLENTY of room to dance.  I for one did not dance, but if I am paying 35
> bux, its my own damn business if I want to dance, stand or lay down and
take
> a damn nap.  I personally don't gawk at musicians because I know how
> annoying it is to be them, with people standing around staring at your
gear.
> a lot of people seem to forget that the DJ is not the party, they only
> augment the gathering of people with music in which the collective share
> common taste.
>
> I for one was wondering why the venue was NOT packed...  probably had
> something to do with the detroit police that were standing by.  :\
>
> anyone who saw aphex twin in pontiac in um, '97 would know what I am using
> as a reference point when speaking of packed venues...
>
> no flames plz
>
> 
> -Joe
>
> --
>R17 is not a fixed velocity, but it is clearly far too fast.
> --
> - Original Message -
> From: "TJ Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [313] agents of change
>
> > Please don't tell me that you were that guy!  The tall, blonde-haired
guy
> at
> > the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf  saying, "Geez!
Why
> is
> > no one dancing!?"  Then turning around and not dancing yourself.  I
really
> > hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you were
> just
> > tearing it up and cutting a rug.
> >
> > To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques.  Once in a
> > while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but
to
> > move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part
(I
> > hate to dissappoint you, but...)  I was watching, admiring, and learning
> > from a true innovator.
> >
> > And, to further add to my list of reasons why people werent moving at
the
> > front, it was friggin packed!  How could anyone even move, let alone
> dance!
> > We were shoulder to shoulder.  People were tearing it up 10-20 feet
back.
> >
> > That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want to
> > watch the artist.  Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same
> time!
> >
> >
> > TJ Johnson
> > www.wireframerecords.com
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <313@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM
> > Subject: [313] agents of change
> >
> >
> > > Well, what did everyone else think of the party?
> > >
> > > I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd
> was
> > almost unattentive..  My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the front
> > around 3:30 when Jeff went on,

[313] Other People Places (warp)

[kenneth taylor]

hey all-

does anyone have any idea of who is behind the Other People Places disc on 
Warp.  It's great, btw.  any info on the record would be helpful.


cheers!

ken

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Re: [313] agents of change?

[armin holzgethan]

what's all this narcissistic squabble over the audience?
discuss the music!
or is there nothing to discuss about it anymore?
well, then...


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[313] record collection for sale online-hundreds of records

[Peter Leidy]

Hi All,

This is the second batch of records I am selling from my collection.
Please visit: http://www.cozidesign.com/records/
There are some 500 records for sale.
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This time there is a 10% discount over 55$ on first time orders (up to
10$)

There are the following categories (some of the labels/artists you will
find):

-Electro-oldschool-italo (Ersatz, Viewlex, IT, Gigolo,Cybotron...)
-House/Tech-House (Bomb, Perlon, Playhouse, Drop, Environ, Versatile,
KMS...)
-Misc/Pop/Rock (Eno, Caberet Voltaire, Blondie, Bowie, Gang of Four, ESG,
Iggy...)
-Techno (Klang, Planet E, Kompakt, Kanleramt, Metroplex, R&S, Clear,
Transmat, Trax, Basic Channel...)
-HipHop (Dr. Dre, Biz Markie, Sugarhill, D'angelo, KRS, Tribe, Pharcyde,
Slick Rick...)
-Lounge/World/Jazz (Tony Allen, Herb Alpert, Serge Gainsbourg,Jorge
Ben...)
-80's (Mary Jane Girls, Mantronix, Laid Back, Was Not Was, Wee Papa Girls,
Liquid Liquid, Prince, Tom Tom Club...)
-Soul/Funk/Disco (Bohannan, Roy Ayers, Salsoul, Cerrone, Zapp, Parliament,
Earth Wind & Fire, MFSB, Loft...)
-Electronic (Warp, Astralwerks,Lifelike,Ninja tune)
-Info (my contact info, shipping, condition key, costs etc)

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[313] Rock to the Beat!

[FC3 Richards]

Definately Kevin Saunderson...you can get it on the Faces and Phases CD and
on the Rock to the Beat record that was just repressed by KMS.  I just
managed to pick one up a couple of weeks ago.

jeff

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> Subject:  RE: [313] Speaking of Jeff van dyke...
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> | oh yea he played tons of great track including sharivari and 
> | an old acid
> | house tune which says "rock to the beat" (who does that track?).
> 
> It might be Reece (Kevin Saunderson), on KMS from 1987, unless it was
> another acid track with a similar sample...
> 
> Brendan
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Re: [313] agents of change?

[Gary_Girard]

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Spot - on comment!

Any DJ would rather see the crowd dancing than standing there watching them
- the whole point of being a DJ is to get the crowd dancing!




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[313] mp313

[Phonopsia]

http://www.mp313.com is now live!

Since mp3.com went money-mad in March, a dedicated group of
313@hyperreal.org and 313TechKnow members have been working our asses off to
create an alternative to the mess you presently see at mp3.com and ampcast.
Our primary focus is on Detroit techno and its derivatives, with occasional
drifting into other forms of electronic music. All of the mp313 artists are
members of at least one of the two aforementioned communities, and have
funded the effort jointly out of our own pockets. We have contributors from
Australia, continental Europe, the UK and across America. We have guided the
direction of the site jointly to try and provide a high content, reliable
experience geared solely towards your listening pleasure. There are no fees
to listen to or download the music at mp313.com, no advertisements and we
make no attempt to invade your private lives.

We provide lo-fi streaming m3u's for the bandwidth impaired (like myself)
and hi-fi (128Kbps) mp3 downloads of all songs. FYI: you may encounter
problems streaming at high bitrate with a number of people visiting the site
at launch, so I strongly encourage you to *download* hi-bitrate files (or
deal with buffering). The 32Kbps streams should work reliably if we're all
friendly to each other in this regard. :)

As an introduction to the site, I made an hour-long CD mix of some of our
tracks, encoded in mp3. All of the songs are available exclusively on
mp313.com. Vinyl's more fun, but how often do you hear a mix of entirely
unreleased material? Here's the tracklist:

WW - What If? (No Mercy Dub)
Kataconda - Biological Rhythm 02
Zog - Ether 1 160
Mehall - Free Your Mind
Zarathustra - Proffit
Daedau - Rainy Day
Phonopsia - Simplex
Christian Bloch - Rest
Christian Bloch - Gerontophobia
Daedau - Multiple
Kataconda - Biological Rhythm 12
Kevin Conrad - Rephlux
Wraith - Spontaneous Combustion
Phonopsia - Ape & Bone
Christian Bloch - Ho

Additionally, most of us have held off from promoting our own material for
the last six months, and some of us are uploading new songs for the first
time. You can hear the debut of a number of new songs on each artists page.

Please let me know if you have any comments, suggestions, feedback, etc. Our
aim is to please our listeners, so our ears are wide open. Now that the site
is done, you can anticipate more new songs consistently, and new mp313 mixes
from mp313 artists. I will send periodic updates on new efforts and
developments within our community. Until then, enjoy!

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Re: [313] agents of change?

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"Mediocre" , "Train - Wrecks" - these are not terms you expect to hear when
talking about two Detroit legends, DJs that are regarded amongst the best
in the world.
 If I go out to hear a DJ with a big reputation the last thing I expect or
want to hear are "train - wrecks" (I hope this means what I think it means
- clashing beats! :o)
 The selection is the most important thing but I love hearing a great
selection mixed to a high standard - the standard you'd expect from a world
- class DJ.
I've said it before but I'll say it it again anyway - this is why I rate
Dave Clarke as the best DJ I've heard. The energy he creates from his
selection is second to none, as is the skill with which he mixes /
scratches / chops between two copies etc. A Dave.C set is value for money
every time - the crowd will always be dancing!



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Re: [313] agents of change

[Mxyzptlk]

I guess it's a bit rich to expect everyone to be quiet at a club, I
mean everyone has the right to conversation, but sometimes it really
detracts from the moment when you can hear music AND a bazillion
conversations.


I guess I would qualify the above by saying that paying patrons also have a 
right to be able to hear what they have *paid* to hear.
It's not that I would argue against the need and propriety of talking to 
people, it's that one should be able to expect that it's done with some 
semblance of respect to other people - and that, precisely, is the crux : 
we're talking about people who don't consider past their own momentary 
impulses regardless of the context. While I wouldn't expect others to react 
exactly as I do or have the same concept of what might be intrusive to 
others, some modicum of empathy for the persons around you isn't too much 
to ask IMO.

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[313] FA: goodies @ eBay SCHEMATIC/CHLT IND/AS ONE...

[P.L. Palse (AXION Software)]

Just a quick one to point you to :

http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewListedItems&userid=cybotron

Selling some more IDM and Detroit goodies!

Greetings,

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[313] Hot Lizard-the theme + CC's AFT

[Mann, Ravinder [CCS]]

The Theme and an other Hot Lizard Track was feathered the compilation.

The First Wave : VA : Pacific Records 94-97 : CDFIC001

And yes a lot of the tracks were very tech housey, but also included a couple
of 313 tech ppl too. I am at work so cant check track listing...

Also finally managed to get my hands on the Carl Craig Abstract Funk Theory
compilation...I doubt many of the originals are of these tracks are still in 
print
so CC has done us a huge favour and compiled them onto CD. includes rarities
such as Shari Vari - ANON's, Alleys of your Mind - Cybotron, Forcefield - R+S,
and many many more. For a slice of electro/techno history and influences BUY 
THIS
ON SIGHT !!!

Rav


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> Subject:  Re: [313] Hot Lizard-the theme
> 
> afraid the info i have is limited. the duo behind hot lizard were 
> responsible for the british label pacific, which is now, unfortunately, 
> defunct. artists such as ian o'brien, sunrise society, charles webster and 
> sterac recorded for the label. melodic, deep techno was their bag, but i 
> suppose people would now call it 'tech-house' (in fact, 'the theme' - the 
> original version - is now considered a tech-house classic). 'the theme' 
> double pack has remixes by carl craig (which he put on his dj kicks cd), 
> charles webster and mark broom. the original, imo, ain't up to much, but 
> craig's mix is amazing (all 11 minutes of it). wally's grooveworld in 
> belgium had copies of it (think they still do). hope that helps.
> 
> 
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> >To: 313@hyperreal.org
> >Subject: [313] Hot Lizard-the theme
> >Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 05:48:55 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >I heard "the theme" by Hot lizard on the Carl craig dj
> >kicks cd and liked it...
> >
> >Just wanted to know about hot lizard in general?
> >
> >Thanx
> >
> >Sam
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Re: [313] agents of change

[Dave Clark]

WORD!

When Isolee came to town a few weeks ago, he came on to almost no
audience reaction at all and everyone around me was yammering away at
the top of their voices. I felt like shouting at the crowd "Everyone,
please shut up!" so I could actually hear what was happening (it was an
amazing live set). Then someone had the temerity to stand IN FRONT of
isolee on the stage and have a conversation with his girlfriend, right
in the middle of the live set. Luckily I calmed down enough to just ask
him politely to please step aside (not what I originally had in mind).

I guess it's a bit rich to expect everyone to be quiet at a club, I
mean everyone has the right to conversation, but sometimes it really
detracts from the moment when you can hear music AND a bazillion
conversations. 

-Dave

ps To those who think I am being snobbish or whatever, just think of
this: These people have flown thousands of kilometers (probably) and
gone to a lot of effort to put on a show. The promoters have forked out
a fair bit to get it all together. Each person there has paid X
dollars, presumably for some fun and hopefully (but not necessarily)
because they want to see what these guys have to offer. 

--- Mxyzptlk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> perspective. I would rather see all of the energy devoted to the 
> dance/don't dance
> wars directed towards the people who insist on talking and talking
> loudly 
> during any kind of public event. When I saw Herbert down at Motor in 
> Detroit last summer I was (as usual) not happy when the crowd din
> would 
> overwhelm the music at points. I've often wondered why people want to
> pay 
> the price of admission and see how loudly they can NOT pay any
> attention to 
> the stage when this can just as easily be accomplished at a bowling
> alley 
> or corner bar with ostensibly less annoyance to others and no cover
> charge 
> for the perps.
>  
>jeff


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[313] re:moodymans catwalk

[R - Type]

moodymans tracks seem to be popular on the catwalk circuit as i recently heard 
flicking through channels the other day. fashion TV!!


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[313][Fwd: DJ T-1000 in NYC]

[phono_funk]

For the 313 NYCer's...and from the way Alan's appearance at Motor this 
past Friday turned out...its a "can't" miss!



ph0n0funk

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Just a quick note to let you know that Alan Oldham aka DJ T-1000 (Pure Sonik 
Records Detroit) will be making a rare NYC DJ appearance on Monday Dec. 10th 
at Christian Smith's world-famous Tronic Treatment night at Guernica, 25 
Avenue B, New York City fresh from appearances in Universal Island in Spain, 
Sonar in Malta and Motor in Detroit so prepare to get rocked. It's free, so 
no excuses ! Hope to see you there !


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Re: [313] agents of change

[Paul Jenvey]

Since you've told me that both you are a cool behind the scenes musician, AND
that you've been around since 1997 AD, I'll have to concede.  You've pulled
rank.  You are way too old school.  I give up, ok?  It was a really good
party

":)" wrote:

> ok.  first off, the venue was NOT packed.  it was close, but there was
> PLENTY of room to dance.  I for one did not dance, but if I am paying 35
> bux, its my own damn business if I want to dance, stand or lay down and take
> a damn nap.  I personally don't gawk at musicians because I know how
> annoying it is to be them, with people standing around staring at your gear.
> a lot of people seem to forget that the DJ is not the party, they only
> augment the gathering of people with music in which the collective share
> common taste.
>
> I for one was wondering why the venue was NOT packed...  probably had
> something to do with the detroit police that were standing by.  :\
>
> anyone who saw aphex twin in pontiac in um, '97 would know what I am using
> as a reference point when speaking of packed venues...
>
> no flames plz
>
> 
> -Joe
>
> --
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> From: "TJ Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [313] agents of change
>
> > Please don't tell me that you were that guy!  The tall, blonde-haired guy
> at
> > the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf  saying, "Geez!  Why
> is
> > no one dancing!?"  Then turning around and not dancing yourself.  I really
> > hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you were
> just
> > tearing it up and cutting a rug.
> >
> > To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques.  Once in a
> > while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but to
> > move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part (I
> > hate to dissappoint you, but...)  I was watching, admiring, and learning
> > from a true innovator.
> >
> > And, to further add to my list of reasons why people werent moving at the
> > front, it was friggin packed!  How could anyone even move, let alone
> dance!
> > We were shoulder to shoulder.  People were tearing it up 10-20 feet back.
> >
> > That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want to
> > watch the artist.  Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same
> time!
> >
> >
> > TJ Johnson
> > www.wireframerecords.com
> >
> >
> >
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> > From: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <313@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM
> > Subject: [313] agents of change
> >
> >
> > > Well, what did everyone else think of the party?
> > >
> > > I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd
> was
> > almost unattentive..  My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the front
> > around 3:30 when Jeff went on, and we were astounded at the number of
> people
> > just standing around.  I felt as if I was gathered around an accident
> scene,
> > with everyone leaned in & rubbernecking, pointing cameras, but otherwise
> > giving no indication that there was *music* at the party.  After the joint
> > got cleared out, it was obvious that there was a core of people really
> > enjoying the music, but earlier in the evening I was talking with some guy
> &
> > we decided that we knew why Jeff Mills doesn't play Detroit
> > > too often...
> > >
> > > -P
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Re: [313] events in DC

[Phonopsia]

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Subject: [313] events in DC


> Does anyone know of anything exciting happening at Buzz, or anywhere else
in
> DC for that matter, the weekend of December 7 (which happens to be
> approximately a week and a half from today)?  I'll be staying with a good
> friend until Sunday and would love to take advantage of whatever may be on
> the menu.  Also, any recommendations for music stores that supply an
> adequate share of techno?  Thanks for your input.
>
> Rusty

Here's the lineup for the 7th from the Buzz website:

http://www.buzzdc.com/buzzdc/page.cfm?pg=events&datex=12/07/01

It's pretty much a standard Buzz lineup. However, I hear there were busts @
Buzz last Friday, and the Ultraworld party on Saturday and The Edge on
Saturday. So... there may be no liquor @ Buzz (if that matters to you). I
would recommend avoiding the place personally. The vibe is generally pretty
thin.

Good things (IMO) to do on Friday's in DC these days include DJ Oji and DJ
Pope @ Vicki's Sanctuary, Mandrill @ Marx Cafe (one of my favorite places
these days), Red (often featuring one or the other of the 95 North cats) and
a few other smaller joints. All this is deep house at its deepest of course,
but that's the lifeblood of DC. If you're looking for techno, you're likely
out of luck unless you can wait around for The Blue Room on Sunday, which is
a Mille Plateaux affiliated event. You also may want to stop down @
Metatrack Studios http://www.metatrackstudios.com early in the evening to
check out the scene down there. A lot of us instructors are techno DJs, and
often spin in the studios on Friday nights until 10ish. It's a good place to
stop and get the lowdown for the evening. I can probably fill in any holes
offline if you'd like. :)

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[313] agents of change

[Scott Richards Macinnis]

Yeah, good turnout, but  the energy was gone.

I guess this has something to do with the fact that the DJ is just a person and
equally effected by the mood and tone of an atmosphere.  I know that I play
better when the crowd is into it.  I also play better when I'm into it, so
maybe that says something else.

At any rate, there were at least two distinct points in the evening when Mills
looked at Derrick May and made a couple of motions and gestures to suggest that
no one was really into it.  Truth be told, I definitely was not into it.  I
guess that I'm just too into what he's doing to be into the trax alone.  I
still remember when DJing became the reason I don't listen to a lot of DJs.  I
love the music, but I cannot seem to shell out good money to listen to sub-par
DJs.

May was good, for a 3 hour set.  I would have rather heard one great hour than
the 3 mediocre hours that I did till Mills was on.
Mills was good, but also for a long set.  Really unimpressive, a very
lack-luster performance.  DJ skills and technique, yeah, he moves his hands
like he's got Parkinson's, but that's his style.

I don't know, I've never left a Mills set early till last Thursday night.ook up
to to a higher standard.

SRM



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Re: [313] agents of change

[Paul Jenvey]

TJ Johnson wrote:

> Please don't tell me that you were that guy!  The tall, blonde-haired guy at
> the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf  saying, "Geez!  Why is
> no one dancing!?"  Then turning around and not dancing yourself.  I really
> hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you were just
> tearing it up and cutting a rug.
>

Woah, now... you have the wrong cat.. I'm so short, you'd have probably needed
to be that guy to see me   :)



>
> To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques.  Once in a
> while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but to
> move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part (I
> hate to dissappoint you, but...)  I was watching, admiring, and learning
> from a true innovator.
>

For sure, his technique was worth watching.  His wrists move so fast over the
mixer that you need to watch closely, and I cant say I've ever seen anyone
manipulate a record as successfully as he did, using a fingertip on the edge &
flicking his wrist forward & back.   Props on that for sure..

As far as the dancing thing, I dont care if people dance or not, my point was
that the venue, for a while, seemed to be lacking an important aspect of a party
: people having (or, at least appearing to have) fun.  enjoy the music how you
will ,I was simply pointing out that I counted alot of long faces & mindless
stares

>
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> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM
> Subject: [313] agents of change
>
> > Well, what did everyone else think of the party?
> >
> > I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd was
> almost unattentive..  My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the front
> around 3:30 when Jeff went on, and we were astounded at the number of people
> just standing around.  I felt as if I was gathered around an accident scene,
> with everyone leaned in & rubbernecking, pointing cameras, but otherwise
> giving no indication that there was *music* at the party.  After the joint
> got cleared out, it was obvious that there was a core of people really
> enjoying the music, but earlier in the evening I was talking with some guy &
> we decided that we knew why Jeff Mills doesn't play Detroit
> > too often...
> >
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RE: [313] agents of change

[Grammenos, Peter]

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From: Holly MacDonald-Korth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 5:38 PM
To: 'Mxyzptlk'; 313@hyperreal.org
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 Mxyzptlk wrote:
> Some people simply don't dance and  it is NOT a crime. 
> Some people DO and that is not a crime, either 

unless you are in NYC


PG> I'm happy to report NYC is now dance friendly ;)!!! Ever since 9/11 that
is... 


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[TJ Johnson]

oh sorry, let me clarify for the analysts ;)

It was packed at the front.  There definately was room to dance 10-20 feet
back.


TJ Johnson
www.wireframerecords.com

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> ok.  first off, the venue was NOT packed.  it was close, but there was
> PLENTY of room to dance.  I for one did not dance, but if I am paying 35
> bux, its my own damn business if I want to dance, stand or lay down and
take
> a damn nap.  I personally don't gawk at musicians because I know how
> annoying it is to be them, with people standing around staring at your
gear.
> a lot of people seem to forget that the DJ is not the party, they only
> augment the gathering of people with music in which the collective share
> common taste.
>
> I for one was wondering why the venue was NOT packed...  probably had
> something to do with the detroit police that were standing by.  :\
>
> anyone who saw aphex twin in pontiac in um, '97 would know what I am using
> as a reference point when speaking of packed venues...
>
>
> no flames plz
>
> 
> -Joe
>
> --
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> - Original Message -
> From: "TJ Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [313] agents of change
>
>
> > Please don't tell me that you were that guy!  The tall, blonde-haired
guy
> at
> > the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf  saying, "Geez!
Why
> is
> > no one dancing!?"  Then turning around and not dancing yourself.  I
really
> > hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you were
> just
> > tearing it up and cutting a rug.
> >
> > To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques.  Once in a
> > while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but
to
> > move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part
(I
> > hate to dissappoint you, but...)  I was watching, admiring, and learning
> > from a true innovator.
> >
> > And, to further add to my list of reasons why people werent moving at
the
> > front, it was friggin packed!  How could anyone even move, let alone
> dance!
> > We were shoulder to shoulder.  People were tearing it up 10-20 feet
back.
> >
> > That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want to
> > watch the artist.  Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same
> time!
> >
> >
> > TJ Johnson
> > www.wireframerecords.com
> >
> >
> >
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> > From: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <313@hyperreal.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM
> > Subject: [313] agents of change
> >
> >
> > > Well, what did everyone else think of the party?
> > >
> > > I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd
> was
> > almost unattentive..  My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the front
> > around 3:30 when Jeff went on, and we were astounded at the number of
> people
> > just standing around.  I felt as if I was gathered around an accident
> scene,
> > with everyone leaned in & rubbernecking, pointing cameras, but otherwise
> > giving no indication that there was *music* at the party.  After the
joint
> > got cleared out, it was obvious that there was a core of people really
> > enjoying the music, but earlier in the evening I was talking with some
guy
> &
> > we decided that we knew why Jeff Mills doesn't play Detroit
> > > too often...
> > >
> > > -P
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[Holly MacDonald-Korth]

 Mxyzptlk wrote:
> Some people simply don't dance and  it is NOT a crime. 
> Some people DO and that is not a crime, either 

unless you are in NYC


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[:)]

ok.  first off, the venue was NOT packed.  it was close, but there was
PLENTY of room to dance.  I for one did not dance, but if I am paying 35
bux, its my own damn business if I want to dance, stand or lay down and take
a damn nap.  I personally don't gawk at musicians because I know how
annoying it is to be them, with people standing around staring at your gear.
a lot of people seem to forget that the DJ is not the party, they only
augment the gathering of people with music in which the collective share
common taste.

I for one was wondering why the venue was NOT packed...  probably had
something to do with the detroit police that were standing by.  :\

anyone who saw aphex twin in pontiac in um, '97 would know what I am using
as a reference point when speaking of packed venues...


no flames plz


-Joe

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From: "TJ Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: [313] agents of change


> Please don't tell me that you were that guy!  The tall, blonde-haired guy
at
> the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf  saying, "Geez!  Why
is
> no one dancing!?"  Then turning around and not dancing yourself.  I really
> hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you were
just
> tearing it up and cutting a rug.
>
> To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques.  Once in a
> while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but to
> move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part (I
> hate to dissappoint you, but...)  I was watching, admiring, and learning
> from a true innovator.
>
> And, to further add to my list of reasons why people werent moving at the
> front, it was friggin packed!  How could anyone even move, let alone
dance!
> We were shoulder to shoulder.  People were tearing it up 10-20 feet back.
>
> That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want to
> watch the artist.  Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same
time!
>
>
> TJ Johnson
> www.wireframerecords.com
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <313@hyperreal.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM
> Subject: [313] agents of change
>
>
> > Well, what did everyone else think of the party?
> >
> > I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd
was
> almost unattentive..  My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the front
> around 3:30 when Jeff went on, and we were astounded at the number of
people
> just standing around.  I felt as if I was gathered around an accident
scene,
> with everyone leaned in & rubbernecking, pointing cameras, but otherwise
> giving no indication that there was *music* at the party.  After the joint
> got cleared out, it was obvious that there was a core of people really
> enjoying the music, but earlier in the evening I was talking with some guy
&
> we decided that we knew why Jeff Mills doesn't play Detroit
> > too often...
> >
> > -P
> >
> >
> >
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[Mxyzptlk]

Not to respond to either of these individual comments, but rather to 
something they evoke in me...I've always found that sort of "Thou shalt 
dance" orthodoxy a bit knee-jerk/silly. Some people simply don't dance and 
 it is NOT a crime. Some people DO and that is not a crime, either 
unless they are dancing ON my feet, etc). For somebody to tell me (and, 
again - not to imply that either participant in this dialogue was doing so) 
that I can't enjoy or respond to something in a way in which I feel 
comfortable without infringing on someone else's way is a bit daft in my 
perspective. I would rather see all of the energy devoted to the 
dance/don't dance
wars directed towards the people who insist on talking and talking loudly 
during any kind of public event. When I saw Herbert down at Motor in 
Detroit last summer I was (as usual) not happy when the crowd din would 
overwhelm the music at points. I've often wondered why people want to pay 
the price of admission and see how loudly they can NOT pay any attention to 
the stage when this can just as easily be accomplished at a bowling alley 
or corner bar with ostensibly less annoyance to others and no cover charge 
for the perps.


jeff




At 07:23 PM 11/26/2001, you wrote:

Please don't tell me that you were that guy!  The tall, blonde-haired guy at
the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf  saying, "Geez!  Why is
no one dancing!?"  Then turning around and not dancing yourself.  I really
hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you were just
tearing it up and cutting a rug...






> I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd was
almost unattentive..




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[veto]

> 
> That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want to
> watch the artist.  Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same time!
> 
At the recent Melkweg gig in Amsterdam there were about 5 or six large video
screens at the front of the dancefloor with cameras pointing at Jeffs'
hands- still very busy on the dancefloor though

Jason Brunton
Iridite


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[TJ Johnson]

Please don't tell me that you were that guy!  The tall, blonde-haired guy at
the front of the crowd that kept turning around andf  saying, "Geez!  Why is
no one dancing!?"  Then turning around and not dancing yourself.  I really
hope that if you are complaining about people not dancing that you were just
tearing it up and cutting a rug.

To tell you the truth, I was busy watching Mills' techniques.  Once in a
while, a killer track would pop on and i just couldn't help myself but to
move my ass like the true rump-shaker that I am, but for the most-part (I
hate to dissappoint you, but...)  I was watching, admiring, and learning
from a true innovator.

And, to further add to my list of reasons why people werent moving at the
front, it was friggin packed!  How could anyone even move, let alone dance!
We were shoulder to shoulder.  People were tearing it up 10-20 feet back.

That's just the way it always is at a packed venue where people want to
watch the artist.  Too bad people couldn't watch and dance at the same time!


TJ Johnson
www.wireframerecords.com



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From: "Paul Jenvey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 1:28 PM
Subject: [313] agents of change


> Well, what did everyone else think of the party?
>
> I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd was
almost unattentive..  My girlfriend Allison & I were up neard the front
around 3:30 when Jeff went on, and we were astounded at the number of people
just standing around.  I felt as if I was gathered around an accident scene,
with everyone leaned in & rubbernecking, pointing cameras, but otherwise
giving no indication that there was *music* at the party.  After the joint
got cleared out, it was obvious that there was a core of people really
enjoying the music, but earlier in the evening I was talking with some guy &
we decided that we knew why Jeff Mills doesn't play Detroit
> too often...
>
> -P
>
>
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RE: [313] record stores in DC

[FC3 Richards]

Deep Dish's store Yoshitoshi up in Georgetown.  They sell alot of
everything.  I don't know the address anymore since i havn't been there in 2
years.  its been awhile since i have lived in DC...i bleieve they have a
website though, that should help out a little bit.

jeff

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> 
> Hmm. . .  Not much. . . d.c. cd's on 18th and u(?) has a small selection.
> It's not their specialty, but i've found some interesting things there.
> 
> There's another store whose name i forget. . . it's on connecticut less
> than a block north of dupont circle.  I don't think they carry vinyl, but
> their cds are great and perhaps ocassionally rare.
> 
> 
> 
> ben
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2001, Rusty Blasco wrote:
> 
> > Does anyone know of anything exciting happening at Buzz, or anywhere
> else in
> > DC for that matter, the weekend of December 7 (which happens to be
> > approximately a week and a half from today)?  I'll be staying with a
> good
> > friend until Sunday and would love to take advantage of whatever may be
> on
> > the menu.  Also, any recommendations for music stores that supply an
> > adequate share of techno?  Thanks for your input.
> >
> > Rusty
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[d.pinter]

"I was very impressed by the music and the venue, but I felt the crowd was 
almost unattentive.. " 

considering all the turkey that must have been consumed hours before, it's no 
wonder that folks were a little lethargic. I thought it was a good turn out, 
number wise. Anyone catch the KMS thing the night before?

-dave




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