[313] Fwd: Re: Senator, Please Help Save Internet Radio

2002-04-12 Thread Mike Taylor


Here is the next phase in the legislation. Time to write more letters.

mt


From: Senator Debbie Stabenow [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Senator, Please Help Save Internet Radio
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 17:53:20 -0400

April 11, 2002



Mr. Michael Taylor


(snip personal address)



Thank you . . .

 . . for contacting me to express your support for Internet radio.  I
understand your concern about the decision of the Copyright Arbitration
Royalty Panel (CARP) to enforce royalty fees and the effect it will have
on Internet radio stations.

At this time, the Copyright Office has not accepted the proposed rates and
terms of the CARP proceeding.  The current statute requires the Librarian
of Congress to accept the terms so long as they are in compliance with the
Copyright Act.  A decision will be made no later that May 21, 2002.
Currently, there is no pending legislation before Congress that would
address this issue.  Should related legislation come before the full
Senate for a vote, please rest assured that I will keep your thoughts in
mind.

Thank you again for taking the time to make me aware of your concerns.
Please do not hesitate to contact my office again whenever I can be of
assistance to you and your family.


Sincerely,
Debbie Stabenow
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[313] Technasia...

2002-04-12 Thread Gerald
Is anyone interested in booking these guys in North America?
There are still a few open dates on their tour.

If so, drop me a line.

Cheers!

G

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[313] Attn: Rob Theakston

2002-04-12 Thread Catherine Eberhardt
Please email me privately when you get this.

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Re: [313] Bell vs Wink

2002-04-12 Thread Mark S Flintoft
 Hans Veneman wrote on Thu, 11 Apr 2002 about following:

  KJ emailed Ovum about this issue. If you want to read Josh Wink's
reaction
  to Dan's letter, go here:
 
http://technotourist.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=1
  65mode=flatorder=0

I'll bet Josh said the same thing about 'Lil Louis before he was forced to
own up to the similarities of How's Your Evening So Far to French Kiss...

Cool thing about that release was it had the orginal FK on the flip thereby
educating the kids who thought Wink had done an original tune;-)

Lates,

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[313] FA ebay

2002-04-12 Thread Mxyzptlk
Optic Nerve, Japanese Telecom, House for All (Definitve comps), Nick 
Holder, Carl Craig mix, more. No reserves. Thanks.

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Re: [313] Richie/NYC/TechnoNYC/Function...

2002-04-12 Thread Phonopsia
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Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 9:06 PM
Subject: Fw: [313] Richie/NYC/TechnoNYC/Function...


  BTW... Function absolutely rocked it at Kazu and Masa's (Vinyl Market
NYC)
  new TechnoNYC party at Filter 14 here in NYC last night.  Dave dropped
  brilliant 313-type dark Techno for a solid 2 hours...think Ruskin,
 Surgeon,
  Denham type stuff.  I highly recommend all the NY heads check out this
 party
  in future weeks.

Not that the folks in NYC need a reminder, but I'll second the Function
endorsement. He was very tight opening for Suburban Knight last Spring @
Limelight. All sorts of Detroit and harder European techno in the mix.
Definitely towards the top of the heap of east-coast techno Djs.

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[313] Woody McBride

2002-04-12 Thread FC3 Richards
Mr McBride is releasing a new version of Basketball Hero's, and I was
wondering if anyone has heard it.  Is it a remix, or a totally different
track with a new title.  I just know that his last release was total crap,
and wouldn't buy it for any amount of money.  So if someone has any info on
it, kindly send it my way since Basketball Hero's is a classic Acid track.

peace

Jeff

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RE: [313] ordering from Submerge/Direct Beat

2002-04-12 Thread FC3 Richards
i think you should probably goto the 430 west web page...something may be
there, or links to DB stuff should be there.  I havn't seen a new Direct
Beat record in a Loong time.  I think newest DB record worth having is
the A.U.X 88 track Computer Speaks  I don't think anything newer then that
was really worth having.  

jeff

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 By the way - I noticed that Submerge doesn't have any Direct Beat records
 available or have they stopped selling them? Anyone know what is up with
 DB
 right now? Haven't seen anything new recently (or am I not looking in the
 right direction?).
 
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RE: [313] FWD: Letter from Daniel Bell

2002-04-12 Thread FC3 Richards
Vanilla Ice to this day seems to think that his bass line is different then
Queens.  He is still full of sh!t and I am glad that Willis beat the crap
out of him at the Celebraty Boxing match on Fox.

Jeff

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 To:   313@hyperreal.org
 Subject:  Re: [313] FWD: Letter from Daniel Bell
 
 Eric Scuccimarra wrote:
  Regarding the bass line issue - what about Ice Ice Baby and Under
 Pressure?
 
 Before I made the post, I went looking to see if I could find the (Bootsy?
 
 Clinton?) quote I paraphrased. I couldn't find it, but I did see somewhere
 an
 allusion to changes in the law that allowed certain bass lines to be
 protected. I assume this happens on a case-by-case basis, and that in
 general,
 the bass part is normally assumed to be accompaniment unless you go to
 court
 and argue otherwise.
 
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Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Mark S Flintoft
 ['superfreak' is licensed)

Ok...I take this to mean the track is licensed to Ovum...

Did the guy mention whether or not Dan would be receiving his due or not?

Laters,

m*hopelessly-hoping*


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[313] Richie/NYC/TechnoNYC/Function...

2002-04-12 Thread Mark S Flintoft
Hey Dave,

 http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0215/romano.php

Excellent article!  Thanks for posting it:)

I for one feel the need to beat Alan to a pulp next time I see 'im,  Hee
eheee heee and I didn't even have to shell out any cash for that fiasco!;-)
God damn that was one infuriating night!

BTW... Function absolutely rocked it at Kazu and Masa's (Vinyl Market NYC)
new TechnoNYC party at Filter 14 here in NYC last night.  Dave dropped
brilliant 313-type dark Techno for a solid 2 hours...think Ruskin,  Surgeon,
Denham type stuff.  I highly recommend all the NY heads check out this party
in future weeks.  The system is really great,  it wasn't too crowded and the
drink prices are quite reasonable...had Grammenos and I sweating it out on
the Dance floor until 3:30;-)

Cheers,

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Re: [313] Technasia...

2002-04-12 Thread Michael D Tyrer
4 wots it worth - we saw these Charles Siegling/Technasia in Belgium a few
weeks back at the Fuse Club and were very impressed. We thought it was one
of the better sets we had recently heard.

Well, well worth booking.

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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:44
Subject: [313] Technasia...


 Is anyone interested in booking these guys in North America?
 There are still a few open dates on their tour.

 If so, drop me a line.

 Cheers!

 G

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Re: [313] ordering from Submerge (first time)

2002-04-12 Thread Sean Creen

 2+ weeks. And I live 20 minutes from Detroit.
 They are just really swamped with orders right now!


My copies of the new UR and Los Hermanos took less time than that to get to
Ireland!

Sean.




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Re: [313] ordering from Submerge (first time)

2002-04-12 Thread stewart
My copies of the new UR and Los Hermanos took less time than that to get to
Ireland!

Same here, took about a week for them to get to the UK, plus they threw in a 
mystery promo of Phases001 which was pretty cool, as well as the famous 
Metroplex party flier.

Though I have to admit there was a time when they didn't answer my emails or 
order enquiries at all, but I was really impresed with thier level of 
communication and service this time round.

cheers

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Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Sean Creen
 The kind folks at Submerge were contacted this morning concerning a post
on
 their web site forum concerning Josh. Someone at Ovum threatened them with
a
 defamation of character suit due to a not so nice post about Josh on their
 forum. They were asked to remove the post from their site. This character
 also told the forum admin that they are going to sue Dan Bell for
defamation
 as well.I wish this was a joke


I'm not really surprised by any of this. My legal backgrund is (thankfully!)
a distant memory now, so I'm not up on the latest case law, but I do know
that you need to tread carefully with this kind of thing.
That's kind if what I was getting at yesterday. IMO, Dan Bell has a strong
case to sue for copyright infringement over the Superfreak track and
that's what he should have done. I can understand that he feels bitter about
a sequence of events with Josh Wink and feels that he's been ripped of in
the past, but the fact is that comparisons of other tracks like Don't
laugh with Losing Control simply would not stand up in court.
What's happening now is that other people are putting themselves in a
compromising postion, legally, by hosting potentially defamatory comments
and copyrighted material on their severs in an attempy to support Dan, and
it sounds like Ovum are getting ready to strike the first (legal) blow. I
just really think he's gone about this the wrong way...

Sean.




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Re: [313] strings of life

2002-04-12 Thread Maarten Baute
 But Dan has a point it could easily be Salsa Life - which mixes nicely
with
 that white label btw - due to Maarten's characterization of the track as
 being 'Latin-like'.

It is not Salsa Life, since I own a copy of this record. I think it must be
the 2001 white label version.

Thanks,
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RE: [313] FWD: Letter from Daniel Bell

2002-04-12 Thread robin pinning
 Anyone recall the cover version of Tour D'France that was on that K-tel
Break dance LP by 10 Speed?  LOL...  I think Kraftwerk got the proper
credit though?  The question is did they get paid.. ha ha

lol i've got this...the whole thing lame covers. Matt i'm surprised you
owned up to having this, oh wait i've just done that too :)

worst one on there some cover of let's hear it for the boy still etched
on my memory, in the worst possible way

back to the thread: winks track is a remix in my eyes. for the people who
don't see this i think some of
the confusion as to whether it is similar or not is down to audiogalaxy
having the wrong track up as dbx's phreak, and a few of dan's tracks
having phreak in the name (acid phreak, beatphreak etc)

wink should do what his conscience tells him.

that said if you sell 500,000 copies of something it appears you also have
money to burn on lawyers :)

i'll shut up now

robin...


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[313] london list party?

2002-04-12 Thread Matthew KANE
I lost the address of who was organizing this. Is it still going on?
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Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Mehmet Koryurek
maybe they'll just sue all of us on the list for agreeing with Dan :)
mk02


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 This just in:

 The kind folks at Submerge were contacted this morning concerning a post
on
 their web site forum concerning Josh. Someone at Ovum threatened them with
a
 defamation of character suit due to a not so nice post about Josh on their
 forum. They were asked to remove the post from their site. This character
 also told the forum admin that they are going to sue Dan Bell for
defamation
 as well.I wish this was a joke


 Alex Peeing my pants in laughter Lugo
 www.fulcruminn.net


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 From: Mark S Flintoft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:19 PM
 To: Dennis Donohue; 313
 Subject: Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities


  ['superfreak' is licensed)

 Ok...I take this to mean the track is licensed to Ovum...

 Did the guy mention whether or not Dan would be receiving his due or not?

 Laters,

 m*hopelessly-hoping*


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Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Toby Frith
Whatever happened to Freedom of Speech?



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 maybe they'll just sue all of us on the list for agreeing with Dan :)
 mk02


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  This just in:
 
  The kind folks at Submerge were contacted this morning concerning a post
 on
  their web site forum concerning Josh. Someone at Ovum threatened them
with
 a
  defamation of character suit due to a not so nice post about Josh on
their
  forum. They were asked to remove the post from their site. This
character
  also told the forum admin that they are going to sue Dan Bell for
 defamation
  as well.I wish this was a joke
 
 
  Alex Peeing my pants in laughter Lugo
  www.fulcruminn.net
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark S Flintoft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:19 PM
  To: Dennis Donohue; 313
  Subject: Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities
 
 
   ['superfreak' is licensed)
 
  Ok...I take this to mean the track is licensed to Ovum...
 
  Did the guy mention whether or not Dan would be receiving his due or
not?
 
  Laters,
 
  m*hopelessly-hoping*
 
 
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Re: [313] london list party?

2002-04-12 Thread rob webb

Matthew Kane:


I lost the address of who was organizing this. Is it still going on?


yes it is!  Saturday 18th May, at Public Life, 82a Commercial Street, London 
E1 6LY. :)  i'm not sure what time it'll kick-off - probably 7pm.  more info 
to come nearer the time.


i've not sorted-out the music side of things yet, but a whole bunch of ppl 
volunteered to dj and we'll also (hopefully) have 2 live pa's!!!


cheers



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RE: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread rob webb

Alexandres Lugo:


This just in:

The kind folks at Submerge were contacted this morning concerning a post on
their web site forum concerning Josh. Someone at Ovum threatened them with 
a

defamation of character suit due to a not so nice post about Josh on their
forum. They were asked to remove the post from their site. This character
also told the forum admin that they are going to sue Dan Bell for 
defamation

as well.I wish this was a joke


hmmm, i wonder if Jockey Slut might be interested in running a piece about 
this whole story in their news section?  i imagine none of the parties 
involved would mind, especially not Ovum... it's not like it'd be bad 
publicity.


(*cough* Tom MF *cough*)



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Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread robin pinning

 Whatever happened to Freedom of Speech?

do they still have that in the states?

i mean without litagation following immediately afterwards :)



robin...



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[313] Re: Dan Bell Josh Wink Legalities

2002-04-12 Thread stewart
The Internet is still a very grey area for issues of libel and the like. I 
remember a case against that was bought against Yahoo for comments posted on a 
newsgroup on a site that was hosted on thier servers. It wasn't the owner of 
the newsgroup itself that was held responsible, but Yahoo for hosting the site. 
Its much the same as a newspaper that might publish something considered 
libelous by a party, it would be the newspaper in court, not the individual 
writer. With this in mind Submerge are probably safe unless they host thier own 
website, though thier hosts may request they remove the comments if things were 
taken further. 

Personally I agree that Dan Bell may have gone about things in the wrong 
manner, but I guess this depends on what communication Bell may have had with 
Ovum prior to posting his letter. Certainly I think he should have contacted 
them first regarding this. Though his story does paint a rather a rather 
annoying figure of Wink as some kind of long term obbsessive musical stalker, 
so I guess is Dan has felt this way for some time its understandable that he 
would think enough is enough. It is a worry though that Wink seems to be more 
on the ball with the legal side of things. Interesting to see where this goes, 
though having listened to the 2 tracks that Dennis posted I have to admit I've 
heard more blatent rip offs in my time, derivative as Wink's track may be.

Shame things have to come to this.

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RE: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Odeluga, Ken
Hardly the behaviour of people confident of successfully defending
themselves successfully in a pending suit of copyright infringement (imho).

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Whatever happened to Freedom of Speech?



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 maybe they'll just sue all of us on the list for agreeing with Dan :)
 mk02


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  This just in:
 
  The kind folks at Submerge were contacted this morning
concerning a post
 on
  their web site forum concerning Josh. Someone at Ovum threatened them
with
 a
  defamation of character suit due to a not so nice post about Josh on
their
  forum. They were asked to remove the post from their site. This
character
  also told the forum admin that they are going to sue Dan Bell for
 defamation
  as well.I wish this was a joke
 
 
  Alex Peeing my pants in laughter Lugo
  www.fulcruminn.net
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Mark S Flintoft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:19 PM
  To: Dennis Donohue; 313
  Subject: Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities
 
 
   ['superfreak' is licensed)
 
  Ok...I take this to mean the track is licensed to Ovum...
 
  Did the guy mention whether or not Dan would be receiving his due or
not?
 
  Laters,
 
  m*hopelessly-hoping*
 
 
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[313] Three Chairs Tour

2002-04-12 Thread alex.bond
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Re: [313] Three Chairs Tour

2002-04-12 Thread tom churchill
 Anyone know anything about a tour in the UK, w/Kenny Dixon, Theo Parrish,
 Rick Wilhite?

Don't know details of a tour, but Traxx here in Glasgow are putting them on
at the Arches on May 10... I'm sure they'll be doing other dates while
they're over...

Cheers,

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Re: [313] Re: Dan Bell Josh Wink Legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Gary_Girard

It is a worry though that Wink seems to be more on the ball with the legal
side of things.

He has to be!


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[313] Real Detroit: DEMF Article

2002-04-12 Thread glyph1001

www.getrealdetroit.com

Plus,  early this morning, the commmittee members appeared on Fox 2 News 
Detroit on and off throughout their broadcast discussing the event and 
its intentions this year.


A few artists who were mentioned to be on the lineup is:

DJ Zap
Mad Professor
Green Velvet

...a sneak preview.  =)

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Re: [313] Real Detroit: DEMF Article

2002-04-12 Thread rob webb

glyph1001:


www.getrealdetroit.com


there's another new article at: 
http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf12_20020412.htm.




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RE: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Giles Dickerson
Or maybe Todd Terry should write a letter to mills for the purpose maker he 
sampled. Ever hear Sum Sigh Say?

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 Why doesn1t mills make a letter to samuel sessions? :)
 
 jake
 
 on 4/11/02 1:23 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  maybe if dan bell's people were that efficient, he would have to always
  whine about getting ripped off!  (j/k)
  
  On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Dennis Donohue wrote:
  
  Hi all,
  Received a mail from Matt Brookman (the General Manager at Ovum records -
  label to which the Josh Wink song ['superfreak' is licensed) - and he 
  stated
  that he wanted my phone and mailing address, as I posted the song on the
  web.  Is there any legal implications that I should be aware of?
  
  Also - I took the song down.
  
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Re: [313] strings of life

2002-04-12 Thread Phonopsia
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 But Dan has a point it could easily be Salsa Life - which mixes nicely
with
 that white label btw - due to Maarten's characterization of the track as
 being 'Latin-like'.

Presumably you mean when the off-tempo edits in Salsa Life don't derail the
mix, right? ;)

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RE: [313] FWD: Letter from Daniel Bell

2002-04-12 Thread Kent williams
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Matthew MacQueen wrote:

 Anyone recall the cover version of Tour D'France that was on that K-tel
 Break dance LP by 10 Speed?  LOL...  I think Kraftwerk got the proper
 credit though?  The question is did they get paid.. ha ha

I have that record. God Bless the Goodwill.

My favorite was the Top 10 hits compilations that said they were by
The Original Artists, where The Original Artists was a band made up,
apparently, of a bunch of winos with the shakes.  Aside from the obvious
consumer ripoff, there's a whole world of deconstruction that one can
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Re: [313] Real Detroit: DEMF Article

2002-04-12 Thread Gerald
You know who else i think we can add to the list...

Technasia

Although i have no idea if this is true. It's just that their N.A. tour
starts the week after. hmmm..

G

glyph1001 wrote:
 
 www.getrealdetroit.com
 
 Plus,  early this morning, the commmittee members appeared on Fox 2 News
 Detroit on and off throughout their broadcast discussing the event and
 its intentions this year.
 
 A few artists who were mentioned to be on the lineup is:
 
 DJ Zap
 Mad Professor
 Green Velvet
 
 ...a sneak preview.  =)
 
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Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight

Didn't you hear about that? George Bush did away with it when he also
trashed the Freedom of Information Act and the Endangered Species Act. I
heard he also loves Wink's version of Phre...er, ah, Freak

MEK




   
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Whatever happened to Freedom of Speech?



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 maybe they'll just sue all of us on the list for agreeing with Dan :)
 mk02


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  This just in:
 
  The kind folks at Submerge were contacted this morning concerning a
post
 on
  their web site forum concerning Josh. Someone at Ovum threatened them
with
 a
  defamation of character suit due to a not so nice post about Josh on
their
  forum. They were asked to remove the post from their site. This
character
  also told the forum admin that they are going to sue Dan Bell for
 defamation
  as well.I wish this was a joke
 
 
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   ['superfreak' is licensed)
 
  Ok...I take this to mean the track is licensed to Ovum...
 
  Did the guy mention whether or not Dan would be receiving his due or
not?
 
  Laters,
 
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RE: [313] Technasia...

2002-04-12 Thread Grammenos, Peter

does anyone have a recent online technasia set i can listen to ?



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4 wots it worth - we saw these Charles Siegling/Technasia in Belgium a few
weeks back at the Fuse Club and were very impressed. We thought it was one
of the better sets we had recently heard.

Well, well worth booking.

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Subject: [313] Technasia...


 Is anyone interested in booking these guys in North America?
 There are still a few open dates on their tour.

 If so, drop me a line.

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RE: [313] Technasia...

2002-04-12 Thread robin pinning

 does anyone have a recent online technasia set i can listen to ?


the future mix cd isn't really mixed as such, which is a shame.

yeah i'd like to hear a proper dj mix too

robin...




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 4 wots it worth - we saw these Charles Siegling/Technasia in Belgium a few
 weeks back at the Fuse Club and were very impressed. We thought it was one
 of the better sets we had recently heard.

 Well, well worth booking.

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  Is anyone interested in booking these guys in North America?
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  If so, drop me a line.
 
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[313] early tease DEMF Lineup

2002-04-12 Thread phedx
Here are the early  mornings appetizers  everybody.

www.spinners.tv/index2.html

the  newsconferencetoday 11:30-1

I will  be going early,   leaving early to post... I plan on missing the
Detroits a great city   speech (I know that already) to post asap



spinners get it spun



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[313] test

2002-04-12 Thread scotto you know

work this time damn it!

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Re: [313] Three Chairs Tour

2002-04-12 Thread s mcgill
And Marsellus Pittman is involved too I believe.

Glasgow, London and Sheffield I believe.

Anyone?

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Re: [313] Three Chairs Tour

2002-04-12 Thread Toby Frith
I think they're at Plastic People on May 11th



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 And Marsellus Pittman is involved too I believe.

 Glasgow, London and Sheffield I believe.

 Anyone?

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[313] Bell v Winx - Submerge board

2002-04-12 Thread stewart
I gotta say some of the comments made on the Submerge board are pretty weak and 
ill thought out. I didn't say anything until I'd heard both tracks and even 
then I have to say I didn't feel the track was similar enough to really have a 
huge rant about. But for people to start publicly calling Winx a wan**er and 
shouting death to wanx and similar slogans seemingly without having even heard 
his track, or at least with no reference or comment towards it, is pretty lame. 
I should think Submerge would be fairly happy to remove posts like these from 
thier board anyway.

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Re: [313] Bell v Winx - Submerge board

2002-04-12 Thread Sean Creen
 I'd heard both tracks and even then I have to say I didn't feel the track
was similar enough to really have a huge rant about.

I think this, again, comes down to the fact that there are tracks
incorrectly labelled as Phreak on the 'net. Wink's track is very similar to
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RE: [313] Technasia...

2002-04-12 Thread henrique casanova

i will hear technasia live next weekend in São Paulo. i hope it
sounds diferent from its releases, wish are simply dead tech music to
me..



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  does anyone have a recent online technasia set i can listen to ?


 the future mix cd isn't really mixed as such, which is a shame.

 yeah i'd like to hear a proper dj mix too

 robin...

 
 
 
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  4 wots it worth - we saw these Charles Siegling/Technasia in
Belgium a few
  weeks back at the Fuse Club and were very impressed. We thought
it was one
  of the better sets we had recently heard.
 
  Well, well worth booking.
 
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Re: [313] Bell v Winx - Submerge board

2002-04-12 Thread Niko Tzoukmanis
that's basically a good point,
but i  guess the people who talk
about wink in such a way still remember
his track 'how is your evening so far ' ;O))

 I gotta say some of the comments made on the Submerge board are pretty weak 
 and ill thought out. I didn't say anything until I'd heard both tracks and 
 even then I have to say I didn't feel the track was similar enough to really 
 have a huge rant about. But for people to start publicly calling Winx a 
 wan**er and shouting death to wanx and similar slogans seemingly without 
 having even heard his track, or at least with no reference or comment towards 
 it, is pretty lame. I should think Submerge would be fairly happy to remove 
 posts like these from thier board anyway.

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RE: [313] Bell v Winx - Submerge board

2002-04-12 Thread Matthew MacQueen
 I think this, again, comes down to the fact that there are tracks
 incorrectly labelled as Phreak on the 'net. Wink's track is very similar to
 the original Phreak...

Yep, people who are comparing the 2 tracks posted earlier are only getting half 
the story.  This is important for list members who don't own these DBX 
12-inches to accurately make up your own mind for yourself.  The origial DBX 
track Phreak has the same bleep line as the Wink track, and repeats the vocal 
word 'phreak' over and over on 1 bar lines, just like the Wink track.  Can 
anyone post a few bars or a snippet of the REAL DBX track 'phreak' so others 
can hear?  RealAudio or whatever...  I think it's on the original B-side of 
Losing Control 12 on Peacefrog, and also was on Accelerate at some point too.  
The one worth the word said over and over...

It's just important people hear the correct dbx track here to compare so 
everyone can make up their own mind, that's all I'm saying.

Peace,
Matt MacQueen

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 I'd heard both tracks and even then I have to say I didn't feel the track
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[313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Bill Van Loo
Available at:

 http://www.electronicmusicfest.com

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RE: [313] FWD: Letter from Daniel Bell?

2002-04-12 Thread Joe Marougi
He did...John Tejada is with him presently and they have also been discussing 
it..

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curious, has anyone check with dan to see if he wrote it?

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RE: [313] Bell v Winx - Submerge board

2002-04-12 Thread Dennis Donohue
I have the DBX phreak on my server.  (gasp)
I hope Dan doesn't mind that I'm using it to support his case against Josh
Wink.

www.mp313.com/dennis/dbx_phreak.mp3

Cheers,
Dennis

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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:52 AM
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Subject: RE: [313] Bell v Winx - Submerge board

 I think this, again, comes down to the fact that there are tracks
 incorrectly labelled as Phreak on the 'net. Wink's track is very similar
to
 the original Phreak...

Yep, people who are comparing the 2 tracks posted earlier are only getting
half the story.  This is important for list members who don't own these DBX
12-inches to accurately make up your own mind for yourself.  The origial DBX
track Phreak has the same bleep line as the Wink track, and repeats the
vocal word 'phreak' over and over on 1 bar lines, just like the Wink track.
Can anyone post a few bars or a snippet of the REAL DBX track 'phreak' so
others can hear?  RealAudio or whatever...  I think it's on the original
B-side of Losing Control 12 on Peacefrog, and also was on Accelerate at
some point too.  The one worth the word said over and over...

It's just important people hear the correct dbx track here to compare so
everyone can make up their own mind, that's all I'm saying.

Peace,
Matt MacQueen

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 I'd heard both tracks and even then I have to say I didn't feel the track
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[313] boom

2002-04-12 Thread Rob Theakston
Sundiata
Chad Novak
Electric Indigo
Heather Heart
Gene Farris 
DJ Zap
Mike Grant
Steve Rachmad
Dave Angel 
Kevin Saunderson
Juan Atkins
Shorty 
Erotek (live)
John Collins 
Mad Professor(live)
Reggie Curry 
T.Linder
Bill Beaver(live) 
DeepChord(live)
Scott Grooves (dj  live)
Jon Tejada
Boo Williams 
Cas Roc
Frankie Knuckles 
DJ Shadow 
Sarena Tyler
X - Ecutioners 
Adam X
Black Eyed Peas 
Bryan Zentz
Blake Baxter
Roni Size
Eddie Fowlkes 
Mike Dearborn
 George Clinton
Art Payne/ Keith Martin
Gary Martin
Rick Wade 
Stewart Walker(live)
Paul Johnson 
Drexciya 
Ethan Kline 
Derrick Thompson
Kenny Dope 
Chaos (live)
Bone
Dave Clark
Roy Davis, Jr.
Dennis Cox
Green Velvet(live)
Frankie Bones
K.Hand
Advent( Live) 
DJ Funk
Rob Hood 
Colin Dale
A Number of Names(live)
Dwayne Jensen 
Steve Tang
Greg Collier
Matt Clark
Melvin Hill 
Black Bottom Collective(live)
Mike Huckaby 
DJ Dangerous
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Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Maarten Baute

 Or maybe Todd Terry should write a letter to mills for the purpose maker
he sampled. Ever hear Sum Sigh Say? 

Almost all purpose makers sample todd terry.. just listen verry carefully,
and they are there.. the toms !

Todd terry would need a good typewriter if he would write letters to
everyone that sampled his beats...

Greets,
Maaren



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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Klaas-Jan Jongsma

At 08:54 -0700 12-04-2002, Bill Van Loo wrote:

Available at:

 http://www.electronicmusicfest.com


WOW!

It actually says Drexciya!!!

It's not live but AFAIK this will hopefully be the first live 
appearance from our favorite aqua-funkers

Oh and George Clinton is nice too... and so is Deepchord live, Rob Hood

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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Maarten Baute
 Available at:

  http://www.electronicmusicfest.com

Derrick May doesn´t seem to be on the shedule.. does this have anything to
do with Derrick registering the DEMF name?

Man.. to bad.. I really like Derrick mixing.. you know.

Cheers,
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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Fred Giannelli
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 At 08:54 -0700 12-04-2002, Bill Van Loo wrote:
 Available at:
 
 http://www.electronicmusicfest.com
 
 WOW!
 
 It actually says Drexciya!!!
 
 It's not live but AFAIK this will hopefully be the first live
 appearance from our favorite aqua-funkers
 Oh and George Clinton is nice too... and so is Deepchord live, Rob Hood

Well let's hope everybody gets paid what they've been promised and the hotel
rooms don't get charged back to all the artists like last year... ; O

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[313] phreak

2002-04-12 Thread Williams, Howard
dan is the man

wink is the fink



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[313] april 22nd @ halcyon brooklyn, nyc, usa

2002-04-12 Thread nancy mitchell
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Re: [313] early tease DEMF Lineup

2002-04-12 Thread Dan Sicko
not to mention Carol Marvin herself leaking Juan Atkins (surprise) 
and Kenny Dope Gonzalez in Real Detroit.


-d

At 10:23 AM -0400 4/12/2002, phedx wrote:

Here are the early  mornings appetizers  everybody.

www.spinners.tv/index2.html

the  newsconferencetoday 11:30-1

I will  be going early,   leaving early to post... I plan on missing the
Detroits a great city   speech (I know that already) to post asap



spinners get it spun



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RE: [313] Bell v Wink

2002-04-12 Thread Jones, George
I've finally had a chance to listen to all 3 tracks now. I honestly don't
see what the noise is about. Angel Alanis, Stewart Walker, and probably
dozens of other artists have done tracks that are similar to Dan's tracks.
Matter of fact, both Angel Alanis and Stewart Walker's have tracks that are
much closer to Dan's music that this new Josh Wink track. Why is this such a
big deal? Everyone is inspired by another artists work at some point in
time, why are you guys making such a fuss over this one instance? 

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Re: [313] Dan Bell Vs. Josh Wink - legalities

2002-04-12 Thread Klaas-Jan Jongsma

At 17:59 +0200 12-04-2002, Maarten Baute wrote:

 Or maybe Todd Terry should write a letter to mills for the purpose maker
he sampled. Ever hear Sum Sigh Say? 

Almost all purpose makers sample todd terry.. just listen verry carefully,
and they are there.. the toms !

Todd terry would need a good typewriter if he would write letters to
everyone that sampled his beats...


Erm, most of the purpose maker tracks have a 727 in there You 
can't sue because of some Toms, There is still legal sampling guys. 
Taking a small snif of a track doesn't turn you into a bastard. I 
still have not heard Winks track but if he did the same thing as with 
that French Kiss remake then that's stepping a line.


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[313] what?

2002-04-12 Thread doris non-woo
from freep.com:

Among the missing: techno godfathers Kevin Saunderson and Derrick May,
booked the past two years and asked by Marvin to return for 2002. They
declined. 

I'm not going to support something like that, says Saunderson. The only
reason I played in the first place was Carl. 

from electronicmusicfest.com:

Kevin Saunderson


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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight

fck! fack! fack! fack! fack! buy a house or go to DEMF- buy a house or
go to DEMF - which will it be?! faack!
Why does John Tejada have to play this year of all years? I've wanted to
see him for s long now Drexciya?! Drexciya!? FACK!

MEK (sob sob sob sob)



   
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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight

Any news of internet broadcast? (pleease let it be so)

MEK




   
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RE: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Grammenos, Peter

Don't fret, I'm sure Derrick will be throwing an after party during DEMF ;)
Last year he did one with Kevin Saunderson ... 

Good lineup, i'm heading over to the D. Rob hood, drexcyia, deep chord, gene
farris, blake blaxter, green velvet... 


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 Available at:

  http://www.electronicmusicfest.com

Derrick May doesn´t seem to be on the shedule.. does this have anything to
do with Derrick registering the DEMF name?

Man.. to bad.. I really like Derrick mixing.. you know.

Cheers,
Maarten


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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Dan Sicko



It actually says Drexciya!!!


I know!  But it doesn't say Drexciya (live)

[semi-rhetorical question] And why aren't they closing out that stage??

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RE: [313] Bell v Wink

2002-04-12 Thread brendan . nelson
 -Original Message-
 From: Jones, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 12 April 2002 17:10

 Everyone is inspired by another artists work at 
 some point in time, why are you guys making such 
 a fuss over this one instance? 

The distinction is that Wink stands to make quite a lot of money from his
track, while most of the other guys who do tracks that are derivative of Dan
Bell's work just put out obscure 12 that only us weirdos even hear about,
let alone buy. That's what's annoying - the amount of reward Wink gets for a
piece of derivative work is utterly out of scale with the effort and
creativity he's injected into it. No-one would even be speaking about this
if Josh Wink was an unknown, dropping 500 pressings of a DBX-style tune on a
label no-one had heard of.

Maybe it's just envy - perhaps we'd all like a job where all we do is make
lazy, plagiaristic tracks, using a deep pool of underground music to draw
from, and then banking serious cash as the general public flock to our new
and innovative releases. It'd be easy, wouldn't it? I'd make a track that
was a pretty straight copy of Rhythm from Minimal Nation - sampling George
Clinton as well, but programming the main melody line on a Nord Lead and
maybe sticking some 909 rimshots in as well, then wait for the dollars to
roll in while suing everyone who mentions the name Robert Hood on a
message board. Life would be good!

Brendan


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[313] DEMF 2002 poster

2002-04-12 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight
Ok - so I can't go but the poster is DOPE. Where can I get one?

MEK


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RE: [313] Bell v Wink

2002-04-12 Thread Joe Marougi
I agree Brendan...people that come with arguments like the one you responded to 
I don't believe quite 'get it'.  

There is a clear distinction between Inspiration and straight Bites, and 
when you factor in the compensation that you mentioned, it makes it that much 
worse.

JB

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 Sent: 12 April 2002 17:10

 Everyone is inspired by another artists work at 
 some point in time, why are you guys making such 
 a fuss over this one instance? 

The distinction is that Wink stands to make quite a lot of money from his
track, while most of the other guys who do tracks that are derivative of Dan
Bell's work just put out obscure 12 that only us weirdos even hear about,
let alone buy. That's what's annoying - the amount of reward Wink gets for a
piece of derivative work is utterly out of scale with the effort and
creativity he's injected into it. No-one would even be speaking about this
if Josh Wink was an unknown, dropping 500 pressings of a DBX-style tune on a
label no-one had heard of.

Maybe it's just envy - perhaps we'd all like a job where all we do is make
lazy, plagiaristic tracks, using a deep pool of underground music to draw
from, and then banking serious cash as the general public flock to our new
and innovative releases. It'd be easy, wouldn't it? I'd make a track that
was a pretty straight copy of Rhythm from Minimal Nation - sampling George
Clinton as well, but programming the main melody line on a Nord Lead and
maybe sticking some 909 rimshots in as well, then wait for the dollars to
roll in while suing everyone who mentions the name Robert Hood on a
message board. Life would be good!

Brendan


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RE: [313] Bell v Wink

2002-04-12 Thread brendan . nelson
I don't think it's amazingly unrealistic to reduce it to that, yeah - that's
what it always comes down to, every time an artist or label has got pissed
about someone making cash out of sampled work. Basically, by most people's
moral codes, the guy who does the work deserves the reward. In this case Dan
Bell is seen as the guy who's done the work, but Josh Wink is going to get
the reward - not just cash, but props, and strengthening of his reputation
as a master producer in the mainstream dance music industry. This is seen
as unfair, and hence people get pissed. At the end of the day, money does
matter - it pays the bills. I'm sure many of us would like to see Dan Bell
get a cut of whatever revenues Josh's track brings in. Maybe this moral take
on things is wrong, and the guy who does the work *shouldn't* get the reward
- maybe the guy who's able to pull off the cheeky exploit and benefit from
the work should be seen as ultimately the smartest and most canny guy, and
therefore the guy who deserves the cash. That's what Adam Smith would
presumably say...

Brendan

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So then... I'm to assume the problem is money? Josh could make lotsa money
off of this and everyone's pissed? Is this the case?
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 From: Jones, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: 12 April 2002 17:10 
 
 Everyone is inspired by another artists work at 
 some point in time, why are you guys making such 
 a fuss over this one instance? 
The distinction is that Wink stands to make quite a lot of money from his 
track, while most of the other guys who do tracks that are derivative of Dan

Bell's work just put out obscure 12 that only us weirdos even hear about, 
let alone buy. That's what's annoying - the amount of reward Wink gets for a

piece of derivative work is utterly out of scale with the effort and 
creativity he's injected into it. No-one would even be speaking about this 
if Josh Wink was an unknown, dropping 500 pressings of a DBX-style tune on a

label no-one had heard of. 
Maybe it's just envy - perhaps we'd all like a job where all we do is make 
lazy, plagiaristic tracks, using a deep pool of underground music to draw 
from, and then banking serious cash as the general public flock to our new

and innovative releases. It'd be easy, wouldn't it? I'd make a track that 
was a pretty straight copy of Rhythm from Minimal Nation - sampling George

Clinton as well, but programming the main melody line on a Nord Lead and 
maybe sticking some 909 rimshots in as well, then wait for the dollars to 
roll in while suing everyone who mentions the name Robert Hood on a 
message board. Life would be good! 


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Re: [313] DEMF 2002 poster

2002-04-12 Thread Joel Fernandez
I got a signed copy of the DEMF poster from CPOP.

Ciao.

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 Ok - so I can't go but the poster is DOPE. Where can I get one?
 
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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread stewart
Why did I have to start dating a girl whose not into techno and whose birthday 
is on the 25th May and who expects me to be here for her this year after I blew 
her off to go to Detroit last year? Tell me, why??? :)

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Re: [313] DEMF 2002 poster

2002-04-12 Thread Catherine Eberhardt
I think that poster looks pretty cheesy - maybe that's cuz I'm an
artist, I used to draw robots mixing when I was 16 like that.  The only
poster I like is the first one.  At least this ones is better than last
years though.
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I got a signed copy of the DEMF poster from CPOP.

Ciao.

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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Catherine Eberhardt
Hmm, I am not too impressed with the line up.  There are definately some
great artists on the roster, but I keep seeing a repetitive Detroit
super hero collective.  I wish that I could see more people like Claude
Young, Jeff Mills, Dj Hell, Aphex Twin doing all his polygon
window/caustic window stuff, something like that closing out a night. 
It's a pretty boring line up for me, I've seen almost everyone on there,
and could see them again any day.  I like the fact Chaos made the line
up, they're a crazy live act.  There are some good artists I'll be happy
to see though, don't get me wrong.
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Why did I have to start dating a girl whose not into techno and whose
birthday is on the 25th May and who expects me to be here for her this
year after I blew her off to go to Detroit last year? Tell me, why??? :)

Stewart




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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Catherine Eberhardt
If there's a DEMF next year, this is who I nominate to be on the
committee.  
Dan Sicko
Carl Craig
Kelli Hand 
Dopplereffekt
Theo Parrish
Derrick Plaslaiko
Liz Copeland

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RE: [313] Bell v Wink

2002-04-12 Thread Lucien
If anyone can send me the Wink track or knows where I can listen to it,
please email me privately...

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RE: [313] DEMF 2002 poster

2002-04-12 Thread Giles Dickerson
Can someone please send me the link to see the poster? Thank you !

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 I think that poster looks pretty cheesy - maybe that's cuz I'm an
 artist, I used to draw robots mixing when I was 16 like that.  The only
 poster I like is the first one.  At least this ones is better than last
 years though.
  Joel Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/12/02 12:41 PM 
 I got a signed copy of the DEMF poster from CPOP.
 
 Ciao.
 
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  Ok - so I can't go but the poster is DOPE. Where can I get one?
  
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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread J. T.

dan sicko said:

It actually says Drexciya!!!

I know!  But it doesn't say Drexciya (live)


as mentioned in the interview on technotourist, i assume this is the first 
drexciyan dj performance.


stewart said:
Why did I have to start dating a girl whose not into techno and whose 
birthday
is on the 25th May and who expects me to be here for her this year after I 
blew

her off to go to Detroit last year? Tell me, why??? :)

stewart, it's time to sever some ties...;P what do you see in this girl?? :P 
(im very kidding man..)



catherine eberhardt said:

Hmm, I am not too impressed with the line up.  There are definately some

great artists on the roster, but I keep seeing a repetitive Detroit

i second that, aside from a few names i'm not too impressed. i'll be there 
tho, especially for the afterparties.


two questions: in that detroit news article this morning, kevin saunderson 
states he will have nothing to do with this year's festival...!? and yet 
there he is listed...whats going on..? somebody changed his mind?


2nd...what's up with sponsorship this year? are we going to be bombarded 
with looping bacardi videos and airplanes flying banners etc etc again? 
given mitsubishi is running that retarded car commercial with the girl 
getting her rave-on in the car 50 times a day, i was half expecting to see 
them take ford's place...


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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread J. T.
the biggest disappointment to me is that there doesnt seem to be much live 
stuff this year. they said in that detroit news article that they wanted to 
keep people dancing all day this time, i guess they assume dj's are better 
at this...personally i just think daylight keeps people from dancing as 
much...and i really like checking out live stuff during the day, nice 
atmosphere and mood, to me..

oh well..still pumped!
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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread atomly
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 Derrick Plaslaiko

Derek needs to play every DEMF..  He should get a whole stage to himself
so he can play classic rock all day.

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RE: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Alexandres Lugo
Definitely disappointed with the lack of live stuff too...and still no
Kraftwerk or Aphex...oh well, not surprised but disenchanted.

Peace,
Alex
www.fulcruminn.net


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the biggest disappointment to me is that there doesnt seem to be much live
stuff this year. they said in that detroit news article that they wanted to
keep people dancing all day this time, i guess they assume dj's are better
at this...personally i just think daylight keeps people from dancing as
much...and i really like checking out live stuff during the day, nice
atmosphere and mood, to me..
oh well..still pumped!
jt

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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread J. T.
A Number of Names closing it out on the main stage tho!! nice!! that is a 
class decision there..wow..
maybe some of the live performances just arent noted. i assume black eyed 
peas and george clinton won't be spinning records.
the lineup actually looks a lot nicer when it's laid out in the 
schedule...:)

j

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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Cowgirl
I wanted some Adult.

but, I'm going to smile, shake my ass, and hurt my fingers throwing the
devil's horns.

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 Definitely disappointed with the lack of live stuff too...and still no
 Kraftwerk or Aphex...oh well, not surprised but disenchanted.

 Peace,
 Alex
 www.fulcruminn.net


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 the biggest disappointment to me is that there doesnt seem to be much live
 stuff this year. they said in that detroit news article that they wanted
to
 keep people dancing all day this time, i guess they assume dj's are better
 at this...personally i just think daylight keeps people from dancing as
 much...and i really like checking out live stuff during the day, nice
 atmosphere and mood, to me..
 oh well..still pumped!
 jt

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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread :P
I like aphex, but Im glad demf is staying a bit more detroit than that.

bringing in the rephlex all stars would have just been sick though...

like bodgan, cylob and aphex on a rotating stage.

besides, didnt you catch aphex when he came to pontiac in 96?

hehehehe

-Joe


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 Definitely disappointed with the lack of live stuff too...and still no
 Kraftwerk or Aphex...oh well, not surprised but disenchanted.

 Peace,
 Alex
 www.fulcruminn.net


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 the biggest disappointment to me is that there doesnt seem to be much live
 stuff this year. they said in that detroit news article that they wanted
to
 keep people dancing all day this time, i guess they assume dj's are better
 at this...personally i just think daylight keeps people from dancing as
 much...and i really like checking out live stuff during the day, nice
 atmosphere and mood, to me..
 oh well..still pumped!
 jt

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Re: [313] boom

2002-04-12 Thread Otto

Okay, now let's play the 'which board member picked what artist' game :)

Oh, and George Clinton closing the main stage on Sunday from 10.00pm 
onwards: that means he's only got two hours, barely his warmup time! Expect 
the main stage to remain open until 2am at least...


Otto

At 11:56 12-4-02 -0400, you wrote:
Sundiata
Chad Novak
Electric Indigo
Heather Heart
Gene Farris
DJ Zap
Mike Grant
Steve Rachmad
Dave Angel
Kevin Saunderson
Juan Atkins
Shorty
Erotek (live)
John Collins
Mad Professor(live)
Reggie Curry
T.Linder
Bill Beaver(live)
DeepChord(live)
Scott Grooves (dj  live)
Jon Tejada
Boo Williams
Cas Roc
Frankie Knuckles
DJ Shadow
Sarena Tyler
X - Ecutioners
Adam X
Black Eyed Peas
Bryan Zentz
Blake Baxter
Roni Size
Eddie Fowlkes
Mike Dearborn
 George Clinton
Art Payne/ Keith Martin
Gary Martin
Rick Wade
Stewart Walker(live)
Paul Johnson
Drexciya
Ethan Kline
Derrick Thompson
Kenny Dope
Chaos (live)
Bone
Dave Clark
Roy Davis, Jr.
Dennis Cox
Green Velvet(live)
Frankie Bones
K.Hand
Advent( Live)
DJ Funk
Rob Hood
Colin Dale
A Number of Names(live)
Dwayne Jensen
Steve Tang
Greg Collier
Matt Clark
Melvin Hill
Black Bottom Collective(live)
Mike Huckaby
DJ Dangerous
Ron Carroll
T-1000
Traxx


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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Michael . Elliot-Knight

I like aphex, but Im glad demf is staying a bit more detroit than that.

bringing in the rephlex all stars would have just been sick though...

like bodgan, cylob and aphex on a rotating stage.

besides, didnt you catch aphex when he came to pontiac in 96?

hehehehe

-Joe


Rotating - as in like a round stage that revolves? That would be awesome!
;)

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RE: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Dan Sicko

sorry if there's a double post ... didn't see my reply come through.


 it is my understanding that they tried to get both Aphex and Kraftwerk.


-d

At 1:39 PM -0400 4/12/2002, Alexandres Lugo wrote:

Definitely disappointed with the lack of live stuff too...and still no
Kraftwerk or Aphex...oh well, not surprised but disenchanted.

Peace,
Alex
www.fulcruminn.net


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the biggest disappointment to me is that there doesnt seem to be much live
stuff this year. they said in that detroit news article that they wanted to
keep people dancing all day this time, i guess they assume dj's are better
at this...personally i just think daylight keeps people from dancing as
much...and i really like checking out live stuff during the day, nice
atmosphere and mood, to me..
oh well..still pumped!
jt

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RE: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread House of Suki
Noticed something interesting about the DEMF www site.  Click on PCM web
link at the bottom and see where it takes you.

me thinks the mole is active again.

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RE: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Alexandres Lugo
aaah, well, at least they tried. Can't complain about that then...

Peace,
Alex
www.fulcruminn.net


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sorry if there's a double post ... didn't see my reply come through.

  it is my understanding that they tried to get both Aphex and Kraftwerk.

-d

At 1:39 PM -0400 4/12/2002, Alexandres Lugo wrote:
Definitely disappointed with the lack of live stuff too...and still no
Kraftwerk or Aphex...oh well, not surprised but disenchanted.

Peace,
Alex
www.fulcruminn.net


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the biggest disappointment to me is that there doesnt seem to be much live
stuff this year. they said in that detroit news article that they wanted to
keep people dancing all day this time, i guess they assume dj's are better
at this...personally i just think daylight keeps people from dancing as
much...and i really like checking out live stuff during the day, nice
atmosphere and mood, to me..
oh well..still pumped!
jt

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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Dan Sicko

well, MGD stands for Miller Genuine Draft, so there's (burp) that 

At 1:23 PM -0400 4/12/2002, J. T. wrote:

dan sicko said:

It actually says Drexciya!!!

I know!  But it doesn't say Drexciya (live)


as mentioned in the interview on technotourist, i assume this is the 
first drexciyan dj performance.


stewart said:
Why did I have to start dating a girl whose not into techno and 
whose birthday
is on the 25th May and who expects me to be here for her this year 
after I blew

her off to go to Detroit last year? Tell me, why??? :)

stewart, it's time to sever some ties...;P what do you see in this 
girl?? :P (im very kidding man..)



catherine eberhardt said:

Hmm, I am not too impressed with the line up.  There are definately some

great artists on the roster, but I keep seeing a repetitive Detroit

i second that, aside from a few names i'm not too impressed. i'll be 
there tho, especially for the afterparties.


two questions: in that detroit news article this morning, kevin 
saunderson states he will have nothing to do with this year's 
festival...!? and yet there he is listed...whats going on..? 
somebody changed his mind?


2nd...what's up with sponsorship this year? are we going to be 
bombarded with looping bacardi videos and airplanes flying banners 
etc etc again? given mitsubishi is running that retarded car 
commercial with the girl getting her rave-on in the car 50 times a 
day, i was half expecting to see them take ford's place...


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[313] Record shops in Detroit

2002-04-12 Thread Thomas Van Steen.
Hi all :)

Who know where i can find a list of Detroit's record shops?

Thanks

Thomas Van Steen.
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[313] DEMF 2002 poster - yikes.

2002-04-12 Thread Giles Dickerson
Yeah Yeah, it's a matter of opinion but that's pretty lame. It doesn't say 
anything to me about the soul or history of the music, in fact, it makes it 
seem just like I don't want it to, robotic and soulless. 

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Re: [313] Technasia...

2002-04-12 Thread Mark S Flintoft
I remember seeing a link to one on
http://www.technasia.com/technasia/welcome.html

Love those guys...

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  does anyone have a recent online technasia set i can listen to ?


 the future mix cd isn't really mixed as such, which is a shame.

 yeah i'd like to hear a proper dj mix too

 robin...

 
 
 
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  4 wots it worth - we saw these Charles Siegling/Technasia in Belgium a
few
  weeks back at the Fuse Club and were very impressed. We thought it was
one
  of the better sets we had recently heard.
 
  Well, well worth booking.
 
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   Is anyone interested in booking these guys in North America?
   There are still a few open dates on their tour.
  
   If so, drop me a line.
  
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RE: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Dan Sicko

At 1:39 PM -0400 4/12/2002, Alexandres Lugo wrote:

Definitely disappointed with the lack of live stuff too...and still no
Kraftwerk or Aphex...oh well, not surprised but disenchanted.



it's my understanding that they tried for both of the above.

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RE: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Holly MacDonald-Korth
and why is roy davis jr playing at 12:00?

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It actually says Drexciya!!!

I know!  But it doesn't say Drexciya (live)

[semi-rhetorical question] And why aren't they closing out that stage??

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[313] test

2002-04-12 Thread Nicole Slavin
get through!

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Re: [313] Three Chairs Tour

2002-04-12 Thread laura gavoor

Additional 3 Chairs dates include:

May 11  Nat'l. Centre for Popular Music/Sheffield
May 12  Plastic People/London
May 16  Scheune Nightclub/Dresden
May 17  Sam Lord/Frankfurt
May 18  BackFabrik/Berlin
May 19  Vega Club/Copenhagen

Currently working on another European tour for Oct/Nov of 2002, as well as 
North American tour for Sept. 2002


Keeps yo eye/ears on...



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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 10:52:43 +0100

 Anyone know anything about a tour in the UK, w/Kenny Dixon, Theo 
Parrish,

 Rick Wilhite?

Don't know details of a tour, but Traxx here in Glasgow are putting them on
at the Arches on May 10... I'm sure they'll be doing other dates while
they're over...

Cheers,

Tom

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RE: [313] Bell v Wink

2002-04-12 Thread Jones, George
So, if Josh Wink hadn't included the Freak sample in this track, would
anyone care about it? It seems to me that, outside of the money and fame
issue, this track wouldn't be scrutinized if it were just another bouncy bit
of minimal techno. Like I've said before, too many people make tracks that
sound like this. The only thing that differentiates this from any of them is
1 sample. That alone makes it an unauthorized remix or a blatant ripoff.
Remove the sample, and what do you have? A half baked track that sounds like
it was done on Rebirth in about 15 minutes. 


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I agree Brendan...people that come with arguments like the one you responded
to I don't believe quite 'get it'.  

There is a clear distinction between Inspiration and straight Bites, and
when you factor in the compensation that you mentioned, it makes it that
much worse.

JB

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 From: Jones, George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 12 April 2002 17:10

 Everyone is inspired by another artists work at 
 some point in time, why are you guys making such 
 a fuss over this one instance? 

The distinction is that Wink stands to make quite a lot of money from his
track, while most of the other guys who do tracks that are derivative of Dan
Bell's work just put out obscure 12 that only us weirdos even hear about,
let alone buy. That's what's annoying - the amount of reward Wink gets for a
piece of derivative work is utterly out of scale with the effort and
creativity he's injected into it. No-one would even be speaking about this
if Josh Wink was an unknown, dropping 500 pressings of a DBX-style tune on a
label no-one had heard of.

Maybe it's just envy - perhaps we'd all like a job where all we do is make
lazy, plagiaristic tracks, using a deep pool of underground music to draw
from, and then banking serious cash as the general public flock to our new
and innovative releases. It'd be easy, wouldn't it? I'd make a track that
was a pretty straight copy of Rhythm from Minimal Nation - sampling George
Clinton as well, but programming the main melody line on a Nord Lead and
maybe sticking some 909 rimshots in as well, then wait for the dollars to
roll in while suing everyone who mentions the name Robert Hood on a
message board. Life would be good!

Brendan


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[313] detroit in london

2002-04-12 Thread Nicole Slavin
i've just got back from a few weeks out the country. while i was gone
suburban knight, claude young, derrick may, juan atkins and  kevin
saunderson ALL came to town :(
curious to know how these nights were as i haven't been to a good night out
in londn in ages, including lost; and of course i'd like to eat myself with
envy.
N
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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread Joel Fernandez
Why is Cajmere performing at 2:00?  It's just a simple case of playa hatin
on Chicago artists.

Ciao.


- Original Message -
From: Holly MacDonald-Korth
 and why is roy davis jr playing at 12:00?




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Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up

2002-04-12 Thread :P
to get your ass out of bed and to the show earlier, so you can spend money
on food+drink



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From: Joel Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Holly MacDonald-Korth [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [313] official DEMF lineup up


 Why is Cajmere performing at 2:00?  It's just a simple case of playa hatin
 on Chicago artists.

 Ciao.


 - Original Message -
 From: Holly MacDonald-Korth
  and why is roy davis jr playing at 12:00?




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RE: [313] DEMF 2002 poster - yikes.

2002-04-12 Thread Holly MacDonald-Korth
oh, it's horrible. HORRIBLE. rave it up, detroit.

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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 12:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@Hyperreal.Org (E-mail)
Subject: [313] DEMF 2002 poster - yikes.


Yeah Yeah, it's a matter of opinion but that's pretty lame. It doesn't say
anything to me about the soul or history of the music, in fact, it makes it
seem just like I don't want it to, robotic and soulless. 

- Giles

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