Re: (313) what to do iNYC? HELP
static was at baktun, which is now closed. james From: Stephen Hart [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 12:45:49 -0400 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) what to do iNYC? HELP Hey, I am going to NYC this coming weekend, staying in Manhattan, and as I have never been there before, I know practically nothing about where to go to hear good music and enjoy decently priced drinksI realize NYC is expensive as hell, BUT, I was hoping someone might have a few suggestions for me. I know my cousin has played out in NYC more than a few times (Static was the name of the weekly even, I thinkI dunno the venue though). ANYWAYS, could someone please help a Detroiter out in his adventures to the big BIG city? Thankz _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
Re: (313) what to do iNYC? HELP
static was at baktun, which is now closed. james It moved to Filter 14 and then to Openairhaven't heard anything about it in a loong time This weekend is looking pretty boring in the Big Apple:( If you must go out I recommend Tenaglia at Arc on Friday night and then Marques Wyatt at Shelter on Saturdayneither of which is gonna be a cheap night out. For a cheaper option you could try Melvin Moore at Filter 14 on Saturday and then Monday night Gaetano Pariso is doing a live PA at the Sullivan Room. Peace, m*
Re: (313) American Artists overseas
It' s not that american artists don't get booked, they still get booked in Holland but they refuse to fly over to Europe now. A series of concerts which was supposed to take place over here with Jay-z, Erika Baduh and Grandmasterflash (not techno, i know, but Baduh sounds pretty relaxed at home:-) was cancelled because they are afraid of flying over, also matchbox 20 and some other guitarbands refused to fly over, not sure about the peeps in technoscene (anyone ever heard someting about that?). So i don't think it's a question of not getting booked, i think it 's more a question of artists willing to come over (even if they are booked), in these times. Just a thought on a lousy thursdaymorning... Martijn - Original Message - From: Greg::Malcolm . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas i was in holland for a festival last week, and was treated very kindly by the dutch ppl i met, they are very anti-bush more than they are anti-american. ppl there referred to the US as the empire, and when we landed @ detroit en route to cleveland, it really seemed like the opening scene out of the first star wars...ppl were getting up and getting their luggage, when an announcement came out that US customs agents had entered the plane...they were armed and had a german shepard, and removed a few middle eastern men, who were presumably on some kind of country threat list. one was sitting two chairs down from me...very scary and most of the plane, who were foreingers were very anxious as well. GREG MALCOLM // TWINE // HTTP://TWINESOUND.COM From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:42:09 +0100 Hey, *I've* been attacked by skinheads - in East Germany! (At least they attempted to attack me!) The good thing about skinheads is that they effectively don't discriminate! They hate everybody who disagrees with them (which is virtually everybody!) Ken -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:33 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313 list Subject: (313) American Artists overseas I hope you're right, that American artists are still getting booked. A good friend of mine who isn't a techno artist was rather frightened on his last tour in Germany, where he was harrassed by skin heads and yelled at for being Americans elsewhere. Here's hoping, all evidence to the contrary, that we're not entering a new dark age. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Odeluga, Ken wrote: American artists are less welcome in Europe given the current troubles. Current US/European political agreements aside, I can't see how this would contribute to US artists of any kind being overlooked for bookings here. In 'big business' (the ugly specter of which I raise, just for the sake of a comparison and an example) long-term well-known relationships are as normal with no question of wider considerations altering that. The only thing that's hurting everybody (inlcuding all types of music) is the global economic slowdown. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
RE: (313) American Artists overseas
It' s not that american artists don't get booked, they still get booked in Holland but they refuse to fly over to Europe now. A series of concerts which was supposed to take place over here with Jay-z, Erika Baduh and Grandmasterflash (not techno, i know, but Baduh sounds pretty relaxed at home:-) was cancelled because they are afraid of flying over, also matchbox 20 and some other guitarbands refused to fly over, not sure about the peeps in technoscene (anyone ever heard someting about that?). So i don't think it's a question of not getting booked, i think it 's more a question of artists willing to come over (even if they are booked), in these times. And american artists being afraid to fly and cancel gigs will result in less bookings by European promoters because they won't take the gamble on booking an US artists who could not show up and cancel the gig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just a thought on a lousy thursdaymorning... Martijn - Original Message - From: Greg::Malcolm . [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas i was in holland for a festival last week, and was treated very kindly by the dutch ppl i met, they are very anti-bush more than they are anti-american. ppl there referred to the US as the empire, and when we landed @ detroit en route to cleveland, it really seemed like the opening scene out of the first star wars...ppl were getting up and getting their luggage, when an announcement came out that US customs agents had entered the plane...they were armed and had a german shepard, and removed a few middle eastern men, who were presumably on some kind of country threat list. one was sitting two chairs down from me...very scary and most of the plane, who were foreingers were very anxious as well. GREG MALCOLM // TWINE // HTTP://TWINESOUND.COM From: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: 313 list 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) American Artists overseas Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:42:09 +0100 Hey, *I've* been attacked by skinheads - in East Germany! (At least they attempted to attack me!) The good thing about skinheads is that they effectively don't discriminate! They hate everybody who disagrees with them (which is virtually everybody!) Ken -Original Message- From: Kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:33 PM To: Odeluga, Ken Cc: 313 list Subject: (313) American Artists overseas I hope you're right, that American artists are still getting booked. A good friend of mine who isn't a techno artist was rather frightened on his last tour in Germany, where he was harrassed by skin heads and yelled at for being Americans elsewhere. Here's hoping, all evidence to the contrary, that we're not entering a new dark age. On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, Odeluga, Ken wrote: American artists are less welcome in Europe given the current troubles. Current US/European political agreements aside, I can't see how this would contribute to US artists of any kind being overlooked for bookings here. In 'big business' (the ugly specter of which I raise, just for the sake of a comparison and an example) long-term well-known relationships are as normal with no question of wider considerations altering that. The only thing that's hurting everybody (inlcuding all types of music) is the global economic slowdown. _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- DISCLAIMER De gemeente Almelo aanvaardt voor haar medewerkers geen enkele aansprakelijkheid voor eventueel onjuist, onrechtmatig of ontoelaatbaar geacht gebruik van e-mail (inclusief bijlagen). Dit e-mail bericht is door de gemeente Almelo gecontroleerd op de aanwezigheid van eventuele virussen. Wij kunnen echter geen garantie afgeven dat al onze e-mail berichten volledig virus vrij zijn. Het is daarom verstandig uw binnenkomende e-mail berichten zelf op de mogelijke aanwezigheid van virussen te controleren. --
RE: (313) American Artists overseas
-Original Message- From: Jongsma, K.J. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2003 08:53 And american artists being afraid to fly and cancel gigs will result in less bookings by European promoters... And another major issue - which might have already been mentioned - is the general downturn in the industry, which makes a lot of promoters here slightly worried about how much money they could lose if they spend the extra money required to bring a North American artist across and then the crowd doesn't materialise. Add to that the risk of the artist either not coming across due to worries about terrorism, or not being *allowed* to come across as a result of the heightened security (I've heard stories of a number of US artists basically being turned away at airports), and you could be facing quite a big loss as a promoter. I think we're quite lucky in that the electronic music scene has yet to be tainted by the divisive renaissance in nationalism which seems to have crept into most other walks of life these last few years... Brendan
RE: (313) UR
Maybe it's just me, but I interpreted that comment as a reference to the KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. -Original Message- From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 April 2003 21:08 To: Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) UR One hopes. I've been a big fan of UR for years.
RE: (313) UR
While it is unfortunate that Kenny is being ripped off, it truly is a minor problem considering the real problems facings the world today. The real shock and awe is what's going on not only to the innocent civilians of Iraq but also in the us via the mainstream media. To use war analogies for what is truly an insignificant problem is deeply offensive and could only come from an ignorant brainwashed American ( what we cannot believe from the caller...) one hopes. War is necessary only when a true threat exists. Do the people in these photos look threatening to you http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm? Who is the real criminal here, Saddam or the fearless idiot GW Bush? It's time we wake the f***k up and put the so called UR killer bees to good work instead of settling other people's business. We talk about a revolution all the time, now how about actually put our money where our mouth is ? P.S: the photos show in the included link of this email come from reliable independents journalists from Al Jazeera, La Voz de Aztlan, MSNBC,Yahoo,BBC,AP,Reuters, and NY times. A hard Truth Soldier from the bunker at http://www.guerrillanews.com/ and as we are not completely limited we launched http://www.guerrillafunk.com/ to pass the Hard Truth Message on to the mass thru music |-Original Message- |From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:28 PM |To: Kai; Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) UR | | |Maybe it's just me, but I interpreted that comment as a reference to the |KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical |one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for |that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. | | -Original Message- | From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 09 April 2003 21:08 | To: Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) UR | | | One hopes. I've been a big fan of UR for years. |
Re: (313) UR
shut up about the war. take it to a list about war or go troll elsewhere - Original Message - From: Sylvie da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: RE: (313) UR While it is unfortunate that Kenny is being ripped off, it truly is a minor problem considering the real problems facings the world today. The real shock and awe is what's going on not only to the innocent civilians of Iraq but also in the us via the mainstream media. To use war analogies for what is truly an insignificant problem is deeply offensive and could only come from an ignorant brainwashed American ( what we cannot believe from the caller...) one hopes. War is necessary only when a true threat exists. Do the people in these photos look threatening to you http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm? Who is the real criminal here, Saddam or the fearless idiot GW Bush? It's time we wake the f***k up and put the so called UR killer bees to good work instead of settling other people's business. We talk about a revolution all the time, now how about actually put our money where our mouth is ? P.S: the photos show in the included link of this email come from reliable independents journalists from Al Jazeera, La Voz de Aztlan, MSNBC,Yahoo,BBC,AP,Reuters, and NY times. A hard Truth Soldier from the bunker at http://www.guerrillanews.com/ and as we are not completely limited we launched http://www.guerrillafunk.com/ to pass the Hard Truth Message on to the mass thru music |-Original Message- |From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:28 PM |To: Kai; Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) UR | | |Maybe it's just me, but I interpreted that comment as a reference to the |KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical |one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for |that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. | | -Original Message- | From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 09 April 2003 21:08 | To: Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) UR | | | One hopes. I've been a big fan of UR for years. |
RE: (313) UR
Maybe you change your name to ::( ! -Original Message- From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Brendan Nelson; Kai; Ralf Gill Subject: Re: (313) UR shut up about the war. take it to a list about war or go troll elsewhere - Original Message - From: Sylvie da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: RE: (313) UR While it is unfortunate that Kenny is being ripped off, it truly is a minor problem considering the real problems facings the world today. The real shock and awe is what's going on not only to the innocent civilians of Iraq but also in the us via the mainstream media. To use war analogies for what is truly an insignificant problem is deeply offensive and could only come from an ignorant brainwashed American ( what we cannot believe from the caller...) one hopes. War is necessary only when a true threat exists. Do the people in these photos look threatening to you http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm? Who is the real criminal here, Saddam or the fearless idiot GW Bush? It's time we wake the f***k up and put the so called UR killer bees to good work instead of settling other people's business. We talk about a revolution all the time, now how about actually put our money where our mouth is ? P.S: the photos show in the included link of this email come from reliable independents journalists from Al Jazeera, La Voz de Aztlan, MSNBC,Yahoo,BBC,AP,Reuters, and NY times. A hard Truth Soldier from the bunker at http://www.guerrillanews.com/ and as we are not completely limited we launched http://www.guerrillafunk.com/ to pass the Hard Truth Message on to the mass thru music |-Original Message- |From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:28 PM |To: Kai; Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) UR | | |Maybe it's just me, but I interpreted that comment as a reference to the |KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical |one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for |that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. | | -Original Message- | From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 09 April 2003 21:08 | To: Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) UR | | | One hopes. I've been a big fan of UR for years. | Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) UR
the list survived 2 weeks until this email!! I AM PROUD OF YOU ALL! ab -Original Message- From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Brendan Nelson; Kai; Ralf Gill Subject: Re: (313) UR shut up about the war. take it to a list about war or go troll elsewhere - Original Message - From: Sylvie da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: RE: (313) UR While it is unfortunate that Kenny is being ripped off, it truly is a minor problem considering the real problems facings the world today. The real shock and awe is what's going on not only to the innocent civilians of Iraq but also in the us via the mainstream media. To use war analogies for what is truly an insignificant problem is deeply offensive and could only come from an ignorant brainwashed American ( what we cannot believe from the caller...) one hopes. War is necessary only when a true threat exists. Do the people in these photos look threatening to you http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm? Who is the real criminal here, Saddam or the fearless idiot GW Bush? It's time we wake the f***k up and put the so called UR killer bees to good work instead of settling other people's business. We talk about a revolution all the time, now how about actually put our money where our mouth is ? P.S: the photos show in the included link of this email come from reliable independents journalists from Al Jazeera, La Voz de Aztlan, MSNBC,Yahoo,BBC,AP,Reuters, and NY times. A hard Truth Soldier from the bunker at http://www.guerrillanews.com/ and as we are not completely limited we launched http://www.guerrillafunk.com/ to pass the Hard Truth Message on to the mass thru music |-Original Message- |From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:28 PM |To: Kai; Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) UR | | |Maybe it's just me, but I interpreted that comment as a reference to the |KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical |one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for |that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. | | -Original Message- | From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 09 April 2003 21:08 | To: Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) UR | | | One hopes. I've been a big fan of UR for years. | --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.449 / Virus Database: 251 - Release Date: 1/27/2003
Re: (313) UR
the list survived 2 weeks until this email!! I AM PROUD OF YOU ALL! Heh, damn that UR crowd :) (note the smiley :) In keeping with the recent Eevolute thread, I have a spare copy of Eevolute 008 - The Keyprocessor (a1. this ascii keyboard can't deal with those characters :), a2. Faery tales, B1. Dirt, B2. Cabs) . Email me privately if you're interested. Cheers, Sven
(313) Don't Mention The War (WAS - Re: (313) UR)
shut up about the war. take it to a list about war or go troll elsewhere OK, this is all I'll say - I didn't think the email was trolling, it only spoke in the language of the UR missive. Andthis isn't the place to discuss the war, but you should all check out guerillanews, it's pretty coolI actually agree that UR's analogy is a little bit heavy-handed, they ceertainly don't seem to enlightened when they use the language of their government - imagine a German label proposing a Final Solution of bootleggers??!! Just my 2p, Andrew - Original Message - From: Sylvie da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: RE: (313) UR While it is unfortunate that Kenny is being ripped off, it truly is a minor problem considering the real problems facings the world today. The real shock and awe is what's going on not only to the innocent civilians of Iraq but also in the us via the mainstream media. To use war analogies for what is truly an insignificant problem is deeply offensive and could only come from an ignorant brainwashed American ( what we cannot believe from the caller...) one hopes. War is necessary only when a true threat exists. Do the people in these photos look threatening to you http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm? Who is the real criminal here, Saddam or the fearless idiot GW Bush? It's time we wake the f***k up and put the so called UR killer bees to good work instead of settling other people's business. We talk about a revolution all the time, now how about actually put our money where our mouth is ? P.S: the photos show in the included link of this email come from reliable independents journalists from Al Jazeera, La Voz de Aztlan, MSNBC,Yahoo,BBC,AP,Reuters, and NY times. A hard Truth Soldier from the bunker at http://www.guerrillanews.com/ and as we are not completely limited we launched http://www.guerrillafunk.com/ to pass the Hard Truth Message on to the mass thru music |-Original Message- |From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:28 PM |To: Kai; Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) UR | | |Maybe it's just me, but I interpreted that comment as a reference to the |KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical |one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for |that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. | | -Original Message- | From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 09 April 2003 21:08 | To: Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) UR | | | One hopes. I've been a big fan of UR for years. |
RE: (313) UR
I interpreted that comment as a reference to the KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. I second, third and forth this onethis is the ONLY comment that's made sense so far... WORD. d$ -Original Message- From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:28 AM To: Kai; Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) UR Maybe it's just me, but I interpreted that comment as a reference to the KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. -Original Message- From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 April 2003 21:08 To: Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) UR One hopes. I've been a big fan of UR for years.
Re: (313) London Easter Saturday
Greetings London 313ers, Any decent 313-related events on in your fair city on Easter Saturday or even Good Friday? Any info greatly appreciated... James ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. **
RE: (313) London Easter Saturday
Did yall notice that Easter is on 4/20 this year ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:23 AM To: Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) London Easter Saturday Greetings London 313ers, Any decent 313-related events on in your fair city on Easter Saturday or even Good Friday? Any info greatly appreciated... James ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. **
Re: (313) London Easter Saturday
what is easter? - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:20 PM Subject: RE: (313) London Easter Saturday Did yall notice that Easter is on 4/20 this year ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:23 AM To: Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) London Easter Saturday Greetings London 313ers, Any decent 313-related events on in your fair city on Easter Saturday or even Good Friday?
RE: (313) London Easter Saturday
The list's very own Tristan Watkins is playing at Adult Youth Club @ The Cricketers, Northwold Road, Stoke Newington on Good Friday and on the Saturday, there is: Clever Music @ Public Life Saturday April 19th 2003 8pm-2am(ish) Outside Christchurch Spitalfields 82a Commercial Street London E1 6LY (Nearest tube: Liverpool Street) *** LINEUP: Jamie Thomson - Basic Level, Glasgow Mr. Thomson needs no introduction for all you regular OL's - he's behind the infamous Basic Level and Nurture @ Club 69 events (www.basiclevel.com) and is gonna entertain us with his finest hoose, techno electro. This is his debut London gig some come and support! Nick Craddock Nick's a bit of a hobo (that's a 'B'!) on the DJ front, having held residencies at both the Valvo and Public Heroes / Third Ear nights in London, as well as putting in appearances at Fabric, SEND, and a forthcoming slot at a novamute party at Plastic People. Expect a deep and minimal house set from him, to warm things up nicely. Mark-Henning Live- Clever Music Mashing up his own tracks and sampled favourites on an Ableton Live tip. Alex Stephen - Clever Music Spinning some deep trippy tech-house. Zistan - Clever Music Check out clever's Zistan performing his debut London set of funky techno. Visuals by circuit_c clevermusic.net - an online network promoting underground talent. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.clevermusic.net Don't forget May and Kevorkian doing their Cosmic Twins thing at Crash in Vauxhall on the Thursday and Lost, with Rob Hood, Juan Atkins, Fumiya Tanaka, Andrew Weatherall, Andrea Parker AND Mark Broom at Heaven on the Sunday! A very very busy weekend! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:23 PM To: Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) London Easter Saturday Greetings London 313ers, Any decent 313-related events on in your fair city on Easter Saturday or even Good Friday? Any info greatly appreciated... James ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. ** Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) London Easter Saturday
I think this qualifies, what more do do we need? Can' wait for this one. LOST EASTER SUNDAY 20th APRIL NEW LOCATION STEVE BICKNELL will be joined by a host of highly reputable djs/producers including - JUAN ATKINS (METROPLEX, DETROIT) ROBERT HOOD (M.PLANT, DETROIT) ANDREW WEATHERALL (LONDON, U.K) FUMIYA TANAKA (JAPAN) more t.b.c. FURTHER INFO email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 020 7791 0402 www.lost.co.uk Quest Pond -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 3:28 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'; Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) London Easter Saturday The list's very own Tristan Watkins is playing at Adult Youth Club @ The Cricketers, Northwold Road, Stoke Newington on Good Friday and on the Saturday, there is: Clever Music @ Public Life Saturday April 19th 2003 8pm-2am(ish) Outside Christchurch Spitalfields 82a Commercial Street London E1 6LY (Nearest tube: Liverpool Street) *** LINEUP: Jamie Thomson - Basic Level, Glasgow Mr. Thomson needs no introduction for all you regular OL's - he's behind the infamous Basic Level and Nurture @ Club 69 events (www.basiclevel.com) and is gonna entertain us with his finest hoose, techno electro. This is his debut London gig some come and support! Nick Craddock Nick's a bit of a hobo (that's a 'B'!) on the DJ front, having held residencies at both the Valvo and Public Heroes / Third Ear nights in London, as well as putting in appearances at Fabric, SEND, and a forthcoming slot at a novamute party at Plastic People. Expect a deep and minimal house set from him, to warm things up nicely. Mark-Henning Live- Clever Music Mashing up his own tracks and sampled favourites on an Ableton Live tip. Alex Stephen - Clever Music Spinning some deep trippy tech-house. Zistan - Clever Music Check out clever's Zistan performing his debut London set of funky techno. Visuals by circuit_c clevermusic.net - an online network promoting underground talent. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.clevermusic.net Don't forget May and Kevorkian doing their Cosmic Twins thing at Crash in Vauxhall on the Thursday and Lost, with Rob Hood, Juan Atkins, Fumiya Tanaka, Andrew Weatherall, Andrea Parker AND Mark Broom at Heaven on the Sunday! A very very busy weekend! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:23 PM To: Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) London Easter Saturday Greetings London 313ers, Any decent 313-related events on in your fair city on Easter Saturday or even Good Friday? Any info greatly appreciated... James ** ** ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. ** ** ** Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) London Easter Saturday
Metro Area are playing live at 93ft East on Good Friday Tickets available through ticketweb. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re: (313) London Easter Saturday Greetings London 313ers, Any decent 313-related events on in your fair city on Easter Saturday or even Good Friday? Any info greatly appreciated... James ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. **
(313) Booking contact for Joe Beltram
Hi all Does anyone know where I can get hold of this information? thanks Ian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
(313) RE: Booking contact for Joe Beltram
Doh! Joey Beltram -Original Message- From: ian cheshire [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 April 2003 16:29 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Booking contact for Joe Beltram Hi all Does anyone know where I can get hold of this information? thanks Ian --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03
Re: (313) London Easter Saturday
is Lost a monthly event or venue or what? seems cool as hell although it looks like they choose from the same 10 artists each time it happens what the hell has happened this year with the UK blowing up and detroit turning into a ghost town in terms of events? there are lots of tiny events in detroit, but its a far cry from a couple years ago. is techno falling out of favor in detroit? - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: RE: (313) London Easter Saturday Did yall notice that Easter is on 4/20 this year ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:23 AM To: Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) London Easter Saturday Greetings London 313ers, Any decent 313-related events on in your fair city on Easter Saturday or even Good Friday? Any info greatly appreciated... James ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. **
RE: (313) London Easter Saturday
Lost is semi-regular (usually monthly but not always) and moves around venues. We do seem to be getting spoiled here in London, but I'm not complaining. -Original Message- From: ::) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 4:37 PM To: Darren Longton (Marketing); 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) London Easter Saturday is Lost a monthly event or venue or what? seems cool as hell although it looks like they choose from the same 10 artists each time it happens what the hell has happened this year with the UK blowing up and detroit turning into a ghost town in terms of events? there are lots of tiny events in detroit, but its a far cry from a couple years ago. is techno falling out of favor in detroit? - Original Message - From: Darren Longton (Marketing) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: RE: (313) London Easter Saturday Did yall notice that Easter is on 4/20 this year ;) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 9:23 AM To: Brendan Nelson Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) London Easter Saturday Greetings London 313ers, Any decent 313-related events on in your fair city on Easter Saturday or even Good Friday? Any info greatly appreciated... James ** The information in this e-mail is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this e-mail by anyone else is unauthorised. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. Please note that emails to, from and within RTÉ may be subject to the Freedom of Information Act 1997 and may be liable to disclosure. ** Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) Tonight @ Spirial in Lansing
self promotion here, sorry to those who don't live in lower michigan. I'm playing at Spirial dance and video tonight with George Rahme. We will both be taging off and on from 10p-2a this will be a techno/electro (electro/techno?)event in the vien of detroit sounds come out, dance, have a drink, and say hello scotto lansing, mi. ps this event is a weekly thing put on by brown note (brownnoteproductions.com) future events include: 4/17 - matt clarke 4/24 - tom linder/steve crawford 5/1 - carlos soufront/trent abbe I know agent x and gary chandler will be there just not sure when.
RE: (313) UR
Why not just repress the records, that will stop the bootlegging and we can all get a copy without feeling guilty. Quest
RE: (313) UR
Would you ask a homeless woman why she hasn't built a house? -- Original Message -- From: Quest Pond [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 18:46:23 +0100 Why not just repress the records, that will stop the bootlegging and we can all get a copy without feeling guilty. Quest
RE: (313) UR
-- Original Message -- From: Andy Kellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would you ask a homeless woman why she hasn't built a house? thats not a very good comparison. anyway, the fact is that once the mastering is done and the plates are made, the actual pressing is not much more money, especially when youre guaranteed to sell a few thousand more. UR keep their records in constant press. they dont seem to have a problem with this bootlegging. if you strive to have limited pressings, there are prices to be paid for that. one of them is pissed potential customers who just want to buy your music. someone else happened to step to the plate in place of KDJ on this one. and with the demand like it is, who cam blame them? i have the original amp dog knights 12, but i bought the bootleg so that i can play it out as to not risk getting the damn near irreplaceable original damaged at a gig. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) UR
I agree with this to a point... the bootleggers would have a lot less market if the record were repressed -Joe - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:14 PM Subject: RE: (313) UR -- Original Message -- From: Andy Kellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would you ask a homeless woman why she hasn't built a house? thats not a very good comparison. anyway, the fact is that once the mastering is done and the plates are made, the actual pressing is not much more money, especially when youre guaranteed to sell a few thousand more. UR keep their records in constant press. they dont seem to have a problem with this bootlegging. if you strive to have limited pressings, there are prices to be paid for that. one of them is pissed potential customers who just want to buy your music. someone else happened to step to the plate in place of KDJ on this one. and with the demand like it is, who cam blame them? i have the original amp dog knights 12, but i bought the bootleg so that i can play it out as to not risk getting the damn near irreplaceable original damaged at a gig. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) UR
as been said 2 differnet scenarios ... when propaganda is needed you could talk about war - Original Message - From: Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:24 PM Subject: Re: (313) UR While I do not support the rip-off, I think the footer message War when necessary sucks big time. Peace in the good times/War when necessary. What defines necessity. If the US economic situation continues to deteriorate does this necessatate enforcing control through trigger happy kick ass advanced technology toting red-necks - know what I'm sayin'? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 10:24 AM Subject: (313) UR Not that I'm one to kick anything off or anything ; ) , but I couldn't help notice this little message here. http://www.undergroundresistance.com _ - End of message text This e-mail is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, print or rely on this e-mail. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England with registered number OC303525. The registered office of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP is 1 Embankment Place, London WC2N 6RH. All partners in PricewaterhouseCoopers UK Associates A are authorised to conduct business as agents of, and all contracts for services to clients are with, PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring. Visit our website http://www.pwcglobal.com
(313) artists vs. bootlegging
the bootleggers would have a lot less market if the record were repressed I can't disagree with that logic. BUT... I've been following this thread for awhile and a voice I'm not hearing in this debate (that is kind of troubling to me, actually) is the rights of the ARTIST. Art is not necessarily subject to the same demands as say, any old consumer product where the goal is to sell as many as possible (say, toothpaste or something). One of the benefits of owning and running your own label (or printshop, for example) is to control the trickle - or flood - of your art into an art-buyers market -- more control over your own destiny. You can still keep things limited or special if, as the artist, you feel like that is a part of your 'statement' so to speak, of what you have created. When a famous potter makes a vase, and they decide to make 5 of them, not 500... it makes that vase unique. You have to think the artist has a reason to only make 5 if that's what they choose. Is everyone forgetting that the artist has a right to release as many or as few pieces of art as they feel? Sure there are ramifications of releasing few, I'm not denying that: if demand is high enough and the art is scarce, it may get bootlegged. That is a risk. But an artist of any medium is certainly never OBLIGED to fill the needs of every consumer! That is the artists right. I have detected this slight tone of well if he just would have pressed up more it wouldn't matter, he deserved it, etc. -- but the reality is sometimes an artist might want LESS of something out there, not more, as part of the artistic statement itself. I respect artists who choose to release less, not more... even if I can't have a copy myself. But that doesn't necessarily mean I'm going to bootleg it (and profit from it) if I can't find my copy. peace, Matt
RE: (313) artists vs. bootlegging
i can see why kenny is pissed off about this-he's started a label and put out a limited pressing to see how it does and some f#ckers decide to bootleg it and make some money Exactly. A footnote: Why is the UR S.I.D. series special? I mean, MOST of the releases (not all IMHO) are excellent music, first and foremost. But as a secondary factor: it's because you can only get them new from the Submerge store. They are less widespread. Also you don't see people bootlegging the UR S.I.D. records because they know UR has eyes and ears everywhere (aka - Operatives) ;) and they defend their independence and control of distribution in a militant manner. It's not perfect, but it's worked thus far. I don't see any problem UR seeking out who booted the KDJ stuff, because it could happen to UR too. If the artists stick together and 'protect the hive', a swarm is always more lethal than a single bee. peace, Matt MacQueen
Re: (313) artists vs. bootlegging
FINALLY SOME ONE WHO MAKES SENSEit amazes me how many people can only think of themselfsI NEED THIS RECORD .I NEED THAT RECORD.ME ME ME ME..if UR wants to only make 3 records of a release then that is their rightif moodyman wants to keep his records in small numbers and not repress them...then that is his rightRESPECT peoples way of doing things as artists.some people don't do everything just to sell recordsand if they do limited runs..you better hope you get the record if not you don't get itthere are plenty of records i have not ever been able to get being from Portland, OR .and i just deal with it and usally find it a few years later owell i guess...sorry for the rant sometimes the mentality on this list annoys methanks for the comments matthew michael www.renegaderhythms.com
Re: (313) UR
This post is about UR, rather than the war. I feel it's been quite controversial to question the UR statement. There's a lot of confusion in the world and I am not comfortable with the current trends in nationalism, or anti-american sentiments in any way shape or form. It seems to me that many US citizens are reacting in such a way as to strengthen the right-wing leadership agenda. It's been a successful marketting strategy to represent resistance to the major recording industry. They are the heros of the revolution. I think that rather than parody the situation, Mad Mike is placing UR in a fictitious universe with a fictitious president and it's fictitious war. I am sorry but I am now becoming dissillusioned with the UR message. The target this time is not the majors but a rebel faction. The UR message hints towards nationalism, and I would not wish to venture into any further analogies. We (the people of the world) need to take positive action, not kill people, or betray. Peace (do you know what that means) - Original Message - From: Andrew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:34 PM Subject: (313) Don't Mention The War (WAS - Re: (313) UR) shut up about the war. take it to a list about war or go troll elsewhere OK, this is all I'll say - I didn't think the email was trolling, it only spoke in the language of the UR missive. Andthis isn't the place to discuss the war, but you should all check out guerillanews, it's pretty coolI actually agree that UR's analogy is a little bit heavy-handed, they ceertainly don't seem to enlightened when they use the language of their government - imagine a German label proposing a Final Solution of bootleggers??!! Just my 2p, Andrew - Original Message - From: Sylvie da Silva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Brendan Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Kai [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Ralf Gill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:53 AM Subject: RE: (313) UR While it is unfortunate that Kenny is being ripped off, it truly is a minor problem considering the real problems facings the world today. The real shock and awe is what's going on not only to the innocent civilians of Iraq but also in the us via the mainstream media. To use war analogies for what is truly an insignificant problem is deeply offensive and could only come from an ignorant brainwashed American ( what we cannot believe from the caller...) one hopes. War is necessary only when a true threat exists. Do the people in these photos look threatening to you http://www.marchforjustice.com/id191.htm? Who is the real criminal here, Saddam or the fearless idiot GW Bush? It's time we wake the f***k up and put the so called UR killer bees to good work instead of settling other people's business. We talk about a revolution all the time, now how about actually put our money where our mouth is ? P.S: the photos show in the included link of this email come from reliable independents journalists from Al Jazeera, La Voz de Aztlan, MSNBC,Yahoo,BBC,AP,Reuters, and NY times. A hard Truth Soldier from the bunker at http://www.guerrillanews.com/ and as we are not completely limited we launched http://www.guerrillafunk.com/ to pass the Hard Truth Message on to the mass thru music |-Original Message- |From: Brendan Nelson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] |Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 12:28 PM |To: Kai; Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org |Subject: RE: (313) UR | | |Maybe it's just me, but I interpreted that comment as a reference to the |KDJ/bootlegging/killer-bees situation rather than the geopolitical |one... war when necessary, against the programmers (or bootleggers, for |that matter), which is completely consistent with UR's general stance. | | -Original Message- | From: Kai [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 09 April 2003 21:08 | To: Ralf Gill; 313@hyperreal.org | Subject: Re: (313) UR | | | One hopes. I've been a big fan of UR for years. |
RE: (313) UR
You know, I really don't seem to remember ever hearing anyone complaining about the boot legging of the Set Up 707 record that Edge of Motion put out on DJAX. I know DJAX had a limited press run that was put on clear vinyl. Probaby around 1,000 copies. DJAX never pressed another copy of it...yet I remember Record Time getting two very large shipments of this in on black white label vinyl. And I remember all my frineds being so happy that it was bootlegged so they could finally have a copy. I bought 2 copies of it...I sold one on eBay last year for $20. How evil does that make me?? peace Jeff -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 6:15 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) UR -- Original Message -- From: Andy Kellman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would you ask a homeless woman why she hasn't built a house? thats not a very good comparison. anyway, the fact is that once the mastering is done and the plates are made, the actual pressing is not much more money, especially when youre guaranteed to sell a few thousand more. UR keep their records in constant press. they dont seem to have a problem with this bootlegging. if you strive to have limited pressings, there are prices to be paid for that. one of them is pissed potential customers who just want to buy your music. someone else happened to step to the plate in place of KDJ on this one. and with the demand like it is, who cam blame them? i have the original amp dog knights 12, but i bought the bootleg so that i can play it out as to not risk getting the damn near irreplaceable original damaged at a gig. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) UR
- Original Message - From: FC2 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: RE: (313) UR You know, I really don't seem to remember ever hearing anyone complaining about the boot legging of the Set Up 707 record that Edge of Motion put out on DJAX. I know DJAX had a limited press run that was put on clear vinyl. Probaby around 1,000 copies. DJAX never pressed another copy of it...yet I remember Record Time getting two very large shipments of this in on black white label vinyl. And I remember all my frineds being so happy that it was bootlegged so they could finally have a copy. I bought 2 copies of it...I sold one on eBay last year for $20. How evil does that make me?? very. :P repent! -Joe
