Re: (313) Render List
no On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Martin Dust wrote: I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
(313) Fabric 17 - Akufen
Well it arrived in the post yeseterday and I gotta say that for me, this is the best Fabric release in quite a while. Lots of layering, heaps of quality canadian goodness - the future sounds great! Even though there's plenty of the clicky minimal perlon sound, it doesn't get boring or repetitive. I urge everyone to get out there and get a copy.
RE: (313) Innerzone Orchestra
Not wanting to spoil the party as such, it's just that ... Rubadub, Glasgow, UK also has the same item available, new, at a set price of $21.82. k -Original Message- From: Cathryn Sunday [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:25 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (313) Innerzone Orchestra This record will be listed on Ebay at 8pm tonight. Innerzone Orchestra-Programmed on Mercury Records. 5x10, vinyl in excellent condition, cardboard sleeves and box are worn but still in great condition. Original calendar, though outdated, is also included. This will be listed for 10 days. Ebay user name: novasolis Good luck to those interested. Ciao, Cathryn
Re: (313) Fabric 17 - Akufen
especially that Ultrakurt 'M'Gell' track is so warm and deep! I wonder who's behind that. Akufen sure did a good job to integrate some of the coolest minimal dubby dodge around Simon Hindle schreef: Well it arrived in the post yeseterday and I gotta say that for me, this is the best Fabric release in quite a while. Lots of layering, heaps of quality canadian goodness - the future sounds great! Even though there's plenty of the clicky minimal perlon sound, it doesn't get boring or repetitive. I urge everyone to get out there and get a copy.
Re: (313) Innerzone Orchestra
Hi there, unfortunately our Gemm database is hopelessley out of date at the moment- our new computer system is being installed today, swiftly followed by a huge stock check so I'll keep you informed as to what goodies turn up. We may have the Innerzone boxed set but I couldn't honestly say at the moment!! cheers Jason On 16 Jul 2004, at 08:32, Ken Odeluga wrote: Not wanting to spoil the party as such, it's just that ... Rubadub, Glasgow, UK also has the same item available, new, at a set price of $21.82. k
(313) More from EmotionElectric
hi all, we are proud to present another mix from ToddE. i'll let the tracklist and the music do the talking: ToddE - Midnight Adventure - www.emotionelectric.com 01. Backseat Driver - Barkin Speaker [MuMu] 02. Silent Breed - Ancient Game [A.F.U.] 03. Dark Comedy - War Of The Worlds (Epic Mix) [Transmat] 04. Soul Center - Can I Ask You [W.v.B. Enterprises] 05. Savas Pascalidis - Satellite 909 [Lasergun] 06. Mateo Murphy - Bring It Back [Turbo] 07. Frankie Bones - The Music [Pro Jex] 08. Wink - Are You There... [Ovum] 09. Gemini - Trip [Sounds] 10. Clubheroes - Dum Dum [Green Velvet Remix] [Formaldehyd] 11. Unknown Artist - For The Doves [White] 12. Neil Landstrumm - Takks [Scandinavia Records] 13. Cajmere - Percolator [Cajual Records] 14. GusGus - Your Moves Are Mine [React] 15. Umen - 140 [Secret Mixes Fixes] 16. LFO - Freak [Warp] 17. Bergheim 34 - Random Access Memory (MoveD D-Man Remix) [Klang Elektronik] 18. Dave Clarke - Before I Was So Rudely Interrupted [ICrunch] 19. Anthony Rother - Simulationszeitalter [Psy49Net] 20. Link - Amenity [Dawn] 21. Format #1 - Solid Session [ESP Records] 22. Soul Center - Psycho Set [W.v.B. Enterprises]
(313) Ultrakurt Re: (313) Fabric 17 - Akufen
De Block, Mario wrote: especially that Ultrakurt 'M'Gell' track is so warm and deep! I wonder who's behind that. Ultrakurt is Jean-Guillaime Cabanne (ie Cabanne) and David Gluck. Hope this helps. Andrew -- Andrew Duke releases out now: Just Because You Can Doesn't Mean You Should (caw022) More Destructive Than Organized (caw021) Take Nothing For Granted (caw020) Environmental Politics (and/9) Sprung (bleep12) *Canadian electronica album of the year nominee* Highest Common Denominator (pie010) Physical and Mental Health (fc1) 74'02 (split with Hypo) (axe008.02) Sit/Stand: Live Humidity (caw016) 09X90 (caw015) audio clips ordering info: http://cognitionaudioworks.com --
Re: (313) Render List
I thought it would be a good idea, that's why i had started something similar, in PHP. But i came to the conclusion that list members wouldn't like to have their posts 'online', even though the domain part of email adresses would be hidden. I then thought the site should be list-members only, so via an account based on the subscribed email adresses. But i've quit, since i dunno if it would be appreciated, and really useful anyway . . . - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (313) Render List no - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: (313) Render List I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
RE: (313) Render List
Although it seems like a good idea and has some advantages, the disadvantage of the relative loss of some security outweighs them, for me. The anti-spam war's bad enough already! :-) k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I thought it would be a good idea, that's why i had started something similar, in PHP. But i came to the conclusion that list members wouldn't like to have their posts 'online', even though the domain part of email adresses would be hidden. I then thought the site should be list-members only, so via an account based on the subscribed email adresses. But i've quit, since i dunno if it would be appreciated, and really useful anyway . . . - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (313) Render List no - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: (313) Render List I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
Re: (313) Render List
I could password protect the site, not really a problem...and with all emails stripped we should have any spammer problems, well except for Alex ;) Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 13:42, Ken Odeluga wrote: Although it seems like a good idea and has some advantages, the disadvantage of the relative loss of some security outweighs them, for me. The anti-spam war's bad enough already! :-) k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I thought it would be a good idea, that's why i had started something similar, in PHP. But i came to the conclusion that list members wouldn't like to have their posts 'online', even though the domain part of email adresses would be hidden. I then thought the site should be list-members only, so via an account based on the subscribed email adresses. But i've quit, since i dunno if it would be appreciated, and really useful anyway . . . - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (313) Render List no - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: (313) Render List I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
RE: (313) Render List
OK, so we'd each have a password? If it really was secure I'd be for giving it a go . I do know how resourceful hackers/spammers are tho ... k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:46 PM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR; ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I could password protect the site, not really a problem...and with all emails stripped we should have any spammer problems, well except for Alex ;) Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 13:42, Ken Odeluga wrote: Although it seems like a good idea and has some advantages, the disadvantage of the relative loss of some security outweighs them, for me. The anti-spam war's bad enough already! :-) k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I thought it would be a good idea, that's why i had started something similar, in PHP. But i came to the conclusion that list members wouldn't like to have their posts 'online', even though the domain part of email adresses would be hidden. I then thought the site should be list-members only, so via an account based on the subscribed email adresses. But i've quit, since i dunno if it would be appreciated, and really useful anyway . . . - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (313) Render List no - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: (313) Render List I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
(313) More Mixy Goodness from EmotionElectric
We are proud to present more mixage from Placid. This time a 'random' mix. www.emotionelectric.com Ability II - Pressure Dub - Outer Rhythm Fresh and Low - Digital Boogie - Funk Nose The Space Invaders - Westchester Lady - Distant Filter Interference - Believe - Drop Music Los Bastedos Blaze - Lovelee Dae - Simplex Runaway Traxx - Percussion - Bottomline The Prince and the Wizard - The Wiz is a Genius - City Limits Bobby Konders - Future Lee Lewis - Atmosphere - BCR Pet Shop Boys - So Hard Herbert - Leave me now - K7 Exocet - Shogun Assassin - Catt EZE OZO - Kick the Break in
(313) Friday Monger Mix
A friend of mine has recently recorded this techno mix. Not many people have heard it yet, but the feedback he's received so far has been really good. If you do get a chance to listen then I'd be v.interested to hear your opinions. The file size is 80MB, the DJ is Stefan Monger the mix is attached below. Enjoy : 01. Jeff Mills - Growth 02. DJ Bone - Aliens Speak 03. Jeff Mills - Cobolt 04. Hardcell - Overlay 05. Oliver Ho - Sacred Object 06. Hertz Bacto - Dirty Crutch 07. Tobias Von Hofsten - The Voice 08. Pounding Grooves 023 - Mark Broom Mix 09. Jeff Mills - Scout 10. Marco Carola - Question 7 11. K. Alexi - MCM Club 12. Technasia - Acid Storm 13. W Jörg Henze - Hightec Girl 14. Renato Cohen - Step Back 15. Hardcell - Main Engine 16. Scan X - Classic 17. Speedy J Literon - Snacker 18. Joris Voorn - Luscious 19. Adam Beyer Henrik B - Heat 20. Technasia - The Start It Up Remix 21. British Murder Boys - Death before Surrender 22. Rue East - Birmingham (Ben Sims Remix) 23. Petar Dundov - Magma 24. Dynarec - Lost Souls 25. Patrik Skoog - Lysergic 26. Cane - Teknotest 27. Organ Grinda - Shades 28. Speedy J - Kreke 29. Surgeon - Badger Bite 30. Mr Fingers - Can You Feel It 31. Inner City - Big Fun http://seraphim.basemetal.co.uk/audio/stefan_monger_-_monger_mix_2.mp3 ** Entertainment UK Limited Registered Office: 243 Blyth Road, Hayes, Middlesex UB3 1DN. Registered in England Numbered 409775 This e-mail, and any attachments it may have, is only intended for the person(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. Unless stated to the contrary, any opinions or comments are personal to the writer and do not represent the official view of the company. If you have received this e-mail in error, and any attachments it may have, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. Thank you for your co-operation. ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. __
Re: (313) Render List
Resources?? owow..wide i guess, if they are determined. But who would like to do that job for a 'simple' mailinglist database. And much easier than hacking the possible future database, it just need to be subscribed to the list, then grab every emails adresses from each posts. One thing harder is to protect the website' messages from beeing referenced by search engines. Cause now they have some abilities to seek into the deep-web. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ThReE-oNe-ThReE 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: RE: (313) Render List OK, so we'd each have a password? If it really was secure I'd be for giving it a go . I do know how resourceful hackers/spammers are tho ... k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:46 PM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR; ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I could password protect the site, not really a problem...and with all emails stripped we should have any spammer problems, well except for Alex ;) Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 13:42, Ken Odeluga wrote: Although it seems like a good idea and has some advantages, the disadvantage of the relative loss of some security outweighs them, for me. The anti-spam war's bad enough already! :-) k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I thought it would be a good idea, that's why i had started something similar, in PHP. But i came to the conclusion that list members wouldn't like to have their posts 'online', even though the domain part of email adresses would be hidden. I then thought the site should be list-members only, so via an account based on the subscribed email adresses. But i've quit, since i dunno if it would be appreciated, and really useful anyway . . . - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (313) Render List no - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: (313) Render List I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
RE: (313) Render List
...I mean from what I can see, they don't need any real incentive - apart from the challenge of actually succeeding! Plus also, some want to get more email addresses of course. k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:23 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List Resources?? owow..wide i guess, if they are determined. But who would like to do that job for a 'simple' mailinglist database. And much easier than hacking the possible future database, it just need to be subscribed to the list, then grab every emails adresses from each posts. One thing harder is to protect the website' messages from beeing referenced by search engines. Cause now they have some abilities to seek into the deep-web. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ThReE-oNe-ThReE 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: RE: (313) Render List OK, so we'd each have a password? If it really was secure I'd be for giving it a go . I do know how resourceful hackers/spammers are tho ... k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:46 PM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR; ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I could password protect the site, not really a problem...and with all emails stripped we should have any spammer problems, well except for Alex ;) Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 13:42, Ken Odeluga wrote: Although it seems like a good idea and has some advantages, the disadvantage of the relative loss of some security outweighs them, for me. The anti-spam war's bad enough already! :-) k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I thought it would be a good idea, that's why i had started something similar, in PHP. But i came to the conclusion that list members wouldn't like to have their posts 'online', even though the domain part of email adresses would be hidden. I then thought the site should be list-members only, so via an account based on the subscribed email adresses. But i've quit, since i dunno if it would be appreciated, and really useful anyway . . . - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (313) Render List no - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: (313) Render List I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
Re: (313) Render List
Search engines are easy to block... What a hacker would gain from reading our stuff is beyond me tho :) He'd be asleep within minutes... Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:23, KiDDy*RaVeR wrote: Resources?? owow..wide i guess, if they are determined. But who would like to do that job for a 'simple' mailinglist database. And much easier than hacking the possible future database, it just need to be subscribed to the list, then grab every emails adresses from each posts. One thing harder is to protect the website' messages from beeing referenced by search engines. Cause now they have some abilities to seek into the deep-web. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ThReE-oNe-ThReE 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: RE: (313) Render List OK, so we'd each have a password? If it really was secure I'd be for giving it a go . I do know how resourceful hackers/spammers are tho ... k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:46 PM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR; ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I could password protect the site, not really a problem...and with all emails stripped we should have any spammer problems, well except for Alex ;) Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 13:42, Ken Odeluga wrote: Although it seems like a good idea and has some advantages, the disadvantage of the relative loss of some security outweighs them, for me. The anti-spam war's bad enough already! :-) k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I thought it would be a good idea, that's why i had started something similar, in PHP. But i came to the conclusion that list members wouldn't like to have their posts 'online', even though the domain part of email adresses would be hidden. I then thought the site should be list-members only, so via an account based on the subscribed email adresses. But i've quit, since i dunno if it would be appreciated, and really useful anyway . . . - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (313) Render List no - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: (313) Render List I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
Re: (313) Render List
Why would i go to a website when i have all the 313 mail i find interesting on my harddisk? I don't see the extra value of something like this. On 16-jul-04, at 15:42, Martin Dust wrote: Search engines are easy to block... What a hacker would gain from reading our stuff is beyond me tho :) He'd be asleep within minutes... Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:23, KiDDy*RaVeR wrote: Resources?? owow..wide i guess, if they are determined. But who would like to do that job for a 'simple' mailinglist database. And much easier than hacking the possible future database, it just need to be subscribed to the list, then grab every emails adresses from each posts. One thing harder is to protect the website' messages from beeing referenced by search engines. Cause now they have some abilities to seek into the deep-web. - KiDDy.
RE: (313) Render List
I'd rather visit a website than have to rely on my work email to get this info, to be honest. Not bothered too much though -Original Message- From: kj at technotourist dot org [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:51 PM To: Martin Dust Cc: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List Why would i go to a website when i have all the 313 mail i find interesting on my harddisk? I don't see the extra value of something like this. On 16-jul-04, at 15:42, Martin Dust wrote: Search engines are easy to block... What a hacker would gain from reading our stuff is beyond me tho :) He'd be asleep within minutes... Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:23, KiDDy*RaVeR wrote: Resources?? owow..wide i guess, if they are determined. But who would like to do that job for a 'simple' mailinglist database. And much easier than hacking the possible future database, it just need to be subscribed to the list, then grab every emails adresses from each posts. One thing harder is to protect the website' messages from beeing referenced by search engines. Cause now they have some abilities to seek into the deep-web. - KiDDy. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Render List
Archive for a rainy day Instantly readable Great for new users Great for pointing people at questions we've all answered a million time before Can be viewed why on the road with having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such) I could go on... Time to look beyond your own needs and see the value in what people say here I feel. martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:50, kj at technotourist dot org wrote: Why would i go to a website when i have all the 313 mail i find interesting on my harddisk? I don't see the extra value of something like this. On 16-jul-04, at 15:42, Martin Dust wrote: Search engines are easy to block... What a hacker would gain from reading our stuff is beyond me tho :) He'd be asleep within minutes... Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:23, KiDDy*RaVeR wrote: Resources?? owow..wide i guess, if they are determined. But who would like to do that job for a 'simple' mailinglist database. And much easier than hacking the possible future database, it just need to be subscribed to the list, then grab every emails adresses from each posts. One thing harder is to protect the website' messages from beeing referenced by search engines. Cause now they have some abilities to seek into the deep-web. - KiDDy.
Re: (313) Render List
you can tell it's Friday... Can be viewed on the road without having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such) - you could D/L to you PDA as well Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:52, Martin Dust wrote: Can be viewed why on the road with having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such)
Re: (313) Render List
i think its a great idea. wouldn't need to save any of this then and could look through it later on... it would be even better if it was usrname/password protected. but for me that's not even a necessity if the @.blah.blah bits are stripped out. i say go for it martin. robin... On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:52, Martin Dust wrote: Archive for a rainy day Instantly readable Great for new users Great for pointing people at questions we've all answered a million time before Can be viewed why on the road with having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such) I could go on... Time to look beyond your own needs and see the value in what people say here I feel. martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:50, kj at technotourist dot org wrote: Why would i go to a website when i have all the 313 mail i find interesting on my harddisk? I don't see the extra value of something like this. On 16-jul-04, at 15:42, Martin Dust wrote: Search engines are easy to block... What a hacker would gain from reading our stuff is beyond me tho :) He'd be asleep within minutes... Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 14:23, KiDDy*RaVeR wrote: Resources?? owow..wide i guess, if they are determined. But who would like to do that job for a 'simple' mailinglist database. And much easier than hacking the possible future database, it just need to be subscribed to the list, then grab every emails adresses from each posts. One thing harder is to protect the website' messages from beeing referenced by search engines. Cause now they have some abilities to seek into the deep-web. - KiDDy.
RE: (313) Render List
I dunno, I'm not totally averse to it! :-) Anyway, wouldn't you need to consult the list owner before you do this? k -Original Message- From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:32 PM To: KiDDy*RaVeR; ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: RE: (313) Render List ...I mean from what I can see, they don't need any real incentive - apart from the challenge of actually succeeding! Plus also, some want to get more email addresses of course. k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:23 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List Resources?? owow..wide i guess, if they are determined. But who would like to do that job for a 'simple' mailinglist database. And much easier than hacking the possible future database, it just need to be subscribed to the list, then grab every emails adresses from each posts. One thing harder is to protect the website' messages from beeing referenced by search engines. Cause now they have some abilities to seek into the deep-web. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ThReE-oNe-ThReE 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: RE: (313) Render List OK, so we'd each have a password? If it really was secure I'd be for giving it a go . I do know how resourceful hackers/spammers are tho ... k -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:46 PM To: Ken Odeluga Cc: KiDDy*RaVeR; ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I could password protect the site, not really a problem...and with all emails stripped we should have any spammer problems, well except for Alex ;) Martin On 16 Jul 2004, at 13:42, Ken Odeluga wrote: Although it seems like a good idea and has some advantages, the disadvantage of the relative loss of some security outweighs them, for me. The anti-spam war's bad enough already! :-) k -Original Message- From: KiDDy*RaVeR [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:28 PM To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE Subject: Re: (313) Render List I thought it would be a good idea, that's why i had started something similar, in PHP. But i came to the conclusion that list members wouldn't like to have their posts 'online', even though the domain part of email adresses would be hidden. I then thought the site should be list-members only, so via an account based on the subscribed email adresses. But i've quit, since i dunno if it would be appreciated, and really useful anyway . . . - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:15 AM Subject: Re: (313) Render List no - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: (313) Render List I've written some software that can render emails from this list into clear daily web pages, it strips out @mail.com and looks pretty clean. So my question is, do we want it? Martin
Re: (313) Render List
On 16-jul-04, at 16:00, robin wrote: i think its a great idea. wouldn't need to save any of this then and could look through it later on... it would be even better if it was usrname/password protected. but for me that's not even a necessity if the @.blah.blah bits are stripped out. That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum. Archive for a rainy day There is already an archive: http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/archive.html Instantly readable So is my e-mail box Great for new users They can read http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/ Great for pointing people at questions we've all answered a million time before We have http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/faq.html and of course Techno Rebels :) Can be viewed why on the road with having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such) People on this list all have a e-mail account, i bet that 90% of them also has a web based account, for those remaining 10% well if they want they can get a webmail account to Time to look beyond your own needs and see the value in what people say here I feel. Hmpf! my point this is a mailinglist, it has a homepage, if you think if you can upgrade that one do it over there. I am sure Hyperreal.org and the list moderators would be helpful to you. KJ
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i think its a great idea. wouldn't need to save any of this then and could look through it later on... it would be even better if it was usrname/password protected. but for me that's not even a necessity if the @.blah.blah bits are stripped out. That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum. it's just an archive i wantin a more accesible html format (not gzipped text). not really a big change from now really. or am i missing something? of course, this should be cleared with george (is he still list admin?) and hyperreal first tho i agree. cheers robin...
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On 16 Jul 2004, at 15:07, kj at technotourist dot org wrote: On 16-jul-04, at 16:00, robin wrote: i think its a great idea. wouldn't need to save any of this then and could look through it later on... it would be even better if it was usrname/password protected. but for me that's not even a necessity if the @.blah.blah bits are stripped out. That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum. Not really - just an archive... Archive for a rainy day There is already an archive: http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/archive.html Yeah, try D/Ling and reading in order... Great for new users They can read http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/ Much easier to point them a thread that list what they want... Great for pointing people at questions we've all answered a million time before We have http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/faq.html and of course Techno Rebels :) Out of date Can be viewed why on the road with having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such) People on this list all have a e-mail account, i bet that 90% of them also has a web based account, for those remaining 10% well if they want they can get a webmail account to Again from the perspective of one, let people decide if they like it - I'll do the work but you or I can't speak for everyone :) Time to look beyond your own needs and see the value in what people say here I feel. Hmpf! my point this is a mailinglist, it has a homepage, if you think if you can upgrade that one do it over there. I am sure Hyperreal.org and the list moderators would be helpful to you. Time to move forward - I'd like to read the list in my hotel room when I'm travel'in - can do that now, I'd love to D/l all the mails on my PDA, reply and U/L when I'm on a train... Technology - lets use it... Martin
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That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum. I think KJ makes an important point here. I quite like the 'listness' of 313. It means that the kind of discussions that occur have a particular feel and tempo that you don't get on say, Little Detroit. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but I like the immediate nature of it. There's always the digest for those that feel differently.
Re: (313) Render List
On 16-jul-04, at 16:14, Martin Dust wrote: Archive for a rainy day There is already an archive: http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/archive.html Yeah, try D/Ling and reading in order... Well update that one i would say... Great for pointing people at questions we've all answered a million time before We have http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/faq.html and of course Techno Rebels :) Out of date Is it? but then again i say... update that one Can be viewed why on the road with having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such) People on this list all have a e-mail account, i bet that 90% of them also has a web based account, for those remaining 10% well if they want they can get a webmail account to Again from the perspective of one, let people decide if they like it - I'll do the work but you or I can't speak for everyone :) Isn't this what you asked in your first post? If we wanted something like this or not... well i don't. So if you want to do it anyway, go do your thing but don't post it here. Time to look beyond your own needs and see the value in what people say here I feel. Hmpf! my point this is a mailinglist, it has a homepage, if you think if you can upgrade that one do it over there. I am sure Hyperreal.org and the list moderators would be helpful to you. Time to move forward - I'd like to read the list in my hotel room when I'm travel'in - can do that now, I'd love to D/l all the mails on my PDA, reply and U/L when I'm on a train... If you would really help this list, do it for free, for hyperreal.org, give them the site. This list is hosted at hyperreal.org and hyperreal.org has done a lot of things for the global electronic music scene, support it. KJ
Re: (313) Render List
Can be viewed why on the road with having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such) People on this list all have a e-mail account, i bet that 90% of them also has a web based account, for those remaining 10% well if they want they can get a webmail account to Again from the perspective of one, let people decide if they like it - I'll do the work but you or I can't speak for everyone :) Isn't this what you asked in your first post? If we wanted something like this or not... well i don't. So if you want to do it anyway, go do your thing but don't post it here. You read me wrong - Yes I did ask and I am interested but throwing numbers around when you have no facts or asking everyone is my point - I don't mind if people say no... Time to move forward - I'd like to read the list in my hotel room when I'm travel'in - can do that now, I'd love to D/l all the mails on my PDA, reply and U/L when I'm on a train... If you would really help this list, do it for free, for hyperreal.org, give them the site. This list is hosted at hyperreal.org and hyperreal.org has done a lot of things for the global electronic music scene, support it. No sure what you mean KJ... Martin
Re: (313) Render List
i've finally understood what your getting at kj. so what we want is just an updated hyperreal.org archive system (in html) nowt else. yeah i like the way the list ebbs and flows in it's traffic too dan robin... On 16 Jul 2004, at 15:40, kj at technotourist dot org wrote: On 16-jul-04, at 16:14, Martin Dust wrote: Archive for a rainy day There is already an archive: http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/archive.html Yeah, try D/Ling and reading in order... Well update that one i would say... Great for pointing people at questions we've all answered a million time before We have http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/faq.html and of course Techno Rebels :) Out of date Is it? but then again i say... update that one Can be viewed why on the road with having to have a mail account (cybercafe's and such) People on this list all have a e-mail account, i bet that 90% of them also has a web based account, for those remaining 10% well if they want they can get a webmail account to Again from the perspective of one, let people decide if they like it - I'll do the work but you or I can't speak for everyone :) Isn't this what you asked in your first post? If we wanted something like this or not... well i don't. So if you want to do it anyway, go do your thing but don't post it here. Time to look beyond your own needs and see the value in what people say here I feel. Hmpf! my point this is a mailinglist, it has a homepage, if you think if you can upgrade that one do it over there. I am sure Hyperreal.org and the list moderators would be helpful to you. Time to move forward - I'd like to read the list in my hotel room when I'm travel'in - can do that now, I'd love to D/l all the mails on my PDA, reply and U/L when I'm on a train... If you would really help this list, do it for free, for hyperreal.org, give them the site. This list is hosted at hyperreal.org and hyperreal.org has done a lot of things for the global electronic music scene, support it. KJ
Re: (313) Render List
I'll chime in - I agree with Dan and KJ are saying however, I think the archive needs some serious overhauling - I don't know if that's possible with the way the list is set up right now That said, I also agree with Martin's reasoning - we could access the list from any place if we felt the need to the archive would be much better, and all the other things that I can't remember because I trashed the messages who cares though - I just won a whole bunch of Insync vs Mysteron records on eBay - all brand spankin' new: These 4 Walls, Android Architect 2x12, and a promo copy of Ordinary Folk (Insync) The Beyond - all for under $30 then this weekend is Kenny Larkin @ Gabe's so Happy Friday everyone! MEK Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org o.ukcc: Subject: Re: (313) Render List 07/16/04 09:33 AM That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum. I think KJ makes an important point here. I quite like the 'listness' of 313. It means that the kind of discussions that occur have a particular feel and tempo that you don't get on say, Little Detroit. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but I like the immediate nature of it. There's always the digest for those that feel differently.
Re: (313) Render List
I'm reading this thread and what jumps out to me as opportunity with what's
been offered ... is perhaps the ability to search. haven't we talked about this
before concerning the usability of the current archives setup? I'm not knocking
what exists ('cos it's great that it *does* exist), just saying that maybe this
could help more in the future when someone says ... 'hey wasn't there something
a few years back about _insert techno topic here_' - and then we'd actually be
able to find it (by keyword search, and not oodles of mails around to see who's
still got it on their hard drive, etc.).
I don't think 313 should turn into a forum. I like that it's a list. Remember
Dirtylist and how that changed to a forum - just not the same. :\
lisa
- Original Message -
From: Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:33 am
Subject: Re: (313) Render List
That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum.
I think KJ makes an important point here. I quite like the
'listness' of 313. It means that the kind of discussions that
occur have a particular feel and tempo that you don't get on say,
Little Detroit. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but I
like the immediate nature of it. There's always the digest for
those that feel differently.
Re: (313) Render List
To be clear - I don't want a forum, we already have loads of those...
I want to drag this list into 21st Century, by the scruff of the neck.
I want 313 on TV, and PDA - If you fear change fine - it's just not
very techno IMHO...
Martin
On 16 Jul 2004, at 15:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm reading this thread and what jumps out to me as opportunity with
what's been offered ... is perhaps the ability to search. haven't we
talked about this before concerning the usability of the current
archives setup? I'm not knocking what exists ('cos it's great that it
*does* exist), just saying that maybe this could help more in the
future when someone says ... 'hey wasn't there something a few years
back about _insert techno topic here_' - and then we'd actually be
able to find it (by keyword search, and not oodles of mails around to
see who's still got it on their hard drive, etc.).
I don't think 313 should turn into a forum. I like that it's a list.
Remember Dirtylist and how that changed to a forum - just not the
same. :\
lisa
- Original Message -
From: Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:33 am
Subject: Re: (313) Render List
That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum.
I think KJ makes an important point here. I quite like the
'listness' of 313. It means that the kind of discussions that
occur have a particular feel and tempo that you don't get on say,
Little Detroit. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but I
like the immediate nature of it. There's always the digest for
those that feel differently.
Re: (313) Render List
cosmic caravan transmission 011101010010101. thats what I think anyway. do you agree? monkey and chips for tea too, I love Fridays. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) It's Friday
Why not waste some time while getting paid http://www.littledetroit.net/Reviews/menu.php?sm=2004-07 New reviews up/// Martin
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Hi All,
A searchable archive of the 313 list from day 1 to present is already in
place but has not been made public. I am waiting for the list moderator
to reply back with Hyperreal's agreeance to making this public. The only
issue that might be raised at this point, is that we have removed
the email addresses from the posts, but all header information has also
been requested to be removed. I and another person on the list are in the
process of writing a script that will remove the header information(except
for subject, time and such. But this will take time to put in place, test
and get approved.
Once this has been done and approved by Hyperreal, then a cron job will
be put in place that will grab the daily archive every hour,
parse them of their email header information and then re-index.
Then one would have the ability to search, based off of time frames as
well as subject and body content.
Thanks,
Dave
I'm reading this thread and what jumps out to me as opportunity with
what's been offered ... is perhaps the ability to search. haven't we
talked about this before concerning the usability of the current archives
setup? I'm not knocking what exists ('cos it's great that it *does*
exist), just saying that maybe this could help more in the future when
someone says ... 'hey wasn't there something a few years back about
_insert techno topic here_' - and then we'd actually be able to find it
(by keyword search, and not oodles of mails around to see who's still got
it on their hard drive, etc.).
I don't think 313 should turn into a forum. I like that it's a list.
Remember Dirtylist and how that changed to a forum - just not the same.
:\
lisa
Re: (313) Render List
well done
MEK
David Bate
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313@hyperreal.org
thms.comcc:
Subject: Re: (313) Render List
07/16/04 10:48 AM
Hi All,
A searchable archive of the 313 list from day 1 to present is already in
place but has not been made public. I am waiting for the list moderator
to reply back with Hyperreal's agreeance to making this public. The only
issue that might be raised at this point, is that we have removed
the email addresses from the posts, but all header information has also
been requested to be removed. I and another person on the list are in the
process of writing a script that will remove the header information(except
for subject, time and such. But this will take time to put in place, test
and get approved.
Once this has been done and approved by Hyperreal, then a cron job will
be put in place that will grab the daily archive every hour,
parse them of their email header information and then re-index.
Then one would have the ability to search, based off of time frames as
well as subject and body content.
Thanks,
Dave
I'm reading this thread and what jumps out to me as opportunity with
what's been offered ... is perhaps the ability to search. haven't we
talked about this before concerning the usability of the current archives
setup? I'm not knocking what exists ('cos it's great that it *does*
exist), just saying that maybe this could help more in the future when
someone says ... 'hey wasn't there something a few years back about
_insert techno topic here_' - and then we'd actually be able to find it
(by keyword search, and not oodles of mails around to see who's still got
it on their hard drive, etc.).
I don't think 313 should turn into a forum. I like that it's a list.
Remember Dirtylist and how that changed to a forum - just not the same.
:\
lisa
Re: (313) Render List
On 16-jul-04, at 16:46, robin wrote: i've finally understood what your getting at kj. so what we want is just an updated hyperreal.org archive system (in html) nowt else. Well if there are people who want more that is fine with me, i am just saying that hyperreal is the place for 313 so if you want to help lift 313 into the 21th century do it at there servers, it is a great concept, great people and Brian and Mike have done so much work for the online music community. If you can help make a better online community of 313 do it with hyperreal. KJ
re: (313) Render List
Yes, but quite often the list is picky about whose emails it will let through. My ability to post to this list has been sporadic, and in my estimate, only about 40% of my list emails are actually making out to the list. What good is a mailing list if those subscribing cannot contribute. By offering a web-based interface as an option for those who are already subscribed, you're simply letting subscribers use an alternative method of posting and searching. I understand the concerns for keeping it the way its been for ten years, and I'll stay subscribed regardless; however, I don't see this as such a bad idea. Change is good. And besides, if it ends up sucking horribly, who says you can't change it back? Matthew http://threeonethree.com longlivedetroitunderground Oakland University Classroom Support and Instructional Technical Services Office of Presentation Development 200C Elliott Hall Rochester, MI 48309-4401 (248) 370-4973 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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plus there should be some sort of method for the archive to be updated with little or no human intervention. it's not september 2002 anymore; the .gz archives apparently haven't been updated since then. i dunno, i'm all for it. i'm sick of getting home and having 20 different emails i've saved from the 313 list and not remembering why i kept them all. i think having a secure yet searchable html archive would make things easier. - Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:17 am Subject: Re: (313) Render List i think its a great idea. wouldn't need to save any of this then and could look through it later on... it would be even better if it was usrname/password protected. but for me that's not even a necessity if the @.blah.blah bits are stripped out. That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum. it's just an archive i wantin a more accesible html format (not gzipped text). not really a big change from now really. or am i missing something? of course, this should be cleared with george (is he still list admin?) and hyperreal first tho i agree. cheers robin...
Re: (313) Render List
Remote control and microcassettes?
- j
- Original Message -
From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:59 am
Subject: Re: (313) Render List
To be clear - I don't want a forum, we already have loads of those...
I want to drag this list into 21st Century, by the scruff of the
neck.
I want 313 on TV, and PDA - If you fear change fine - it's just
not
very techno IMHO...
Martin
On 16 Jul 2004, at 15:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm reading this thread and what jumps out to me as opportunity
with
what's been offered ... is perhaps the ability to search.
haven't we
talked about this before concerning the usability of the current
archives setup? I'm not knocking what exists ('cos it's great
that it
*does* exist), just saying that maybe this could help more in
the
future when someone says ... 'hey wasn't there something a few
years
back about _insert techno topic here_' - and then we'd actually
be
able to find it (by keyword search, and not oodles of mails
around to
see who's still got it on their hard drive, etc.).
I don't think 313 should turn into a forum. I like that it's a
list.
Remember Dirtylist and how that changed to a forum - just not
the
same. :\
lisa
- Original Message -
From: Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:33 am
Subject: Re: (313) Render List
That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum.
I think KJ makes an important point here. I quite like the
'listness' of 313. It means that the kind of discussions that
occur have a particular feel and tempo that you don't get on say,
Little Detroit. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but I
like the immediate nature of it. There's always the digest for
those that feel differently.
(313) Kenny Larkin in Iowa City Saturday
Kenny is comming to gabes in Iowa city this saturday. Hope to see some of you 313 peps out there! peace ryan burns _ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com
(313) Derek Plaslaiko @ Cooper Hewitt Museum 7/23
Just a heads up to NYC peeps that Derek will be spinning from 6-9pm on Friday July 23rd http://ndm.si.edu/GARDEN/index.html
Re: (313) Derek Plaslaiko @ Cooper Hewitt Museum 7/23
and he'll be playing for us later in the evening on July 23rd at a nice new lil irish pub called Mr. Dennehy's down in the BASSment for a weeklky called Moving. Ulysses is our guest for this evening. I hear Derek is playing Knitting Factory in nyc for a Ghostly Show too. http://blancodisco.com for E-Flyer. carry on Fred Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a heads up to NYC peeps that Derek will be spinning from 6-9pm on Friday July 23rd http://ndm.si.edu/GARDEN/index.html benny blanco® blancodisco / nyc http://blancodisco.com
(313) tonight in the d: bandwidth - detroitluv nights v2.11
i'll be playing 10:00 - 11:30 in the front room. hope to see you detroiters there. NEFARIOUS.NET presents.. BANDWIDTH: DetroitLuv Nights v2.11 July Air Conditioned Venue Appreciation Edition Friday, July 16, 2004 The Works Detroit 1846 Michigan Avenue Detroit 48226 www.theworksdetroit.com featuring... KEITH KEMP (Live) (aka psilopolisp) Detroit Bachelor DJ Society / Detroit GIANT CHEETAH (Live) (aka GIANT CHEETAH) City People Music / Detroit GREG MUDGE (aka Craig Madge) GM313 / eFF. MacNallies / Powertrain / Detroit JEREMY CHRISTIAN (aka 4thandInches) Fenton RONIN SELECTA (aka r0n1n) featuring MC Teddy Rewind Records / Detroit ANI (aka lurndja) lofthouse / Detroit JOHN JOHR (aka carbon_copy) Cave DJs / Input+Output / Detroit Passing the Torch Drink Special: Sambuca (there's plenty of it now) $5.00 all night. Doors at 10:00 p.m. 18+ w/ Valid ID - wristband action. www.nefarious.net www.detroitluv.com
