(313) new der zylkus

2004-08-10 Thread jason kenjar

hey folks-

	Just listened to the new der zyklus *teaser* at Formic website.  Im 
not feeling those tracks at all. But if you like your other zyklus 
records as much as I do, you will probably want to listen anyway.
	Has anybody heard the new album in its entirety? Has any of their 
older material found its way on the new album? In that case I would 
certainly give it a listen.Im crossing my fingers, but Im not to 
pleased from what I've heard.








RE: (313) LD/313 Party Pics

2004-08-10 Thread Brendan Nelson
 -Original Message-
 From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 04 August 2004 13:56
 
 Who dat sporting the record collector tee??? thats like 5 blocks from  
 my house.

I believe that's former Iowa City resident Tristan Watkins.

 you london kids are a damn strange bunch

What do you mean by this?

Brendan


(313) RE: do not hate on discogs

2004-08-10 Thread Robert Taylor
Excuse me for making another flippant comment which got taken way too seriously 
- I only meant it was sh!t in as far as inputting info and corrrecting 
misinformation  - it's obviously a great resource.
No need to attack me personally - if you don't like my style, press delete 

-Original Message-
From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:20 PM
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: do not hate on discogs


Pardon me Mr. taylor, but I dont see how somebody who spams the list 
daily with one or two quick sentences of  over-simplified arrogant 
generalizations has the guts to call the discogs website sh!t. Im 
just one of the many free users and am not affiliated with the site by 
any other means, but I still have to stand up for them if you feel it 
necissary to besmirch their name.

Discogs has been very helpful to me in the past.  I can only recollect 
a fraction of the many times I have found discogs to be totally 
helpful. Knowledge is power, and there is a lot you can learn if your 
are willing to spend some time researching discogs. its also totally 
free, you dont even have to be a member to search its information 
libraries.

And is it so unthinkable and unforgivable that there would be spotty 
information about Basic Channel?  I consider myself a fairly well 
informed member of the under ground community, and even i think all the 
basic channel records look alike. Artists like von oswald arent about 
advertising themselves nearly as much as you do for yourself.






On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 09:36 AM, Robert Taylor wrote:

 Discogs is sh!t and there's loads of inaccuracies.

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RE: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs

2004-08-10 Thread Ken Odeluga
How about doing us all a favour Robert and pressing 'delete' before you send
your ill-considered rude and sarcastic comments in the first place? Doesn't
that apeal to your superior logical consistency which you are so determined
to exercise on the foibles of er, an

  ***internet eamil list about techno music!***

How erudite!

The professorship is coming!

In person you are such a nice bloke. But on line ytou ain't half a twat, I
can tell you.

Good day,

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:28 AM
To: jason kenjar
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs


Excuse me for making another flippant comment which got taken way
too seriously - I only meant it was sh!t in as far as inputting
info and corrrecting misinformation  - it's obviously a great resource.
No need to attack me personally - if you don't like my style, press delete

-Original Message-
From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:20 PM
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: do not hate on discogs


Pardon me Mr. taylor, but I dont see how somebody who spams the list
daily with one or two quick sentences of  over-simplified arrogant
generalizations has the guts to call the discogs website sh!t. Im
just one of the many free users and am not affiliated with the site by
any other means, but I still have to stand up for them if you feel it
necissary to besmirch their name.

Discogs has been very helpful to me in the past.  I can only recollect
a fraction of the many times I have found discogs to be totally
helpful. Knowledge is power, and there is a lot you can learn if your
are willing to spend some time researching discogs. its also totally
free, you dont even have to be a member to search its information
libraries.

And is it so unthinkable and unforgivable that there would be spotty
information about Basic Channel?  I consider myself a fairly well
informed member of the under ground community, and even i think all the
basic channel records look alike. Artists like von oswald arent about
advertising themselves nearly as much as you do for yourself.






On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 09:36 AM, Robert Taylor wrote:

 Discogs is sh!t and there's loads of inaccuracies.

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(313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread mislav bobic
anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
guys from downlow maybe ??

I remember someone said that some new material was floating around on
p2p.


any info would be great !

thanks
mislav





(313) acid thunder party - sat 14 aug!

2004-08-10 Thread Marsel van der Wielen


Nomorewords.net / Delsin / NWAQ / BlackLabel / MOS / Aardvarck present.. .
..

Acid Thunder!
- let no man jack -

 deejays
 Aardvarck
 KidGoesting
 Newworldaquarium aka Ross 154
 MOS aka Aroy Dee

 sat 14 august
 10h pm
 5 euro

Pakhuis Wilhelmina
Amsterdam



Re: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread Martin Dust
How do people feel about request like this? I'm certainly not against 
mix mp3's but requests for LP's is a bit rich and considering the state 
we are in do you feel that it's fair to deny small label  and artist 
the money they need to continue?


I believe the days where people downloaded and then went and bought the 
product have long gone, now people just consume now.


What are your feelings on this?

Martin



On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:20, mislav bobic wrote:


anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
guys from downlow maybe ??

I remember someone said that some new material was floating around on
p2p.


any info would be great !

thanks
mislav








RE: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs

2004-08-10 Thread iancheshire
hang on hang on hang on Ken and evryone, w there :)
 
I for one get hounded for my emails that I send to my friends, the reason is 
that when I write my emails as we all do, I tend to speak it out in my head as 
I would if I was speaking to them in person but email never ever conveys this 
and so everyone reads the email in their own style. So a sacarstic email unless 
read in a sacarstic manner will be read in the manner of the person at that 
time ,same with a serious email, sometimes if I am in a comical mood I can 
mis-read them...
 
this sadly is a problem on emails, it will never go away so lets be too 
jumpy,surley there are other things to worry about :)  
 
your humbly 
Ian

-Original Message- 
From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tue 10/08/2004 09:38 
To: Robert Taylor; jason kenjar 
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org 
Subject: RE: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs



How about doing us all a favour Robert and pressing 'delete' before you 
send
your ill-considered rude and sarcastic comments in the first place? 
Doesn't
that apeal to your superior logical consistency which you are so 
determined
to exercise on the foibles of er, an

  ***internet eamil list about techno music!***

How erudite!

The professorship is coming!

In person you are such a nice bloke. But on line ytou ain't half a 
twat, I
can tell you.

Good day,

Ken


-Original Message-
From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:28 AM
To: jason kenjar
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs


Excuse me for making another flippant comment which got taken way
too seriously - I only meant it was sh!t in as far as inputting
info and corrrecting misinformation  - it's obviously a great resource.
No need to attack me personally - if you don't like my style, press 
delete

-Original Message-
From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:20 PM
To: Robert Taylor
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: do not hate on discogs


Pardon me Mr. taylor, but I dont see how somebody who spams the list
daily with one or two quick sentences of  over-simplified arrogant
generalizations has the guts to call the discogs website sh!t. Im
just one of the many free users and am not affiliated with the site by
any other means, but I still have to stand up for them if you feel it
necissary to besmirch their name.

Discogs has been very helpful to me in the past.  I can only recollect
a fraction of the many times I have found discogs to be totally
helpful. Knowledge is power, and there is a lot you can learn if your
are willing to spend some time researching discogs. its also totally
free, you dont even have to be a member to search its information
libraries.

And is it so unthinkable and unforgivable that there would be spotty
information about Basic Channel?  I consider myself a fairly well
informed member of the under ground community, and even i think all the
basic channel records look alike. Artists like von oswald arent about
advertising themselves nearly as much as you do for yourself.






On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 09:36 AM, Robert Taylor wrote:

 Discogs is sh!t and there's loads of inaccuracies.

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RE: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread Ken Odeluga
I personally wouldn't download an mp3 of an LP which hasn't even been
officially released yet. But then any mp3s I have ever dled have been at the
sanction of the artist or they were the only form the track was in. So I
guess I'm a puritan and you should discount my views completely!

k

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:43 AM
To: mislav bobic
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) convextion


How do people feel about request like this? I'm certainly not against
mix mp3's but requests for LP's is a bit rich and considering the state
we are in do you feel that it's fair to deny small label  and artist
the money they need to continue?

I believe the days where people downloaded and then went and bought the
product have long gone, now people just consume now.

What are your feelings on this?

Martin



On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:20, mislav bobic wrote:

 anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
 guys from downlow maybe ??

 I remember someone said that some new material was floating around on
 p2p.


 any info would be great !

 thanks
 mislav










Re: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread David Beattie
I dont think Mislav was asking to download it Martin
(I could be worng). He is correct in that it was
floating about on P2P a while ago (Check the LD
archives ;-)) then either JT or Minto came onto the
thread and asked if the sharing could be stopped and
it was. (No I dont have it before anyone asks)

I think it was just a simple request about release
date info which is not an unusual post at all.

Cheers
BT 


--- Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 How do people feel about request like this? I'm
 certainly not against 
 mix mp3's but requests for LP's is a bit rich and
 considering the state 
 we are in do you feel that it's fair to deny small
 label  and artist 
 the money they need to continue?
 
 I believe the days where people downloaded and then
 went and bought the 
 product have long gone, now people just consume now.
 
 What are your feelings on this?
 
 Martin
 
 
 
 On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:20, mislav bobic wrote:
 
  anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
  guys from downlow maybe ??
 
  I remember someone said that some new material was
 floating around on
  p2p.
 
 
  any info would be great !
 
  thanks
  mislav
 
 
 
 
 
  


RE: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread mislav bobic
Guys, I wasn't asking for mp3 or address where I can download it
and then never buy it.
I just wanted to know if anyone who heard it would share their
impression.
Or could tell when it should be officially out.
Think that this mp3 download, paid/not paid /pirates/sailors etc...
issue has been discussed over and over too many times if u ask me

Take care
mislav

-Original Message-
From: Martin Dust [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:43 PM
To: mislav bobic
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) convextion

How do people feel about request like this? I'm certainly not against 
mix mp3's but requests for LP's is a bit rich and considering the state 
we are in do you feel that it's fair to deny small label  and artist 
the money they need to continue?

I believe the days where people downloaded and then went and bought the 
product have long gone, now people just consume now.

What are your feelings on this?

Martin



On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:20, mislav bobic wrote:

 anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
 guys from downlow maybe ??

 I remember someone said that some new material was floating around on
 p2p.


 any info would be great !

 thanks
 mislav











Re: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread Martin Dust
I wasn't having a pop and I may be wrong, but I pretty good at being 
wrong ;)
I also can't check ever single thread on LD - I find that it pretty 
much looks after itself.


I was more interested in peoples views, I know that I buy more records 
when I hear something in a mix but

I do refuse to download stuff that hasn't be cleared.

My history is in Typeface design and the amount of times I've seen my 
work used by people who I know haven't bought the typeface really kills 
me sometimes, although it's great to see my work used by Bowie, B12 and 
even Shaggy!!! I look at the returns of spending 300hrs working on 
something and wonder why sometimes.



Ken, Rob's just grumpy sometimes ;)


Martin...




On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:56, David Beattie wrote:


I dont think Mislav was asking to download it Martin
(I could be worng). He is correct in that it was
floating about on P2P a while ago (Check the LD
archives ;-)) then either JT or Minto came onto the
thread and asked if the sharing could be stopped and
it was. (No I dont have it before anyone asks)

I think it was just a simple request about release
date info which is not an unusual post at all.

Cheers
BT


--- Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

How do people feel about request like this? I'm
certainly not against
mix mp3's but requests for LP's is a bit rich and
considering the state
we are in do you feel that it's fair to deny small
label  and artist
the money they need to continue?

I believe the days where people downloaded and then
went and bought the
product have long gone, now people just consume now.

What are your feelings on this?

Martin



On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:20, mislav bobic wrote:


anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
guys from downlow maybe ??

I remember someone said that some new material was

floating around on

p2p.


any info would be great !

thanks
mislav













RE: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread ani
can't wait to hear this.

regarding p2p file sharing of unreleased material, i don't condone
people stealing other peoples' material.  but at the same time, i
believe i have the freedom to download material because i only play
vinyl and will ultimately have to buy the record anyway.  i know the
titles i will buy when they come out, and may want a listen before
shopping.  also, a bit of laziness when it comes to encoding vinyl
contributes to my support of sharing music on p2ps.




Re: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread J.T.
mislav -- the next convextion release (dLvext2) is a 12 as E.R.P. (his 
electro/techno aka, last seen on sean d's original matrix label) and should be 
out late september/early october. we're also hoping to release the convextion 
album before the end of the year. if you go to the (really out of date) dL 
website, there are some previews if you go to the audio page and click the 
little logo that says upcoming, and also an e.r.p. loop playing on the 
contact page. site should be updated soon, sorry...

dave -- that's true about the thread on LD, tristan was nice enough to point it 
out to us. we don't mind when our stuff ends up on p2p after it's been 
released, but in this case, someone actually hacked our server (our own fault 
for leaving an easy backdoor) and stole the files and put them on p2p. it was 3 
cd's worth of music, most of which will not even be on the album/released -- 
but gerard did not want it made public in any case. no biggie tho. i doubt many 
people even got ahold of it.

re mp3 consumption, i completely agree with ani. i download mp3's and i make 
buying decisions based on what i download. i still end up blowing all my spare 
change on records whenever i can. it's also usually hard to find mp3's of new 
records until months after they are released (if at all), unless it is 
something more popular. so unless you're really patient, it's still easier to 
just buy the record if it's something you really want. album rips are easier to 
find, but many labels have done a smart thing and release their own albums onto 
p2p, in either low quality, or special edits, or with annoying voice-over promo 
in every song. they beat mp3 groupz to the punch and before you know it the 
p2p-tailored versions propagate like mad and are all you can find -- this was 
the case with kerrier district, amp fiddler, and lots of hiphop i check out in 
mp3. good strategy i think, and we might do it with the connection machine and 
convextion albums in a bit. also btw there have been several reports out this 
year, i think one australian, one from harvard, and one from unc, that cast 
serious doubt on the assumption that mp3's hurt cd sales. i'm not really sure 
how that translates to dj music (vinyl), but somehow i don't think ableton etc 
has made vinyl any more obselete...buyers are still out there, it's just a 
tougher competition for their wallets/pocketbooks

blah blah!
jt

-Original Message-
From: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Aug 10, 2004 6:56 AM
To: 313 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) convextion

I dont think Mislav was asking to download it Martin
(I could be worng). He is correct in that it was
floating about on P2P a while ago (Check the LD
archives ;-)) then either JT or Minto came onto the
thread and asked if the sharing could be stopped and
it was. (No I dont have it before anyone asks)

I think it was just a simple request about release
date info which is not an unusual post at all.

Cheers
BT 


--- Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 How do people feel about request like this? I'm
 certainly not against 
 mix mp3's but requests for LP's is a bit rich and
 considering the state 
 we are in do you feel that it's fair to deny small
 label  and artist 
 the money they need to continue?
 
 I believe the days where people downloaded and then
 went and bought the 
 product have long gone, now people just consume now.
 
 What are your feelings on this?
 
 Martin
 
 
 
 On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:20, mislav bobic wrote:
 
  anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
  guys from downlow maybe ??
 
  I remember someone said that some new material was
 floating around on
  p2p.
 
 
  any info would be great !
 
  thanks
  mislav
 
 
 
 
 
  



Re: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread David Powers
Martin,
Not to belabor the point, but I think your original judgement was a bit harsh.  
You are just wrong that people don't use mp3s to find releases to look for in 
the store.  I do that.  If I have heard the mp3 and liked it, I'm much more 
likely to buy the vinyl.  

If we take the downlow release for example, I know it is run by list members.  
I certainly wouldn't want to cut into their business and I know things are 
tight.  HOWEVER, I don't recall if I've ever heard Convextion, and there's not 
much chance I'll see it in the local record store.  The best promo they could 
do for their release would be let me hear an mp3 of the record, as I will seek 
it out if I really like it.  If I don't hear it, how am I going to know that I 
want to buy it?  

The only other possibility would be getting the release on some kind of radio 
where I might listen and say what was that?! and be on the lookout to 
purchase.

Somehow, the independent label has to connect with ME (not me personally but as 
an interested music consumer), so that I know what is out there that sounds 
good that I want to buy!

~David

-- Original Message -
Subject: Re: (313) convextion
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 12:06:45 +0100
From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: David Beattie [EMAIL PROTECTED]


I wasn't having a pop and I may be wrong, but I pretty good at being 
wrong ;)
I also can't check ever single thread on LD - I find that it pretty 
much looks after itself.

I was more interested in peoples views, I know that I buy more records 
when I hear something in a mix but
I do refuse to download stuff that hasn't be cleared.

My history is in Typeface design and the amount of times I've seen my 
work used by people who I know haven't bought the typeface really kills 
me sometimes, although it's great to see my work used by Bowie, B12 and 
even Shaggy!!! I look at the returns of spending 300hrs working on 
something and wonder why sometimes.


Ken, Rob's just grumpy sometimes ;)


Martin...




On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:56, David Beattie wrote:

 I dont think Mislav was asking to download it Martin
 (I could be worng). He is correct in that it was
 floating about on P2P a while ago (Check the LD
 archives ;-)) then either JT or Minto came onto the
 thread and asked if the sharing could be stopped and
 it was. (No I dont have it before anyone asks)

 I think it was just a simple request about release
 date info which is not an unusual post at all.

 Cheers
 BT


 --- Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 How do people feel about request like this? I'm
 certainly not against
 mix mp3's but requests for LP's is a bit rich and
 considering the state
 we are in do you feel that it's fair to deny small
 label  and artist
 the money they need to continue?

 I believe the days where people downloaded and then
 went and bought the
 product have long gone, now people just consume now.

 What are your feelings on this?

 Martin



 On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:20, mislav bobic wrote:

 anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
 guys from downlow maybe ??

 I remember someone said that some new material was
 floating around on
 p2p.


 any info would be great !

 thanks
 mislav











(313) P2P

2004-08-10 Thread robin


i agree with ani below.

thing is though if you want these tracks for playing out, or whatever, 
mp3s (unless the very minimum of 192k, and even then) just won't cut 
it. it has to be be a full wav/aiff. and do you trust th person who 
ripped it to do a good job of recording it in? (uness ripped off cd of 
course)


i view the p2p dl's as just a way of hearing a full preview of the 
material really (like you can do on any record store but with short low 
quality clips). once heard an you like, buy it.


the dl'ing of stuff off p2ps of underground labels is basically 
stealing. i know i know i've heard all the arguments about how this 
shti should be free etc etc. but we aren't talking huge record 
conglomerates here (dl'ing the latest missy elliot cd is a far cry from 
dl'ing a downlow release). in terms of underground labels we are 
talking people like us just scraping together cash to get a run of 500 
records out. sometimes selling parts of prized record collections on 
ebay to do so.


to steal off people like that is wrong and will be to the detriment of 
our scene.


ok, i've gone off on one there where it praps wasn't necessary but i 
wanted to get that off my chest. i am not saying that p2ps are wrong or 
anything like that (though replace missy elliot with cubase and downlow 
with ableton and you have my views on cracked software) but i think 
people if they dl the latest underground release off a small label and 
they like it and play it then they are obliged to buy really.


sharing of mixes etc on p2p (unless it's a proper release off a cd) is 
ok tho and is what i use p2ps for when i do.


robin...



can't wait to hear this.

regarding p2p file sharing of unreleased material, i don't condone
people stealing other peoples' material.  but at the same time, i
believe i have the freedom to download material because i only play
vinyl and will ultimately have to buy the record anyway.  i know the
titles i will buy when they come out, and may want a listen before
shopping.  also, a bit of laziness when it comes to encoding vinyl
contributes to my support of sharing music on p2ps.






Re: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread Martin Dust
You need to accept that you and I aren't everyone - you really can't 
speak from the perspective of one on this because the facts are very, 
very different,  I've just watched a friends album hit the P2P and that 
fact that he's got 10,000 D/L's from one site alone does kinda please 
him but it doesn't feed the baby and his sales haven't gone up - the 
halcyon days are over. I think you'll find that this is now the norm, 
sadly.


I've been trying to think of a good MP3 model for our label for 
months


Martin



On 10 Aug 2004, at 16:33, David Powers wrote:


Martin,
Not to belabor the point, but I think your original judgement was a 
bit harsh.  You are just wrong that people don't use mp3s to find 
releases to look for in the store.  I do that.  If I have heard the 
mp3 and liked it, I'm much more likely to buy the vinyl.






(313) Saturday in Chicago

2004-08-10 Thread atomly
saturday, august 14th
atomiq records and the opaque project present:
OPAQUE VS NEW YORK

JIMMY EDGAR | warp/opaque | detroit
- have you ever seen a girl throw her panties at a 303?  neither had we.
  this warp records recording artist will be dropping a special acid
  house live pa.

MARCOS CABRAL | trapez | nyc
- from trapez records (home of akufen, run by rrr, sub-label of traum)
  comes this minimal acid producer. rockin like kropotkin.

COWBOY MARK | the crucial get down | nyc
- on a steel horse he rides.

GIBBY | makeoutclub | nyc
- he's not only the makeoutclub president, he's also a client.  the dude
  started makeoutclub... can you say knee-deep in indie rock ass?  yeah,
  we thought you could.

ATOMLY | atomiq/opaque | chicago
- i'm losing control. i'm losing control. i'm losing control.  
  i'm losing control. i'm losing control. i'm losing control.
  i'm losing control. i'm losing control. i'm losing control.

JOHNNY LOVE | opaque | chicago
- the don juan of disco.  johnny love will save your life and/or steal
  your girlfriend.

@ MARIPOSA GALLERY
346 n justine, chicago
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Re: (313) convextion

2004-08-10 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
just to serve as another data point. i absolutely do
buy records after I've downloaded the mp3.

if i download it and listen to it once or twice i
don't buy it. if i listen to it a bunch i really do
want to track it down. the local shops here in san
francisco don't really stock the deep techno, and i'm
not usually satisfied with a the 20 sec needle drop
sample, so getting to listen to the mp3s while I work
is the best way for me to find the stuff I love.



--- Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 How do people feel about request like this? I'm
 certainly not against 
 mix mp3's but requests for LP's is a bit rich and
 considering the state 
 we are in do you feel that it's fair to deny small
 label  and artist 
 the money they need to continue?
 
 I believe the days where people downloaded and then
 went and bought the 
 product have long gone, now people just consume now.
 
 What are your feelings on this?
 
 Martin
 
 
 
 On 10 Aug 2004, at 11:20, mislav bobic wrote:
 
  anybody has any news about convextion's new lp ?
  guys from downlow maybe ??
 
  I remember someone said that some new material was
 floating around on
  p2p.
 
 
  any info would be great !
 
  thanks
  mislav
 
 
 
 
 
 



(313) nite grooves house mix

2004-08-10 Thread Maarten Baute
 nite grooves 

recorded by Deviant (aka Mark Warden, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) somewhere in
London in 1998

t 72:16

stream (real audio):
http://www.morthenkiang.com/mixes/deviant-nite_grooves.ram
download (mp3): http://datavibe.net/~mkiang/deviant-nite_grooves.mp3

or access directly from: http://www.morthenkiang.com/soundcollage.html

01) naomi daniel - feel the fire (chez d' trent dub) [ planet e ]
02) fruit loops - the message is love [ definitive ]
03) the r.a.s.e - get on up [ strobe ]
04) paul johnson - aww sh*t [ relief ]
05) gene farris - cosmic coast [ force inc. music works ]
06) the hayden andre project - tribal life (original hardcore tribal mix)
[ strobe ]
07) qx-1 - love injection (eddie's answer mix) [ rhythm beat ]
08) infra-red - love honey [ strobe ]
09) roy davis jr - i´m hungry [ sex trax ]
10) rené et gaston - quel casse-tête! [ fresh fruit ]
11) infra-red - the verge [ strobe ]
12) basement jaxx - samba magic [ atlantic jaxx ]
13) mark the 909 king, roy davis jr.  trackman - the power [ dj exclusive ]
14) terry lee brown jr. - here we go [ plastic city ]
15) dan curtin - cascade (dawn mix) [ strictly rhythm ]
16) trevor loveys - the 2s and 5s [ blue basique ]
17) gemini - ahi [ substance ]
18) wink - higher state of consciousness [ strictly rhythm ]
19) naomi daniel - stars (sub dub) [ planet e ]
20) gemini - de bass [ substance ]
21) terry lee brown jr. - back to reception [ plastic city ]

Cheers,
Maarten - http://www.morthenkiang.com/



(313) Wooow

2004-08-10 Thread Martin Dust
Just dropped Rebound on a big rig, Jesus H - is that a tune or what? Juan is
so on it with this one - beautiful...




Re: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs

2004-08-10 Thread Scotto
i'd be a millionare if i got off my ass and made the sarcastic font that i
have alway wanted/needed.
(read this in a sarcastic tone for propper effect)

scotto

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; jason kenjar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs


 hang on hang on hang on Ken and evryone, w there :)

 I for one get hounded for my emails that I send to my friends, the reason
is that when I write my emails as we all do, I tend to speak it out in my
head as I would if I was speaking to them in person but email never ever
conveys this and so everyone reads the email in their own style. So a
sacarstic email unless read in a sacarstic manner will be read in the manner
of the person at that time ,same with a serious email, sometimes if I am in
a comical mood I can mis-read them...

 this sadly is a problem on emails, it will never go away so lets be too
jumpy,surley there are other things to worry about :)

 your humbly
 Ian

 -Original Message- 
 From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tue 10/08/2004 09:38
 To: Robert Taylor; jason kenjar
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs



 How about doing us all a favour Robert and pressing 'delete' before you
send
 your ill-considered rude and sarcastic comments in the first place?
Doesn't
 that apeal to your superior logical consistency which you are so
determined
 to exercise on the foibles of er, an

   ***internet eamil list about techno music!***

 How erudite!

 The professorship is coming!

 In person you are such a nice bloke. But on line ytou ain't half a twat, I
 can tell you.

 Good day,

 Ken


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:28 AM
 To: jason kenjar
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs
 
 
 Excuse me for making another flippant comment which got taken way
 too seriously - I only meant it was sh!t in as far as inputting
 info and corrrecting misinformation  - it's obviously a great resource.
 No need to attack me personally - if you don't like my style, press
delete
 
 -Original Message-
 From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:20 PM
 To: Robert Taylor
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: do not hate on discogs
 
 
 Pardon me Mr. taylor, but I dont see how somebody who spams the list
 daily with one or two quick sentences of  over-simplified arrogant
 generalizations has the guts to call the discogs website sh!t. Im
 just one of the many free users and am not affiliated with the site by
 any other means, but I still have to stand up for them if you feel it
 necissary to besmirch their name.
 
 Discogs has been very helpful to me in the past.  I can only recollect
 a fraction of the many times I have found discogs to be totally
 helpful. Knowledge is power, and there is a lot you can learn if your
 are willing to spend some time researching discogs. its also totally
 free, you dont even have to be a member to search its information
 libraries.
 
 And is it so unthinkable and unforgivable that there would be spotty
 information about Basic Channel?  I consider myself a fairly well
 informed member of the under ground community, and even i think all the
 basic channel records look alike. Artists like von oswald arent about
 advertising themselves nearly as much as you do for yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 09:36 AM, Robert Taylor wrote:
 
  Discogs is sh!t and there's loads of inaccuracies.
 
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Re: (313) Wooow

2004-08-10 Thread kj at technotourist dot org
Yeah it is really good but unfortunately i already have 2 out of 3 
tracks. Rebound on the A side still rocks though! It is def. one of 
Juan better releases in the last couple of years!


KJ



On 11-aug-04, at 5:33, Martin Dust wrote:

Just dropped Rebound on a big rig, Jesus H - is that a tune or what? 
Juan is

so on it with this one - beautiful...






(313) Re: () Wooow

2004-08-10 Thread J.T.
hey kj, can you place where the b2 originally appeared then? i know i have it 
somewhere, have been trying to remember...

i missed the original (vinyl) release(s) of i-94 so i'm very happy to finally 
have it on vinyl...

back 2 basics pt 2 is even better tho i think! 
http://www.submerge.com/shoppingcart/realaudio/REG89.rm a!

and yet another killer ep still to come...

techno por favor!

-Original Message-
From: kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Aug 10, 2004 3:44 PM
To: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) Wooow

Yeah it is really good but unfortunately i already have 2 out of 3 
tracks. Rebound on the A side still rocks though! It is def. one of 
Juan better releases in the last couple of years!

KJ



On 11-aug-04, at 5:33, Martin Dust wrote:

 Just dropped Rebound on a big rig, Jesus H - is that a tune or what? 
 Juan is
 so on it with this one - beautiful...






RE: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs

2004-08-10 Thread ian cheshire
:0)

-Original Message-
From: Scotto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 10 August 2004 20:31
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs


i'd be a millionare if i got off my ass and made the sarcastic font that i
have alway wanted/needed.
(read this in a sarcastic tone for propper effect)

scotto

- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Robert Taylor
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; jason kenjar [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 6:44 AM
Subject: RE: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs


 hang on hang on hang on Ken and evryone, w there :)

 I for one get hounded for my emails that I send to my friends, the reason
is that when I write my emails as we all do, I tend to speak it out in my
head as I would if I was speaking to them in person but email never ever
conveys this and so everyone reads the email in their own style. So a
sacarstic email unless read in a sacarstic manner will be read in the manner
of the person at that time ,same with a serious email, sometimes if I am in
a comical mood I can mis-read them...

 this sadly is a problem on emails, it will never go away so lets be too
jumpy,surley there are other things to worry about :)

 your humbly
 Ian

 -Original Message- 
 From: Ken Odeluga [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tue 10/08/2004 09:38
 To: Robert Taylor; jason kenjar
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: RE: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs



 How about doing us all a favour Robert and pressing 'delete' before you
send
 your ill-considered rude and sarcastic comments in the first place?
Doesn't
 that apeal to your superior logical consistency which you are so
determined
 to exercise on the foibles of er, an

   ***internet eamil list about techno music!***

 How erudite!

 The professorship is coming!

 In person you are such a nice bloke. But on line ytou ain't half a twat, I
 can tell you.

 Good day,

 Ken


 -Original Message-
 From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:28 AM
 To: jason kenjar
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: (313) RE: do not hate on discogs
 
 
 Excuse me for making another flippant comment which got taken way
 too seriously - I only meant it was sh!t in as far as inputting
 info and corrrecting misinformation  - it's obviously a great resource.
 No need to attack me personally - if you don't like my style, press
delete
 
 -Original Message-
 From: jason kenjar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:20 PM
 To: Robert Taylor
 Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: do not hate on discogs
 
 
 Pardon me Mr. taylor, but I dont see how somebody who spams the list
 daily with one or two quick sentences of  over-simplified arrogant
 generalizations has the guts to call the discogs website sh!t. Im
 just one of the many free users and am not affiliated with the site by
 any other means, but I still have to stand up for them if you feel it
 necissary to besmirch their name.
 
 Discogs has been very helpful to me in the past.  I can only recollect
 a fraction of the many times I have found discogs to be totally
 helpful. Knowledge is power, and there is a lot you can learn if your
 are willing to spend some time researching discogs. its also totally
 free, you dont even have to be a member to search its information
 libraries.
 
 And is it so unthinkable and unforgivable that there would be spotty
 information about Basic Channel?  I consider myself a fairly well
 informed member of the under ground community, and even i think all the
 basic channel records look alike. Artists like von oswald arent about
 advertising themselves nearly as much as you do for yourself.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On Monday, August 9, 2004, at 09:36 AM, Robert Taylor wrote:
 
  Discogs is sh!t and there's loads of inaccuracies.
 
 ###
 ##
 Note:
 
 Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not
 necessarily represent
 those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically
 stated. This email
 and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for
 the use of the
 individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have
 received this email in
 error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Thank You.
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Re: (313) Juan Atkins - Rebound

2004-08-10 Thread kj at technotourist dot org


On 10-aug-04, at 22:04, J.T. wrote:

hey kj, can you place where the b2 originally appeared then? i know i 
have it somewhere, have been trying to remember...


It is the Model 500 track on the Panic In Detroit compilation on Buzz.

KJ



(313) todd sines dates in san francisco?

2004-08-10 Thread MTAURIELLO
hey, if anyone has this info., could someone 
re-post todd sines' dates in san francisco this 
upcoming weekend?  i seem to have lost the 
message, and i'd like to forward the info. to some 
friends.

thanks,
monikat





RE: (313) todd sines dates in san francisco?

2004-08-10 Thread Gretchen Anderson

12 August / RIOT at the Top / SF
13 August / Voda / SF
14 August / open / SF
15 August / Bionic at Pink w/ Slater Hogan, Iz / SF
16 August / open / LA
17 August / back to NYC

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 2:34 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: (313) todd sines dates in san francisco?

hey, if anyone has this info., could someone 
re-post todd sines' dates in san francisco this 
upcoming weekend?  i seem to have lost the 
message, and i'd like to forward the info. to some 
friends.

thanks,
monikat