Re: (313) Japan
I went there recently and was totally lost. The language barriers are very profound. Disk Union is the best store that I could find and even had a wall dedicated to Movement. The Tower Records in Shibuya was great for electronic music and urban and soul. There is an English language mag Metropolis which is more lifestyle. I like Remix magazine but can only look at it and is probably best for electronic reviews. I found it frustrating not being able to converse, though I tried with my dodgy phrase book. I didn't go out much, stayed in reading Thomas Hardly which didn't do much to alleviate my spirits. Wonderful country, but would have been more fun if I'd had company methinks! One night I went to a club-cum-design store called Sputnik which was great. It's one of those days where I just rattle on to myself. Oh well. Anyway, can anyone help me? Have you ever been to Japan? What are the music magazines that do techno reviews in Japan? What are the large clubs there? I notice that club womb seems to have been going for a while. Are there other big techno clubs? Can anyone help? Thanks! Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) feelin' jaded
hmm . I find Techno the most exciting dance music that I listen too . but I don't know that many people who listen or even know much about Techno, not even assuming that I do. I play Techno to people at any given opportunity, and also talk about it as much as possible. This is pretty much the same as it has always been since I started dj'ing in New Zealand ten years ago. People are still learning, people still have never heard the music. // Kevin Sauderson is playing in Wellington this weekend coming. Sadly I can't make it. But most everyone I know from around the country is going to go, sort-of, don't know that many kids anymore. My friends are putting on the party though, so I'm always interested to find out how it goes down .. and also how many young people go along. Kids are so wary nowadays .. when you tell them a Dj is great. Cause every dj they ever saw was the best in the world. However in the instance of people like Kevin there is a real interesting and strong history which I think makes the music so dynamic. In the greater sense I'm not sure a lot of the younger audience are aware of the artistic wealth culture behind the music. They are not completely accustomed to appreciating Dj's in this way. Dj's commonly are party tools or big nights out. It takes people a while to realize that they really do like the music and have an interest in the culture beyond the small hours of the morning while juiced up. a friend of mine, a bob dylan fanatic, believes that people will still be listening to mr zimmerman in 300 years, can the same be said for atkins, may et al? I think the evolution of Techno is more akin to Jazz than say Bob Dylan. While an artist like Dylan, filled a social poet role in culture .. people like Atkins and May are pioneers before their time. Techno music reaches into a social void and creates a context for communication in a society where the conventional rules have been abused. I strongly believe that Techno music that creates discussion and supports experimental ideas will last extensively into a future where hard-dance and disco will never survive. Like Jazz, Techno will be a language for the natural intelligence. I become jaded when I relate what the music is now to what it was when I was say 22. I get very excited when I think about what the music will be when I am 65. My interest in the music, politics and culture has only grown stronger. My desire to stay up all night, dance, get boosted is waning. My skills to access, understand and provide music and culture to people are better than ever before. .simon in ireland, it is music that most people grow out of, unless they are a dj/producer, as priorities change - it's looked upon with disdain, as juvenile pap. even my girlfriend, who loves this music, is starting to find it monotonous and grating. on the rare occasions when a babysitter is available and we venture out, there is a sense of unease as we usually seem to be around a decade older than the rest of club crowd in dublin. --
RE: (313) feelin' jaded
you see it can happen, god on them and you for going to check em out ...its up to us to educate the kids so if kids aren't getting into the style then we are to blame... yea .. i've had this discussion with several people in NZ. ... and the process that you have to allow for a culture to develop. please have a read hear about my thoughts several years ago on the subject . https://www.obscure.co.nz/culture/cultural_trash In the article I refer to the generation hand on of dj's. Understanding some of this has gone a long way towards how I treat the scene. Back when I was 16 there was only one promoter and about 5 dj's in my hometown. I went to all the parties and they were on about every six weeks .. By the time I was 19, I was production crew for NZ biggest outdoor event. When we did this party ' no one had ever attempted to gather the dance scene together all at once. It was an awakening moment for the NZ dancefloor when 5000 people turned up to dance for two days. Since then . and that was 8 years ago . the scene got kind'a steroid driven and there are so many dj's events .. styles blah blah blah .. // I meet kids today who are fresh on the scene and they don't even realize that we put on big parties years ago .. they think dance music was invented with hardhouse. hmm. the point I guess I want to make is that . I felt jaded for years because I put so much energy in and saw so little back ... However nowadays I realize that I did everything I should have .. I planted a seed I put all my best intentions and ideas into all the events people I came across. Good music, good cultures grow. They are not promoted, advertised or delivered. They develop and evolve in real situations with real people .. and they exceed changes in trends, style and fashion. This is only the beginning for Techno . . the music the ideas the identity is not a fast food consumer one . .. globally there is a greater more passive interest in the music that younger people will seek out as they develop their own identities. To many thoughts not enough to explain .. trust the music. .simon -- .
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
I've downloaded entire galaxies and compressed them into blackholes on my own. before long I will pwn the milky way - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 2:40 PM Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) feelin' jaded
With the earlier discussion about educating younger techno fans, i found it odd that no one brought up something that seemed to work in the past all around the Midwestern US. http://www.ele-mental.org/ele_ment/think/original/think.html My introduction to the Columbus crew occurred about the same time they published the original Think pamphlet, in 1995 or so. It's not flawless, and it requires a slightly curious mind (to read at a club, at least). But I think a lot of good was done, and I recall seeing lots of kids using their glowsticks to illuminate the pages of this small pamphlet near the smart drink stands at Michigan and Ohio parties in the 90s. More importantly the ele-mentals got it. There were fresh ideas and projects informed by history. Where the heck is Ed Luna these days anyway? If you don't know him, search 313 archives for some great background. Might be fun to see Think re-printed and scattered at parties where it is needed most. -- ian
(313) Help with identifying a track
Heads up house heads. A friend of mine is asking what is this tune: http://www.student.oulu.fi/~jtolkkin/whats_this.mp3 It's from an old mix by Frankie Knuckles. Cheers, -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net --
RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
RE: (313) Jamal Moss
alex.bond wrote: and one side on the cs strategy on eargasmic records is also by Jamal Moss. (recommended) Jurren. does this have a red label? if it does, it's the one I heard. First track on one side very nice? the label looks like the one on this release, but in red, so it is probably the one you're after. http://www.discogs.com/release/242781 the gu release is also recommended (haven't got it yet though...) has a nice larry heard-esque track. all the tracks on the cs strategy 12 are ace! one side as i said by jamal moss, the other by daryll curia, who along with jamal moss and traxx forms the dirty criminals. _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl
(313) [London spam] Shawn Rudiman this Thursday
Sorry for the spam, but there may be a few 313ers who still don't know about this... mail me offlist if you need any further info! Flashpoint Launch Party http://www.flashpointclub.com Thursday 14th October 2004 @ Public Life 82a Commercial Street, London (map at http://tinyurl.com/5v9tq) featuring: * Shawn Rudiman * - live PA (11th Hour, 7th City, Technoir Audio) plus: Matt Chester (11th Hour) Tristan Watkins Nick Craddock (Phonopsia / Valvo) Guy Thackeray and Brendan Nelson (Non Stop DJs) Doors open at 6.30pm, the night runs until around 2am, and entry is *free*! Here's some blurb about the night (it's a new monthly do): 1th Hour Technology and Non Stop Productions are very pleased to join forces and announce the birth of Flashpoint - a new monthly night for London! It will be our pleasure to present regular high quality label and artist showcases, all in the intimate setting of London's infamous Public Life. To kick things off in style, we will be hosting a special FREE launch party, featuring the core artists from our labels own rosters, alongside a couple of special guests from the cream of London's local talent... 11th Hour's Shawn Rudiman will return to London to rip things up with a two hour live Detroit techno workout - to those of you who have witnessed this before, no further introduction will be needed - to those that haven't, this is an improvised analogue funk assault not to be missed! He will be ably backed up by the Flashpoint residents - 11th Hour Recordings' Matt Chester; and the Non Stop DJs, Brendan Nelson and Guy Thackeray. We also see the welcome return to Public Life of Tristan Watkins and Nick Craddock, who previously teamed up with the Non Stop DJs at Public Life for the ass-shaking Bootytronics party. And, as if all this wasn't enough, be sure to watch out for our November party: Iridite Records Showcase - Saturday 20th November Rei Loci (live) - (Iridite, Headspace, Down Low, Seventh Sign) Jason Brunton - (Iridite, 20:20 Vision, Down Low) Elijah - (Iridite)
RE: (313) Japan
alex - i just moved here this summer. great country, very vibrant music scene and subscenes, lots of good clubs, very difficult to communicate and assimilate if you are a westerner, but everyone generally very friendly and polite. heinously expensive to do just about anything other than eat at mcdonalds or drink beer from a vending machine. best tokyo clubs on the techno / 313 tip: yellow (saw 3 chairs spin there a few weekends ago) module womb (mills weekly residency started last week) liquid room maniac love there are a LOT of big clubs, which pull huge crowds even at 3000Y - 5000Y door charges. many cool techno mags, but as most of them are in japanese, i don't know the names. metropolis is the english language weekly which hypes most of the local events. let me know if i can help you at all. respect, Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: 866.489.6463 cel: 81.90.6031.9369 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:57 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Japan It's one of those days where I just rattle on to myself. Oh well. Anyway, can anyone help me? Have you ever been to Japan? What are the music magazines that do techno reviews in Japan? What are the large clubs there? I notice that club womb seems to have been going for a while. Are there other big techno clubs? Can anyone help? Thanks! Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Japan
Ahh, you gotta love the list... Private mail heading your way Jeff, many thanks! Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) Warp vision
Hello all, Slightly OT but has anyone got hold of the warp DVD yet? Was thinking of buying on from FOPP the other day. Is it worth the ca$h then??? http://www.warprecords.com/vision/ Cheers -- Mike This message has been scanned but we cannot guarantee that it and any attachments are free from viruses or other damaging content: you are advised to perform your own checks. Email communications with the University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK legislation.
(313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric
More sounds from Placid to get you through the afternoon. www.emotionelectric.com Deep 4 Life Mix Anthony White - Love Me Tonight - UMM Russ Gabriel - Photos and Memories - Soul On Wax Planetary Assault Systems - Planetary Funk Vol 3 - Peacefrog L.H.A.S inc - Real - Cynic Diamonds and Pearls - Perspective - See Saw JS-01R Dahlback v Dahlback - Sweden 1 Canada 0 - Turbo Darand Land - Blessings - Deep4life 16b - Secrets - Alola Aural - Desire - Creative Modus Vivemdi - Modus Vivendo - Fnac Don Carlos - Alone - Calypso
Re: (313) Warp vision
My brother bought it, but hasn't any DVD player execpt on his computer. So he will come over here this weekend in order to watch it on a decent screen. Then i will be able to make some comments. But it really seems to be worth the cash, since there are some old videos of pretty good tracks. And above all, 'techno' video clips are almost nonexistant on TV (i dont have any dish or cable). So yea, im glad my borther spent the money hehe... ;) - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: Michael Lees [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:29 PM Subject: (313) Warp vision Hello all, Slightly OT but has anyone got hold of the warp DVD yet? Was thinking of buying on from FOPP the other day. Is it worth the ca$h then??? http://www.warprecords.com/vision/ Cheers -- Mike
(313) new mix (deephouse)
Hi. I've done a new mix. The mix starts of with a bit of broken beats. After that the mix heads to deeper waters with deephouse. The mix is ideal for those nice moments at home when you want to chill with your friends and enjoy the nice relaxed athmosphere. Link to the mix page: http://www.ken-guru.net/mix_deeper.shtml Biisilista: 01. Kimbu Kimra - Raising The Dead (Atjazz remix) [Mantis recs] 02. Charles Webster - I'm Falling (Electric Frog remix by Pepe Bradock) [Peacefrog] 03. Blaze - Lovelee Dae (Freestyle man reconstruction) [Playhouse] 04. Red Nose Distrikt - Ny Boom (Moonstar the Dam mix) [Rushhour] 05. Dj Dozia - Speaking in Love [FiveSix Recordings] 06. Sting - Send your love (Epod Remix) [White label] 07. Sunday Brunch - Midsummer Day [Svek] 08. I:Cube - Oblivion (Dixon's edit) [Versatile] 09. Ali - Interstate [Narita] 10. Yennek - Serena X (Inner Zone remix) [Buzz] 11. Gamat3000 - Into this lonely crowd (Joshua's diving deep dub mix) [Dessous] 12. Sylk130 - Romeo's faith (David Alvarado remix) [FiveSix Recordings] Wine recommendation: 2001 Château Timberley -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net --
RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
just pointing out that when it comes to competition, something like a concert has a distinct advantage ove a cd. On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
RE: (313) Japan
i thought liquid room closed On Tue, 12 Oct 2004, Jeff Davis wrote: alex - i just moved here this summer. great country, very vibrant music scene and subscenes, lots of good clubs, very difficult to communicate and assimilate if you are a westerner, but everyone generally very friendly and polite. heinously expensive to do just about anything other than eat at mcdonalds or drink beer from a vending machine. best tokyo clubs on the techno / 313 tip: yellow (saw 3 chairs spin there a few weekends ago) module womb (mills weekly residency started last week) liquid room maniac love there are a LOT of big clubs, which pull huge crowds even at 3000Y - 5000Y door charges. many cool techno mags, but as most of them are in japanese, i don't know the names. metropolis is the english language weekly which hypes most of the local events. let me know if i can help you at all. respect, Jeff Davis fon: 81.3.5114.3771 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] fax: 866.489.6463 cel: 81.90.6031.9369 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:57 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Japan It's one of those days where I just rattle on to myself. Oh well. Anyway, can anyone help me? Have you ever been to Japan? What are the music magazines that do techno reviews in Japan? What are the large clubs there? I notice that club womb seems to have been going for a while. Are there other big techno clubs? Can anyone help? Thanks! Alex _ - End of message text Is your business ready for the new era of accounting? http://www.ifrs.co.uk This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
I think the point is that people will spend money on concerts as opposed to records (which in theory they can download for free or minimal cost) and so artists will draw their living from live performances. It's a very good point and quite accurate I believe. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 5:36 PM Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric
Really liked this mix, it's great... well, except the last track confused me - it sounded like bad versions of songs I used to play when I was a cruise ship piano player... In fact, the piano playing sounds like it was done by someone who was drunk (as a cruise ship piano player I was drunk at least half the time I believe). Placid, if you are out there, next time how about some Thelonious Monk or McCoy Tyner playing piano... or Cecil Taylor!!! ;) ~David -- Original Message - Subject: (313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:54:56 +0100 From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org More sounds from Placid to get you through the afternoon. www.emotionelectric.com Deep 4 Life Mix Anthony White - Love Me Tonight - UMM Russ Gabriel - Photos and Memories - Soul On Wax Planetary Assault Systems - Planetary Funk Vol 3 - Peacefrog L.H.A.S inc - Real - Cynic Diamonds and Pearls - Perspective - See Saw JS-01R Dahlback v Dahlback - Sweden 1 Canada 0 - Turbo Darand Land - Blessings - Deep4life 16b - Secrets - Alola Aural - Desire - Creative Modus Vivemdi - Modus Vivendo - Fnac Don Carlos - Alone - Calypso
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
cough Last big band I worked with made nothing on the actual concerts, in fact they lost $10,000 a gig - the only thing they made money on was the t-shirts and programmes. Cheers Martin - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? I think the point is that people will spend money on concerts as opposed to records (which in theory they can download for free or minimal cost) and so artists will draw their living from live performances. It's a very good point and quite accurate I believe. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 5:36 PM Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound?
No doubt. I guess I was thinking of the big big big acts. :) -- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2004 4:45 PM cough Last big band I worked with made nothing on the actual concerts, in fact they lost $10,000 a gig - the only thing they made money on was the t-shirts and programmes. Cheers Martin - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 1:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? I think the point is that people will spend money on concerts as opposed to records (which in theory they can download for free or minimal cost) and so artists will draw their living from live performances. It's a very good point and quite accurate I believe. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 5:36 PM Not sure I see your point... You couldn't download one before, you can't now. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Monday, October 11, 2004 8:40 PM À : Cobert, Gwendal Cc : 313 Detroit Objet : RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? you can't download a concert. On Mon, 11 Oct 2004, Cobert, Gwendal wrote: Basically, there would be record sales in competition with DVDs, video games, mobile phones, concert tickets... Actually had a talk with a guy (professionnal classical musician) who sees the same happening in his field, he records less and less, but tours more and more... The interesting effect being less power to the big record companies, more power to the tour companies. Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Thursday, October 07, 2004 8:25 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Yes, that is very true for Australia, but I have no figures. Alicia Keys' latest record is considered a commercial failure (to BMG's dismay, many of the staff believed in what is an extraordinary record) yet her Australian shows have sold out. I think people - young people - are putting money in mobile phones and so don't have as much money for records. They download. Also people spend money on live shows and download music. Many a musician says that touring, not record sales, is their main source of income these days. Australia has always had a strong live circuit though. -- From: Cobert, Gwendal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 7:03 PM On the music doesn't sell as much as it used to... tip - I've read that while record sales are going down, tickets for concerts are going up very fast... Is it the same in the US and Australia as well, or just some European cultural exception ? Gwendal -Message d'origine- De : Cyclone Wehner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : Wednesday, October 06, 2004 6:19 PM À : 313 Detroit Objet : Re: (313) Is this the new Swayzak sound? Music isn't selling as it used to, period. The market is in transition and no one knows where it's heading. I think it's some kind of technological revolution that we don't completely understand as of yet. There does seem to be a trend for underground acts to set themselves up as bands, get a singer, and make something more organic, perhaps less 'faceless'. I don't think it's necessarily cynical as after all most grew up with bands like Depeche Mode or whatever (many techno types here are old goths, weirdly, who are rediscovering their love of bands like The Cure) and that's a genuine avenue of exploration for a maturing producer. But at the same time I hear a lot of tracks with vocals, not songs, and when the music is like that it's not especially memorable, doesn't stand out, doesn't click. I'm not sure what I'm trying to say - I'm not a slave to pop structures, but... I think Technasia make brilliant techno 'songs' with hooks and the vocals and everything - superb. The songs with Charles Siegling and their instrumentals are first-rate. I am sure with a different marketing strategy (and some money for videos, ha ha) they could have become a techno Daft Punk without changing their music at all.
Re: (313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric
Hehe funny, i was thinking the same :) Right after the Navarre's piano, comes this guy all alone. For me its like he's feeling so alone that he plays whatever he wants, and make this amusing 'medley'... And everybody stops chatting and look at him...and YEAA! The party is carried away...oh well at least he tried... :) Anyway once again i enjoyed this mix especially this ascent (dunno the word in english, when the music flows over you). From Diamonds and Pearls track to Darand Land one. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 11:39 PM Subject: Re: (313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric Really liked this mix, it's great... well, except the last track confused me - it sounded like bad versions of songs I used to play when I was a cruise ship piano player... In fact, the piano playing sounds like it was done by someone who was drunk (as a cruise ship piano player I was drunk at least half the time I believe). Placid, if you are out there, next time how about some Thelonious Monk or McCoy Tyner playing piano... or Cecil Taylor!!! ;) ~David -- Original Message - Subject: (313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:54:56 +0100 From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 Org 313@hyperreal.org More sounds from Placid to get you through the afternoon. www.emotionelectric.com Deep 4 Life Mix Anthony White - Love Me Tonight - UMM Russ Gabriel - Photos and Memories - Soul On Wax Planetary Assault Systems - Planetary Funk Vol 3 - Peacefrog L.H.A.S inc - Real - Cynic Diamonds and Pearls - Perspective - See Saw JS-01R Dahlback v Dahlback - Sweden 1 Canada 0 - Turbo Darand Land - Blessings - Deep4life 16b - Secrets - Alola Aural - Desire - Creative Modus Vivemdi - Modus Vivendo - Fnac Don Carlos - Alone - Calypso
(313) Holy crap it must be the 21st century or something
Just had this pointed out to me: http://beta.juno.co.uk/ Much easier on the eyes... :) Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric
Hahahe =) i haven't seen it ! It really make me listen to the whole EP :) Thank you Placid for this nice piece of originality. - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: KiDD*e* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; ThReE-oNe-ThReE 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 12:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric At 06:03 PM 10/12/2004, KiDD*e* wrote: Hehe funny, i was thinking the same :) Right after the Navarre's piano, comes this guy all alone. For me its like he's feeling so alone that he plays whatever he wants, and make this amusing 'medley'... And everybody stops chatting and look at him...and YEAA! The party is carried away...oh well at least he tried... :) Anyway once again i enjoyed this mix especially this ascent (dunno the word in english, when the music flows over you). From Diamonds and Pearls track to Darand Land one. is this it? http://www.discogs.com/release/68305 hehehe, WARNING! The saxophone in this record will induce involuntary sobbing and hugging of all close by. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) New Mix by Placid on EmotionElectric
At 06:03 PM 10/12/2004, KiDD*e* wrote: Hehe funny, i was thinking the same :) Right after the Navarre's piano, comes this guy all alone. For me its like he's feeling so alone that he plays whatever he wants, and make this amusing 'medley'... And everybody stops chatting and look at him...and YEAA! The party is carried away...oh well at least he tried... :) Anyway once again i enjoyed this mix especially this ascent (dunno the word in english, when the music flows over you). From Diamonds and Pearls track to Darand Land one. is this it? http://www.discogs.com/release/68305 hehehe, WARNING! The saxophone in this record will induce involuntary sobbing and hugging of all close by. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(313) SomeOne Here
Someone on this list has a virus, I keep getting mails from 4 different people (people who are from this list), myself included!!! If this is you: 24.102.54.56 SSL Cert: No valid SSL on this Host, Get Secure Record Type: IP Address IP Location: Canada - Ontario - Markham - Rogers Cable Inc. Baol Reverse IP: No websites hosted using this IP address Rogers Cable Inc. ROGERS-CAB-6 (NET-24-100-0-0-1) 24.100.0.0 - 24.103.255.255 Rogers Cable Inc. BAOL ON-ROG-5-BAOL-7 (NET-24-102-54-0-1) 24.102.54.0 - 24.102.55.255 Clean your machine...
