(313) Re: 313 Digest 27 Mar 2007 16:47:44 -0000 Issue 3111
Turntablelab is based in New York City. They have a brick-and-mortar shop on East 7th Street. http://www.turntablelab.com ..dc/baltimore based i think...all you need for new baltimore style sh;t, hot new hiphop singles, and they have a nice selection of classic house and electro reissues etc..starting to order clone and delsin related stuff too, nice,... TTL have also opened on the West Coast, and since that time their service has gone to sh*t. I'm guessing they now have two warehouses, no systems and zero communication. They f*cked up my last three orders, so those certainly will be my LAST three orders... Let the buyer beware! Andy
RE: (313) could change laptop performances
I quite enjoyed that thread meself. It was informative and contentious but still courteous and polite. No one left with cuts and bruises. Hmmm, did I stray into the folk music forum by mistake ;-). K -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 March 2007 23:57 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) could change laptop performances On 3/27/07, /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tom, 17 emails from you today, 18 from the rest of the list combined. I didn't read them yet, but can I assume that you got your point across? its a much better discussion when youre not involved, let's keep it that way. tmo
Re: (313) could change laptop performances
I was away from my computer when I, possibly, fueled the explosion in this thread so apologies for not following up. I was going to apologise for feeding this potentially tired discussion but I think this topic is crucial for how electronic music performance is headed, and I mean both artist's performance and DJs. The line between which is going to seriously blur over the next few years. Some thoughts: That MPC or Electribe is a computer. What sets it apart for some people is it's intuitive physical interface and software that doesn't get in the way of your creative thoughts. The stability of a single purpose computer is also a bonus. This Macbook with appropriate software is exactly the same thing if I can make the physical interface to the software as intuitive and comfortable as a pair of decks and a mixer or an MPC. I believe software/hardware/computers are pretty much there when it comes to that intuitiveness/physical interface/stability. I have no qualms with sorting out computer problems live on stage (not that I get that many, when I've dj'ed, demoed research software and even given presentations). The ability to recover from a small computer porblem/broken string/dodgy cable/broken needle is all part and parcel of being a performer. robin...
(313) new album
Hi all ! New album with Ludvig Elblaus out on Electronic Desert. Available at smallfish: http://www.smallfish.co.uk/shop/search.php?search=ludvig%20elblaus Prelisten to the new album and says hello at our place at Myspace http://www.myspace.com/electronicdesert janos / stockholm / sweden http://www.electronicdesert.com/edr
RE: (313) new album
Well, I rinsed-out 'Furious Styles' when it came out 3 years ago so I will definitely check out this one. Wait. No vinyl? That's a pity! -Original Message- From: jan andersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 12:57 To: 313 313 Subject: (313) new album Hi all ! New album with Ludvig Elblaus out on Electronic Desert. Available at smallfish: http://www.smallfish.co.uk/shop/search.php?search=ludvig%20elblaus Prelisten to the new album and says hello at our place at Myspace http://www.myspace.com/electronicdesert janos / stockholm / sweden http://www.electronicdesert.com/edr
(313) Weatherall - Reggae/Dub/Hip Hop
Great little mix hiding herewell worth checking Weatherall - Reggae/Dub/Hip Hop http://www.whistlebump.co.uk/audio/andrew_weatherall_whistlebump.mp3 m
Re: (313) new album
We'de love to do the vinyls as well but at the momnet due to the financial aspect we'de rather stay alive and keep the relesaes coming. As soon as we feel there is a reasonable possiblity to do vinyls, we will : ) janos Odeluga, Ken wrote: Well, I rinsed-out 'Furious Styles' when it came out 3 years ago so I will definitely check out this one. Wait. No vinyl? That's a pity! -Original Message- From: jan andersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 12:57 To: 313 313 Subject: (313) new album Hi all ! New album with Ludvig Elblaus out on Electronic Desert. Available at smallfish: http://www.smallfish.co.uk/shop/search.php?search=ludvig%20elblaus Prelisten to the new album and says hello at our place at Myspace http://www.myspace.com/electronicdesert janos / stockholm / sweden http://www.electronicdesert.com/edr
RE: (313) new Ludvig Elblaus album
Yes, and it seems fairly experimental too. A vinyl run might not get enough takers to pay for itself I agree. K -Original Message- From: jan andersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] We'de love to do the vinyls as well but at the momnet due to the financial aspect we'de rather stay alive and keep the relesaes coming. As soon as we feel there is a reasonable possiblity to do vinyls, we will : ) janos Odeluga, Ken wrote: Well, I rinsed-out 'Furious Styles' when it came out 3 years ago so I will definitely check out this one. Wait. No vinyl? That's a pity! -Original Message- From: jan andersson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 12:57 To: 313 313 Subject: (313) new album Hi all ! New album with Ludvig Elblaus out on Electronic Desert. Available at smallfish: http://www.smallfish.co.uk/shop/search.php?search=ludvig%20elblaus Prelisten to the new album and says hello at our place at Myspace http://www.myspace.com/electronicdesert janos / stockholm / sweden http://www.electronicdesert.com/edr
(313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
Just out of curiosity (not attempting to engineer conflict), I'd like to hear what people think of the release in the subject line - preferably those who have had the opportunity the hear the ENTIRE track or record, as I find that these tracks need to open up to be heard (as opposed to 30 second clips) and the 2nd track on the B widens things out a bit stylistically (or does it?). Somewhere close to the heart of my question is a probe at techno sub-genre categories (how much minimal is minimal?) and also the question of what makes a 'good track' or a 'not good' track before we even get to technology? We all 'know' one when we hear one, but play it to someone with alien references outside the genre-familiarity circle and your mileage will vary. I chose the Walker because I think it's a good entry point. Or not. jeff
(313) FAVOURITE ONLINE MIX SITES
okay not sure about you lot but i found the compilation cd emails really usefull, so what is everyone's fav online mix sites? Have put up a few to start the ball rolling, keeps me going at work; http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/essentialmix/index.shtml?dp_rhn_emix_link1 this week looks good http://www.samurai.fm/home/ new john tejada stream http://www.inthemix.com.au/broadband/fm/ more house than techno but some good mixes cheers
Re: (313) could change laptop performances
Nick Breinich wrote: i've watched friends restring their guitars while singing songs as much as i've seen someone rebooting a laptop. the laptop reboot is just more disastrous if you have made the choice to rely on it alone as your sole instrument. I played a live laptop gig once where my sound device crapped out and I had to wait for the whole thing to reboot - this was at a 5-minute tag-team improv night, so I ended up sticking my mic next to the keyboard and tapping keys, clicking mouse buttons and then pointing it at the fan just to get some sound out of the thing while it rebooted. would probably only really work in an improv situation, but there you go. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed
Re: (313) could change laptop performances
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: so the same thing happened to him, aphex twin (who happened to regain it just in time to make the analord stuff), and countless other which is arse-boring. aphex twin is best when he's programming a MIDI grand piano. -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed
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i didnt chime in either because i feel this is one of those flammable threads like the hawtin ones, or the racism onesfloggin a dead horse, especially when one is trying to lay down their opinion as law... but im going to do it now: life electronic music will never be much entertaining, it will never be much entertaining to watch regardless of the equipment used. there is too much going on with playing e.music for the artist to devote his energies to dancing/prancing/entertaining. i personally think it is pointless to expect to be visually entertained by the musician when one goes to see a live electronic act. regardless of who is playing. just look at kraftwerks gigs.they are fun because of the visuals only - they could have been storeroom dummies for all we know... chao f. - Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 12:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) could change laptop performances I was away from my computer when I, possibly, fueled the explosion in this thread so apologies for not following up. I was going to apologise for feeding this potentially tired discussion but I think this topic is crucial for how electronic music performance is headed, and I mean both artist's performance and DJs. The line between which is going to seriously blur over the next few years. Some thoughts: That MPC or Electribe is a computer. What sets it apart for some people is it's intuitive physical interface and software that doesn't get in the way of your creative thoughts. The stability of a single purpose computer is also a bonus. This Macbook with appropriate software is exactly the same thing if I can make the physical interface to the software as intuitive and comfortable as a pair of decks and a mixer or an MPC. I believe software/hardware/computers are pretty much there when it comes to that intuitiveness/physical interface/stability. I have no qualms with sorting out computer problems live on stage (not that I get that many, when I've dj'ed, demoed research software and even given presentations). The ability to recover from a small computer porblem/broken string/dodgy cable/broken needle is all part and parcel of being a performer. robin...
Re: (313) could change laptop performances
fab. wrote: but im going to do it now: life electronic music will never be much entertaining, it will never be much entertaining to watch regardless of the equipment used. there is too much going on with playing e.music people said roughly similar things about the piano, back when it was invented in the 1700s. they also said that piano music wasn't real music because there was too much machinery (the elaborate system of keys, levers and felts) between the musician and the sound-making bit (the strings). sound familiar? -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed
(313) TEST -- PLS IGNORE
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Re: (313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
On 3/28/07, theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Somewhere close to the heart of my question is a probe at techno sub-genre categories (how much minimal is minimal?) and also the question of what makes a 'good track' or a 'not good' track before we even get to technology? We all 'know' one when we hear one, but play it to someone with alien references outside the genre-familiarity circle and your mileage will vary. well, this is one of the reasons why i think songwriting *is* very important in techno and house music. this stuff wasnt created in a vacuum, it originally involved making songs to fit in deejay sets with other music like disco, new wave, electro, italo, etc. i dont think songs in those genres are hard to understand outside of people intimately familiar with the genre, and a good techno or house song isnt going to be, either. even minimal stuff like dan bell or rob hood or straight rhythm trax will be understood by people when played in the proper context. if you are just beating stuff like that all night, of course people are not going to feel it unless theyre a hardcore minimal head. but if thats the crowd you want, its not hard to please them! tom
Re: (313) could change laptop performances
some opinions of mine: watching someone play a piano is not really entertaining. but it can be interesting just like watching someone play some midi controllers or live-program a 909; the complexities of playing a piano are similar to the complexities of playing live e.music; watching ppl play classical music is also interesting or fascinating but i wouldn't describe it as entertaining like i said before, i go to watch someone play e.music to listen and possibly dance to the music in a setting that is different from my living room - a club or whatever; i go to classical music concerts to watch people play classical music in a venue designed for that purpose; i guess i can conclude saying that i am entertained at these events because of the venue or situation i am experiencing the music, not becuase the person or persons performing in front of me are fun to watch. fab. - Original Message - From: Damian Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: fab. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:24 PM Subject: Re: (313) could change laptop performances fab. wrote: but im going to do it now: life electronic music will never be much entertaining, it will never be much entertaining to watch regardless of the equipment used. there is too much going on with playing e.music people said roughly similar things about the piano, back when it was invented in the 1700s. they also said that piano music wasn't real music because there was too much machinery (the elaborate system of keys, levers and felts) between the musician and the sound-making bit (the strings). sound familiar? -- Damian Stewart +64 27 305 4107 f r e y live music with machines http://www.frey.co.nz http://www.myspace.com/freyed
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On 3/28/07, Damian Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: techno's not really about 'songwriting'. it's a lot more akin to what the minimalists were doing back in New York in the 70s. There's a great book called Repeating Ourselves by Robert Fink that looks at parallels between minimalism and disco, both of which evolved in the same environment at the same time. there are certainly similarities in terms of repitition and trance inducing ability, but techno was definitely less about that and more about songs when it was birthed. it eventually evolved in some areas to include music that is more related to the minimal composition kind of thing, but thats not all encompassing. a lot of what I love about techno - the kinds of techno that i like, anyway - is that it sounds like some dude arsing around with gear they don't fully understand, arriving somewhere and going, 'holy crap that sounds awesome,' hitting record and letting it run for a bit, and then scratching the recording on to vinyl. some tracks like that are fine, make a cool noise and drop that into a set and it can sound good. but when that becomes the only thing going on, its just not going to stay interesting to many people for very long. this is why the banging techno has died out in popularity (except amongst the hardcore heads) and has been replaced by mnml, which will of course die out and be replaced by something else when people grow tired of its tricks. and this is also why detroit music has been played through all these trends: it relies more on good songs and as such, never grows old. tom
(313) possible mutek lineup
I know most of you are probably going to DEMF instead, but I saw this possible lineup for Mutek. It's not on their official site yet for some reason: http://www.last.fm/event/43262 Mr. Oizo, Ricardo Villalobos, Colleen, Michael Mayer, Rhythm Sound, Gui Boratto, Matias Aguayo, Wighnomy Brothers, Jesse Somfay, Heartthrob, My My, Cobblestone Jazz, Kode 9, Shackleton, The Mole, Digitaline, Tikiman, Chic Miniature, Gangpol Mit, Dianes In Danger, Roccness, Onur Ozur -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) possible mutek lineup
very hip. On 3/28/07, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know most of you are probably going to DEMF instead, but I saw this possible lineup for Mutek. It's not on their official site yet for some reason: http://www.last.fm/event/43262 Mr. Oizo, Ricardo Villalobos, Colleen, Michael Mayer, Rhythm Sound, Gui Boratto, Matias Aguayo, Wighnomy Brothers, Jesse Somfay, Heartthrob, My My, Cobblestone Jazz, Kode 9, Shackleton, The Mole, Digitaline, Tikiman, Chic Miniature, Gangpol Mit, Dianes In Danger, Roccness, Onur Ozur -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
this stuff wasnt created in a vacuum, it originally involved making songs to fit in deejay sets with other music like disco, new wave, electro, italo, etc. i dont think songs in those genres are hard to understand outside of people intimately familiar with the genre, and a good techno or house song isnt going to be, either. Play it for a typical country music fan. Let me know how it goes. ;-)
Re: (313) possible mutek lineup
On 3/28/07, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know most of you are probably going to DEMF instead, but I saw this possible lineup for Mutek. It's not on their official site yet for some reason: http://www.last.fm/event/43262 Mr. Oizo, Ricardo Villalobos, Colleen, Michael Mayer, Rhythm Sound, Gui Boratto, Matias Aguayo, Wighnomy Brothers, Jesse Somfay, Heartthrob, My My, Cobblestone Jazz, Kode 9, Shackleton, The Mole, Digitaline, Tikiman, Chic Miniature, Gangpol Mit, Dianes In Danger, Roccness, Onur Ozur good to see Shackleton on there.
Re: (313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
On 3/28/07, theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Play it for a typical country music fan. Let me know how it goes. ;-) but what is a typical country music fan? nowadays country music is more bad pop than country. i see people at school all the time who listen to modern country, mainstream hiphop, and trance and dont even think twice about it. disco soul and funk were all and still are pop music. hardcore jazz, classical, or whatever might not like it, but those people are hardcore for a reason ;) tom
Re: (313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 3/28/07, theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Play it for a typical country music fan. Let me know how it goes. ;-) --- but what is a typical country music fan? nowadays country music is more bad pop than country. i see people at school all the time who listen to modern country, mainstream hiphop, and trance and dont even think twice about it. disco soul and funk were all and still are pop music. hardcore jazz, classical, or whatever might not like it, but those people are hardcore for a reason ;) --- I agree with all of that (especially the state of modern 'country'), but you know full well what I meant and it isn't sort of listener who really doesn't care whether they are playing Bob Seeger or Tiesto. What I am trying to get at is genre rejection, i.e., lots of people aren't going to forgive something because it doesn't fit their preconceived notion(s) about how music should sound/function. And those inside the genre hear the nuances that provide the foil of variation for repetition. The latter is often what ears outside of the loop hear. I can't tell you how often I have played what I consider to be good TECHNO material to people who will reject it outright, regardless of how many clear 'pop structures' are present. Sure - people can be found who will be open to hear new things in any crowd - there are exceptions. I'm not as confident as you in some universal/transcendent notion of what makes a song good - or rather, I'm not confident enough to anoint my own ears as 'the' normative standardmakers. And nobody really took on the Walker record. jeff
RE: (313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep
Hey! Nowt wrong with a bit of country music Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 March 2007 15:54 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Stewart Walker: Druid Hills ep On 3/28/07, theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Play it for a typical country music fan. Let me know how it goes. ;-) but what is a typical country music fan? nowadays country music is more bad pop than country. i see people at school all the time who listen to modern country, mainstream hiphop, and trance and dont even think twice about it. disco soul and funk were all and still are pop music. hardcore jazz, classical, or whatever might not like it, but those people are hardcore for a reason ;) tom # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel 4, 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX. VAT no. GB 626475817 #
