Re: (313) Detroit 2007
These kind of pictures, reports, call it what you want is also a part of what we call 'bling bling' in 'gangsta' hip-hop. There is not any moment in this video where you'll see blood, peoples dying for real, it's all about what they show not what they really do. True hip-hop is totally out of this things, try to find a video clip of A Tribe Called Quest with guns... I'll pay you champagne. Then we'll listen some real old school hip-hop and have fun. On another side, I don't say it's all 'bling bling', Detroit is and will stay a 'hard city'. There is guns and peoples dying by use of them but where I live too, let me few hours and I can buy a Beretta or a Smith Wesson for 400/500 euros. In my opinion, guns and violence are everywhere, maybe overexposed in some cities where hip-hop is mediatised but this movie clip is no way hard to see, it's just near 'fun', it's easy to laugh/smile at some scenes. What is hard to see today is all these wars, seeing peoples dying over the world (Africa, Columbia, India, some parts of Russia), childrens in obligation to work since 5 or 6 years to survive, because authorities don't do anything to help them. Their guns are called dollars, euros, yens, ... The real killers of our world are not in the streets, they are behind a desktop manipulating laws and calling it justice. They drives also mercedes 500 but it's not crack and drugs paying them, it's us. Just my point. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Here is a movie clip of french hip-hop team 'IAM', it's far from their best productions in terms of sound and it's in french but the pictures are talking themselves and represent well what I'm trying to say in my previous reply. To see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o34Y3vRnBRw Have a nice day ! -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Boxed and bagged like a product, like most of these things, that's not a true picture of Detroit but the sad thing is, may will believe it to be. m On 11 Sep 2007, at 22:52, CJH wrote: WTF...to glorify violence like this: http://youtube.com/watch?v=v0JsqTdfXWc
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
The main difference between this and that Detroit video is this does not glorify guns and violence. The images here are clearly anti war and hodge podge. There are plenty of people that try to use Detroit's reputation in the promotion of themselves...Even Mad Mike will do it...and he isn't a thug. I've got a video on myspace where he mildly pulls it. I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I watch this show on AE called The First 48, and all these thugs roll into the police station hard as nails, and by the time they are done being questioned they are crying like little babies. They don't realize how bad it is until they are in trouble for doing the same bad stuff. http://www.myspace.com/mistamuthafuka (in case you want to see the mad mike vid) jeff --- Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is a movie clip of french hip-hop team 'IAM', it's far from their best productions in terms of sound and it's in french but the pictures are talking themselves and represent well what I'm trying to say in my previous reply. To see : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o34Y3vRnBRw Have a nice day ! -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Yeah, it's from the Slices DVD , I play what he says in some of my radio shows. http://teknology.free.fr / look at the rss if you wish to download mixes. I think Mike is much more intelligent than any of these so called rappers. Mike, by his philosophy, actions, projects, way to do, have offered the prove that in place of taking guns and sell UR over the world, he have prefeared to read books (for example) and developp his own thinking to 'fight' (as said recently in another topic) and establish himself and his artists. On another side, these rappers, whatever their message are also musicians and a musician needs hours in the studio with complex equipment to record beats and sounds that can hit the top 50. So, those of them claiming being criminals are in definitive not so much good musicians since they spend much more time talking drugs/guns/sex/cars than making music. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://www.myspace.com/wildtek
(313) Trickski's At Les
Has anyone heard Trickski's cover of Carl's At Les? He licensed their Sweat for Fabric 25, of course. (The vocals come from NZ's King Kapisi which I didn't know!) Cyclone Wehner Urban/Dance Music Journalist [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that. No matter where you go here, there are those that, though they may not publicly glorify violence, they do think of it as a first or second option to solve disputes on any scale. I mean, I've seen a cheerleading coach get at it with a mom over some real simple ish and they were both intelligent, seemingly peaceful people before the altercation. That was just this week. In America this has been the way from the start though (ask the natives, wholesale slaughter gets it done). The issue I think is not the general acceptance of violence (heck, all of nature accepts it as a balancing force). I think it's as martin pointed out, the packaging and commoditization of violence as something to be sought after (if you want to be cool/hard/real/etc). War Stories are to todays pop culture what knowledge of self was to the golden era of hip-hop. A mistake? Probably not. Is there any way to reverse this from where we are now? I'm not really sure, but I'd love to hear some ideas. k
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
Good question, even if somewhat beyond the scope of this list. (I'd still like an answer too.) K -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 To: Jeffrey Richards; 313 Subject: RE: (313) Detroit 2007 I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that. No matter where you go here, there are those that, though they may not publicly glorify violence, they do think of it as a first or second option to solve disputes on any scale. I mean, I've seen a cheerleading coach get at it with a mom over some real simple ish and they were both intelligent, seemingly peaceful people before the altercation. That was just this week. In America this has been the way from the start though (ask the natives, wholesale slaughter gets it done). The issue I think is not the general acceptance of violence (heck, all of nature accepts it as a balancing force). I think it's as martin pointed out, the packaging and commoditization of violence as something to be sought after (if you want to be cool/hard/real/etc). War Stories are to todays pop culture what knowledge of self was to the golden era of hip-hop. A mistake? Probably not. Is there any way to reverse this from where we are now? I'm not really sure, but I'd love to hear some ideas. k
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
For me, (commercial) Hip-Hop sold out for product endorsement and the man a long time ago. If they didn't work for the man they became the man. I've still never heard that 50 Cent album but like everyone else in the world I know he's been shot 9 times - for the life of me I can't figure out why people/artists would want to be known for the wrong thing, it only brings more trouble. It's like being the hard kid at school, everyone wants to have a pop at you. I also know that it's not as simply as that and I think any hopes of reversing out of this are lost, I'm not even sure what the dream is any more, a tacky house in Hollywood like you see on cribs? Like Shake said in his interview with Tom, these jokers put on their monkey suits, cause the sh1t and leave everyday people to deal with the aftermath. m On 13 Sep 2007, at 15:22, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: I bet if someone bought that D video in the end it just looks really sad how a the people of a city ended up like that. I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that. No matter where you go here, there are those that, though they may not publicly glorify violence, they do think of it as a first or second option to solve disputes on any scale. I mean, I've seen a cheerleading coach get at it with a mom over some real simple ish and they were both intelligent, seemingly peaceful people before the altercation. That was just this week. In America this has been the way from the start though (ask the natives, wholesale slaughter gets it done). The issue I think is not the general acceptance of violence (heck, all of nature accepts it as a balancing force). I think it's as martin pointed out, the packaging and commoditization of violence as something to be sought after (if you want to be cool/hard/real/etc). War Stories are to todays pop culture what knowledge of self was to the golden era of hip-hop. A mistake? Probably not. Is there any way to reverse this from where we are now? I'm not really sure, but I'd love to hear some ideas. k
(313) Philski's Microworld Styrax bomb
didn't even see this one coming, just dropped on styrax -- a new microworld record! and it's hot! each track is brimming with ideas and electricity...supposedly dmay is playing it all over the place.. nice one philip!! check at http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=52474 or somewhere else
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
Not just your country either - as usual we're rushing to do all that you do over there be it good or bad. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that
Re: (313) Detroit 2007
Sadly it's true. It seems to be younger and younger kids too. All the gang kids are 14/15 these days. Insanity. robin... On 13 Sep 2007, at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just your country either - as usual we're rushing to do all that you do over there be it good or bad. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that
(313) Black Dog barking Madchester
So Martin, you playing here Saturday?
Re: (313) Philski's Microworld Styrax bomb
Seconded, buy on sight. On 9/13/07, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: didn't even see this one coming, just dropped on styrax -- a new microworld record! and it's hot! each track is brimming with ideas and electricity...supposedly dmay is playing it all over the place.. nice one philip!! check at http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=52474 or somewhere else
(313) Happy Birthday Minto!
:-D MEK
Re: (313) Happy Birthday Minto!
happy birthday dood! tom On 9/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-D MEK
RE: (313) Happy Birthday Minto!
WOOT! WOOT! Minto is the r0xx0r5!!11 k -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 3:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Happy Birthday Minto! happy birthday dood! tom On 9/13/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :-D MEK
RE: (313) Detroit 2007
Yeh my man from yard (Jamaica) says it's even more ridiculous down there now too. Kids with no fear of gun court just bustin to be raw. Shanking girls for their cellphones and the whole nine. I agree with martin though. When I think about it, I can't really see a way out aside from letting it run it's course. Like a virus. I still have faith in the youth though. There's still a good contingent out there that realize the danger and needlessness of that lifestyle and can clearly see that they're being led by the nose. The cool thing is, most kids have a problem with authority and the bigger and more predatory this industry becomes, the quicker you'll see that same teenaged angst turned against them... I hope. Gotta go listen to that microworld thing so I'll have something actually on topic to say. :) k -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:57 PM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit 2007 Sadly it's true. It seems to be younger and younger kids too. All the gang kids are 14/15 these days. Insanity. robin... On 13 Sep 2007, at 17:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not just your country either - as usual we're rushing to do all that you do over there be it good or bad. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 13 September 2007 15:22 I don't know about the city, but the country is what I see ending up like that
(313) Madrid
Hi guys, A friend of mine is arriving in Madrid tomorrow and would like to know if there is anything happening there tomorrow. Figured I would ask on here. What are clubs of choice there? Thanks in advance, Alex Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting
