(313) contemporary academic music literature?
i recently read this book http://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Brain-Music-Obsession/dp/0525949690 and enjoyed it quite a bit, but ideally i'm looking for something that's a bit less rock and a bit more techno. can anybody recommend any contemporary (21st century) academic-level critical writing and/or research on electronic music (or music in general) that is worth reading? as an example, i've been meaning to read this piece that martin posted a few months ago: http://folk.uio.no/hanst/Manchester/ChicagoHouse.htm not as interested in the cultural or historical aspects either (ala love saves the day and last night a dj saved my life, both of which i've read), but feel free to share if something is extraordinary. please no commentary from those who think music can't/shouldn't be discussed scientifically. :) -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
(313) Anyone Still Listen To Sonic Sunset?
To balance out some of my recent negativity, I'll link to some of my favorite all-time music, ever. http://www.sonicsunset.com/ For those of you who aren't familiar, Sonic Sunset was a long-running radio show here in Chicago that featured some amazing music for many years. "Expect deep new sounds alongside timeless classics - from techno, electro, detroit/chicago house, underground disco machine funk and weird nu-wave / italo / funk / soul dusties that slipped through the cracks of time (and fell onto our turntables)." I have yet to find two people with better music taste, as far as I'm concerned. Just scroll down the main page for a few minutes and review the tracklists for most of the shows. You've got everything from Funk/Soul music to "Japan" to Kraftwerk to Atkins. It really is good stuff. The shows usually run along a theme, so you might have a Larry Heard special or B12 records special, but it's always good stuff. Anyway it's brought me many hours of good listening, hope it does for some of you who aren't familiar with it as well. -Arturo
Re: (313) minimal suxs like dub
>From DufDuf: "ie. minimal is a technique like dub is a technique" Disagree. Dub is a genre, Minimal is a genre. Rhythm & Sound does not sound like Magda. Yes these things exist along a continuum of sound, but are certainly at fairly distinct ends, with rather pronounced sound differences, regardless of how they are mixed together by a dj. Sure after a certain point we are sometimes splitting hairs, and of course everything bleeds into different areas, but that's part of the fun. People can get a little crazy with categorization, but it's a very useful tool for talking about certain types of music. I can say "minimal" and people know what I'm talking about for the most part. It might be hard to classify a single track, but I'm quite comfortable using a label to make it easy to discuss a type of sound as a whole. "I mean seriously the repetitive complaints I keep hearing about laptop dj's or copy cat stylists .. and references to the same single dubstep producer is wearing me thin." My delete key works just fine on messages I don't want to read. I just don't read posts I'm not interested in. I appreciate your opinions and did find them interesting, but writing in to everyone to say you are tired of hearing a discussion about something while participating in that same discussion is weak sauce. "I've been beat up around here before . for saying this, but the music is moving. It's doing new things, in a million different ways." I'd say there's plenty new in the performance side of things, but things aren't moving all that fast on the music-writing side. The technical ability to spit out a track on ableton in a few hours doesn't mean it's going to be any good. "I honestly can't tell any more the difference between house, techno, techhouse, detriot, minimal or any other genre you might want to mention." Splitting hairs again. I don't think it matters at all how you classify one piece of music, but people like to generalize in order to make things easier for large groups of music. There's just too much music out there. You have to know what area of the dartboard to shoot for in order to narrow it down to find stuff you like. That, or find people whose taste you trust in order to suggest things. I've found that people on this list for example, generally like the same kinds of things I like, so I don't care if they call it "X" genre, it gets the benefit of the doubt. And for the most part when people suggest music on here, I don't really hear any discussion at all about genres. It's 'check out this track' or 'check out this mix.' and I think that's fine enough for most. "The current era of music can mean everyone is a producer in their bedroom. So what I think we are hearing is people using the same sort of production techniques across similar tempo's and styles of music." It's always been that way, with whatever the current medium/techniques are. Tape edits to laptops, most people putting out tracks were/are always using the same sorts of tools at the same time. "I just think we might get more life out of electronic music if we start to look at some of the processes going on as the use of techniques as opposed to genreification followed by quick dismissal." I've got no problem genre-fying something that I think is mostly terrible (or excellent). It's my opinion. Classifying a group of music that sounds similar is perfectly valid if you are trying to express your opinion. No, I haven't listened to every 2-step record out there, but I can comfortably say that I'm not that interested in that music as a whole. No, I haven't listened to every minimal record out there, but I've heard enough (and certainly bought a few), to know it's not something I'm interested in either. "Currently I am enjoying the sounds classified as minimal because they provide a group of tracks that enable me to play sets that contain a lot of spatial texture." Rock on. "The use of reverbs, delays, stripped out melody modes and monotonic rhythms enable out board sample layering and the use of off beats on the other deck to construct the type of sets I have wanted too for years." Well I guess that is the good thing about most minimal records, you can put 4 of them on at the same time and not really notice it, it does give you a lot of room. I'll give you that it can certainly make for a lot of fun mixer work. "Lets face it every Dj wants to be producer with out having to do the hard work in the studio." No. And from FBK: "What would make me happy is a bit of funk coming back into the sound...or at least the acknowledgement of the groove. The electronic holy grail is really whatever you want-for me it's to have the music I love not all sound like it's coming out of the same three boxes from four people." Very well put. -Arturo
RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
I'm sure I've heard a BC track in a Carl Craig set before, possibly his own! ;-) ... But no actually I think it was 'Infinition'. Seeing as he's mates with von Oswald & co, seems likely, ditto with the CR stuff. As for Hood, there's a well known parting of ways in the tastes between the pair, so neither have probably played each other's records out this side of 2000, I'd guess. -Original Message- From: Paul Kendrick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:27 PM To: Toby Frith; kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? Im shocked to find Carl Craig #1, but he don't play hood or CR records in his set, well not for years if he ever did. -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:45 To: kent williams; list 313 Subject: RE: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The fact that minimal techno is currently seen as "hip" can only be a good thing. More and more people are into labels like Chain Reaction, M-Plant and Basic Channel than ever before. That ultimately will lead them back to the Detroit originators. It takes time, but I know for one that it has transformed the London techno scene. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 04 April 2008 15:41 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions? The one mix I have by Ellen Allien is Fabric 34 and I listen to it a lot -- both straight through and when individual tracks come up on shuffle. I think it's high time that we stop using minimal as a dirty word. Minimalism in its broadest sense has been a revolution in music, not so much because it has been revolutionary in content, but because it has demanded a new relationship between the music and the listener. The best minimal techno is every bit as dramatic and emotional as any other sort of dance music. The worst is just boring. Worse than that, it's a sort of music that appeals and encourages an audience of people completely off their faces on drugs. Give me something with a little soul and variety anyday! It's also to separate the music from the scene, and to realize that slagging on a music/scene when it blows up is as much a hipster transgression as following that trend. I was amused last summer walking around Brooklyn 'hipster' neighborhood last summer; it seemed like people who, in my shallow evaluation were, in fact, the dreaded hipsters, were modulating their fashion sense and coiffure to avoid the dreaded hipster signifiers. Being hip is too exhausting for me. You'll always be trying to stay ahead of curve, and nothing but eternal vigilance will keep you from staying with something formerly cutting edge, now declasse'. It's like surfing -- you want to be in the curl without the wave crashing over you. I'm content to like what I like and let someone else sort it out. But I digress. Ellen Allien is usually pretty ace in my estimation. If one of her mixes sounded a little flat at first, I'd give it a few listens to sink in before dismissing it. For all the latest news and comment visit www.telegraph.co.uk. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private, confidential and may be the subject of legal privilege. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Incoming and outgoing telephone calls to our offices may be monitored or recorded for training and quality control purposes and for confirming orders and information. Telegraph Media Group Limited is a limited liability company registered in England and Wales (company number 451593). Our registered office address is: 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT.
Re: (313) Jared Wilson
http://www.j4r3d.com/willdjpst.mp3 Tracklisting - Ruth - Roman Photo Sensitive - Don't Stop Jared Wilson - Bangkok Four Seasons Hotel - Blank Artists Osborne - Wait a Minute Liaisons Dangereuses - Put Etre - Music Box Jared Wilson - Office Analogue - Blank Artists New Order - Everything's Gone Green Jared Wilson - New Cable Freaks 19303 - Blank Artists Jared Wilson - This Love - TNT - Beat Track 1 Boxcutter - Bloscid - Planet-Mu Jared Wilson - Dumdahdum Telex - Disko Moskow - Music Box Grauzone - Eisbar Girls at Our Best - Go for Gold - Original Message - From: "Jeffrey Richards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Kowalsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: Re: (313) Jared Wilson a release he came out with last year: http://www.discogs.com/release/983148 his website: http://www.j4r3d.com he also has a myspace music site under the name Acid Beard with a bunch of tracks on it. Good stuff. I wish he would release a couple of the MySpace tracks on vinyl. Jeff --- Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I heard, years ago, an excellent mix recorded by Jarde Wilson. It started with an AFX's remix for a Bug tune (run the place red) and some great dancehall riddims from that time, then moves to some great technoish sounds. I also bought a 12", that i found lost in a store, with some great tunes by him, when i was in Paris. Anyone knows what else he's been doing? You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
Can't forget the KLF Chill Out, one of my favourites back in the day. On 4/6/08, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: > > I loved Global Chillage, played it a lot back then! All those old > > ambient records one FAX where also personal favorites. > I think they over egged it with almost an album a week at one point but > there's some good stuff in there. I was always liked Emit as a label. > > m > > > > > > > > -- -- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: I loved Global Chillage, played it a lot back then! All those old ambient records one FAX where also personal favorites. I think they over egged it with almost an album a week at one point but there's some good stuff in there. I was always liked Emit as a label. m
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
Frank Glazer wrote: The time I heard MMM play he absolutely killed it, and there was nary a pink floyd record to be found. Why all the hate? There's no hate as you suggest, just my opinion based on suffering several weeks worth of it. m
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
I loved Global Chillage, played it a lot back then! All those old ambient records one FAX where also personal favorites. On 6 apr 2008, at 21:26, Frank Glazer wrote: The time I heard MMM play he absolutely killed it, and there was nary a pink floyd record to be found. Why all the hate? Global Chillage was a classic! What am I missing? On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: Yeah we need more rooms with those old Irresistible Force records... Chill Out or Die ;-) We never got that kind of hippy crap up here, the chill rooms always had good stuff going on in them - which was good because it was always "squat" tekno next door. MMM seems to have made a living out of playing Pink Floyd b-sides at the wrong speed. I guess now smoking is illegal they'll never really come back to clubs. m -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
The time I heard MMM play he absolutely killed it, and there was nary a pink floyd record to be found. Why all the hate? Global Chillage was a classic! What am I missing? On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:59 AM, Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: > > > Yeah we need more rooms with those old Irresistible Force records... Chill > Out or Die ;-) > > > We never got that kind of hippy crap up here, the chill rooms always had > good stuff going on in them - which was good because it was always "squat" > tekno next door. MMM seems to have made a living out of playing Pink Floyd > b-sides at the wrong speed. > > I guess now smoking is illegal they'll never really come back to clubs. > > m > -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
instinct ruled. one of the best labels ever, imo - Original Message - From: "KiDD*e" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Three-One-Three" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:23 AM Subject: Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms http://www.manvsbigmachine.com/users/instinct-ambient/home.htm Pretty indeed ! - K* - Original Message - From: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms the Chill Out series on instinct in the mid 90s was terrific - Original Message - From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms > >>Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: >> Yeah we need more rooms with those old Irresistible Force records... >> Chill Out or Die ;-) > We never got that kind of hippy crap up here, the chill rooms always > had > good stuff going on in them - which was good because it was always > "squat" tekno next door. MMM seems to have made a living out of playing > Pink Floyd b-sides at the wrong speed. > > I guess now smoking is illegal they'll never really come back to clubs. > > m
Re: (313) Jared Wilson
a release he came out with last year: http://www.discogs.com/release/983148 his website: http://www.j4r3d.com he also has a myspace music site under the name Acid Beard with a bunch of tracks on it. Good stuff. I wish he would release a couple of the MySpace tracks on vinyl. Jeff --- Kowalsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I heard, years ago, an excellent mix recorded by > Jarde Wilson. It > started with an AFX's remix for a Bug tune (run the > place red) and > some great dancehall riddims from that time, then > moves to some great > technoish sounds. I also bought a 12", that i found > lost in a store, > with some great tunes by him, when i was in Paris. > Anyone knows what else he's been doing? > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
http://www.manvsbigmachine.com/users/instinct-ambient/home.htm Pretty indeed ! - K* - Original Message - From: "/0" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms > the Chill Out series on instinct in the mid 90s was terrific > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 7:59 AM > Subject: Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms > > > > >>Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: > >> Yeah we need more rooms with those old Irresistible Force records... > >> Chill Out or Die ;-) > > We never got that kind of hippy crap up here, the chill rooms always had > > good stuff going on in them - which was good because it was always > > "squat" tekno next door. MMM seems to have made a living out of playing > > Pink Floyd b-sides at the wrong speed. > > > > I guess now smoking is illegal they'll never really come back to clubs. > > > > m
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
the Chill Out series on instinct in the mid 90s was terrific - Original Message - From: "Martin Dust" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "313 Mailing List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 7:59 AM Subject: Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms >>Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: Yeah we need more rooms with those old Irresistible Force records... Chill Out or Die ;-) We never got that kind of hippy crap up here, the chill rooms always had good stuff going on in them - which was good because it was always "squat" tekno next door. MMM seems to have made a living out of playing Pink Floyd b-sides at the wrong speed. I guess now smoking is illegal they'll never really come back to clubs. m
Re: Re: (313) Ellen Allien's New Mix: Opinions?
Sadly, the hipsters and the sycophants are the leaders rather than the innovators and the creative. And yes...Richie wants your wallet full of cashso do all that copy him. The fact that even Hollywood has begun to copy itself more and more bothers and makes me ask where is the creativity? Oh, I take the laptop comment personally. But I'm old and I like to show some energy whenever I am playing a set. Just ask anyone who saw me @ the Reverse Edit afterparty last year. fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
Re: (313) minimal suxs like dub
On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 7:09 AM, duf duf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Kevin Kennedy wrote: > > > > ...and sadly today most of it is just electronic crap. > > > > > This has been the a mantra for over 15 years though .. dance > music is can always completely mundane in the micro. > The period between 1993-96 saw an explosion in this music...especially this style...there were actual classics being created during this period-see DBX's 'losing control,' Shake's 'floorfiller,' and most of Rob Hoods output during that period. Heck, even my music from that time still finds the floor in some DJ's hands... > > What are we really looking for? What is going to make techno > happy? What is the electronic holy grail? What would make me happy is a bit of funk coming back into the sound...or at least the acknowledgement of the groove. The electronic holy grail is really whatever you want-for me it's to have the music I love not all sound like it's coming out of the same three boxes from four people. > Dub/reggea has resolved some of this with its 'version' system > where all producers, MC's and Dj's have a crack at stylising or > interpreting a tune at the same time. Sadly, dub/reggae had it's classic period from 1976-82, and I will not say it's dead. However, the 'version' system you speak of (which of course works for dub since it's basic source material is usually vocal reggae) is the 'remix' system in electronic music... > There is this acceptance that the music is a vehicle for personal > expression, communication, interaction. So the focus is around a > particular persons 'version' as opposed to constantly seeking the > creation of something new or unique. Some rabid followers of Richie Hawtin that produce music already have this in their heads...it's called their career? > > In this context .. the tyranny of minimal is not so dangerous. Its > just the life of the music, growing, shifting and evolving. I guess you are right, however I don't see how going backwards 15-20 years and starting over without some kind of direction is progress...what I mean by this is that many entering the business/artform today are doing something they think is new, when there is a precedent that they don't see or hear. After 15 years of being into this music, I know it's happened before. I keep saying there is no news under the sun. Maybe all of this will evolve into something... -- fbk sleepengineering/absoloop US
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
>>Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: Yeah we need more rooms with those old Irresistible Force records... Chill Out or Die ;-) We never got that kind of hippy crap up here, the chill rooms always had good stuff going on in them - which was good because it was always "squat" tekno next door. MMM seems to have made a living out of playing Pink Floyd b-sides at the wrong speed. I guess now smoking is illegal they'll never really come back to clubs. m
Re: (313) Chill Out Rooms
Yeah we need more rooms with those old Irresistible Force records... Chill Out or Die ;-) On 5 apr 2008, at 17:24, Dan Bean wrote: Yes, very much. -Original Message- From: Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: 04 April 2008 22:32 To: 313 Mailing List <313@hyperreal.org> Subject: (313) Chill Out Rooms Does anyone miss them at events? I do, I'd really love to play a slow long 3hr set to bend some heads. m
(313) Intermediate - Detroit (fwd)
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Re: (313) minimal suxs like dub
Kevin Kennedy wrote: ...and sadly today most of it is just electronic crap. This has been the a mantra for over 15 years though .. dance music is can always completely mundane in the micro. I guess what I'm trying to suggest is that this plethora of crap is what makes the music what it is. Don't the sounds evolve in the clubs on the dance floors, minute changes that seem mundane week to week but consequential when reviewed across seasons. What are we really looking for? What is going to make techno happy? What is the electronic holy grail? Dub/reggea has resolved some of this with its 'version' system where all producers, MC's and Dj's have a crack at stylising or interpreting a tune at the same time. There is this acceptance that the music is a vehicle for personal expression, communication, interaction. So the focus is around a particular persons 'version' as opposed to constantly seeking the creation of something new or unique. In this context .. the tyranny of minimal is not so dangerous. Its just the life of the music, growing, shifting and evolving.
Re: (313) minimal suxs like dub
Lets face it every Dj wants to be producer with out having to do the hard work in the studio. That is not a fact. There are tons of DJs who subscribe to the David Mancuso school of DJing, or at least lean primarily that way. True . it's a pretty broad statement I made there. But certainly the process of Dj'ing can often be like accepting the Grammy on behalf of someone else .. without the speech. Still I'd argue that Cool Herc got more people into Dj'ing than Mancuso .. Who would win that fight? Love or the wheels of steel?
