RE: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
Hey Reds1ht It would be more interesting if you stopped being so aggressive and argumentative to various individuals on this list. Do many on this list even value your contribution/trolling to the various discussions? G -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 April 2008 01:52 To: Fred Heutte; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts It would be at least borderline interesting if you would respond to what I actually wrote. -Fred Heutte - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Fw: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts well then the prevalent view here is wrong So it always seems coming from you. fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /0 Subject: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:22:42 -0400 well then the prevalent view here is wrong. the festival works best when it books diverse acts to pays its bills and perpetuate its own existence. big deal, so you wont like every act, but without the other 75 percent, the 25 percent you want wouldnt have a festival to play at. and for every 313 member that wants that 25 percent, there is someone out there looking for the dnb stuff they are booking, or this or that. just because YOU dont dig it, doesn't mean its invalid and has no place at the festival. again, it is detroit's electronic music festival. not the detroit electronic music festival. furthermore, it's pretty obvious that its not a festival dedicated to detroit music. even the first blessed years were not as detroit-centric as it could have been. and thank god for that. - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: Fw: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts It would be at least borderline interesting if you would respond to what I actually wrote. Maybe somewhere else someone is demanding that Movement 2008: Detroit's Electronic Music Festival be only about Detroit techmo. But not here. The prevalent view on 313@hyperreal.org has always been that the festival works best when it represents -all- of Detroit's electronic music diversity, not just techno. fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /0 Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:57:31 -0400 as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups
RE: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
There is nothing about Movement in this thread. -Original Message- From: Williams, Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:42 AM To: /0; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Hey Reds1ht It would be more interesting if you stopped being so aggressive and argumentative to various individuals on this list. Do many on this list even value your contribution/trolling to the various discussions? G -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 April 2008 01:52 To: Fred Heutte; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts It would be at least borderline interesting if you would respond to what I actually wrote. -Fred Heutte - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Fw: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts well then the prevalent view here is wrong So it always seems coming from you. fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /0 Subject: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:22:42 -0400 well then the prevalent view here is wrong. the festival works best when it books diverse acts to pays its bills and perpetuate its own existence. big deal, so you wont like every act, but without the other 75 percent, the 25 percent you want wouldnt have a festival to play at. and for every 313 member that wants that 25 percent, there is someone out there looking for the dnb stuff they are booking, or this or that. just because YOU dont dig it, doesn't mean its invalid and has no place at the festival. again, it is detroit's electronic music festival. not the detroit electronic music festival. furthermore, it's pretty obvious that its not a festival dedicated to detroit music. even the first blessed years were not as detroit-centric as it could have been. and thank god for that. - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: Fw: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts It would be at least borderline interesting if you would respond to what I actually wrote. Maybe somewhere else someone is demanding that Movement 2008: Detroit's Electronic Music Festival be only about Detroit techmo. But not here. The prevalent view on 313@hyperreal.org has always been that the festival works best when it represents -all- of Detroit's electronic music diversity, not just techno. fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /0 Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:57:31 -0400 as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups
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did my message not come thru? it was about movement. and i agree with /0, pretty much, minus the enthusiasm On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is nothing about Movement in this thread. -Original Message- From: Williams, Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:42 AM To: /0; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Hey Reds1ht It would be more interesting if you stopped being so aggressive and argumentative to various individuals on this list. Do many on this list even value your contribution/trolling to the various discussions? G -Original Message- From: /0 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 April 2008 01:52 To: Fred Heutte; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts It would be at least borderline interesting if you would respond to what I actually wrote. -Fred Heutte - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:49 PM Subject: Fw: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts well then the prevalent view here is wrong So it always seems coming from you. fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /0 Subject: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:22:42 -0400 well then the prevalent view here is wrong. the festival works best when it books diverse acts to pays its bills and perpetuate its own existence. big deal, so you wont like every act, but without the other 75 percent, the 25 percent you want wouldnt have a festival to play at. and for every 313 member that wants that 25 percent, there is someone out there looking for the dnb stuff they are booking, or this or that. just because YOU dont dig it, doesn't mean its invalid and has no place at the festival. again, it is detroit's electronic music festival. not the detroit electronic music festival. furthermore, it's pretty obvious that its not a festival dedicated to detroit music. even the first blessed years were not as detroit-centric as it could have been. and thank god for that. - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:33 PM Subject: Fw: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts It would be at least borderline interesting if you would respond to what I actually wrote. Maybe somewhere else someone is demanding that Movement 2008: Detroit's Electronic Music Festival be only about Detroit techmo. But not here. The prevalent view on 313@hyperreal.org has always been that the festival works best when it represents -all- of Detroit's electronic music diversity, not just techno. fh -- mail forwarded, original message follows -- To: 313@hyperreal.org From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] /0 Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:57:31 -0400 as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups
Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did my message not come thru? it was about movement. and i agree with /0, pretty much, minus the enthusiasm why not just call it Big Rave X if that is all it is going to be? the problem is that they still want to market it with the name that is famous because of Detroit's music, but they want to book nonsense and garbage. if this thing was called anything but what it is, it wouldn't even be an issue because i dont think many people on here worry about super hyped raves anymore in 2008. why not just do it on another weekend, call it something else, make your money and let someone else do something that is more in line with the original festival's ideal on memorial day weekend, even if it is scaled back a ton? tom
Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
well, it's called Movement: Detroit's Electronic Music Festival. so i guess, if you want, you CAN see it as Big Rave X, big rave that happens to be in Detroit but we're going around in circles again... - Original Message - Da : Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : 313@hyperreal.org Oggetto : Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Data : Tue, 22 Apr 2008 09:40:50 -0400 On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: did my message not come thru? it was about movement. and i agree with /0, pretty much, minus the enthusiasm why not just call it Big Rave X if that is all it is going to be? the problem is that they still want to market it with the name that is famous because of Detroit's music , but they want to book nonsense and garbage. if this thing was called anything but what it is, it wouldn't even be an issue because i dont think many people on here worry about super hyped raves anymore in 2008. why not just do it on another weekend, call it something else, make your money and let someone else do something that is more in line with the original festival's ideal on memorial day weekend, even if it is scaled back a ton? tom
Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, it's called Movement: Detroit's Electronic Music Festival. an amalgamation of the names previously used for the festival that was about detroit music. which is the problem. so i guess, if you want, you CAN see it as Big Rave X, big rave that happens to be in Detroit but we're going around in circles again... what circle is that? the only thing happening is the appropriation of name, music, and place by white people of a largely black culture. yes, we are going around that circle yet again, but this time it is happening in Hart plaza instead of in Europe. tom
Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
why not just call it Big Rave X if that is all it is going to be? because that's not all it is, it's not all or nothing. you're argument loses quite a bit of validity if you make sweeping generalizations to glaze over any details that contradict your opinion. it's hardly a super-hyped rave. super hyped raves anymore in 2008. why not just do it on another weekend, call it something else, make your money and let someone else do something that is more in line with the original festival's ideal on memorial day weekend, even if it is scaled back a ton? that's crazy talk. why doesn't somebody else just step up and lose their ass to throw a festival celebrating american electronic music, which has a tiny niche. like i said in my previous message, american electronic music ain't what it used to be. you have to have infrastructure before you can have an audience and these days american electronic music has neither. the american electronic music scene is WEAK, and has been for years, it is just not realistic to expect some idealized super dope festival...the sponsors won't go for it. paxahau knows what it's doing. it could be better, it's certainly fair to criticize it, but it's hardly so bad that it deserves the over-the-top insults you're throwing at it. i'm frustrated with state of things in the USA too. Paxahau can't fix that. Regarding another festival...why does it have to be at Hart Plaza memorial day weekend? That's a huge space that involves a crapload of logistical obstacles (traffic, security, electricity/sound/gear for outdoors etc etc etc), and it's not the best timing either (summer vacations haven't yet started for most). I'd love to see a big party/festival without any BS, I'm sure it could be done. Somebody find a space outside city limits where noise and fire ordinances don't apply, budget the performers carefully, have it running concurrent to the festival, that would be great. I am not cut out for big crowds and overpriced beer anyways.
Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why not just call it Big Rave X if that is all it is going to be? because that's not all it is, it's not all or nothing. you're argument loses quite a bit of validity if you make sweeping generalizations to glaze over any details that contradict your opinion. it's hardly a super-hyped rave. Moby, The Cool Kids, Dieselboy, Benny Benassi, Deadmau5, Girl Talk, James Zabiela. if that isnt the definition of a pedestrian rave, i dont know what is. that's crazy talk. why doesn't somebody else just step up and lose their ass to throw a festival celebrating american electronic music, which has a tiny niche. then just dont do it at all. its better than being disingenuous at best, a profiteer at worst. like i said in my previous message, american electronic music ain't what it used to be. you have to have infrastructure before you can have an audience and these days american electronic music has neither. the american electronic music scene is WEAK, and has been for years, it is just not realistic to expect some idealized super dope festival... i dont want that, like i said, i would be more happy for a much smaller scaled back free thing that actually represented detroit than some rave. the sponsors won't go for it. i'm so glad that corporations dictate what music matters in detroit. sorry, but f*ck that nonsense. paxahau knows what it's doing. you're absolutely correct on this one, they do. it could be better, it's certainly fair to criticize it, but it's hardly so bad that it deserves the over-the-top insults you're throwing at it. i'm frustrated with state of things in the USA too. Paxahau can't fix that. instead of being the solution they are part of the problem. that is going to solve a lot. Regarding another festival...why does it have to be at Hart Plaza memorial day weekend? That's a huge space that involves a crapload of logistical obstacles (traffic, security, electricity/sound/gear for outdoors etc etc etc), and it's not the best timing either (summer vacations haven't yet started for most). I'd love to see a big party/festival without any BS, I'm sure it could be done. Somebody find a space outside city limits where noise and fire ordinances don't apply, budget the performers carefully, have it running concurrent to the festival, that would be great. I am not cut out for big crowds and overpriced beer anyways. i would be perfectly fine for things to happen somewhere else, and i would prefer outdoors as well as it is just more fun that way. but it has to be in the city. the rave can go to the suburbs, thats where all the attendees are coming from anyway. tom
Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
Well, the mistake is actually in calling it DEMF. It's not DEMF - it's Movement. Time for a paradigm shift. That's the biggest reason I see people getting upset about well, the first years were more Detroit The first years - meaning THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival (Pop Culture's production) WAS a celebration of Detroit's electronic music. What's going on now is a different festival called Movement. People are fooling themselves into thinking it's THE DEMF because it occupies the same date and space as the other festivals. There hasn't been any inheritance imo. THE DEMF stopped in 2003. That was the last year of The Detroit Electronic Music Festival. End of story. All the other festivals that have followed are officially titled by other names. for once I gotta agree with r3dshift - it's time to stop comparing Paxahau's Movement to The Detroit Electronic Music Festival (DEMF) if you continue to compare them you might as well compare the Hoe Down or the Jazz Fest to DEMF as well DEMF is... er, was, a celebration of Detroit Techno Movement isn't it's just another electronic music festival that just so happens to take place in Detroit because that's where the production company is located and there's a space available at this point - Movement could feasibly, well, move - to any other city and it would make about as much sense as it does now if you shift your thoughts and start to see Movement as Movement and not DEMF or THE DEMF you might possibly, like me, begin to not really be bothered by it Movement has not inherited the legacy of DEMF MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/21/2008 05:57:31 PM: as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Mark Farina Lawnchair Generals Miles Maeda Punisher / good god - for every one good act they add three crap ones I don't have a problem with any of those. I've known Mark since 1992, haven't seen MM but like some of his, and I have a pretty high regard for some of the LG output, which is made of sterner stuff than most west coast house these days. And of course Punisher has always been good when I've seen her, and remember she stood well above the relentless mediocrity at the underground stage one year. My bigger problem is the continuing de-focus on Detroit in the lineup. Yes, there are some Detroit area artists on the list, and good for them, but overall it just doesn't have the breadth and depth it should given who's within local driving distance of the festival. And this isn't just conjecture about what it could be, it's about what it was when you go back and look at the first couple of years. fh
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and I have to agree with Tom here too - Paxahau is, cobbling two previous festival names together, confusing the punters into thinking they are going to the same festivals that occurred in 2000-2002, and 2003/04 It works in their favor but could be seen as trying to weasel their way into an inheritance that they just haven't earned they should have been honest with themselves and the audience and changed the name I can't help to think they're riding the coat tails with that title MEK Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/22/2008 08:56:49 AM: On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, it's called Movement: Detroit's Electronic Music Festival. an amalgamation of the names previously used for the festival that was about detroit music. which is the problem. tom
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Moby, The Cool Kids, Dieselboy, Benny Benassi, Deadmau5, Girl Talk, James Zabiela. if that isnt the definition of a pedestrian rave, i dont know what is. it isn't and you don't. i was a raver. i went to something like 65 raves between 1993-1994. there are many festivals all over the country that really are outdoor raves. the detroit festival has certainly headed a bit in that direction. it's an insult to the great artists who still perform in abundance at the festival (hi shake) to say it's just another one of those festivals. it isn't, yet, and while I balked at Paxahau when they took over the festival, I don't think they will ever take Detroit's legacy and Detroit music out of the equation you list 7 names out of a roster of something like 100, with how many different stages now? 4? 5? you over generalize on one hand or pick and choose in order to make your argument, that doesn't fly with me. I heard from people whose taste i respect as highly as yours that last year's festival was one of the best since the first two. they acknowledged that there were a bunch of BS performers there but said they were mostly confined to one stage. they said they bounced from one great performance by a Detroit great to another, rattling off a long and impressive list -- the only two names that I can remember right now are Shake and Three Chairs, because I slept like sh%t last night, but they convinced me that rumors of the demise of the festival's greatness have been greatly exaggerated. then just dont do it at all. its better than being disingenuous at best, a profiteer at worst. Gimme a break. I understand yours and MEK's stance that somehow they are being disingenuous by using the DEMF name. Are there any other electronic festivals in Detroit? Then it is going to be widely known as the Detroit Electronic Music Festival whether they officially call it that or not. I think reading insidious designs into that are ridiculous. Who cares. i dont want that, like i said, i would be more happy for a much smaller scaled back free thing that actually represented detroit than some rave. Detroit is represented. American techno and house is represented. BS global DJ stars are represented too, unfortunately, but that's the state of things. Don't go to that tent. It does suck that you have to lower your expectations a bit. If you want to support good Detroit/American electronic music producers without dropping twice as much $$ to exit the country, this is your chance. Don't punish Shake because Dieselboy plays music for toolbags. i'm so glad that corporations dictate what music matters in detroit. sorry, but f*ck that nonsense. What music matters in Detroit? I don't understand that wording. They have control over what music gets exposure at the festival. They can't make people like it or make it resonate with Detroit. Otherwise, welcome to the world. Big events need big sponsors. That's been an element that hasn't increased at the festival, it's greatly diminished. The sponsorship was much more over the top in the first few years. Now it is hard enough to rustle up enough small sponsors to take a chance even with the addition of vetted mainstream BS. That's the state of electronic music in the USA right now. instead of being the solution they are part of the problem. that is going to solve a lot. Where else are you going to see all those Detroit artists (and some good stuff from Europe too, I'm sure) perform in the USA? The festival doesn't bring any money or attention to the city, really? Really? C'mon. i would be perfectly fine for things to happen somewhere else, and i would prefer outdoors as well as it is just more fun that way. but it has to be in the city. the rave can go to the suburbs, thats where all the attendees are coming from anyway. Well now you're talking politics not music. I am with you on a lot of the politics, probably, mostly. But there are also larger issues at hand to consider. Electronic music is in such dire shape in the USA that providing a platform for American electronic musicians is my primary concern.
(313) Movement Vitamin Water Main Stage - line up and times
maybe this is throwing gas on the fire but I'm sure some would like to know MOVEMENT 2008 DETROIT ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL ANNOUNCES LINEUP FOR vitaminwater MAIN STAGE Detroit, April 21, 2008 ? Paxahau, producers of MOVEMENT 2008, announces the line-up of artists set to appear on the vitaminwater Stage. For the third consecutive year, festival partner, GlacÈau vitaminwater is sponsoring the festival ? this will be their first year as the main stage sponsor. The vitaminwater Stage will showcase Moby on Saturday, May 24th from 10:00 pm to 12:00 am. vitaminwater was Paxahau's first supporting sponsor, stated Jason Huvaere, festival director. We love having vitaminwater on board because they truly understand what the Movement festival is all about ? great music, great energy and a great audience. This year's diverse and eclectic roster showcases established electronic acts and vanguard artists who exemplify the event's global fan appeal, confirming the Detroit festival as a destination for the international techno circuit. As a third year Movement sponsor, vitaminwater is proud to partner with musicians, DJ's, artists and other creative individuals who incorporate the product into their busy lifestyles as a simple way to stay healthy, explained Mari Lee, Director of Marketing for GlacÈau. Plus, we all need to stay hydrated while we dance the night away. about glacÈau it all started when one thirsty man named darius wanted better water, but couldn't find any worth drinking, so he decided to make his own. along came a guy from queens named mike (he's like darius' robin? but don't tell him that) and because mike has a gift for the gab, it's no wonder word got around, thus emerged glacÈau, a fresh new approach to bottled water. today glacÈau, the leader of the enhanced water category, is the maker of vitaminwater?, smartwater? and vitaminenergy?. Now with 750+ full and part-time employees, (that's a big holiday party) glacÈau is all about helping thirsty people like you hydrate responsibly with something truly good for your body. for more information visit www.glaceau.com. About Paxahau Since 1998 Paxahau has promoted electronic music and has grown to include a web archive, booking agency, record label and an event production company which produces an average of 20 events a year.? With a network of alliances and resources that span the globe, Paxahau has emerged as a premier promotions group within the electronic music industry.? Please visit myspace.com/detroitmusicfest to find the latest news about the festival as it develops. vitaminwater Stage Saturday, May 24th 2:00-4:00 pm TBC 4:00-5:30 pm Deepchord Presents Echospace ? live 5:30-7:00 pm Half Hawaii ? live 7:00-9:00 pm Zip 9:00-10:00 pm DBX ? live 10:00 pm ? 12:00 am ? Moby Sunday, May 25th 2:00-3:30 pm Keith Worthy 3:30-5:00 pm Alton Miller 5:00-7:00 pm Lawnchair Generals 7:00-9:00 pm Miles Maeda 9:00-11:00 pm Mark Farina 11:00 pm?? 12:00 am Carl Craig ? live Monday, May 26th 2:00-4:00 pm Rex Sepulveda - live 4:00-6:00 pm Cassy 6:00-7:00pm Cobblestone Jazz ? live 7:00-8:00 pm Paul Ritch ? live 8:00-9:00 pm Joris Voorn ? live 9:00-11:00 pm Oscar Mulero 11:00 pm ? 12:00 am Speedy J -live w/ Scott Pagano VJ
Re: (313) Movement Vitamin Water Main Stage - line up and times
It's funnier with all of the question marks. Like they're not sure if Echospace will perform or if Moby will be playing at 10 or 12. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 1:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: maybe this is throwing gas on the fire but I'm sure some would like to know MOVEMENT 2008 DETROIT ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL ANNOUNCES LINEUP FOR vitaminwater MAIN STAGE Detroit, April 21, 2008 ? Paxahau, producers of MOVEMENT 2008, announces the line-up of artists set to appear on the vitaminwater Stage. For the third consecutive year, festival partner, GlacÈau vitaminwater is sponsoring the festival ? this will be their first year as the main stage sponsor. The vitaminwater Stage will showcase Moby on Saturday, May 24th from 10:00 pm to 12:00 am. vitaminwater was Paxahau's first supporting sponsor, stated Jason Huvaere, festival director. We love having vitaminwater on board because they truly understand what the Movement festival is all about ? great music, great energy and a great audience. This year's diverse and eclectic roster showcases established electronic acts and vanguard artists who exemplify the event's global fan appeal, confirming the Detroit festival as a destination for the international techno circuit. As a third year Movement sponsor, vitaminwater is proud to partner with musicians, DJ's, artists and other creative individuals who incorporate the product into their busy lifestyles as a simple way to stay healthy, explained Mari Lee, Director of Marketing for GlacÈau. Plus, we all need to stay hydrated while we dance the night away. about glacÈau it all started when one thirsty man named darius wanted better water, but couldn't find any worth drinking, so he decided to make his own. along came a guy from queens named mike (he's like darius' robin? but don't tell him that) and because mike has a gift for the gab, it's no wonder word got around, thus emerged glacÈau, a fresh new approach to bottled water. today glacÈau, the leader of the enhanced water category, is the maker of vitaminwater?, smartwater? and vitaminenergy?. Now with 750+ full and part-time employees, (that's a big holiday party) glacÈau is all about helping thirsty people like you hydrate responsibly with something truly good for your body. for more information visit www.glaceau.com. About Paxahau Since 1998 Paxahau has promoted electronic music and has grown to include a web archive, booking agency, record label and an event production company which produces an average of 20 events a year.? With a network of alliances and resources that span the globe, Paxahau has emerged as a premier promotions group within the electronic music industry.? Please visit myspace.com/detroitmusicfest to find the latest news about the festival as it develops. vitaminwater Stage Saturday, May 24th 2:00-4:00 pm TBC 4:00-5:30 pm Deepchord Presents Echospace ? live 5:30-7:00 pm Half Hawaii ? live 7:00-9:00 pm Zip 9:00-10:00 pm DBX ? live 10:00 pm ? 12:00 am ? Moby Sunday, May 25th 2:00-3:30 pm Keith Worthy 3:30-5:00 pm Alton Miller 5:00-7:00 pm Lawnchair Generals 7:00-9:00 pm Miles Maeda 9:00-11:00 pm Mark Farina 11:00 pm?? 12:00 am Carl Craig ? live Monday, May 26th 2:00-4:00 pm Rex Sepulveda - live 4:00-6:00 pm Cassy 6:00-7:00pm Cobblestone Jazz ? live 7:00-8:00 pm Paul Ritch ? live 8:00-9:00 pm Joris Voorn ? live 9:00-11:00 pm Oscar Mulero 11:00 pm ? 12:00 am Speedy J -live w/ Scott Pagano VJ
(313) Stewart Walker Live in Iowa City 4-20-08
thanks to kent for this! http://infinitestatemachine.com/2008/04/22/guest-mix-stewart-walker-live-in-iowa-city-4-20-08/
Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
Look, the question of whether there has been one festival or several different festivals because there were different production companies just doesn't matter very much to me. It has been the same location, the same weekend, a lot of the same performers and much of the same audience year after year, though changes have occurred over time. At the same time there has obviously been a different approach and style that each production group has taken on. What matters to me is that the general trend is the decline in the relative weight given to Detroit-area DJs and live acts over the years. I like having the mix of locally based and international performers, I just would prefer the dial to be set a little differently on that mix. If you don't agree with me, fine. But I'm here to say there is no correct view of this. fh
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Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/22/2008 03:04:35 PM: Look, the question of whether there has been one festival or several different festivals because there were different production companies just doesn't matter very much to me. At the same time there has obviously been a different approach and style that each production group has taken on. What matters to me is that the general trend is the decline in the relative weight given to Detroit-area DJs and live acts over the years. Eh, yep - string these three together and you've got 1. there's been three different fests 2. three different fest production companies 3. a general trend in a decline of Detroit artist presence You're comparing apples and oranges You have to consider the festivals from each production company seperately - not as a whole string of the same event. It's fair to compare 2002 to 2001 but not 2008 to 2001 because the company in charge during 2001 had NOTHING to do with 2008's fest (and vise versa) each new production company is a new and different festival It just so happened that Pop Culture, Carl Craig, Derrick May, and Kevin Saunderson had a similar goal in mind it's Paxahau's Movement that isn't continuing the same trajectory and never did from the start of their production it's unfair to the previously mentioned producers to lump them in with Paxahau because I don't think they are cut from the same cloth By all signs given, Paxahau is *not* going to do a festival in the same vein as the others they are *not* going to return to a Detroit Electronic Music Festival style event like we had during the 2000-2002 span It does come down to the production company and their mission Each one has had a goal for the festival that was reflected in the line-ups Each production company has given different results My opinion is if you want a 2000-2002 style festival don't wait around for Paxahau to deliver it Three years in a row they've shown that they just aren't interested in doing it MEK
Re: (313) 4 more Bowel Movement acts
I was going to ask if anybody else has bit-bucketed the thread, but then I realized nobody would see it who has. Anyway, I'm creating a gmail filter to shovel this poop directly into my trash from now on. This list is much more interesting when people post about the records they're feeling or positive news about 313 related artists, like the stewart walker show, for example. Less arguing, more content, pls k thx. On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 5:01 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/22/2008 03:04:35 PM: Look, the question of whether there has been one festival or several different festivals because there were different production companies just doesn't matter very much to me. At the same time there has obviously been a different approach and style that each production group has taken on. What matters to me is that the general trend is the decline in the relative weight given to Detroit-area DJs and live acts over the years. Eh, yep - string these three together and you've got 1. there's been three different fests 2. three different fest production companies 3. a general trend in a decline of Detroit artist presence You're comparing apples and oranges You have to consider the festivals from each production company seperately - not as a whole string of the same event. It's fair to compare 2002 to 2001 but not 2008 to 2001 because the company in charge during 2001 had NOTHING to do with 2008's fest (and vise versa) each new production company is a new and different festival It just so happened that Pop Culture, Carl Craig, Derrick May, and Kevin Saunderson had a similar goal in mind it's Paxahau's Movement that isn't continuing the same trajectory and never did from the start of their production it's unfair to the previously mentioned producers to lump them in with Paxahau because I don't think they are cut from the same cloth By all signs given, Paxahau is *not* going to do a festival in the same vein as the others they are *not* going to return to a Detroit Electronic Music Festival style event like we had during the 2000-2002 span It does come down to the production company and their mission Each one has had a goal for the festival that was reflected in the line-ups Each production company has given different results My opinion is if you want a 2000-2002 style festival don't wait around for Paxahau to deliver it Three years in a row they've shown that they just aren't interested in doing it MEK -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
(313) this week's top fifteen
decidedly not 313 related, not a detroit artist in the pack, and some really non-techno stuff too i included that yes we can even though i'm not in love with the track from a musical/soul perspective, i have to support it because it's got that obama new hampshire speech in it. wish i could find a clean copy of the same speech to use in my own track or a capella over another cut quentin harris feat. jason walker - can't stop - strictly rhythm fertile ground - light shed'n (count zero shed a little more edit) - unreleased house music united - yes we can - reinvent music amampondo - i exist because of you (henrik schwarz version) - innervisions milton jackson - andorms - tronicsole rpo/david weed - aztek - garbage records stefano valentini - nutella ketchup - rejoy records peret mako - scenic route/air a dime - future classic layo bushwacka - things change (deep mix) - olmeto records unphixt - siva (killer k mix) - k alexi digital karizma - it's what i am (simbad remix)/groove a k ordingly - r2 records chaircrusher - legs benedict - unreleased marco zenker - fountion - ilian tape samklang - chip - snork enterprises edwin starr - contact (hypno edit by dj hypnotyza) - unreleased a little heavy on the mnml, i know, but i guess that's just the mood i'm in this week -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts
its MOVEMENT: DETROIT'S ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL if you dont understand what that means, you can't read and should unsub. nothing in that name insinuates a festival of detroit electronic music, but rather an electronic music festival in, and belonging to detroit. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Well, the mistake is actually in calling it DEMF. It's not DEMF - it's Movement. Time for a paradigm shift. That's the biggest reason I see people getting upset about well, the first years were more Detroit The first years - meaning THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival (Pop Culture's production) WAS a celebration of Detroit's electronic music. What's going on now is a different festival called Movement. People are fooling themselves into thinking it's THE DEMF because it occupies the same date and space as the other festivals. There hasn't been any inheritance imo. THE DEMF stopped in 2003. That was the last year of The Detroit Electronic Music Festival. End of story. All the other festivals that have followed are officially titled by other names. for once I gotta agree with r3dshift - it's time to stop comparing Paxahau's Movement to The Detroit Electronic Music Festival (DEMF) if you continue to compare them you might as well compare the Hoe Down or the Jazz Fest to DEMF as well DEMF is... er, was, a celebration of Detroit Techno Movement isn't it's just another electronic music festival that just so happens to take place in Detroit because that's where the production company is located and there's a space available at this point - Movement could feasibly, well, move - to any other city and it would make about as much sense as it does now if you shift your thoughts and start to see Movement as Movement and not DEMF or THE DEMF you might possibly, like me, begin to not really be bothered by it Movement has not inherited the legacy of DEMF MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/21/2008 05:57:31 PM: as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Mark Farina Lawnchair Generals Miles Maeda Punisher / good god - for every one good act they add three crap ones I don't have a problem with any of those. I've known Mark since 1992, haven't seen MM but like some of his, and I have a pretty high regard for some of the LG output, which is made of sterner stuff than most west coast house these days. And of course Punisher has always been good when I've seen her, and remember she stood well above the relentless mediocrity at the underground stage one year. My bigger problem is the continuing de-focus on Detroit in the lineup. Yes, there are some Detroit area artists on the list, and good for them, but overall it just doesn't have the breadth and depth it should given who's within local driving distance of the festival. And this isn't just conjecture about what it could be, it's about what it was when you go back and look at the first couple of years. fh
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Damn... Sonar gotta book only Barcelona native artists, from now on. On 22/04/2008, at 19:24, /0 wrote: its MOVEMENT: DETROIT'S ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL if you dont understand what that means, you can't read and should unsub. nothing in that name insinuates a festival of detroit electronic music, but rather an electronic music festival in, and belonging to detroit. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Well, the mistake is actually in calling it DEMF. It's not DEMF - it's Movement. Time for a paradigm shift. That's the biggest reason I see people getting upset about well, the first years were more Detroit The first years - meaning THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival (Pop Culture's production) WAS a celebration of Detroit's electronic music. What's going on now is a different festival called Movement. People are fooling themselves into thinking it's THE DEMF because it occupies the same date and space as the other festivals. There hasn't been any inheritance imo. THE DEMF stopped in 2003. That was the last year of The Detroit Electronic Music Festival. End of story. All the other festivals that have followed are officially titled by other names. for once I gotta agree with r3dshift - it's time to stop comparing Paxahau's Movement to The Detroit Electronic Music Festival (DEMF) if you continue to compare them you might as well compare the Hoe Down or the Jazz Fest to DEMF as well DEMF is... er, was, a celebration of Detroit Techno Movement isn't it's just another electronic music festival that just so happens to take place in Detroit because that's where the production company is located and there's a space available at this point - Movement could feasibly, well, move - to any other city and it would make about as much sense as it does now if you shift your thoughts and start to see Movement as Movement and not DEMF or THE DEMF you might possibly, like me, begin to not really be bothered by it Movement has not inherited the legacy of DEMF MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/21/2008 05:57:31 PM: as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Mark Farina Lawnchair Generals Miles Maeda Punisher / good god - for every one good act they add three crap ones I don't have a problem with any of those. I've known Mark since 1992, haven't seen MM but like some of his, and I have a pretty high regard for some of the LG output, which is made of sterner stuff than most west coast house these days. And of course Punisher has always been good when I've seen her, and remember she stood well above the relentless mediocrity at the underground stage one year. My bigger problem is the continuing de-focus on Detroit in the lineup. Yes, there are some Detroit area artists on the list, and good for them, but overall it just doesn't have the breadth and depth it should given who's within local driving distance of the festival. And this isn't just conjecture about what it could be, it's about what it was when you go back and look at the first couple of years. fh
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Damn... Sonar gotta book only Barcelona native artists, from now on. that would be tre' painful. +odd -- On Apr 22, 2008, at 7:20 PM, Kowalsky wrote: Damn... Sonar gotta book only Barcelona native artists, from now on. On 22/04/2008, at 19:24, /0 wrote: its MOVEMENT: DETROIT'S ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL if you dont understand what that means, you can't read and should unsub. nothing in that name insinuates a festival of detroit electronic music, but rather an electronic music festival in, and belonging to detroit. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Well, the mistake is actually in calling it DEMF. It's not DEMF - it's Movement. Time for a paradigm shift. That's the biggest reason I see people getting upset about well, the first years were more Detroit The first years - meaning THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival (Pop Culture's production) WAS a celebration of Detroit's electronic music. What's going on now is a different festival called Movement. People are fooling themselves into thinking it's THE DEMF because it occupies the same date and space as the other festivals. There hasn't been any inheritance imo. THE DEMF stopped in 2003. That was the last year of The Detroit Electronic Music Festival. End of story. All the other festivals that have followed are officially titled by other names. for once I gotta agree with r3dshift - it's time to stop comparing Paxahau's Movement to The Detroit Electronic Music Festival (DEMF) if you continue to compare them you might as well compare the Hoe Down or the Jazz Fest to DEMF as well DEMF is... er, was, a celebration of Detroit Techno Movement isn't it's just another electronic music festival that just so happens to take place in Detroit because that's where the production company is located and there's a space available at this point - Movement could feasibly, well, move - to any other city and it would make about as much sense as it does now if you shift your thoughts and start to see Movement as Movement and not DEMF or THE DEMF you might possibly, like me, begin to not really be bothered by it Movement has not inherited the legacy of DEMF MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/21/2008 05:57:31 PM: as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Mark Farina Lawnchair Generals Miles Maeda Punisher / good god - for every one good act they add three crap ones I don't have a problem with any of those. I've known Mark since 1992, haven't seen MM but like some of his, and I have a pretty high regard for some of the LG output, which is made of sterner stuff than most west coast house these days. And of course Punisher has always been good when I've seen her, and remember she stood well above the relentless mediocrity at the underground stage one year. My bigger problem is the continuing de-focus on Detroit in the lineup. Yes, there are some Detroit area artists on the list, and good for them, but overall it just doesn't have the breadth and depth it should given who's within local driving distance of the festival. And this isn't just conjecture about what it could be, it's about what it was when you go back and look at the first couple of years. fh
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Michael, you get it. respect, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/22/2008 03:04:35 PM: Look, the question of whether there has been one festival or several different festivals because there were different production companies just doesn't matter very much to me. At the same time there has obviously been a different approach and style that each production group has taken on. What matters to me is that the general trend is the decline in the relative weight given to Detroit-area DJs and live acts over the years. Eh, yep - string these three together and you've got 1. there's been three different fests 2. three different fest production companies 3. a general trend in a decline of Detroit artist presence You're comparing apples and oranges You have to consider the festivals from each production company seperately - not as a whole string of the same event. It's fair to compare 2002 to 2001 but not 2008 to 2001 because the company in charge during 2001 had NOTHING to do with 2008's fest (and vise versa) each new production company is a new and different festival It just so happened that Pop Culture, Carl Craig, Derrick May, and Kevin Saunderson had a similar goal in mind it's Paxahau's Movement that isn't continuing the same trajectory and never did from the start of their production it's unfair to the previously mentioned producers to lump them in with Paxahau because I don't think they are cut from the same cloth By all signs given, Paxahau is *not* going to do a festival in the same vein as the others they are *not* going to return to a Detroit Electronic Music Festival style event like we had during the 2000-2002 span It does come down to the production company and their mission Each one has had a goal for the festival that was reflected in the line-ups Each production company has given different results My opinion is if you want a 2000-2002 style festival don't wait around for Paxahau to deliver it Three years in a row they've shown that they just aren't interested in doing it MEK
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LOL zing :p - Original Message - From: Kowalsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [313] 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:20 PM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Damn... Sonar gotta book only Barcelona native artists, from now on. On 22/04/2008, at 19:24, /0 wrote: its MOVEMENT: DETROIT'S ELECTRONIC MUSIC FESTIVAL if you dont understand what that means, you can't read and should unsub. nothing in that name insinuates a festival of detroit electronic music, but rather an electronic music festival in, and belonging to detroit. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 10:43 AM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Well, the mistake is actually in calling it DEMF. It's not DEMF - it's Movement. Time for a paradigm shift. That's the biggest reason I see people getting upset about well, the first years were more Detroit The first years - meaning THE Detroit Electronic Music Festival (Pop Culture's production) WAS a celebration of Detroit's electronic music. What's going on now is a different festival called Movement. People are fooling themselves into thinking it's THE DEMF because it occupies the same date and space as the other festivals. There hasn't been any inheritance imo. THE DEMF stopped in 2003. That was the last year of The Detroit Electronic Music Festival. End of story. All the other festivals that have followed are officially titled by other names. for once I gotta agree with r3dshift - it's time to stop comparing Paxahau's Movement to The Detroit Electronic Music Festival (DEMF) if you continue to compare them you might as well compare the Hoe Down or the Jazz Fest to DEMF as well DEMF is... er, was, a celebration of Detroit Techno Movement isn't it's just another electronic music festival that just so happens to take place in Detroit because that's where the production company is located and there's a space available at this point - Movement could feasibly, well, move - to any other city and it would make about as much sense as it does now if you shift your thoughts and start to see Movement as Movement and not DEMF or THE DEMF you might possibly, like me, begin to not really be bothered by it Movement has not inherited the legacy of DEMF MEK /0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 04/21/2008 05:57:31 PM: as has been said, its not a detroit techno festival, its detroits electronic music festival. and Im glad. a yearly festival dedicated to any sub-genre would get boring and increasingly hard to market. detroit has more people on the lineup than any one other city by FAR, so you, being a fan of detroit techno, should be happy with that. this list needs to snap out of this demf-is-a-celebration-of-detroit-techno mindset, because it just leads to cyclical wastes of time in the form of all this whining about lineups - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 7:06 PM Subject: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts Mark Farina Lawnchair Generals Miles Maeda Punisher / good god - for every one good act they add three crap ones I don't have a problem with any of those. I've known Mark since 1992, haven't seen MM but like some of his, and I have a pretty high regard for some of the LG output, which is made of sterner stuff than most west coast house these days. And of course Punisher has always been good when I've seen her, and remember she stood well above the relentless mediocrity at the underground stage one year. My bigger problem is the continuing de-focus on Detroit in the lineup. Yes, there are some Detroit area artists on the list, and good for them, but overall it just doesn't have the breadth and depth it should given who's within local driving distance of the festival. And this isn't just conjecture about what it could be, it's about what it was when you go back and look at the first couple of years. fh
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You're right Tom, it's gonna suck this year, you better just stay in PA, where all the real parties happen. OMG THERE IS NO 24 HOUR KDJ/THEO STAGE1 - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Re: Re: (313) 4 more Movement acts On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: well, it's called Movement: Detroit's Electronic Music Festival. an amalgamation of the names previously used for the festival that was about detroit music. which is the problem. so i guess, if you want, you CAN see it as Big Rave X, big rave that happens to be in Detroit but we're going around in circles again... what circle is that? the only thing happening is the appropriation of name, music, and place by white people of a largely black culture. yes, we are going around that circle yet again, but this time it is happening in Hart plaza instead of in Europe. tom
