Re: RIP K. HAND

[Mario De Block]

Detroit - Chicago: -1  -  -1. Anyone knowing the cause with K-Hand?

Van: David Gillies 
Verzonden: donderdag 5 augustus 2021 6:10
Aan: W Lammerts 
CC: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: RIP K. HAND

And Paul Johnson today

https://mixmag.net/read/chicago-house-legend-paul-johnson-dj-died-news

On Tue, 3 Aug 2021 at 21:01, W Lammerts 
mailto:wibo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
https://www.google.nl/amp/s/mixmag.net/amp/detroit-techno-legend-k-hand-acacia-died

Re: Vainqueur - Mauve

[Mario De Block]

'Vainqueur Mauve' is or was a competition horse, I see in rankings... If you 
ever passed by such rankings as 
https://data.fei.org/Person/Performance.aspx?p=84EC5A6D6A21EC5F3F2C7EDE16583EE7

Van: W Lammerts 
Verzonden: dinsdag 16 februari 2021 15:26
Aan: 3...@coke-smyth.net <3...@coke-smyth.net>
CC: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Vainqueur - Mauve

Discogs says no. So, no.

Op di 16 feb. 2021 om 04:03 schreef Chaah.Lee 
<3...@coke-smyth.net>:
Does this release actually exist, or did I imagine it?

that is all

C

--
becaus..


--
| soundcloud | mixcloud | 
twitter |
--

Re: Derrick May: The other shoe drops

[Mario De Block]

May's answer in that piece (if not cut and pasted from other sources) is gross 
to me.
It's sad in its own way - I hardly can enjoy music when distorted morals turn 
out to have been linked, and I did like May's mixing a lot. I'm glad I didn't 
interview May while reporting at large on Movement 2003, for a Belgian mag.

It's interesting, also, to see how other deejays and producers have reacted so 
far, and sure will. Justin Berkovi (and way earlier before, Thomas Barnett) 
took a clear stand against DM earlier, a whole lot of others kept sympathy 
since the outburst of reports. Which I thought was rather dubious...

M.

Van: kent williams 
Verzonden: donderdag 12 november 2020 23:40
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Derrick May: The other shoe drops

I have serious reservations about how Michael James has handled his part of the 
story.  I am glad that DJ Mag has done the work to separate this issue from 
Michael James. James has other grievances with Derrick May that colored 
people's reaction to his allegations.

https://djmag.com/longreads/multiple-women-report-sexual-assault-and-harassment-derrick-may

J2v Virtual festival

[Mario De Block]

featuring Stacey Pullen at the moment (following up on Terrence Parker)

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=3312071392177585=watch_permalink

M.

Re: Break The Silence - charity comp

[Mario De Block]

rocking his kitchen, Hood's in the house

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v=298605364601010_id=1593893217680362_t=live_video

M.

Van: Andrew Duke 
Verzonden: vrijdag 3 juli 2020 17:31
Aan: Nathan Goode 
CC: 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Break The Silence - charity comp

Good stuff all around.
http://andrewdukeinthemix.com





On Fri, Jul 3, 2020 at 11:13 AM Nathan Goode 
mailto:nathg...@tpg.com.au>> wrote:
There’s a charity compilation called Break The Silence to raise money for 
Campaign Zero (joincampaignzero.org) coming out on 
July 4.
Tracks from a number of Detroit artists including Eddie Fowlkes, Robert Hood, 
Jon Dixon, Mark Flash.

Preorder links here - https://ffm.to/break_the_silence

Nathan

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

that's an amazing, even interstellar increase in fb 'friends' you have, 
recently, as far as I know... Can one buy friends, on a way to 'global fame'?

Anyway: why should I connect/follow up so closely on someone who's blocked me 
mailwise? I'm not cynical or lacking enough self-respect for that, I think. I'm 
open for wise, healthy contacts that feel safe and warm enough, and are 
mutually learnful and stimulating, personally. Yet, I do browse sometimes. One 
may find interesting stuff some time. The visit on Twitter was learnful on how 
you look upon the 313 list and many of its members. I don't feel included in 
all that.

M.

Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 3:20
Aan: Mario De Block ; 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about


Here's my IG: 
https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax<https://www.instagram.com/schoolcraftwax/?hl=en>

And here's my FB: https://www.facebook.com/dalphond

I'm maxed out on FB friends, but everything is public. You don't miss out on 
anything if we can't be friends.

I try to be a public educator on the internet.


Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work<http://schoolcraftwax.work>


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 9:11 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:

don't try to tell me having problems here, then - it's you yourself having 
blocked me, with no reasoning. Especially not after my second mail. I didn't 
invite you on talking about rape culture. I only indicated it was an unjust 
suggestive point you tried to make.

By the way, I nuanced what you didn't yourself. You tweeted, for instance:

the 313 listserv is a place where racists & sexists thrive.

the 313 Detroit techno listserv is a place where whitesplaining is the name of 
the game. & if you don't whitesplain & don't support the whitesplainers full 
tilt, you're villainous.

techno and toxic whiteness are BFF. boyfriends 4ever.

the 313 listserv is a place where mostly elderly white men will tell you who to 
listen to and who to like and what to think about it.

on the 313 Detroit techno listserv, i'm accused, by kent williams, the elderly 
white man moderator, of making the list a shadow of what it used 2B. it's been 
dead [Skull] 4 years. boring AF. it's a shadow of its own death.


I mean... The 313 list might better be (passively or actively) supported by its 
members, instead of openly accused of such behaviour, right?

What do the other members think of this?

I'm quite sure that anyone who's able to communicate constructively or at least 
neutrally in an interpersonal sense (which is simply due as long as anyone 
doesn't cross lines with someone else), is welcome here. Of whatever 
nationality, age, being a he/she/they, and with any possible skin colour or 
religion. As long as the love for Detroit and its culture is a structural link.
And whoever crosses lines in whatever sense to anyone, should be able (or brave 
enough) to be confronted with that, get into a righteous exchange, and take any 
eventual apt message, to get straight with facts and people. They
 should not be blocked or unsubbed necessarily, but anyone in such interaction 
should be or feel invited to get into fair overthinking and conclusion, based 
on healthy exchange - with anyone being free of personal conclusion, but not 
free of interpersonal respect. Unless anything bad will take over and gets 
installed. A forum only exists by grace of anyone's constructive behaviour.

This, at least, is my way of looking upon this.

Mario

Van: Denise Dalphond mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:37
Aan: Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>>
CC: Kevin Kennedy mailto:the...@gmail.com>>; list 313 
<313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

All my internet is public cause I’m tryin to get globally famous. Tell your 
friends. I don’t need to talk to you about rape culture, bro. I need to be able 
to talk about music in a safe environment, which this ain’t. I’m thankful for 
social networks.

Read on.

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

the moment you blocked me, was after I confronted you with having crossed a 
line with you openly suggesting we'd be supporting rape culture here. This, to 
me, is an example of an unhealthy proposition.

You blocked me, instead of getting into a worthy, adultered discussion, to 
clear out on things. I wrote you back, later on, to try and clarify I'm not 
into rape culture, in any slightest sense. Not any atom in my body would think 
about raping anyone.
Still, this did not change your attitude.

Why explicitly supposing we'd support rape culture?

Your public Twitter rants of late (all dated June 25th for some reason) state 
this 313 list is much too full of racists and sexists.

That's another form of projecting - beyond boundaries, again.


Mario

Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:17
Aan: Mario De Block 
CC: Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Not after I’ve been called names and silenced over and over again. If I had to 
block you, then you have problems. Mario, I’m writing this from my spam folder 
as I blocked you a long time ago, as well.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 8:14 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
Kent proposed that, indeed.
Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list.

Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in 
communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires being 
able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and where 
sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to bridge 
eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural haughtiness -nor 
fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would complicate a healthy 
exchange. It requires well-conscious and self-conscious communication between 
people.


My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of gender.

Mario



Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01
Aan: Kevin Kennedy 
CC: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to 
happen.

I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations.

I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how to 
speak.
--
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work
--
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work<http://schoolcraftwax.work>

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

Kent proposed that, indeed.
Later on, you wrote: Take me off the list.

Being able to be compassionate still requires some form of equivalency in 
communication, in leaving equal space for anyone involved. It requires being 
able to be vulnerable, too, and showing this, as to be honest if and where 
sensitive spots are touched. It requires everyone involved to want to bridge 
eventual differences in any relevant sense, with no structural haughtiness -nor 
fixed minority complex- from anyone's side, as this would complicate a healthy 
exchange. It requires well-conscious and self-conscious communication between 
people.


My writing aimed at anyone interested and open to it, regardless of gender.

Mario



Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 2:01
Aan: Kevin Kennedy 
CC: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Kent said he was gonna unsubscribe me. He didn’t. Still waiting on that to 
happen.

I expect people to be compassionate, but you shouldn’t have expectations.

I’m tired of being tone policed, especially when no men are being told how to 
speak.
--
Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

and, as I was gently suggested by a constructive member: I mean he/she/they 
before, when I (honestly) tried to include people non-exclusively male or 
female, with an X mark (being used in some languages and concepts, still, but I 
take suggestions well in that matter).

M.

Van: Mario De Block 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:36
Aan: Kevin Kennedy ; list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about


sure,
"Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you 
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!"

Did that, and enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rBIBy7ytyM. But doing 
all this by ourselves doesn't speak volumes on the forum as such, . That's 
where communication starts. As I wrote just before. Starting with good 
intentions, with responsability, with a tiny bit of consciousness on what you 
write and what one will read. And correcting oneself if gaps or worse arise 
between members.

I simply, but conscientiously wrote what I did, inviting whatever person of 
whatever gender or X person to stop aiming below someone else's belt - which is 
a prime sexist trade, to me, in whatever direction- and to stop such crap. That 
simple call for simple and correct interpersonal behaviour again was received 
in total misunderstanding. Not any haughty, unjust projection should have any 
place here. It's the essence of maintaining a forum in correct spirit.

And if someone openly communicates a request to be unsubbed, his or her wish 
should be fulfilled, if the already guided link to do so autonomously should 
not work for itself.

We're here for the music, mainly, not for projecting whatever that's unjust and 
incorrect, and leaving others trying to cope with the distortions coming with 
that. One may have a bad day, or two, but not work it our interpersonally here 
(or wherever).


M.

Van: Kevin Kennedy 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:05
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Joe:

   You're not helping.  Not at all.  Please keep your sideshow baiting antics 
elsewhere before this turns into a roast-of you.  I will bring up the Detroit 
tradition of 'snapping' on you if necessary.  You've hung out with some of the 
Detroit family...you CAN get roasted, salted and shook...then sold by the bag 
for peanuts.

Denise:  This may be fun to you to antagonize others today-but I'd absolutely 
love to see better from someone who is a respected academic.  One of the many 
themes of Detroit Techno is escapism, maybe we should all consider escaping 
from arguing about politics and who said what and semantics.  At the end, all 
our coffins will be the same size (or our urn a similar amount of ashes).

Second, y'all mfers name-calling and picking fights aren't sh!t.  Be an adult 
please...and miss me all the way with the 'well she started it' BS.

Sometimes it's better to sit on your hands until they're numb than type out hot 
garbage that will be a permanent record.

Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you 
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!

 Because in my opinion, the above is extremely counterproductive.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific 
person in that sense, if present)

Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote whatever 
gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever being shaped 
to small for you.

Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take that. 
Return to sender.

M.

Van: Denise Dalphond mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45
Aan: Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>>
CC: Daniel Bean mailto:danbean@gmail.com>>; Joe 
Marougi mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>>; Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>>; The 
Archiver mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net>>; U 
Design mailto:uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com>>; 
list 313 <313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about

Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. 
You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist.

When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes me 
think you’re stupid.

Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist.






On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - 
Kent proposals did well for that?
But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? 
Regardless of what he/she/X

Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

sure,
"Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you 
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!"

Did that, and enjoyed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rBIBy7ytyM. But doing 
all this by ourselves doesn't speak volumes on the forum as such, . That's 
where communication starts. As I wrote just before. Starting with good 
intentions, with responsability, with a tiny bit of consciousness on what you 
write and what one will read. And correcting oneself if gaps or worse arise 
between members.

I simply, but conscientiously wrote what I did, inviting whatever person of 
whatever gender or X person to stop aiming below someone else's belt - which is 
a prime sexist trade, to me, in whatever direction- and to stop such crap. That 
simple call for simple and correct interpersonal behaviour again was received 
in total misunderstanding. Not any haughty, unjust projection should have any 
place here. It's the essence of maintaining a forum in correct spirit.

And if someone openly communicates a request to be unsubbed, his or her wish 
should be fulfilled, if the already guided link to do so autonomously should 
not work for itself.

We're here for the music, mainly, not for projecting whatever that's unjust and 
incorrect, and leaving others trying to cope with the distortions coming with 
that. One may have a bad day, or two, but not work it our interpersonally here 
(or wherever).


M.

Van: Kevin Kennedy 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 1:05
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: FW: What this list is and isn't about

Joe:

   You're not helping.  Not at all.  Please keep your sideshow baiting antics 
elsewhere before this turns into a roast-of you.  I will bring up the Detroit 
tradition of 'snapping' on you if necessary.  You've hung out with some of the 
Detroit family...you CAN get roasted, salted and shook...then sold by the bag 
for peanuts.

Denise:  This may be fun to you to antagonize others today-but I'd absolutely 
love to see better from someone who is a respected academic.  One of the many 
themes of Detroit Techno is escapism, maybe we should all consider escaping 
from arguing about politics and who said what and semantics.  At the end, all 
our coffins will be the same size (or our urn a similar amount of ashes).

Second, y'all mfers name-calling and picking fights aren't sh!t.  Be an adult 
please...and miss me all the way with the 'well she started it' BS.

Sometimes it's better to sit on your hands until they're numb than type out hot 
garbage that will be a permanent record.

Play some records, make some music, play that game on your phone that you 
downloaded and haven't tried yet...Heck, find something!

 Because in my opinion, the above is extremely counterproductive.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:50 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:


oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific 
person in that sense, if present)

Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote whatever 
gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever being shaped 
to small for you.

Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take that. 
Return to sender.

M.

Van: Denise Dalphond mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45
Aan: Mario De Block mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>>
CC: Daniel Bean mailto:danbean@gmail.com>>; Joe 
Marougi mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>>; Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>>; The 
Archiver mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net>>; U 
Design mailto:uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com>>; 
list 313 <313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about

Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. 
You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist.

When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes me 
think you’re stupid.

Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist.






On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - 
Kent proposals did well for that?
But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? 
Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it.
A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in 
itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve at 
least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires digital 
communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of estimation of how 
one's communication will or could be read or understood - and bridging 
miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as

FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

oh boy/girl/X (and I write X as to write inclusively here - at no specific 
person in that sense, if present)

Denise. Stop centering yourself endlessly. I conscientiously wrote whatever 
gender has whatever under the belt. You yourself ranted at whoever being shaped 
to small for you.

Look what you wrote a few hours ago. Look what you write. I don't take that. 
Return to sender.

M.

Van: Denise Dalphond 
Verzonden: woensdag 1 juli 2020 0:45
Aan: Mario De Block 
CC: Daniel Bean ; Joe Marougi ; Rob 
Taylor ; The Archiver 
; U Design ; list 
313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about

Why is anyone on this list concerned with my genitals? I don’t understand. 
You’ll never get close to them. Maybe you wanna go talk to a therapist.

When someone tells you they’re female and you still say he or X, it makes me 
think you’re stupid.

Oftentimes, people that act homophobic and sexist, also act racist.






On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 6:35 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - 
Kent proposals did well for that?
But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? 
Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it.
A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in 
itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve at 
least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires digital 
communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of estimation of how 
one's communication will or could be read or understood - and bridging 
miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as essential.


(ps, I don't think Joe compared BLM to KKK, he connected BHI to them, and this 
requires nuance too).

€ 0.02

Mario

FW: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

(retry after failure of delivery notice, supposedly due to containing previous 
messages in text body)

anything D-related (in broad sense) would be welcome for me, on this forum - 
Kents proposals did well for that.
But why would anyone post snide comments, that freeze the atmosphere? 
Regardless of what he/she/X has under the belt, and the size of it.
A forum requires some form of connection (which D techno/house music is in 
itself), but to me, it also requires some engagement in wanting to preserve at 
least some essential spirit of that connection. A web forum requires digital 
communication, which just requires at least a minimal bit of estimation of how 
one's communication will or could be read or understood - and bridging 
miscommunication gaps, if happening, is as essential. If one isn't willing to 
cope with that, to me, deems worthy of questioning the whole point of taking 
part in a forum.


(ps, I don't think Joe compared BLM to KKK, he connected BHI to them, and this 
requires nuance too).

€ 0.02

Mario

Re: What this list is and isn't about

[Mario De Block]

I think it would be good for all to check and read
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/black-hebrew-israelites. It says 
not all of its (sub)groups are racist/anti-white/antisemitic. Wikipedia refers 
to a source numbering them up to 144.

Just for the fact-based nuance.

Mario

Van: Joe Marougi 
Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2020 22:37
Aan: Rob Taylor 
CC: Daniel Bean ; Denise Dalphond 
; The Archiver ; list 
313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: What this list is and isn't about

What’s that got to do with D techno etc?

I didn’t get the memo where in order to be a fan/have a label etc that I also 
had to be a far leftist?

That group is unquestionably and unapologetically racist. Love how you try to 
paint me as having issue with  “any black movement” when I’ve only mentioned 
one who’s way out of bounds.

Nice try.  Why don’t you go break a few windows with your buddies since that’s 
who you appear to be.





On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:18 PM Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
 Not sure why you’re in this group Joe if you are equating any black movement 
with the KKK, esp if you are defending cops

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Jun 2020, at 20:20, Joe Marougi 
mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>> wrote:


As much as I’d love to respond by saying “figures you’d defend a group that’s 
pretty much the black version of the KKK which makes you a bigger racist than 
they are ” I won’t out of respect to Rob’s request 

Sorry guys, just taking advantage of the Wild West here while it lasts.  See 
what happens when you abolish the police? 



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:56 AM Denise Dalphond 
mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Joe, I blocked you a long time ago, too. It takes a lot of effort to sort 
through your loony messages. Which racist group? White people?



Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
ethnomusicologist
schoolcraftwax.work


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:40 PM Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Very familiar, hence the comment. Please stop with this both Joe and Denise.

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:26, Rob Taylor 
mailto:barringtonphelo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It is. Wtf.

Sent from my iPhone

On 30 Jun 2020, at 19:07, Joe Marougi 
mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Not sure if you’re familiar with the context with that racist group and Karen’s 
actions here.  Apparently not?

If so you’d see that my comment was spot on.




On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 11:04 AM Daniel Bean 
mailto:danbean@gmail.com>> wrote:
This sounds quite racist.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020, 6:59 PM Joe Marougi 
mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Don’t you have a black Hebrew Israelite rally to attend as the designated 
foot-kisser??



On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:57 AM Denise Dalphond 
mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh wow. I skim emails out of habit from being a mom in graduate school all 
those years. Somebody said I have a penis? No. I just remind you how small and 
skinny yours is. Or my alphaness just makes it limp. Either way, you’re too 
short.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 1:45 PM The Archiver 
mailto:thearchi...@thearchiver.net>> wrote:
Can you close the door on your way out...



On 30 Jun 2020, at 17:52, Denise Dalphond 
mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I’m still on the list, yo.

This list is about making a huge deal about something and then not doing it.

Have you just been listening to DJ Hyperactive instead of dealing with 
Hyperreal, Dan Sicko? Oh I mean Kent.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 10:36 AM kent williams 
mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com>> wrote:
1. Detroit techno music
2. Detroit house music
3. Music inspired by Detroint techno and house music
4. Ghettotech & Jit.
5. The people who make 1-4
6. The social and political context of 1-5

What it isn't about:
1. Any individual list member unless they're in #5 above
2. The list admin.

Since you're coming for me in particular.
0. "Corn music" - are you having a laugh?
1. "With all due respect" is a euphemism for "You supreme bell-end" "No 
offense" means "I'm going to be offensive."
2. I have made 3 albums and several EPs and I generally don't bring them up 
here. While I count Detroit music as a huge influence, my music has diverged 
from anything that could be called techno, so I've made myself off-topic.
3. I have the job of list administrator (not moderator) because no one else 
wanted it.  I do the best I can and if you don't like it, unsubscribe. I posted 
instructions on how to do so the other day in the spirit of "Let me google that 
for you."
4. Do you mean "Langer" as in slang for penis?   That comment seems out of 
order on several levels.


On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 5:52 AM cnd <3...@coke-smyth.net> wrote:
I'm with Kevin and Denise on this one.

This is a list about dark black music and rhythm control. With all due
respect, a single mod who makes corn music doesn't really cut in
politically.

Noi offense Eamonn but at least Denise has a 

Re: Dopplereffekt

[Mario De Block]

well, it's a first 2lp and digital format version of this former International 
Deejay Gigolos cd release 
(https://www.discogs.com/Dopplereffekt-Linear-Accelerator/master/12581), but 
indeed, some tracks are really tight

Mario

Van: kent williams 
Verzonden: dinsdag 30 juni 2020 16:37
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Dopplereffekt

Great news, and I love the one preview track.

On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 4:05 PM Mario De Block 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
digitally available from July 19th: 
https://wemerecords.bandcamp.com/album/linear-accelerator-weme31327
[https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3106518298_5.jpg]<https://wemerecords.bandcamp.com/album/linear-accelerator-weme31327>
Linear Accelerator WeMe313.27, by 
Dopplereffekt<https://wemerecords.bandcamp.com/album/linear-accelerator-weme31327>
6 track album
wemerecords.bandcamp.com<http://wemerecords.bandcamp.com>

(2lp pre-order is sold out,
 
https://wemerecords.com/shop/dopplereffekt-linear-accelerator-2lp-crystal-clear-vinyl-pre-order/)

Mario


Van: John Sokolowski mailto:jrsokolow...@hotmail.com>>
Verzonden: maandag 29 juni 2020 22:58
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>>
Onderwerp: Mike Huckaby - From The Mind Of S Y N T H mix

Here is a Mike Huckaby mix for those interested. It is from a mix CD released 
in Japan. Enjoy!

https://www.mixcloud.com/Electro_Daddy/mike-huckaby-from-the-mind-of-s-y-n-t-h/

Dopplereffekt

[Mario De Block]

digitally available from July 19th: 
https://wemerecords.bandcamp.com/album/linear-accelerator-weme31327
[https://f4.bcbits.com/img/a3106518298_5.jpg]
Linear Accelerator WeMe313.27, by 
Dopplereffekt
6 track album
wemerecords.bandcamp.com

(2lp pre-order is sold out,
 
https://wemerecords.com/shop/dopplereffekt-linear-accelerator-2lp-crystal-clear-vinyl-pre-order/)

Mario


Van: John Sokolowski 
Verzonden: maandag 29 juni 2020 22:58
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Mike Huckaby - From The Mind Of S Y N T H mix

Here is a Mike Huckaby mix for those interested. It is from a mix CD released 
in Japan. Enjoy!

https://www.mixcloud.com/Electro_Daddy/mike-huckaby-from-the-mind-of-s-y-n-t-h/

Re: Michael Huckaby RIP

[Mario De Block]

I really liked this remix so much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iINfj5GV6-I

Van: Will Walker 
Verzonden: zaterdag 25 april 2020 4:16
Aan: Monica Lesher 
CC: Edward Thompson ; Andrew Duke 
; 313 list <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Michael Huckaby RIP

first time I saw him play...amazing introduction

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLYIv-78n2E

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:59 PM Monica Lesher 
mailto:lesher.mon...@gmail.com>> wrote:
If anyone hears about a go fund me for his family, please share. I know there 
was one set up by Delano for his medical bills last month. If the family is 
setting up a new one I'd most certainly want to know.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020, 21:43 Edward Thompson 
mailto:ed313...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh damn!
RIP Mike...
Great bloke and always willing to give his time
Peace
Ed612313

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 11:16 AM Andrew Duke 
mailto:andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com>> wrote:
A man who taught so many has left this physical plane. RIP Huck

Re: Books on Detriot Techno

[Mario De Block]

hi Jurren

I should say I did not buy this Hanf book yet. Actually, I doubt on buying it, 
as the cover contains a stock photo, which suggests the book might be a desktop 
theoretical essay on Detroit music and background, without visiting town nor 
speaking to artists. The book is limited to some 124 pages too, which helps me 
supposing this. But I guess it should be dedicated enough to help introduce 
those non-familiar to town and music to orient themselves a bit with.
Thanks for that link. Here's another recent one:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/336871356_The_History_of_Detroit_Techno_and_its_growing_influence_on_American_and_European_culture_and_philosophy

Mario

Van: baars 
Verzonden: maandag 2 maart 2020 11:44
Aan: Mario De Block 
CC: Three-One-Three <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Books on Detriot Techno

interesting, had not heard about that one before. is it any good (i assume it 
is as you have recommended it  )

louis digital (arcola/footwork and half of unspecified enemies) did a 
publication on techno & architecture years ago which always sounded interesting 
but i never took the time to really look for it, but i see it is available 
online now: 
https://www.academia.edu/37221994/The_Sound_of_Detroit_Notes_Tones_and_Rhythms_from_Underground
 (it is also included in this book: https://www.theacousticcity.com and it even 
has a mix that accompanies the essay: 
https://soundcloud.com/unspecified-enemies/the-sound-of-detroit-base-camp-utopia-808

jurren
________
Mario De Block  wrote:

this one should be theme-specific, but harder to get and therefor more 
expensive: 
https://www.abebooks.com/9783639049145/Detroit-Techno-Transfer-Soul-Machine-3639049144/plp

M.

Re: Books on Detriot Techno

[Mario De Block]

this one should be theme-specific, but harder to get and therefor more 
expensive: 
https://www.abebooks.com/9783639049145/Detroit-Techno-Transfer-Soul-Machine-3639049144/plp

M.

Van: Ben Britz 
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 februari 2020 20:40
Aan: Shaun Fogarty 
CC: Mario De Block ; David Mansfield 
; Three-One-Three <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Books on Detriot Techno

Der klang... is really good. Definitely recommend. Even if its not so detroit 
focused

On Feb 28, 2020, at 2:32 PM, Shaun Fogarty  wrote:


Nice one, I will try to have a read.



On Fri, 28 Feb 2020, 19:02 Mario De Block, 
mailto:madb...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
hi

I read good things about 
https://www.abebooks.com/9783738604290/Klang-Familie-Felix-Denk-Sven-3738604294/plp.
 It concentrates on the Berlin scene, but does zoom in to the link with Detroit 
too, of course. I plan to buy it soon.

And there's a chapter from Laurent Garnier's book that's on Detroit, which you 
could read here:  
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jp4m78/read-the-detroit-techno-chapter-of-laurent-garniers-legendary-2003-book-electrochoc.

Ps: I just hope we can maintain a decent exchange on the board from now on. If 
no real explicit "moderator" ss is there (and apt appreciation to Kent for 
maintaining this board, still), we all should just moderate ourselves a little.
I found myself upset a bit too much as well maybe, by a few raw and offensive 
tones of late.

Mario


Van: David Mansfield mailto:dmansfiel...@gmail.com>>
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 februari 2020 19:34
Aan: 313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org> 
<313@hyperreal.org<mailto:313@hyperreal.org>>
Onderwerp: Books on Detriot Techno

Hello Everyone,

I have read Dan Sicko's Techno Rebels and enjoyed it.  I was wondering if 
anyone knows of any other informative books on Detroit techno I could check out.

Thanks!

Re: Books on Detriot Techno

[Mario De Block]

hi

I read good things about 
https://www.abebooks.com/9783738604290/Klang-Familie-Felix-Denk-Sven-3738604294/plp.
 It concentrates on the Berlin scene, but does zoom in to the link with Detroit 
too, of course. I plan to buy it soon.

And there's a chapter from Laurent Garnier's book that's on Detroit, which you 
could read here:  
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/jp4m78/read-the-detroit-techno-chapter-of-laurent-garniers-legendary-2003-book-electrochoc.

Ps: I just hope we can maintain a decent exchange on the board from now on. If 
no real explicit "moderator" ss is there (and apt appreciation to Kent for 
maintaining this board, still), we all should just moderate ourselves a little.
I found myself upset a bit too much as well maybe, by a few raw and offensive 
tones of late.

Mario


Van: David Mansfield 
Verzonden: vrijdag 28 februari 2020 19:34
Aan: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Books on Detriot Techno

Hello Everyone,

I have read Dan Sicko's Techno Rebels and enjoyed it.  I was wondering if 
anyone knows of any other informative books on Detroit techno I could check out.

Thanks!

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Mario De Block]

I can't see how anyone here would be ok with one member's explicit suggestion 
that simply subscribing to unwritten board rules (on hatefree speech, really) 
would link to being ok with rape culture. I can't see that. What else is there 
than some degree of malevolence, particularly far away from male violence in 
this case (which I detest, too).

313 Question: does anybody know about fine photography books on nowadays 
Detroit? I liked this one very much: http://www.marchandmeffre.com/detroit. But 
maybe there's more that isn't on sale via usual webshops.

I always felt some kind of link between the melancholy of a partially decaying 
city and some of the better, stringed Detroit techno. Though I hope there's 
enough initiatives still to revive the city center, of course.

Mario




Van: Andrew Green 
Verzonden: woensdag 26 februari 2020 21:14
Aan: Arturo Lopez 
CC: Three-One-Three <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

Been lurking here for a long time .. I read the emails when I’m travelling and 
need space.

I know Lerato and seeing her departure saddened me.

I’m not qualified to have an opinion on the Derrick / Michael thing. but 
it’s really bizarre and ironic that the Innovator could be catalysis for the 
313 list breaking up.  I hope not !




> On 26 Feb 2020, at 19:58, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
>
> 
> Yea I'm out, too.  Signal/Noise ratio has not been worth slugging through 
> dumpster fire threads for a while now.  Have fun, cheers, everybody.
> -Arturo
>
>

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Mario De Block]

I would also hope mutual respect to be preserved, instead of hostile egoism, 
leaking from one quite specific mind openly.

Hostile and belligerent tones create negative space, leading to members to hold 
back or withdraw from any contribution. This list should be about all we want 
to know and share on the D. Music and stuff related. But the D. The one and, 
can I say, single D, please. No ego should matter here.

Mario

Van: ja...@iridite.com 
Verzonden: woensdag 26 februari 2020 20:53
Aan: Fred Heutte 
CC: 313 list <313@hyperreal.org>; Lerato Khathi 

Onderwerp: Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

Amen to that Fred.

On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 19:28, Fred Heutte 
mailto:ph...@sunlightdata.com>> wrote:
I'm also basically a lurker these days but a list member since 1994.  Also
had the great fortune to meet Lakuti along with Earl Gateshead and the
Flying/Plastic People crew in London 20 years ago -- and saw her play
at the Detroit Artist Test Lab during the festival last year.  (damn, that was
a Throw Down!)  She has listings on RA (so many!).

https://www.residentadvisor.net/dj/lakuti/dates?yr=2020

She has been a friend to so many, built so much along the way, opened
doors and kept them open.  I hope my good friend decides to stay on
313, but either way I honor the decision.

So here is what I have to say: this raises core questions about the
ongoing purpose of this list.  If we can't respect each other, why
should any of us continue to subscribe?

The 313 list has been a valued and even inspirational resource for me
for a quarter century.  It has persisted long after most of the other mid-1990s
mailing lists have faded away.  It has enabled lifetime friendships.

Interaction online exposes different viewpoints and that's actually
beneficial -- as long as we truly demonstrate respect for each other.
Without that, there is no reason to continue.

peace

fh





-
>crikey . classic example of how not to built community .
>i am writing to you as a black african queer woman denise who has put a lot
>into supporting and nurturing a lot of djs and artists .
>and i continue to work hard to support communities within the global music
>network young and old often from marginalized communities who do not get a
>look in , in the current climate in electronic music but yeah carry on
>being tone deaf .
>my last word . thanks for everything to everyone else over the yrs .
>keep supporting music not egos .
>i am out of here .
>
>On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:52, Denise Dalphond 
>mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
>wrote:
>
>> Hey guys, I owe you nothing. You don’t have to like my communication. 
>> I’ll
>> take up as much space as I need. Most people expect women to be quiet. I’m
>> not. You can read my writing in some published books. It’s all on my
>> website, which is in my signature. Next up is an article on Detroit and
>> resistance in the first Oxford Handbook of Electronic Dance Music. It’s a
>> pretty big series.
>>
>> I’ve never unsubscribed. This is the 313 list, not the IDM list. It’s
>> pretty important. I used to never or rarely talk on this list. Now I speak
>> up more. It’s super patriarchal of everyone to gang up on the woman. Often,
>> I get private messages of support from subscribers when I speak up on this
>> list.
>>
>> I’ll email the 313 list any time I have something to contribute.
>>
>> Denise Dalphond
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:45 PM Joe Marougi 
>> mailto:jmaro...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very well said.  What’s worse is the lack of remorse. Just empty
>>> “admissions of guiltâ€
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:42 AM Lerato Khathi <
>>> booki...@uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com>
>>>  wrote:
>>>
 i do not know you denise but i have been subscribed to this group for a
 long time therefore i feel that i am a bit qualified to make a comment ..
 i am a lurker and posted sometimes but only occasionally yrs back .
 i do find though that your approach denise  can be very confrontational
 and can often take up a lot of space . it often feels like the list is
 dormant bar the denise show .
 i am personally not gaining a lot from the list  compared to former
 times and will need to unsubscribe shortly because i get no joy from these
 occasional outbursts .



 On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 18:20, Denise Dalphond 
 mailto:denisedalph...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

> Well, Kent, nobody knows who’s unsubbing except for you. So maybe it’s
> just your family.
>
> I wish I had money to go clubbing more often in Detroit. I wish I had a
> boyfriend to go clubbing with. But I’m pretty sure I never been wishin I
> was Black because then you have to suffer racism.
>
> I do love the internet though because I can follow Liquid Sky and other
> NYC 90s rave accounts on Instagram and see pics 

Re: carl craig present paperclip people

[Mario De Block]

You could still see the act here. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxEFlbnjgzQ=25s

It remains quite bizarre to me too. Irony is ok, but overdoing vox fx and other 
technical inadequacies just needlessly damages the music imo.

Mario

Van: kent williams 
Verzonden: maandag 13 januari 2020 17:58
Aan: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: carl craig present paperclip people

That video link is broken. Is it the one of him playing with a fake backup band 
of models meant to imitate the Robert Palmer "Addicted To Love" music video?

That was wack. Especially because instead of hiring models to unconvincingly 
fake playing, there are many real women who can actually play that would add 
something meaningful to his live set.

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 5:29 PM dubloop 
mailto:dubl...@oricom.ca>> wrote:

i dunno if this was posted here before, probably..

but this Carl Craig live PA is rather entertaining :

https://youtu.be/VZfb5DwnvBI

what do you think?

Re: carl craig present paperclip people

[Mario De Block]

I'd rather see him sync deeper in that live, not sink deeper. And see him think 
deeper on this too.

Still got fair sympathy for his music though.

Mario

Van: jeremy bispo 
Verzonden: zondag 12 januari 2020 0:31
Aan: dubloop 
CC: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Onderwerp: Re: carl craig present paperclip people

It was pretty frightening. i'd rather listen to this back '99 doing a
better version of Paperclip People.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHRKalQUz2g

Best,
Jeremy

On Sat, Jan 11, 2020 at 3:29 PM dubloop  wrote:
>
> i dunno if this was posted here before, probably..
>
> but this Carl Craig live PA is rather entertaining :
>
> https://youtu.be/VZfb5DwnvBI
>
> what do you think?

RE: (313) roll call?

[Mario De Block]

lurking from Antwerp - since about 10 years Mario
 Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 22:17:26 +0200
From: nam3l...@gmail.com
To: e...@blubuni.com
CC: ellei...@gmail.com; maxphi...@gmail.com; 313@hyperreal.org; 
mar...@nomorewords.net
Subject: Re: (313) roll call?

Still here. Lurking from the birthplace of philosophy.

- Dimitris 


On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 6:07 PM, Eric Lyons e...@blubuni.com wrote:

Lurking from Los Angeles!

Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 28, 2012, at 6:32 AM, Danielle Scott ellei...@gmail.com wrote:


Still lurkung here too!
On 2012-11-28 9:16 AM,  maxphi...@gmail.com wrote:


I'm still here - writing from a train on the way from Hamburg to Berlin.



Anyone else?



m50





At 2012.11.28 11:47, Marsel van der Wielen wrote:


how many subscribers are left anyway?



and will there be a 20 years anniversary party?





Op 28-11-2012 11:46, Philip McGarva schreef:


btw i haven't been lurking for like 5 years - i just resubbed. it's good to be 
back!








  

(313) any ID?

[mario de block]

hi all
could someone on the list eventually help me ID'ing this track snippet? It's 
old skool and must be close to anything of Chez Damier or C2 (in remix form), 
but that couldn't really help me out of the doubt. 
You all know how it feels when you miss out on a track reference when you need 
it ;)
 
http://www.zshare.net/audio/12314436808e7efb/ 

thank you
Mario

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