(313) 313-related night in london this week

[glyn]

hi all, 

just wanted to solicit london club night recommendations on behalf of
the significant other, who'll be in town for thursdays the 14th and
friday the 15th (but wishes it was a week or so longer after hearing
about the mills and hawtin gigs) and is looking for a decent
techno/electro/tech-y house event or two to check out.  if anybody has
any suggestions feel free to hit me back privately.

glyn

Re: (313) What are the essential Metro Area releases??

[glyn]

> 
> Also check Balihu if you're up for a Metro Area education.
> 
> I picked up Balihu 012 Daniel Wang - "Deutsch-Chinesische Hemmungslosigkeit
> EP" (12") at the weekend - found by chance in Spain! (I don't think it's
> that hard to find). 

probably not--  i think balihu re-pressed a whole bunch of their
back-catalog relatively recently.

glyn

Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield

[glyn]

"Grammenos, Peter" wrote:

> just tell me this then, why on earth would he call is superfreak? in my
> opinion it's because he's taken freak [ from '92 ] and applied new
> production techniques/equipment  to the original idea... give dan bell some
> credit, at a minimum the inspiration for the name/voice sample. i don't know
> of any tracks that use the same exact word/phrase on a track that sound as
> similar as these two do and also have similar titles.

maybe he's a big rick james fan?

all sarcastic exaggeration aside, i think it's fairly safe to say that the wink
track was influenced by the bell track, or is similar to the bell track, but i
just don't see the necessity for the level of vehemence that's been invoked in
condemning the former artist.  it's not as if it's an abominable tone-for-tone
trance cover released by a major label directly in violation of the original
artist's rights-- the two tracks are kind of similar but hardly identical, wink
is a credible artist (well, relative to sony), and does an (imho) pretty good
job of playing around with the sonic elements that he shares with bell while
simultaenously keeping his track different enough to allow it to stand on its
own merits.

anyways, that's enough yammering about this more-than-dead subject out of me.
so what does everybody think about the new moby album?   ;)

glyn


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Re: [313] bell vs wink / forcefield

[glyn]

"Grammenos, Peter" wrote:

> That is a blatant rip off, period! Tracks feel the same, sound the same, and
> probably use the use the same production techniques ! [ one can never be
> certain ]. How lame, especially for a producer like wink who has been in the
> business for this long. But then again, he isn't the first producer to do
> this...

you know, i didn't see the similarity between the other bell mp3 that was posted
a couple of weeks ago, but thought i would give him the benefit of the doubt
until i heard this current that was posted on forcefield.   having checked now
it out, i think it's fairly evident that the tracks have different drum sounds
and programming, different main monosynth lines, and really different-sounding
vocal samples/effects treatments of "freak" (in all honesty, i think wink does a
lot more with the latter than bell).  sure it sounds and feels "like" bell (and
also like robert hood-- especially the monosynth line), but a *lot* of techno
tracks sound and feel "like" other techno tracks.   if wink owes bell anything
over this then samuel l. sessions and every second hard techno producer after
about 1998 or so should be making monthly payments to jeff mills, the deepchord
guys should have already sold their firstborns to the hardwax crew, and every
halfwit who ever lays hand on a tb-303 with the intent of making squelchy noises
should write a cheque to dj pierre & spanky, etc. etc. etc.  the argument here
seems to me to stem more from a dislike for wink and his previous trashy rave
anthems more than it does from any real musical analysis.

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Re: [313] Drexciya and the DEMF

[glyn]

marsel wrote:

> who's james?

hetfield, of drexciyallica fame.

glyn


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Re: [313] - Forced Exposure...

[glyn]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, Mark S Flintoft wrote:

> Anyone have any experience dealing with these folks??
> 
> They have something I REALLY want but I don't wanna get jerked around...
> 
> Any feed back would be greatly appreciated:)
> 
> Thanks in advance...

a friend of mine seems to order from them on a relatively regular basis
without any problem.  i just placed an order last week, so i guess i'll
find out either way.  ;)

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Re: [313] Bliss

[glyn]

On Mon, 18 Mar 2002, Trevor Wilkes wrote:

> Does anyone remember a Dj who went by the name Bliss, a Canadian guy, put
> out a mix CD on Switch records...I think his name was Matthew Johnson. Would
> anyone have any clue as to where he is now...and more specifically a contact
> number/email

there's a victoria-based mathew johnson who is affiliated with
itiswhatitis recordings (he did their inaugural release) and is part of
the (great) cobblestone jazz outfit-- maybe that's the guy you're looking
for?

i think you can probably get contact info through www.itiswhatitis.com

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Re: [313] the kings of pitch slides

[glyn]

> At 28-2-2002 -0700 15:06, you wrote:
> >I've got a major soft spot for pitch slides.
> 
> in the neverending story of top fives..
> 
> 1. Eddie Fowlkes
> 2. Carl Craig
> 3. Lee Norris
> 4. ..

derrick may?  claude young on "impolite to refuse"?

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Re: [313] Mixing Styles

[glyn]

On Thu, 28 Feb 2002, Giles Dickerson wrote:

> Anytime one finds themselves boxed in by over analyzing technique criteria is 
> probably inhibiting their creative growth. Go with the flow, stick to 
> achieving a feel that you're looking for. Break the rules. Have fun. Most 
> importantly do something new, and find wonderful music to play in new and 
> creative ways.

you know, this is probably the most sensible thing that's been said in
this thread to date.

hooray for music!

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Re: [313] Fade In Techno (how deep do you want this rut?)

[glyn]

> i'm not a dj, but i think anyone who complains because a track fades in is
> an arrogant ass. what makes you think that producers should be concerned
> with your needs as a dj. if you don't like it, producer your own tracks.

one could make the argument that because they're selling records on 12"
they're largely catering to a dj market, and that by putting fade-ins in
their tracks they're making them less likely to be bought and played out--
something i can relate to to some degree, as i sometimes find myself
neglecting certain records in my crate when i'm playing because they're
trickier to work in.

arrogant-assedly yours,
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Re: [313] Fade in techn0

[glyn]

> This is somewhat discourteous on the artist's part, unless the only people
> you want as fans are people so die-hard that they'll take any shit you throw
> at them and suck it back grinning with glee.  My j'accuse is pointed
> straight at Mills' If.  

the funny thing about this record is that, if my memory serves me
correctly, the way the side with the three versions of "if" is pressed
makes the gaps between the tracks in sync with the tempo of the tracks.  i
serendipitously discovered this when i was doing a set for
targetcircuitry.com, when i dropped the first or second track, brought in
some other record, got distracted by something or other, then looked back
at the mills record to discover that i had managed to play through the
first track and into the next without noticing. 

> I mean, I don't need much, and this is really just
> nit-picking, but a quiet snare, hi-hat, or even a muted kick right at the
> very beginning (even a good 30 seconds before the rest of the track actually
> becomes audible) is a little thing that goes a long way when I have less
> than 45 seconds left to mix and I have several tracks to choose from.  Sure,
> it might sound like I'm creating a brand new "kunt-sept"-ual way of mixing
> or something.  Then again, it might sound like I'm a fool.  In a pinch, I'll
> pick a less discourteous track.  But that's just me.   :)

i just figured it was a subtle trick to make us all go out and buy
doubles ;P.  i wouldn't really object to the practice if it weren't for
the fact that those tracks are so damn short as well as having the
fade-ins (i won't even get started about that amazing 1:45 song on
drexciya's "neptune's lair").

generally speaking, we shouldn't complain too much about having to
beatmatch stuff that's computer controlled/arranged/synched-- as anybody
who's ever tried to mix old disco/funk records can attest.

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Re: [313] titonton dj-set online ++ amsterdam

[glyn]

rsel wrote:

> just added a mix set from the man duvante, titonton
> http://www.rushhour.nl/broad.html

anybody know if there are any more/better quality encoded sets of
titonton's floating around?  his sets always know my proverbial socks
off.

glyn


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Re: [313] chris gray / deep4life; brett dancer

[glyn]

>
> > listening to chris's emotional distortion LP this morning,
> > wondering what has he been up to, and deep4life, have there been any
> > exceptional releases i should look out for?

i'm a big fan of chris gray's "tried to be good" mini lp on deep4life--
it's on a less busy/noodle-y and more deep, moody tip than "emotional
distortion".  the long cut on the "trippy fingers" 12" he did for trackmode
is quite nice as well.

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Re: [313] Fw: Hall & Oates

[glyn]

> I've seen TP drop Hall & Oates a few times (to try and make this somewhat
> 313 topical). [hides head in shame] I was watching their VH1 Behing the
> Music the other day, which was heavilly focused on their breadth, rooted in
> 50s and 60s soul. As the show would have it, the pinnacle of their carreer
> was playing with the Temptations at the Apollo (???) in Harlem in '85 (???),
> after which they split up for a while - having fulfilled their greatest
> dreams [cue sappy music]. :)
> 
> At any rate, there have been a few apparently unauthorized Hall & Oates
> remixes over the years. I have one that samples "I can't go for that",
> taking mostly the bassline, and heavilly filtering the vocal. Disco Dubs
> Volume 1 was the name of the record, with a green label in a clear plastic
> sleeve. 
>
> Not the best track on the record IMO, but worth checking out if you
> can track down. I imagine it's hard to find these days. Frankly, I think
> their tracks are pretty mixable as is. If you can find any of TPs mixes with
> Hall & Oates - that would definitely be the best example IMO. Then again, in
> TPs hands almost anything can become 313 topical. Rod Stewart anyone? :)

wasn't there that "we are love" house track from 4 years or so ago that
sampled them as well?

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Re: [313] Track ID

[glyn]

on the topic of i-f id's:  can anybody spot that track that comes in around
38:00 or so in that same mix?   totally bitchin'.

glyn




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Re: [313] micro house

[glyn]

Gwendal Cobert wrote:

> > I thought it was a trio...Loderbauer, Thiel and Fehlmann.
> >  jeff
> funny, I think I remember a record cover with just two faces ? not sure...
> anyway, it's fun to learn that these guys from the early days of European
> techno are still around doing some micro house stuff...

fehlmann did a pretty nice ambientish remake of one of anthony rother's tracks
quite recently, on the psi performer remix 12".

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Re: [313] micro house

[glyn]

Gwendal Cobert wrote:

> > I thought it was a trio...Loderbauer, Thiel and Fehlmann.
> >  jeff
> funny, I think I remember a record cover with just two faces ? not sure...
> anyway, it's fun to learn that these guys from the early days of European
> techno are still around doing some micro house stuff...

fehlmann did a pretty nice ambientish remake of one of anthony rother's tracks
quite recently, on the psi performer remix 12".

glyn


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Re: [313] DE9 closer id

[glyn]

Scotto wrote:

> there is a track that comes in at 38:20 and one that comes in at 50:00 that
> says discount dave or discount babe please id these

sounds suspiciously like bodo eisel's (sp?) "discount baby" on playhouse.

glyn


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[313] kraftwerk question

[glyn]

hey all,

just wondering whether kraftwerk's "computer word" and "electric cafe"
have been recently repressed and/or are easy to get.  i've found most of
their other stuff relatively easily, but haven't seen these around for
some reason.

glyn


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Re: [313] last chance track ID

[glyn]

Peter Leidy wrote:

> > Don't know who's the re-maker/re-mixer, but it's based on Munich Machine's
> > "Get On The Funk Train" (Moroder track).

is the original worth tracking down?

glyn


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Re: [313] test. please ignore

[glyn]

Sean Deason wrote:

> shit shit shit!
> fuck fuck fuck!
> bitch slut bitch! wow! we *can* curse on 313 now!

would the real dj assault please stand up?

glyn

Re: [313] All Your Base Are Belong To Us (?)

[glyn]

Mike Taylor wrote:

> it sounds "leik" Jeffk has joined the 313 list.

anybody else think that if jeffk was a techno producer, he'd be oliver
chestler/the horrorist?

"we were ona mishun ... FRO ECSXSTACSCY !!!111"

glyn

Re: [313] Gene Farris Song ID

[glyn]

Joel Fernandez wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I'm sure all of you have heard Miss Janet's latest hit song "All For You".  
> Apparently Gene Farris used that same sample about five years ago for one of 
> his songs.  Can anyone tell me the name of that song and what EP or LP it 
> came from?

i was wondering about that too. i've had a huge affinity for that same 
piano/bass loop after hearing it in digital boogie's "afterglow" (on funknose 
001 i believe, from 3 or so years back), and was curious about its origins.

glyn

Re: [313] Adam Beyer (RE: [313] numerous threads at once (swedes, t-1000, top 10, st germain))

[glyn]

Gwendal Cobert wrote:

> talking about surprising stuff from Beyer... that's how I would qualify his
> excellent Protechtion album, for example, some of the tracks there are much
> more complex than what he is best known for !

also, code red 9 and at least one of the earlier drumcode singles are both
quite melodic, string-filled, and-- dare i say--detroit-sounding.

glyn

Re: [313] john cage vs. modern electronic music

[glyn]

you might want to check out the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailinglist and/or the
lowercase sound mailinglist (hosted by either hyperreal or yahoogroups, i
think).   i know the microsound list tends to discuss this area of music
relatively frequently.

glyn

Re: [313] jazzanova - kings of west london sound?

[glyn]

> > not wanting to start some contoversy herebut
> > IMHO meat beat manifesto
> > kikked dnb off...radio babylon saw them merging big
> > fat dub basslines and
> > speeded up breaks...they were ripped off by the
> > hardcore breakbeat crowd and
> > that developed into dnb

i remember reading somewhere that ltj bukem et al. were inspired by "bug
in the bassbin", played on 45.  anybody who heard bukem's set on radio
one last year could probably attest to his interest in all things 313,
although i know he's made various disparaging remarks about detroit's
recent output (which seems surprising, given the fact that he dropped
octave one's "art and soul" ep ...)

glyn

Re: [313] tune id

[glyn]

alex wrote:

> its on a mark farina mix i have
>
> has moody strings and a male vocal
> 'i dreamed of you'
> 'i dreamed of you'
> 'i dreamed of you'

kevin yost "i dream of you" (i think), on i! records (sleep dep make brain
maybe work not properly)

glyn

Re: [313] Pandamonium Discography?

[glyn]

ani wrote:

> sorry, i'm useless on this one.  although we did get a very tasty promo from
> the pandamonium people (cover your ears everyone, this may be--spam!!):
>
> norma jean bell - come into my room kdj remixes

anybody know if this has anything to do with the sandy rivera/kings of tomorrow
track of the same name on distance?

glyn

Re: [313] eddie fowlkes + track id

[glyn]

Kevin Lewandowski wrote:

> That track was a bootleg about a year ago but I think it was officially

> released on Paper.

i think you're thinking different gear vs. the police "when the world is running
down" (pagan #39)

glyn

Re: [313] sharivari

[glyn]

Daniel E wrote:

> is sharivari available on vinyl ? I saw it on the Juan Atkins MM vinyl ed.
> but it was mixed ...
> where do I begin?

the other vinyl release of that mix has a bunch of the individual tracks on 3
records, including sharivari.  i forget the label that put it out, but it's
the same thing minus juan's (allegedly) abominable mixing.

glyn

Re: [313] Detour/mixes?

[glyn]

dj revolver wrote:

> excuse the non 313 related question but i don't know of a booty mailing
> list:
> does anyone have any disco d mixes to trade or to sell?  feel free to email
> me privately.  also, does anyone have any suggestions on any other ghetto
> tech or booty mixes?  i just enjoy those crazy, funky tracks.
> thanks.

there is (or was) a disco d mix up on http://www.gtirecordings.com

glyn

Re: [313] Ring ring ring ha ha hey!

[glyn]

"Jongsma, K.J." wrote:

> I called you - lil louis
> Calling you/bagdad Cafe - Abacus
> Telephone Call - Kraftwerk

how about dopplereffekt's "cellularphone"?

(sorry, couldn't help myself)
glyn

Re: [313] Blue Monday

[glyn]

> On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Gary Girard wrote:
> 
> > How easy / difficult is it to get hold of this track then?? 
> > I would love to own it, it's an absolute classic!
> 
> there was hardfloor remixes of this around 96/97, with original mix
> included. i just can't remember the label.  

not hard (at least here.)  i've seen several copies of the original album
floating around.

and i hate to say it, but i have a soft spot for the hardfloor remix...

glyn

Re: [313] Schatrax, Perlon, UR - questions, tips, review

[glyn]

Todd Smith wrote:

> Perlon 9 as well has a nice remix done by one half of Maus & Stolle "The 
> Spirit
> (innervision mix)" which any half hearted deep house DJ should have in their 
> crate
> at all times.

it also has that keith dennis co-produced track with the monologue about the 
weather
in seattle, which will likely strike a chord if you've ever spent much time in 
the
pacific north-wet. :)

glyn

Re: [313] RE: Tone shifting, phantom sound, etc...

[glyn]

> Also, out of repetition the mind has a need to create variance. John Lilly
> performed an experiment with a tape loop of the word "cogitate" being played
> to a room full of psychologists for about 15 minutes.  They were instructed to
> record
> the various word changes every time the tape changed. None of them knew that
> the tape was a static loop.  About 90 percent of the group came back with a
> list of at least ten changes. This was an official psychological experiment
> using other psychologists as the lab rats.

this kind of finding seems consistent with various other sensory deprivation
experiment results and parallels a lot of the visual illusion research, which
suggests that toneshifting is most likely tied in with perceptual processing.
vision tends to get a lot more attention in this kind of area, but i'm sure
there's a substantive body of academic writing out there on this sort of thing
if you really feel like digging for it.

personally, i don't see how styles of music that generate these kind of auditory
effects hold any more artistic merit than others, but that's just me.

>Quick comment on the DE9 reference. I agree completely that Rich's use of
> the effects on the tracks brings to light through expression a kind of
> transitional state between two things (w/ reference to the use of delay).
> This transitional state is quite possibly the result of years of listening
> to mixes. Mixes falling off, exposing the difference between the two
> records, and then realigning. But the over use of this effect CAN become
> overly manifest, overly static, and a little boring. No diss to Rich. Trust
> me, he's one of my utmost favorite DJs of all time.  But I remember hearing
> him a couple of times when the delays seemed to be used so often, and at
> such an obvious transitional point in the break down and mixing in of the
> next record that it gave me a not so faint reminder of a time where parties
> were a night of snare roll cresendo after snare roll cresendo, this being
> the primary exciting agent of the peaks in tracks. You know how boring this
> got. Build up, build up, build up, then nothingor a raised cut-off or
> resonance. Of course those with skill, such as Rich, know that a build up is
> nothing if there's nothing to build up to! Anyways, just my two cents! Have
> fun with it. -

i think this is characteristic of richie's recent djing, though. his mixmag cd
from 1995 is very narrative and contains a lot more textural variety than the
mills/user tracks he canes for the first 2/3rds of DE9 (although the latter mix
has been growing on me recently.)

glyn

Re: [313] Dave

[glyn]

Dave Clark wrote:

> Sounds like it could be Dave Krasserman. Dave has had a few releases,
> some of which are on Raum music from Germany. Very lush deep house /
> techhouse. The Raum record I have (Sightseeing I think it's called) has
> DAVE written in big letters so I think that's where the tape is coming
> from.
>
> I know lots of other 313ers will have Dave Krasserman records - anyone?

i have some of his Raum stuff. he's also put out records on Advance, i
think.

glyn

Re: [313] vangelis [was Peter Gabriel 313/soundtracks]

[glyn]

William VanLoo wrote:

> > i always play vangelis' charoits of fire and blade runner soundtracks
> > when i do ambient sets...boderline off topic?

i've always wanted to use that really eerie first minute or so of the title
track from chariots of fire to start a hard techno tape.

glyn

Re: [313] FUSE vs LFO

[glyn]

101 101 wrote:

> There's an mtv group called lfo. Isn't that grounds
> for lawsuit for the original group?

mark bell and gez varley had a bunch of hits...

glyn

[[313] Jazzy Detroit Techno weather report]]]

[glyn]

not strictly 313, but check dan curtin, morgan geist, and titonton duvante's 
stuff.  all jazzy,
all pretty nicely detroit-influenced.  ian o'brien and russ gabriel are also 
somewhat up this
alley as well, although i'm less familiar with their output.  nubian mindz and 
some of the other
stuff on archive is pretty jazzy too, although again i'm less well acquainted 
with it.

glyn

Re: [313] well

[glyn]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> hey now!
>
> we all know prog rock was the true root of detroit techno!

yeah!  "strings of life" was just a big king crimson rip-off, man!

glyn

Re: [313] boards of canada +

[glyn]

Joseph Bonn wrote:

> Acts like Kid 606 cost about 1/4 the amount of any of
> the warp/rephlex artists you mention here.  I'm sure
> many folks would be interested in seeing a show such
> as the one you propose, but it would require major
> promotion, needless to say.

a couple of acquaintances of mine were trying to book BoC for a christmas 
event, but
apparently they're somewhat reticent about doing live shows because of the 
hassle of
dismantling their studio

glyn

Re: [313] err...

[glyn]

Jonny McIntosh wrote:

> I reckon your wrong, too. And the above, I think, is the problem. The "is"
> is just what you get given to you, e.g. Beethoven's 9th is, even in essence,
> Beethoven's entire 9th. What you try and do is distill it into something
> "purer" and more "minimal". The terminology is misleading you here, though.
> You are just doing something different. No more and no less. That needn't
> invalidate anything like the politics or philosophy surrounding the work in
> question, though. So you're tone shifting isn't wrong, but it certainly
> isn't the essence either. It's just an approach. It's like someone doing an
> analysis of Hamlet, say. If the essence of Hamlet were, for example, the
> philosophy of self it represents to some, then it would be better expressed
> as an essay on the philosophy of self. Obviously, it wouldn't really,
> though: the essence of Hamlet is Hamlet. It is what it is.

i'm with the non-reductionists on this one.  you can't just compress an artistic
piece into its constituent elements and legitimately claim that it represents
the essentialist nature of the original, because trying to "accurately" define
the fundamental components is ultimately a matter of interpretation.

glyn

Re: [313] Hawtin track ID...

[glyn]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2000, darw_n wrote:

> I have a bunch of Hawtin's sets, and in a few of them, he uses this
> interview, a girl asking a guy about what seems to be some notion of time
> and technology.  I am *very* interested in this being that a few of my
> theories revolve around this...

that sounds suspiciously like the first release off of mills' tomorrow
label. see http://www.axisrecords.com for details.

glyn

Re: [313] Thomas Brinkman

[glyn]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> studio 1 which richie hawtin did?   c`on  man ... studio 1 is mike ink.
> 
> richie did the concept series which were also remixed by brinkmann on his 
> max.ernst&friends imprint, which also features remixes of philus (mika vaino) 
> kolmio ep (saekhoe 014) as far as i remember, but richie being behind studio 
> 1?
> 
> NO WAY!  

actually, i heard that the studio 1 records were made by drexciya and the
martian!

glyn

Re: [313] rolando too good for the us?

[glyn]

> just wanted to make a small comment regarding UR and rolando,
> i have been in touch with a few people who have contact with 
> his agent, and it has been made clear to me that he is currently
> not doing many (if any) us bookings, just doing stuff over in the
> uk. Is it me or are some detroit artists too good for the west
> coast or something? Is it because they can be grossly overpaid
> in the uk? Does this mean they are all about money and fame, not 
> spreading the music? Many promoters over here westside are trying
> to build a following for the detroit sound, and it sure makes 
> it hard when you hear that some of these superstar acts and
> djs are too good for us. comments, flames?

FWIW he played a post-secondary education benefit-type thing over here
last spring, alongside mike grant.

glyn

Re: SV: SV: [313] Bluetrain Records....

[glyn]

> 
> The 10" is by Steve O'Sullivan and has nothing to do with Dean Decosta.
> And Steve is making a full Bluetrain album too.
> The newest mosaic is quite good too, a bit faster and harder than usual,
> with John Beer and Chris McCormack featured on it...

i talked briefly with dean last time he was up here, and he said
he had a 10" coming out on mosaic "this month", although i guess maybe it
got delayed?

glyn

Re: [313] R: [313] women and electronic music

[glyn]

On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> For alot of women, techno is just "bang bang bang" repeatedly.  With house 
> its slower and they can actually groove their "thang" to it.  House or 
> (Trance) do have a softer, happier edge which doesn't feel threatening.  Not 
> me though, "bang bang bang" is the way to go!  I love techno!  Whoohoo!

i dunno, my "girlfriend" loves hard techno, but can't stand "that deep
house crap that you listen to."

glyn

RE: [313] hard house?

[glyn]

On Wed, 4 Oct 2000, Hugh G. Blaze wrote:

> Wow where have I been? I'm such an ignorant yankee.

not to vancouver, apparently.  we're supposedly the UK hard-house/Nu-NRG
capital of north america-- not that that's really anything to be bragging
about...

*shudder*

glyn

RE: [313] hard house?

[glyn]

> I can't define what is and what isn't hard house, since it's an ambiguous
> term, but I do believe that a lot of these trance guys are coming to their
> senses a bit and getting tired of all the formulaic trance that has flooded
> the market for the past 2-3 years.  I think a lot of them are turning to
> what's being called "hard house" because it doesn't have as much of the
> clich?d (aka cheese) stuff that makes so many people dis trance.  In other
> words, it's a safer sound, a sort of compromise between trance and
> Relief-style hard house.

from what i understand, UK hard house is a completely different entity
from US hard house.  UK hard house is basically harder progressive house,
whereas US hardhouse is bad boy bill, richard "humpty" vission, dj
bam-bam, dj irene, some dj funk, etc.

glyn

Re: [313] Re: DJ sillyness

[glyn]

> Could it be some sort of sperstar djs trend?
> it seems lika an urban legendlike albino alligators in the sewers LOL

i've seen algorithm do the same thing, i.e. chuck the played records into
a pile on a third (non-functional) deck when he was done with them.

glyn 

Re: [313] who stole the soul?

[glyn]

> I don't like this. I'm a whitey. Half of my family is
> black but I'm 100% white and my parents are too. My
> mum used to listen to lots of black music and my dad
> used to be the only white guy who could get into black
> clubs when he was a youngster cuz he could kick all
> their asses (Wing something waddada whateva Kung Fu
> thing), so he got on with them. I was brought up in a
> multicultural community and I don't see why the colour
> of your skin should make any kinda difference. There's
> money grabbing blacks and whites and yellows and
> f**kin' martians. Greed and hate and selfishness
> crosses the race barrier.
> 
> Kraftwerk are honkys. So what if D-town is full of
> blacks, so what? That's positive discrimination,
> dissing white culture... 
> 
> I don't like what you've said at all and I'd just shut
> your mouth before you start a flame war. Race
> shouldn't come into the techno equation, alright? 

your personal experiences notwithstanding, i think the point that's being
made is that different genres of music appeal/are marketed to different
ethnic groups (e.g. "urban" hip-hop/r&b vs. "alternative" rock).  the
idea is that techno has difficulty gathering a large listening audience
because it defies strict boundaries and racial identities (i.e. it
contains both "black" and "white" elements.)

glyn
(who really should stop procrastinating now...)

Re: [313] who stole the soul?

[glyn]

> One of the reasons why I am so into the music here though is its great
> diversity.  Just look at labels like Transmat, Planet E, Underground
> Resistance, Axis, Pure Sonik, Minus, Red Planet, Direct Beat, 430 West,
> Purpose Maker etc.  There are a good 4 or 5 differnt styles of Electronic
> Music right there, but due to the fact that they are all made in Detroit,
> we just call them all "techno."  Our music is always evolving and
> constantly changing yet still keeping that soul, that funk that this town
> was built on.  

that's an interesting point.  a friend of mine is trying to compile a
definitive list of all electronic music subgenres, and asked me a bunch of
questions about techno, like whether such-and-such is a real subgenre, or
which artist would be most representative of that category.  i found it
really hard to give definitive answers on what "detroit techno" is, or who
would be an essential "minimal techno" artist.  it's encouraging that the
music is diverse enough that it can't easily be boxed into discrete
categories ("i play UK acid-tech-trance, which is infinitely superior to
you UK acid-NU-NRG.")

glyn

Re: [313] who stole the soul?

[glyn]

> I find this philosophy that "every generation has it's idols" disturbing. 
> People are not computers where you download a certain operation system every 
> other year (=musical "trends"), and once you've passed your youth you're 
> stuck with the music you listened to. Of course not. Music is culture, and 
> culture has the ability to survive thousands of years, there's no sell-by 
> date in it, it doesn't lose it's energy like a battery.

yeah, but the majority of peoples' listening habits tend to adhere to this
model.  i don't see many people my parents' age down at the local records
store.

glyn

RE: [313] disco/rare groove/pre-house list?

[glyn]

> well first of all you need to tell me which record store you bought from and 
> give me some contact details!  :)

it's Carson's Books in Vancouver-- they largely sell used rock and jazz
records, but have a soul/funk section, with a bunch of disco records
sitting in a couple of crates underneath the main bin.  i'm not sure how
good most of them are, i just recognized the Salsoul
label.   unfortunately i don't have the contact info on me.

other places to check in Vancouver would be Vinyl (which has a wide
variety of used vinyl from rare groove-type stuff to newer used
house/techno/etc.), and another store run by local dj Avi Shack that
pretty much specializes in older stuff-- i think it's called Beat
Street.


> try the acid jazz list at [EMAIL PROTECTED], I know acid jazz and disco/club 
> dont seem that related but we do talk about it from time to time..
> 
> either way you should still set your favorite search engine (yahoo prefer.) 
> to 
> trawl for the word "metagrooves" - metagrooves is a site (and a yahoo 
> community) based on exactely what your looking for.  It's run by Jan 
> 'Jahsonic' and is very well put together! I'd send the URL but im at work and 
> dont know it off the top of my head.. You can join the community thru the 
> website anyway.

cool, thanks :)

glyn

[313] disco/rare groove/pre-house list?

[glyn]

i just recently rediscovered a favorite local record store that seems to
have a whole whack of various disco records and, after picking up a
gorgeous salsoul track, some giorgio moroder, etc., was wondering if
there's a list dedicated to this sort of proto-house/techno stuff, as well
as '70s soul & funk, very early chicago house, etc. 

i know there's a whole bunch of people on here who are fairly
knowledgeable on the subject... ;)

glyn

Re: (tech-house) maurizio-(tv victor)?

[glyn]

also on the almost-basic channel tip, has anybody heard the pre-fade
listening album with the tikiman single?

glyn

Re: [313] UR in Europe

[glyn]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, xx xx wrote:

> And then ? Is it because a hardcore Dj plays UR tracks that UR make Hardcore 
> ?
> Han ...!!!
> Anyway, speaking of Hardcore in term of Extreme ok, whatever is the subject, 
> fashion victims and people who are unable to qualify something use to say 
> "hardcore" could be art, films,etc...music,we have seen that in Hip Hop, 
> rap, house, rock, techno, jungle...
> But speaking of Hardcore music, there is a consensus, which is 200 bpm for a 
> hardcore track.
> I'm still seeking when UR make tracks at 200 BPM..with trashy, noisy, 
> nasty sounds.

oldschool rave hardcore was much closer to current techno bpms than the
current deathmetal-created-with-a-909 stuff.  i can definitely see the
connection in some of the older UR stuff, like the previously mentioned
Riot EP (is that Mad Mike doing the hip-house-sounding rap on "Panic"?)

glyn

Re: [313] what is techno

[glyn]

> yes but the truth of the matter is that if NOONE can give an exact
> definition of techno then how can techno be an exact form of music??

techno is an uncontrollable urge to jack your bo... oh wait

glyn

Re: [313] basic channel

[glyn]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> 
> i've a couple of basic channel records on coloured vinyl - what's
> the story with that - did they all have initial pressings on coloured vinyl ?

they're worthless.  i suggest giving them all to me, ASAP.  ;)

glyn

Re: (313) Something way OT: Audiomulch

[glyn]

_Caltrop _ wrote:

> Has anybody used Audiomulch, yet?
> It seems to be a pretty frrreshhh program for making PC-based music
> [besides Fast Tracker II :) ].
> check www.audiomulch.com

audiomulch is great-- i just love that granular delay.  now if only i could
get around to registering the thing...

glyn

Re: (313) artifacts

[glyn]

renegade_rhythms wrote:

> It appears that Afrika is not part of the CD

oops, my bad.

glyn

Re: (313) artifacts

[glyn]

Martin clark wrote:

> can some one give me the track listing for plastikman's artifacts
> lp please
>
> is 'Afrika' on it?

afrika isn't on the 2x12 that i have-- there's a separate single with it
and hypokondriak.  i'm sure it's on the cd though.

glyn

Re: (313) basic channel on planet E

[glyn]

anybody know if the quadrant release on PE is still available?  it's
listed in the submerge catalog but i haven't actually tried ordering it.

glyn

Re: (313) get it in NYC

[glyn]

> > Does anybody else have the adoration that I do for the stuff that's been
> > available on the Kompakt/Kreisel labels?  This stuff is so good that I might
> > just have to leave Detroit permanently and hole up in Cologne.  Ok I didn't
> > mean that seriously, but these days it wouldn't be a bad move...
> >
> > Here's what I bought yesterday..



holy hell!

> > Of particular attention is the last few in the Kreisel series, along with 
> > KOM
> > 11 by "Dubstar".  Jeez this record makes me want to take up writing reviews 
> > as
> > a full-time hobby.  This stuff is so good I want everybody to hear it.  
> > Well it

that settles it, i'm ordering that dubstar record pronto! :) btw anybody
know if there's any relation between the kompakt dubstar and the massive
attack-soundalike from the UK with the same name that released an album a
few years back?  ;)

glyn

(313) blechtum from blechdom

[glyn]

(i'm pretty sure i butchered the name, but...) what's this kit
clayton-related project like? i saw a release in a local store, but
unfortunately can't listen to it before buying.

glyn

Re: (313) tribal techno

[glyn]

> Are there only 2, or is there a third?  And what's the deal with the weird
> radio stuff at the ends of those records?

those are great!  i love that little skit on the end of grain 2 with
Ralphy the keyboard-playing dog.

glyn

Re: (313) Re: 313-Digest V1 #1310

[glyn]

> >I don't know if I caught the start of his set or not, as he was already on 
> >when I got into the main room at maybe just before 1am. He was playing an 
> >amazing CR sounding track that's on the Richie Hawtin Mary Anne Hobbs mix - 
> >crunchy as hell (I'd kill for a track ID).

mary anne hobbs mix?  

glyn

Re: (313) Re: losoul

[glyn]

On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Lance @ Inaudible wrote:

> Lo Soul is the minimal tech/house guise of Pete Kremeier. Lo
> Soul has around 15 records, remixes & comp appearances out 
> so far on labels like Playhouse, Elevate, EC, Placid Flavour, 
> Piranham and Eye-Q. Kremeier who also records housier 
> material as Don Disco and has a handful of releases under that 
> guise as well.

aha!  so losoul = don disco = projam (he released a great record under
that name on crucial that recently got repressed)

my suspicions have been confirmed!  ;)

glyn

Re: (313) Isolee

[glyn]

Myke Mitchell wrote:

> Hey all, just need some help id'ing an LP.  Beau Mot Plage by Isolee was
> oringally released on Isolee's LP 'I Owe You' on Playhouse right??  Thanks
> in advance..

"i owe you" is their most recent single on playhouse.   the original version
of "beau mot plage" came out on an EP of the same name (i think) on playhouse
in 1998.
as far as i know they haven't released any LPs, although i thinkthere is one
tentatively slated for release this year.

glyn

Re: (313) Mainstreet Compilation

[glyn]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Wibo Lammerts wrote:

> It's good to finally have some of this music on CD: the sound quality is 
> amazing. I didn't know BC06 dub II was actually Round One; when you listen 
> closely you can hear some vocals along the way. 

amen to that-- i'm pretty happy about not having to wear out my vinyl
copies while listening to this stuff around the houseanymore

> Did this CD come out in a metal box as well?

AFAIK it didn't.  aren't those boxes awful for the CDs, though?

anybody else check out those planet e classics repressings? it was nice to
get ahold of a fresh new copy of "throw" (complete with the basic channel
reshape on the flip!)

glyn

Re: (313) kraftwerk

[glyn]

Cyclone Wehner wrote:

> I know of two new mixes of Tour De France in circulation on vinyl: the Kling
> Klang Analog Mix and Francois K Remix.
>
> I should think that the latter is not responsible for no trance, though. Mr
> K is a man of tstae.

the francois k mix sticks pretty close to the original, minus a few vocals.

glyn

Re: (313) bluetrain

[glyn]

didn't steve o'sullivan recently release a 2x12?   if so, does anybody know
the name/label?   i really liked bluetrain 6, as well as his recent release
on ongaku.

glyn