RE: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD/Metal CD Cases
Messrs. Von Oswald and Ernestus spoke about the cases many years ago - can't remember where but they said something like that it wasn't deliberate, emphasising that they had no intention of causing people who buy their music to lose what they'd bought. I got the impression that the metal cases seemed to be a good idea at the time to them and the unfortunate consequences were unforeseen. Nothing deliberate and not a cruelly indirect way to press home [pun unintended] their invocation to 'buy vinyl'. [I always find the phrase quite funny and I think it's partly meant to be!] I went through 3 BC compilations, 2 Maurizio ones and 2 CR 'various artists' ones before I learned my lesson: keep the cases in the display cabinet, keep the CDs in a CD book or something. -Original Message- From: Jernej Marusic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Org Subject: Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD I've modified my metal boxes (after my M CD cracked in half) by sticking the plastic from a normal jewlcase inside. After my M CD cracked, I wrote an email to Hardwax, that they should do something about the desing, and they sent me a new copy for free :) Jernej www.octex.si theREALmxyzptlk wrote: That could well be the case, but I burned cdrs from my copies right after I got them and played those, especially when traveling. When I heard people had cracked discs, I checked my own and three of them were cracked. None of them were even opened more than a few times. Chain Reaction figured it out and moved to the uglier 'soft covers' eventually. And I can't find a few of the CDs I have sitting in stacks of slimlines. The notion of a CD banging around on bare metal as packaging always seemed just this side of the legendary Durutti Column LP that used sandpaper for the jacket. Interesting aesthetically, but a tad shy on the function meter (unless you hate Vini Reilly) jeff Not that it's either here nor there, but I don't think that at normal temps, the difference between the expansion rate of stamp metal and whatever plastic they make CDs from differs that much. I think it's as much the fact that a plastic CD case's spindle-holder is made of plastic that bows in when you push on the CD, then pops back out so that a little lip on each tine of the spindle-thingie keeps the CD in place. There is little or no outward force on the hole in the CD.
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
I've modified my metal boxes (after my M CD cracked in half) by sticking the plastic from a normal jewlcase inside. After my M CD cracked, I wrote an email to Hardwax, that they should do something about the desing, and they sent me a new copy for free :) Jernej www.octex.si theREALmxyzptlk wrote: That could well be the case, but I burned cdrs from my copies right after I got them and played those, especially when traveling. When I heard people had cracked discs, I checked my own and three of them were cracked. None of them were even opened more than a few times. Chain Reaction figured it out and moved to the uglier 'soft covers' eventually. And I can't find a few of the CDs I have sitting in stacks of slimlines. The notion of a CD banging around on bare metal as packaging always seemed just this side of the legendary Durutti Column LP that used sandpaper for the jacket. Interesting aesthetically, but a tad shy on the function meter (unless you hate Vini Reilly) jeff Not that it's either here nor there, but I don't think that at normal temps, the difference between the expansion rate of stamp metal and whatever plastic they make CDs from differs that much. I think it's as much the fact that a plastic CD case's spindle-holder is made of plastic that bows in when you push on the CD, then pops back out so that a little lip on each tine of the spindle-thingie keeps the CD in place. There is little or no outward force on the hole in the CD.
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD Octex vid
By the way Jernej, I finally downloaded and watched your Emergon video/track - very nice stuff indeed. For those who haven't seen it, check the avi here: http://www.octex.si/video.html jeff
RE: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
wow... Talk about a coincidence... I JUST reloaded this CD into my MP3 player after having gone at least 4 years without listening to it. -Original Message- From: kent williams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 8:35 AM To: list 313 Subject: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD I just pulled the metal can down off my shelf to rip it, and my copy has a nasty circular scratch in it, and the fricken CD is actually cracked from the center outwards about an inch. Maybe I should send the CD and the frickin metal can case back to Hardwax and ask for another. On the other hand, the silver paint is coming off my Porter Ricks can and it's starting to rust. I was going to ask if anyone had mp3s but miraculously it seems to be ripping OK If you haven't destroyed your Chain Reactions CDs yet -- take them out of the cans and put them in a less brutal sleeve! -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1386 - Release Date: 4/18/2008 5:24 PM
(313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
I just pulled the metal can down off my shelf to rip it, and my copy has a nasty circular scratch in it, and the fricken CD is actually cracked from the center outwards about an inch. Maybe I should send the CD and the frickin metal can case back to Hardwax and ask for another. On the other hand, the silver paint is coming off my Porter Ricks can and it's starting to rust. I was going to ask if anyone had mp3s but miraculously it seems to be ripping OK If you haven't destroyed your Chain Reactions CDs yet -- take them out of the cans and put them in a less brutal sleeve!
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
Indeed. I remember when the fracas over those splits first started - mine are still in slimlines. Most of the old tin-box CD packages run the same risk of splitting from the inside out. jeff -- Original message -- From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just pulled the metal can down off my shelf to rip it, and my copy has a nasty circular scratch in it, and the fricken CD is actually cracked from the center outwards about an inch. Maybe I should send the CD and the frickin metal can case back to Hardwax and ask for another. On the other hand, the silver paint is coming off my Porter Ricks can and it's starting to rust. I was going to ask if anyone had mp3s but miraculously it seems to be ripping OK If you haven't destroyed your Chain Reactions CDs yet -- take them out of the cans and put them in a less brutal sleeve!
RE: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
Yeah, I wrecked my M series one like that. After that I put them all in normal CD cases in my rack and put the metal cases on display :-) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2008 16:41 Indeed. I remember when the fracas over those splits first started - mine are still in slimlines. Most of the old tin-box CD packages run the same risk of splitting from the inside out. From: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just pulled the metal can down off my shelf to rip it, and my copy has a nasty circular scratch in it, and the fricken CD is actually cracked from the center outwards about an inch. Maybe I should send the CD and the frickin metal can case back to Hardwax and ask for another. On the other hand, the silver paint is coming off my Porter Ricks can and it's starting to rust. I was going to ask if anyone had mp3s but miraculously it seems to be ripping OK If you haven't destroyed your Chain Reactions CDs yet -- take them out of the cans and put them in a less brutal sleeve!
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD Indeed. I remember when the fracas over those splits first started - mine are still in slimlines. Most of the old tin-box CD packages run the same risk of splitting from the inside out. Yeah, my Various Artists will only play the later half of the disk and the Vainquer is nearly unplayable. I had some luck bending it back in place and making it totally flat, then ripping it, but some tracks were completely hosed. CLASS ACTION SUIT! ;) Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
RE: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
Wasn't this done deliberately by the CR/BC team? Some kind of brutal point-making about the superiority of vinyl? Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2008 16:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD Indeed. I remember when the fracas over those splits first started - mine are still in slimlines. Most of the old tin-box CD packages run the same risk of splitting from the inside out. Yeah, my Various Artists will only play the later half of the disk and the Vainquer is nearly unplayable. I had some luck bending it back in place and making it totally flat, then ripping it, but some tracks were completely hosed. CLASS ACTION SUIT! ;) Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
as i'm not the owner of any chain reaction tin case CDs i'm a bit out of the loop. what was it about the design of those cases that wreaked havoc upon the discs? On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wasn't this done deliberately by the CR/BC team? Some kind of brutal point-making about the superiority of vinyl? Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 April 2008 16:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; kent williams; list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]; list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD Indeed. I remember when the fracas over those splits first started - mine are still in slimlines. Most of the old tin-box CD packages run the same risk of splitting from the inside out. Yeah, my Various Artists will only play the later half of the disk and the Vainquer is nearly unplayable. I had some luck bending it back in place and making it totally flat, then ripping it, but some tracks were completely hosed. CLASS ACTION SUIT! ;) Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
The plastic of the disc will not expand and contract like the metal stub on which it rests in the case; over time, as it gets warm and expands, the discs crack from the center outward . jeff -- Original message -- From: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] as i'm not the owner of any chain reaction tin case CDs i'm a bit out of the loop. what was it about the design of those cases that wreaked havoc upon the discs?
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
yea right. as if i was supposed to believe that. pfff... On 4/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The plastic of the disc will not expand and contract like the metal stub on which it rests in the case; over time, as it gets warm and expands, the discs crack from the center outward . jeff -- Original message -- From: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] as i'm not the owner of any chain reaction tin case CDs i'm a bit out of the loop. what was it about the design of those cases that wreaked havoc upon the discs? -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
Not that it's either here nor there, but I don't think that at normal temps, the difference between the expansion rate of stamp metal and whatever plastic they make CDs from differs that much. I think it's as much the fact that a plastic CD case's spindle-holder is made of plastic that bows in when you push on the CD, then pops back out so that a little lip on each tine of the spindle-thingie keeps the CD in place. There is little or no outward force on the hole in the CD. The stamp metal cases don't have any give -- the metal flange that the hole in the CD fits over is a very tight fit, and the plastic of the CD is under tension. I suspect the CD gradually cracks over time to reduce the pressure, or if you drop the case, forces in the plane of the CD stress the CD until it cracks. Sorry, it's Friday, and I worked for a mechanical engineering firm for ten years, so I can blather on about mechanical design all day. Complaining about the crappiness of CD cases was a popular work time-waster. Though one engineer had a good point -- when you drop a CD case, the case often breaks but the CD does not. The thin, bendable parts of the CD case absorbs force and breaks rather than transmitting the force to the CD. It's the same reason the battery and front bezel of a lot of cell phones pop off if you drop the phone -- they channel a lot of the impact force into falling apart instead of imparting all sorts of torsion and shear to the display and circuit board inside. On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 3:26 PM, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yea right. as if i was supposed to believe that. pfff... On 4/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The plastic of the disc will not expand and contract like the metal stub on which it rests in the case; over time, as it gets warm and expands, the discs crack from the center outward . jeff -- Original message -- From: Frank Glazer [EMAIL PROTECTED] as i'm not the owner of any chain reaction tin case CDs i'm a bit out of the loop. what was it about the design of those cases that wreaked havoc upon the discs? -- --- Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.planerecordings.com New York, NY
Re: (313) Porter Ricks Biokinetics CD
That could well be the case, but I burned cdrs from my copies right after I got them and played those, especially when traveling. When I heard people had cracked discs, I checked my own and three of them were cracked. None of them were even opened more than a few times. Chain Reaction figured it out and moved to the uglier 'soft covers' eventually. And I can't find a few of the CDs I have sitting in stacks of slimlines. The notion of a CD banging around on bare metal as packaging always seemed just this side of the legendary Durutti Column LP that used sandpaper for the jacket. Interesting aesthetically, but a tad shy on the function meter (unless you hate Vini Reilly) jeff Not that it's either here nor there, but I don't think that at normal temps, the difference between the expansion rate of stamp metal and whatever plastic they make CDs from differs that much. I think it's as much the fact that a plastic CD case's spindle-holder is made of plastic that bows in when you push on the CD, then pops back out so that a little lip on each tine of the spindle-thingie keeps the CD in place. There is little or no outward force on the hole in the CD.
