Re: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
Okay, let's not be idealistic. Events of this size and scale are done for money. The logistics and scale are too crazy to justify doing for the love of music. If people want to do an event for the love of music, they find a loft, scrape some money together, and fly in a couple of talented DJ's whose music they believe in. Personally, I have grown to dislike festivals in general, they just do not have a vibe I can get into. I suppose it's okay to help artists get paid well, but at the same time, I tend to lose respect for artists who ONLY play festival size events. As far as this particular festival, the important question is, whether the commercial events have a positive impact on the more underground scene, with good events springing up around the large scale event. This has been the best aspect of DEMF in my view, to the extent that last year I didn't enter the main festival at all, and probably had the most enjoyable DEMF experience yet. ~David On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Arturo Lopez wrote: > I've always been of the opinion that there are two types of events in our > little corner of the music scene: > > The ones people throw to make money and the ones people throw for the sake > of everyone having a good time. > > One maybe charges enough money that your artists get paid and maybe > everyone breaks even. One tries to sell VIP bracelets. > > I hope it's the former type of event, but I suspect its the latter. > > -Arturo > > > > > > > > >
Re: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
I've always been of the opinion that there are two types of events in our little corner of the music scene: The ones people throw to make money and the ones people throw for the sake of everyone having a good time. One maybe charges enough money that your artists get paid and maybe everyone breaks even. One tries to sell VIP bracelets. I hope it's the former type of event, but I suspect its the latter. -Arturo
Re: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
Timing is everything, and a decade ago, things were a lot different... look, I've got a lot of people that I know that were not paid from working for her... but, I know that there's no way her event would be a success if it was the weekend following Movement... I also know Movement is not the only Electronic Music Festival happening in the city now, there's a total of 4 now, and Carol's will be 5, yes, the other festivals are smaller, but so what. A friend of mine in New Orleans just posted about how in New Orleans they have 10 jazz fests a year, and all of those fests help the economy... so umm... yeah... Carol's been the person managing all of the Sponsorships for the Detroit 300 Conservancy since 2007, and the whole mission of that place is to spur Detroit's Economy through events... I started working there in 2006, and I've literally seen downtown's Economy change through the Events I helped to Program & Book... truth be told, my love of Techno made it sometimes difficult to work in the same office as her, but over the years I've come to realize she's quite the powerhouse, and she's earned my respect. So, yeah, her thought that having 10 festivals a year will help Detroit's economy, well, it makes sense to me, and I think the naysayers will continue to be so... myself, though, I support it... we need Movement here, but we also need the SCP Backpack House Festival, and once FEMT is up and running everyone's gonna say that we need it too. Every bone in my body tells me that this is a good thing for the city, and that we'll all benefit from it... my gut instinct. Jodie Svagr 313-915-1164 uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com Events, Promotions, & Development On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:45 PM, Alexandres Lugo wrote: > I have a pretty good idea what's been happening downtown and what's not been > happening in the rest of the city having lived there most of my life. Chess > pieces are great, but there is a long way to go before positive progress is > achieved; regular neighborhoods need to start turning around. > > I honesty don't think that Detroit is not at the stage to support two large > techno festivals, especially since they are not together. I hope it can, but > I don't see it. > > If this new festival would have been scheduled, say the following weekend > after Movement, I could see some of the "unity" and community the article > alludes to. After parties and day raves could have been the glue and the two > fests the book ends. > > And no, I have no idea what Carol does for a living. What I do remember is > that a lot of people weren't paid when she was last at the helm and next > thing I heard she moved on and started ravestivals in other cities. Kudos to > her. > > If she's been sleeping on a bed made of money this whole time, why did it > take a decade for DEMF to come back? Just curious. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:21 PM, "U&I Design" >> wrote: >> >> I know there's a lot of out of towners that will pick one versus the >> other... but truthfully, I know a helluva lot of folks that will >> appreciate the fact that they can put travel options into their >> calendar. Not everyone in the world is available Memorial Day >> Weekend... we'll get more people coming here if they have two >> different months to choose from. I'm just saying this is the feedback >> that I've gotten from friends of mine overseas. >> >> And as for "where did all this money materialize from"... you must >> have no idea what Carol does for a living, or what has been happening >> in the city in the past 6 months... and no, I'm not talking about the >> bankruptcy... check out what's occurred with the Detroit 300 >> Conservancy and their Event Calendar, look at all of the changes to >> downtown, the Chess Boards with life size chess pieces people are >> playing on the sidewalk, all of the recent stores that have popped up, >> there's some really crazy things happening here... and there's plenty >> of money available if you know the right people, have a good idea with >> good planning behind it, and most importantly, a well connected team >> to implement it. >> >> Detroit's changing... and I 100% believe there's room for 2 major >> Electronic Music Festivals of this size here in our city. I can't >> wait for the conference, and I will be paying the money, it sure is >> cheaper than me traveling to Miami's WMC, and considering its in >> Detroit, I can guarantee the conference / technology part itself is >> gonna be way sweeter than WMC... I mean, seriously... why are people >> complaining about this idea? >> Jodie Svagr >> >> 313-915-1164 >> uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com >> Events, Promotions, & Development >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Denise Dalphond >> wrote: >>> The idea is interesting, but the reality is kind of strange. I suppose there >>> is room, ideologically and spatially, for ten festivals, but it's doubtful >>> that there will be enough people and money to fulfill exp
Re: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
I have a pretty good idea what's been happening downtown and what's not been happening in the rest of the city having lived there most of my life. Chess pieces are great, but there is a long way to go before positive progress is achieved; regular neighborhoods need to start turning around. I honesty don't think that Detroit is not at the stage to support two large techno festivals, especially since they are not together. I hope it can, but I don't see it. If this new festival would have been scheduled, say the following weekend after Movement, I could see some of the "unity" and community the article alludes to. After parties and day raves could have been the glue and the two fests the book ends. And no, I have no idea what Carol does for a living. What I do remember is that a lot of people weren't paid when she was last at the helm and next thing I heard she moved on and started ravestivals in other cities. Kudos to her. If she's been sleeping on a bed made of money this whole time, why did it take a decade for DEMF to come back? Just curious. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:21 PM, "U&I Design" > wrote: > > I know there's a lot of out of towners that will pick one versus the > other... but truthfully, I know a helluva lot of folks that will > appreciate the fact that they can put travel options into their > calendar. Not everyone in the world is available Memorial Day > Weekend... we'll get more people coming here if they have two > different months to choose from. I'm just saying this is the feedback > that I've gotten from friends of mine overseas. > > And as for "where did all this money materialize from"... you must > have no idea what Carol does for a living, or what has been happening > in the city in the past 6 months... and no, I'm not talking about the > bankruptcy... check out what's occurred with the Detroit 300 > Conservancy and their Event Calendar, look at all of the changes to > downtown, the Chess Boards with life size chess pieces people are > playing on the sidewalk, all of the recent stores that have popped up, > there's some really crazy things happening here... and there's plenty > of money available if you know the right people, have a good idea with > good planning behind it, and most importantly, a well connected team > to implement it. > > Detroit's changing... and I 100% believe there's room for 2 major > Electronic Music Festivals of this size here in our city. I can't > wait for the conference, and I will be paying the money, it sure is > cheaper than me traveling to Miami's WMC, and considering its in > Detroit, I can guarantee the conference / technology part itself is > gonna be way sweeter than WMC... I mean, seriously... why are people > complaining about this idea? > Jodie Svagr > > 313-915-1164 > uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com > Events, Promotions, & Development > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Denise Dalphond > wrote: >> The idea is interesting, but the reality is kind of strange. I suppose there >> is room, ideologically and spatially, for ten festivals, but it's doubtful >> that there will be enough people and money to fulfill expectations. >> >> The Real Detroit article is terrible. The writing is so bad (I'm a writer, >> that's why I'm focusing on it). And yeah, Rachel Skotarczyk seems to be >> Crazy for Carol. There's a weird, one-dimensional sense of history in the >> article. I take it personally cause I write about this stuff and it's so >> important to me. I try to not get so worked up, but geez, you guys. >> >> The talk of unity is an everyday theme around Detroit. Everyone wants it. >> Some make it happen. The best unity is the stuff that happens every day of >> the year in small ways. True support and camaraderie. It does happen. >> >> The tech part at Ford Field gets my nerdo vibes going, but no way I'm >> spending that kind of money for it. >> >> The thing that is worrisome is that Carol Marvin already damaged >> relationships with Derrick, Kevin, and Carl, and now she's dealing with Juan >> and Rik. It will be interesting to see what actually comes of it. I'm with >> Jwan, wait and see. >> >> If this thing really does happen, and Cybotron plays, you know I'll be >> there. (I only have to drive a short distance.) BUT YOU KNOW I'LL BE >> THERE! >> >> Denise >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM, kent williams >> wrote: >>> >>> I went to Detroit Taste Fest on the 4th of July weekend 2002, and saw >>> War, Joan Jett, and John Aquaviva. Top that, Carol Marvin. >>> >>> I am going to try hard to be around DEMF weekend, but I may not >>> actually go to the festival. It's tempting to go back again in July. >>> The weather in July is more to my liking anyway. >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alex Lugo wrote: And there is always this timeless gem: http://www2.metrotimes.com/music/story.asp?id=3296 On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:17 PM, Alex Lugo wrote:
Re: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
I know there's a lot of out of towners that will pick one versus the other... but truthfully, I know a helluva lot of folks that will appreciate the fact that they can put travel options into their calendar. Not everyone in the world is available Memorial Day Weekend... we'll get more people coming here if they have two different months to choose from. I'm just saying this is the feedback that I've gotten from friends of mine overseas. And as for "where did all this money materialize from"... you must have no idea what Carol does for a living, or what has been happening in the city in the past 6 months... and no, I'm not talking about the bankruptcy... check out what's occurred with the Detroit 300 Conservancy and their Event Calendar, look at all of the changes to downtown, the Chess Boards with life size chess pieces people are playing on the sidewalk, all of the recent stores that have popped up, there's some really crazy things happening here... and there's plenty of money available if you know the right people, have a good idea with good planning behind it, and most importantly, a well connected team to implement it. Detroit's changing... and I 100% believe there's room for 2 major Electronic Music Festivals of this size here in our city. I can't wait for the conference, and I will be paying the money, it sure is cheaper than me traveling to Miami's WMC, and considering its in Detroit, I can guarantee the conference / technology part itself is gonna be way sweeter than WMC... I mean, seriously... why are people complaining about this idea? Jodie Svagr 313-915-1164 uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com Events, Promotions, & Development On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Denise Dalphond wrote: > The idea is interesting, but the reality is kind of strange. I suppose there > is room, ideologically and spatially, for ten festivals, but it's doubtful > that there will be enough people and money to fulfill expectations. > > The Real Detroit article is terrible. The writing is so bad (I'm a writer, > that's why I'm focusing on it). And yeah, Rachel Skotarczyk seems to be > Crazy for Carol. There's a weird, one-dimensional sense of history in the > article. I take it personally cause I write about this stuff and it's so > important to me. I try to not get so worked up, but geez, you guys. > > The talk of unity is an everyday theme around Detroit. Everyone wants it. > Some make it happen. The best unity is the stuff that happens every day of > the year in small ways. True support and camaraderie. It does happen. > > The tech part at Ford Field gets my nerdo vibes going, but no way I'm > spending that kind of money for it. > > The thing that is worrisome is that Carol Marvin already damaged > relationships with Derrick, Kevin, and Carl, and now she's dealing with Juan > and Rik. It will be interesting to see what actually comes of it. I'm with > Jwan, wait and see. > > If this thing really does happen, and Cybotron plays, you know I'll be > there. (I only have to drive a short distance.) BUT YOU KNOW I'LL BE > THERE! > > Denise > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM, kent williams > wrote: >> >> I went to Detroit Taste Fest on the 4th of July weekend 2002, and saw >> War, Joan Jett, and John Aquaviva. Top that, Carol Marvin. >> >> I am going to try hard to be around DEMF weekend, but I may not >> actually go to the festival. It's tempting to go back again in July. >> The weather in July is more to my liking anyway. >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alex Lugo wrote: >> > And there is always this timeless gem: >> > http://www2.metrotimes.com/music/story.asp?id=3296 >> > >> > >> > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:17 PM, Alex Lugo >> > wrote: >> > While having two festivals will be great locally, it will be interesting >> > to >> > see how this pans out demographically with foreign visitors. There has >> > been >> > a slight resurgence of folks from abroad coming back to Movement. >> > >> > With two festivals to pick from most people from outside of the area >> > will >> > pick one or the other and the majority will not be able to do both. >> > Regardless of what Ms. Marvin tries to diplomatically brush over with >> > the >> > "there should be 10 techno festivals a year" line, this is a direct >> > competition with Movement, and not admitting admitting that is >> > interesting. >> > >> > I guess the lineups will be key. >> > >> > >> > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:15 PM, U&I Design >> > wrote: >> > There already seems to be some confusion about this on here. You guys >> > should find your facts from actual media outlets, not social facebook >> > or whatevers... >> > >> > There's a good article about it on Crains. >> > >> > >> > http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20131120/NEWS/131129990/campus-martius-will-turn-into-global-dance-party-for-electronic# >> > >> > Real Detroit has another article with some great quotes too. >> > >> > $300 is for the conference element at Ford Field. The free fest will
Re: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
The idea is interesting, but the reality is kind of strange. I suppose there is room, ideologically and spatially, for ten festivals, but it's doubtful that there will be enough people and money to fulfill expectations. The Real Detroit article is terrible. The writing is so bad (I'm a writer, that's why I'm focusing on it). And yeah, Rachel Skotarczyk seems to be Crazy for Carol. There's a weird, one-dimensional sense of history in the article. I take it personally cause I write about this stuff and it's so important to me. I try to not get so worked up, but geez, you guys. The talk of unity is an everyday theme around Detroit. Everyone wants it. Some make it happen. The best unity is the stuff that happens every day of the year in small ways. True support and camaraderie. It does happen. The tech part at Ford Field gets my nerdo vibes going, but no way I'm spending that kind of money for it. The thing that is worrisome is that Carol Marvin already damaged relationships with Derrick, Kevin, and Carl, and now she's dealing with Juan and Rik. It will be interesting to see what actually comes of it. I'm with Jwan, wait and see. If this thing really does happen, and Cybotron plays, you know I'll be there. (I only have to drive a short distance.) BUT YOU KNOW I'LL BE THERE! Denise On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 8:52 PM, kent williams wrote: > I went to Detroit Taste Fest on the 4th of July weekend 2002, and saw > War, Joan Jett, and John Aquaviva. Top that, Carol Marvin. > > I am going to try hard to be around DEMF weekend, but I may not > actually go to the festival. It's tempting to go back again in July. > The weather in July is more to my liking anyway. > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alex Lugo wrote: > > And there is always this timeless gem: > > http://www2.metrotimes.com/music/story.asp?id=3296 > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:17 PM, Alex Lugo > > wrote: > > While having two festivals will be great locally, it will be interesting > to > > see how this pans out demographically with foreign visitors. There has > been > > a slight resurgence of folks from abroad coming back to Movement. > > > > With two festivals to pick from most people from outside of the area will > > pick one or the other and the majority will not be able to do both. > > Regardless of what Ms. Marvin tries to diplomatically brush over with the > > "there should be 10 techno festivals a year" line, this is a direct > > competition with Movement, and not admitting admitting that is > interesting. > > > > I guess the lineups will be key. > > > > > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:15 PM, U&I Design > > wrote: > > There already seems to be some confusion about this on here. You guys > > should find your facts from actual media outlets, not social facebook > > or whatevers... > > > > There's a good article about it on Crains. > > > > > http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20131120/NEWS/131129990/campus-martius-will-turn-into-global-dance-party-for-electronic# > > > > Real Detroit has another article with some great quotes too. > > > > $300 is for the conference element at Ford Field. The free fest will > > be surrounding Campus Martius Park with 5 stages. > > > > I've heard the hullaballoo about Carol for years, and then had the > > pleasure to work with her at Campus Martius for many years there > > after. She has her quirks, and I know a lot of people who've had > > troubles with her, I myself have had a few worrisome moments, but > > she's overall a solid person, and seeing that she's gonna do this, > > well, it makes me think there's some real force behind it. She's had > > to have put some serious time into the planning of this thing. We'll > > see how it pans out, but I think the interview she did with Real > > Detroit is pretty solid, and she's right... Detroit has room for 10 > > Techno festivals a year, with this new DEMF festival / FEMT > > conference, we'll be half way there... > > > > > > On 11/20/13, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > >> Carol Marvin. That is all. She once chastised me in a public forum for > >> saying DEMF and not saying Movement. I've moved on. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Arturo Lopez > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Why the hell will anyone want to pay $250 + for this? $1200 for VIP? > The > >>> fuck? > >>> > >>> Am I missing something or is this as stupid as it sounds on first look? > >>> > >>> -Arturo > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Chris Czub > >>> wrote: > >>> > put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main event > at > ford field is $250: > > > > > http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb > > who knows what the "free" event will be > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen > wrote: > > > Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's se
Re: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
I went to Detroit Taste Fest on the 4th of July weekend 2002, and saw War, Joan Jett, and John Aquaviva. Top that, Carol Marvin. I am going to try hard to be around DEMF weekend, but I may not actually go to the festival. It's tempting to go back again in July. The weather in July is more to my liking anyway. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:20 PM, Alex Lugo wrote: > And there is always this timeless gem: > http://www2.metrotimes.com/music/story.asp?id=3296 > > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:17 PM, Alex Lugo > wrote: > While having two festivals will be great locally, it will be interesting to > see how this pans out demographically with foreign visitors. There has been > a slight resurgence of folks from abroad coming back to Movement. > > With two festivals to pick from most people from outside of the area will > pick one or the other and the majority will not be able to do both. > Regardless of what Ms. Marvin tries to diplomatically brush over with the > "there should be 10 techno festivals a year" line, this is a direct > competition with Movement, and not admitting admitting that is interesting. > > I guess the lineups will be key. > > > On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:15 PM, U&I Design > wrote: > There already seems to be some confusion about this on here. You guys > should find your facts from actual media outlets, not social facebook > or whatevers... > > There's a good article about it on Crains. > > http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20131120/NEWS/131129990/campus-martius-will-turn-into-global-dance-party-for-electronic# > > Real Detroit has another article with some great quotes too. > > $300 is for the conference element at Ford Field. The free fest will > be surrounding Campus Martius Park with 5 stages. > > I've heard the hullaballoo about Carol for years, and then had the > pleasure to work with her at Campus Martius for many years there > after. She has her quirks, and I know a lot of people who've had > troubles with her, I myself have had a few worrisome moments, but > she's overall a solid person, and seeing that she's gonna do this, > well, it makes me think there's some real force behind it. She's had > to have put some serious time into the planning of this thing. We'll > see how it pans out, but I think the interview she did with Real > Detroit is pretty solid, and she's right... Detroit has room for 10 > Techno festivals a year, with this new DEMF festival / FEMT > conference, we'll be half way there... > > > On 11/20/13, Kevin Kennedy wrote: >> Carol Marvin. That is all. She once chastised me in a public forum for >> saying DEMF and not saying Movement. I've moved on. >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Arturo Lopez >> wrote: >> >>> Why the hell will anyone want to pay $250 + for this? $1200 for VIP? The >>> fuck? >>> >>> Am I missing something or is this as stupid as it sounds on first look? >>> >>> -Arturo >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Chris Czub >>> wrote: >>> put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main event at ford field is $250: http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb who knows what the "free" event will be On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen wrote: > Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up at > both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some > notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of logistics, > which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to > plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a > moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the > limit on any last minute preparations. > > While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, > I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks of > each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them > attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer > booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll just > wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez > > wrote: > > > > http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 > > > > What say you, 313 listers? > > > > -Arturo > > > > > > > > -- > Technoir Audio > http://www.technoiraudio.com > "dealing with your imperfect world" > >>> >> >> >> -- >> FBK >> >> Absoloop/Orange 82 >> > > > -- > Jodie Svagr > > 313-915-1164 > uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com > Events, Promotions, & Development > > > > Another question none of the articles have answered at this point is what > the free area in Campus Martius will h
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And there is always this timeless gem: http://www2.metrotimes.com/music/story.asp?id=3296 On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 6:17 PM, Alex Lugo wrote: While having two festivals will be great locally, it will be interesting to see how this pans out demographically with foreign visitors. There has been a slight resurgence of folks from abroad coming back to Movement. With two festivals to pick from most people from outside of the area will pick one or the other and the majority will not be able to do both. Regardless of what Ms. Marvin tries to diplomatically brush over with the "there should be 10 techno festivals a year" line, this is a direct competition with Movement, and not admitting admitting that is interesting. I guess the lineups will be key. On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:15 PM, U&I Design wrote: There already seems to be some confusion about this on here. You guys should find your facts from actual media outlets, not social facebook or whatevers... There's a good article about it on Crains. http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20131120/NEWS/131129990/campus-martius-will-turn-into-global-dance-party-for-electronic# Real Detroit has another article with some great quotes too. $300 is for the conference element at Ford Field. The free fest will be surrounding Campus Martius Park with 5 stages. I've heard the hullaballoo about Carol for years, and then had the pleasure to work with her at Campus Martius for many years there after. She has her quirks, and I know a lot of people who've had troubles with her, I myself have had a few worrisome moments, but she's overall a solid person, and seeing that she's gonna do this, well, it makes me think there's some real force behind it. She's had to have put some serious time into the planning of this thing. We'll see how it pans out, but I think the interview she did with Real Detroit is pretty solid, and she's right... Detroit has room for 10 Techno festivals a year, with this new DEMF festival / FEMT conference, we'll be half way there... On 11/20/13, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > Carol Marvin. That is all. She once chastised me in a public forum for > saying DEMF and not saying Movement. I've moved on. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Arturo Lopez > wrote: > >> Why the hell will anyone want to pay $250 + for this? $1200 for VIP? The >> fuck? >> >> Am I missing something or is this as stupid as it sounds on first look? >> >> -Arturo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Chris Czub >> wrote: >> >>> put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main event >>> at >>> ford field is $250: >>> >>> >>> http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb >>> >>> who knows what the "free" event will be >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen >>> wrote: >>> Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up at both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of logistics, which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the limit on any last minute preparations. While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks of each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll just wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez wrote: > http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 > > What say you, 313 listers? > > -Arturo > > -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com "dealing with your imperfect world" >>> >>> >> > > > -- > FBK > > Absoloop/Orange 82 > -- Jodie Svagr 313-915-1164 uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com Events, Promotions, & Development Another question none of the articles have answered at this point is what the free area in Campus Martius will have musically vs. the $300 for Ford Field. This seems to be using the same paradigm as Ultra/WMC used for a bit, albeit not with two large outdoor venues. Also curious as to where all of this money materialized from. Time will tell. Rachel Skotarczyk (Real Detroit) seems to be truly infatuated with Ms. Marvin. There is a lot of talk in the article of unity, but honestly, not seeing how that can be true regarding these two festivals.
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While having two festivals will be great locally, it will be interesting to see how this pans out demographically with foreign visitors. There has been a slight resurgence of folks from abroad coming back to Movement. With two festivals to pick from most people from outside of the area will pick one or the other and the majority will not be able to do both. Regardless of what Ms. Marvin tries to diplomatically brush over with the "there should be 10 techno festivals a year" line, this is a direct competition with Movement, and not admitting admitting that is interesting. I guess the lineups will be key. On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 5:15 PM, U&I Design wrote: There already seems to be some confusion about this on here. You guys should find your facts from actual media outlets, not social facebook or whatevers... There's a good article about it on Crains. http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20131120/NEWS/131129990/campus-martius-will-turn-into-global-dance-party-for-electronic# Real Detroit has another article with some great quotes too. $300 is for the conference element at Ford Field. The free fest will be surrounding Campus Martius Park with 5 stages. I've heard the hullaballoo about Carol for years, and then had the pleasure to work with her at Campus Martius for many years there after. She has her quirks, and I know a lot of people who've had troubles with her, I myself have had a few worrisome moments, but she's overall a solid person, and seeing that she's gonna do this, well, it makes me think there's some real force behind it. She's had to have put some serious time into the planning of this thing. We'll see how it pans out, but I think the interview she did with Real Detroit is pretty solid, and she's right... Detroit has room for 10 Techno festivals a year, with this new DEMF festival / FEMT conference, we'll be half way there... On 11/20/13, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > Carol Marvin. That is all. She once chastised me in a public forum for > saying DEMF and not saying Movement. I've moved on. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Arturo Lopez > wrote: > >> Why the hell will anyone want to pay $250 + for this? $1200 for VIP? The >> fuck? >> >> Am I missing something or is this as stupid as it sounds on first look? >> >> -Arturo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Chris Czub >> wrote: >> >>> put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main event >>> at >>> ford field is $250: >>> >>> >>> http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb >>> >>> who knows what the "free" event will be >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen >>> wrote: >>> Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up at both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of logistics, which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the limit on any last minute preparations. While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks of each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll just wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez wrote: > http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 > > What say you, 313 listers? > > -Arturo > > -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com "dealing with your imperfect world" >>> >>> >> > > > -- > FBK > > Absoloop/Orange 82 > -- Jodie Svagr 313-915-1164 uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com Events, Promotions, & Development Another question none of the articles have answered at this point is what the free area in Campus Martius will have musically vs. the $300 for Ford Field. This seems to be using the same paradigm as Ultra/WMC used for a bit, albeit not with two large outdoor venues. Also curious as to where all of this money materialized from. Time will tell. Rachel Skotarczyk (Real Detroit) seems to be truly infatuated with Ms. Marvin. There is a lot of talk in the article of unity, but honestly, not seeing how that can be true regarding these two festivals.
Re: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
There already seems to be some confusion about this on here. You guys should find your facts from actual media outlets, not social facebook or whatevers... There's a good article about it on Crains. http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20131120/NEWS/131129990/campus-martius-will-turn-into-global-dance-party-for-electronic# Real Detroit has another article with some great quotes too. $300 is for the conference element at Ford Field. The free fest will be surrounding Campus Martius Park with 5 stages. I've heard the hullaballoo about Carol for years, and then had the pleasure to work with her at Campus Martius for many years there after. She has her quirks, and I know a lot of people who've had troubles with her, I myself have had a few worrisome moments, but she's overall a solid person, and seeing that she's gonna do this, well, it makes me think there's some real force behind it. She's had to have put some serious time into the planning of this thing. We'll see how it pans out, but I think the interview she did with Real Detroit is pretty solid, and she's right... Detroit has room for 10 Techno festivals a year, with this new DEMF festival / FEMT conference, we'll be half way there... On 11/20/13, Kevin Kennedy wrote: > Carol Marvin. That is all. She once chastised me in a public forum for > saying DEMF and not saying Movement. I've moved on. > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Arturo Lopez > wrote: > >> Why the hell will anyone want to pay $250 + for this? $1200 for VIP? The >> fuck? >> >> Am I missing something or is this as stupid as it sounds on first look? >> >> -Arturo >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Chris Czub >> wrote: >> >>> put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main event >>> at >>> ford field is $250: >>> >>> >>> http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb >>> >>> who knows what the "free" event will be >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen >>> wrote: >>> Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up at both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of logistics, which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the limit on any last minute preparations. While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks of each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll just wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez wrote: > http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 > > What say you, 313 listers? > > -Arturo > > -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com "dealing with your imperfect world" >>> >>> >> > > > -- > FBK > > Absoloop/Orange 82 > -- Jodie Svagr 313-915-1164 uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com Events, Promotions, & Development
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Carol Marvin. That is all. She once chastised me in a public forum for saying DEMF and not saying Movement. I've moved on. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 2:02 PM, Arturo Lopez wrote: > Why the hell will anyone want to pay $250 + for this? $1200 for VIP? The > fuck? > > Am I missing something or is this as stupid as it sounds on first look? > > -Arturo > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Chris Czub wrote: > >> put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main event at >> ford field is $250: >> >> >> http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb >> >> who knows what the "free" event will be >> >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen wrote: >> >>> Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up at >>> both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some >>> notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of logistics, >>> which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to >>> plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a >>> moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the >>> limit on any last minute preparations. >>> >>> While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, >>> I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks of >>> each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them >>> attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer >>> booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll just >>> wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez >>> wrote: >>> > >>> http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 >>> > >>> > What say you, 313 listers? >>> > >>> > -Arturo >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Technoir Audio >>> http://www.technoiraudio.com >>> "dealing with your imperfect world" >>> >> >> > -- FBK Absoloop/Orange 82
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Why the hell will anyone want to pay $250 + for this? $1200 for VIP? The fuck? Am I missing something or is this as stupid as it sounds on first look? -Arturo On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Chris Czub wrote: > put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main event at > ford field is $250: > > > http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb > > who knows what the "free" event will be > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen wrote: > >> Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up at >> both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some >> notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of logistics, >> which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to >> plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a >> moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the >> limit on any last minute preparations. >> >> While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, >> I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks of >> each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them >> attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer >> booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll just >> wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. >> >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez >> wrote: >> > >> http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 >> > >> > What say you, 313 listers? >> > >> > -Arturo >> > >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Technoir Audio >> http://www.technoiraudio.com >> "dealing with your imperfect world" >> > >
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put your pants back on, folks... i got excited too, but the main event at ford field is $250: http://www.detroitlions.com/schedule-and-events/event/federation-electronic-music-technology/1ed02f04-6055-4c8f-b0d9-76ed00e6a1eb who knows what the "free" event will be On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:54 PM, jwan allen wrote: > Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up at > both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some > notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of logistics, > which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to > plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a > moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the > limit on any last minute preparations. > > While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, > I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks of > each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them > attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer > booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll just > wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez > wrote: > > > http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 > > > > What say you, 313 listers? > > > > -Arturo > > > > > > > > -- > Technoir Audio > http://www.technoiraudio.com > "dealing with your imperfect world" >
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Personally, I'm in a wait and see mode, let's see what the line-up at both venues will be and go from there. I'm hoping they've taken some notes from what paxahau has done over the years in terms of logistics, which has made it easier for those coming from a great distance to plan accordingly. We've been spoiled, we can drive up to the D at a moments notice being only a 4.5 hr drive away. Which I feel is the limit on any last minute preparations. While I believe competition is a great thing at the end of the day, I'm just curious how 3 major music festivals occurring within weeks of each other are going to handle artists bookings. Will any of them attempt to coerce an artist into an "exclusivity" spring/summer booking, etc. Rather than continue with endless speculation, I'll just wait and see and keep an eye on my shorecrest reservations. On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 12:37 PM, Arturo Lopez wrote: > http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 > > What say you, 313 listers? > > -Arturo > > -- Technoir Audio http://www.technoiraudio.com "dealing with your imperfect world"
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Gut reaction—UGH! Not because of the event, but who’s in charge. -- ® From: Arturo Lopez Arturo Lopez Reply: Arturo Lopez arturo.m.lo...@gmail.com Date: November 20, 2013 at 12:37:06 PM To: Three-One-Three 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th? http://www.realdetroitweekly.com/detroit/united-we-dance/Content?oid=1598294 What say you, 313 listers? -Arturo
(313) Return to a free DEMF on July 4th?
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